[RO!] The most profitable CRAP train yet - using ALL of our CARS! [RAILROADS Online!]

[@chriscapezza3264]

I can't find data specifically pertaining to the Montezuma, but D&RG bought the 223 in 1881 for $11,553.00

[@Hyce777]

oh wow, thanks!

[@maxwilson7001]

Is that inflation adjusted or not?

[@charleshax]

@@maxwilson7001I’m guessing not

[@evmanbutts]

@@maxwilson7001 $11,553 in 1881 is worth $337,540.15 today

[@retr0bits545]

Heck, my 41 Cadillac was advertised for just $1,345 when new.

[@Spanderson99]

The CRAP does PSR! What could possibly go wrong? Take the whole yard! Edit: I’m loving how every time Hyce slams on the independent to load more beams, the engine stops, and gets bucked forward a couple times by the slack. Good physics simulation!

[@CMDRSweeper]

Well we all know that the modern day CRAP would run NTC rather than PTC... (Negative Train Control)

[@teamrose2134]

Talk about whiplash

[@Railfan105.]

Ah yes, a great way to start the day: watching hyce and kan probably mess up a valuable manifest train. This will be fun.

[@masonkpiano]

Fun fact for yah: It takes 16 log cars to fill the sawmill pond It takes 13 cordwood cars to fill the smelter It takes 16 stake cars (beams and lumber) to fill the iron mine. If you have 16 stake cars, you’ll have a solid amount for each industry’s ratio in the game. So you can use this for when you build new trains :)

[@eddielowe8189]

I think this game would be better if it was split in to eras, with tasks to complete before unlocking the next. kind of following the history of how the railroad would have developed. Grind hard guys and get them new toys.

[@KarolOfGutovo]

Final era would have all your engines double in price, half in performance, drain money for no reason from your account and close down almost all industries.

[@LunaRayToo]

Sounds like expansion packs!

[@arthurkinch1804]

Montazooma: engine is working at 110% sir. Hyce: then give me 115%.

[@Agent_adam99]

Some locomotives, mostly in the UK, even used copper for their fireboxes to improve heat transfer. ~35 minutes: 604,634 pound train.

[@thundercreekcustoms]

I've had plenty of similar experiences to that random stringline at 5:20. Physics doesn't like heavy trains over switches for some reason, especially if brakes are on anywhere behind the engine.

[@TheYvian]

All i took away from this episode is that if i look away from a fire, it won't heat me. That totally was what you guys said, right? 😆

[@Lectrikfro]

Schrodinger's Fire... It is simultaneously heating you and not heating you until you look at it

[@Hyce777]

Pretty much, that's how it works. :P

[@johndeere7245]

@@Hyce777 Anyone who has lived in a drafty old house with fireplaces or those old ventless gas heaters will attest to the fact that it is possible to both roast and freeze at the same time.

[@BadgersBadgersBAdger575]

Hyce: *talking about how bad the montezooma brakes are* Also Hyce: *rapidly switching the brakes on and off*

[@TrainsAreReallyCool]

Monte"zoom"a is going to need a rest after this episode! I suggest you guys get the Glenbrook or the Cookie for the flat logging runs, and eventually the big articulated boi for the ridiculous iron mine line through KanHyce Canyon.

[@blacksmeim8791]

The Articulated Loco will be sick!

[@robertbalazslorincz8218]

Save up for the Mosca or go for Class 48? Actually save up for the Mosca it's not a lot more expensive than the Class 48 is "Anything can pull six million pounds on flat ground" If it can start it, that is. Okay that layout is not the smartest because it lacks a track that goes from the logging camp directly into the sawmill logging area which would've made this easier. Man, I'll be telling my physics teacher I watch gameplay of a train game and half the video is about PHYSICS

[@christheviolaplayer8250]

So the Montezuma was built in 1871 and scrapped in 1888. The Stroudley A1 terriers were built in 1872 (to 1880) and there are still 10 of those in preservation of the 50 that were built. One of which, Fenchurch, is currently undergoing an overhaul at the Bluebell railway for it's 150th 'birthday', which was september 1872. The wiki for the A1s has a list of preserved locos and when their boiler tickets next expire. The A1s have a tractive effort of 7650lbf, and the A1Xs have a tractive effort of 10,695lbf. granted they are standard gauge, but i thought it was interesing how they were built at roughly the same time as the Montezuma Edit: I named my class 48 the 'A1' and my Glenbrook 'Stroudley'

[@neonsamurai1348]

Fun thing is with the development of steam engines, is some of the science behind them goes back to Greek/roman times, such as with the Aeolipile in 100CE which was a rudimentary steam turbine, which was the first steam engine (though it really could not power much). As for unloading, it is harder to unload when moving as the zone to trigger unloading is really small and super easy to miss. Then you often cancel it because it doesn't start right away too 😛

[@VestedUTuber]

They had the basics down back then, anyway. Unfortunately they didn't have the metallurgy to take advantage of those basics and thus couldn't really take advantage of it. The most they'd be able to do with bronze is small benchtop tools had they actually adopted steam tech, steel was needed for anything bigger than that. But who knows, maybe they would have discovered steel a lot earlier if they had gone down that route?

[@RoTi1224]

After one more train like this you should be able to afford the Climax which might be able to tackle the steep grade up to the mine and pull a good amount of cars. It has low top-speed so it could stay at the helper station at the base of the Iron Mine while the Montezuma can ferry cars to/from the helper station.

[@czechgop7631]

14:52 Campfire: **looking at you agressively** You: Smiling, because it's warm and cosy

[@MightyFineMan]

At 14:30 that was a cool bit of information to learn about frost existing at above freezing ambient temperatures. I appreciate the thermodynamics information

[@Ronald.Golleher]

38:20 every time you mentioned it before, I always thought it was "rot" steel. Now with your context, understand it's "wrought" steel. Makes so much more sense!

[@Hyce777]

Yeah, wrought is the correct term. Glad it got cleared up!

[@BigRigginRoger]

at 21:45 when u mentioned railroads extended, im using it and it is a great tool to use, to b able to see your layout and all, since the game doesnt have an interactive type of map, i use railroads extended to help plan and layout my tracks and make sure everything lines up just right

[@Kris-hj2ej]

This is a great series. Keep it up! I even enjoy the thermodynamics conversations

[@maxwilson7001]

I actually especially enjoy the thermodynamic conversations. Keep em coming!

[@xxcolby270xx6]

One thing I definitely love about RO is making long trains of like 20-30 cars it’s so satisfying

[@DNFplays]

Thats what i like too, the longer the train the better

[@xxcolby270xx6]

@@DNFplays I had built a yard on my old save and I had 65 hoppers I would take prolly 40-50 with my to iron mine and coal mine I bought 2 class 70s and made a double header that would take the hoppers up the mountain lol

[@brianentwistle145]

This series is awesome. I look forward to them during the week. Hyce and Kan definately have a synergy. I think the coolest thing about any of Hyce's videos over the last few months is how much faster he has to scroll the ES&D Train Crews names at the end since the list gets longer. Congrats and keep up the good work.

[@Dinkleberg96]

YAY! Another RO! vid! I really love the series with kAN on the CRAP 🤣🤣u guys complete each other so well

[@gamingwithsam748]

technically copper is better at transferring heat internally but aluminum is better at radiating heat away which is why really high end performance heat sinks will use copper for the contact plate and aluminum for the actual heatsink part.

[@silmarian]

"railroad violence" PINKERTON has entered the chat

[@trynnallen]

Did someone call for the National Guard?

[@Cheesius]

kAN: "It's literally a nuclear reactor, except made of steam." Nuclear reactors function by using the heat from the nuclear fission for heating water to operate steam turbines, so he's not far off.

[@themidnightbanshee5927]

Well in Fukushima Japans case the problem was the water or a tsunami that hit the power plant, bursting the bulkheads to the emergency generator room and it caused a minor radiation leak in comparison to Chernobyl most of the damage was done by the tsunami. The worst part is multiple safety companies warned the power plant about insufficient safety measures multiple times and they still did nothing about it Search up Kyle hill fukushima for more details

[@Lectrikfro]

I love Kyle's entire Half-life Histories series.

[@Ronald.Golleher]

​@@Lectrikfro same here. I have several I need to catch up on, but really great history.

[@Hyce777]

Kyle Hill is an inspiration of mine. Those videos are great.

[@mattomon1045]

Cooling a Boiler, When We did weekend runs , Jack Cambel had the crue dump the fire on 346 Saturday night and cap the stack over night and on sunday moring 346 did have 100psi bolier pressure .the reason He did this was no need to tend a fire all night..

[@nielsleenknegt5839]

I remember from my classes: The amount of energy that is needed to warm up 1kg of water by 1°C is 4184 joules. We were thought that that was one of (if not) the highest of all stuff. Basically for all materials they said if you pick a constant set weight and constant set temprature difference, you will need to spend the most energy on heating the water. Same goes for cooling down. So you might need a lot of energy to warm up the water in the engine, but once it is on that temprature, and the source of energy stops giving said energy, the water wil also take very long to cool down. (Also things like temprature difference between the water and its invirement and the spefifications and materials of insulation, etc are factors.)

[@Foxymorris9236]

Once she is fully loaded it's time to turn it up and hear the power of the engine

[@TarisSinclair]

05:30 in and I'm already keeping a peecup score.

[@LunaRayToo]

I use Railroads Online Extended to simulate a brakeman.... saves me time from running around. its like having a second player when you can only have one player..... So for you two it would be like adding a third player to help you....

[@Hyce777]

We really should get it at some point.

[@Ronald.Golleher]

@@Hyce777 it's turning into your Derail Valley mod updates all over again!

[@ZergSmasher]

As someone who, like you guys, studied mechanical engineering in college, I'm enjoying the science talk. Please keep it coming!

[@maxwilson7001]

I second this. I did not study mechanical engineering in college but I certainly enjoy the discourse

[@lordsrednuas]

My playthrough with a friend we've been limiting ourselves to buying locomotives in order of their production year. It's been an interesting challenge, particularly on the braking side. The Mosca has great moving power... pretty sure the brakes just rub cheese on the rails, which at least gives whomever is running brakeman for the trip something to do.

[@RC-bm9so]

For anyone wondering why Hyce was saying steam engines are so efficient and the Chernobyl joke: Nuclear Reactors are just spicy steam engines. They literally just heat up radioactive material with and the water acts as the coolant, and it will turn to steam, providing the power. Steam engines are so efficient, we literally use them to make spicy power plants. Hydration is important kids.

[@texasred8272]

Hyce. Is. Hella. Wholesome. Train enthusiast.

[@Lex_Illovici]

Welcome back to the "beat the shit out of Montezuma" show: where today GUESS WHAT! We're beating the shit out of Montezuma!

[@Dan_Gyros]

I loved my thermodynamics class. So many interesting things that I had never thought about before. Lovin the series, keep up the good work!

[@ZanderMan14]

Hey Hyce, when you were talking about how the montezuma used to run on what is now standard gauge lines that big coal trains run on, does that happen to include the BNSF lines that run through Castle Rock? Because I see big coal train run on those lines all time, and I know that the D&RG used to run through Castle Rock because they have a museum in downtown that's an 1875 D&RG depot. It would be really cool if those lines used to be D&RG narrow gauge.

[@Hyce777]

Should be the UP alignment, rather than the BNSF one, but yes, it would've run through that line.

[@Ronald.Golleher]

@@Hyce777 they went all the way from Denver to Wallenberg on 3 ft? That's quite a run for little engines

[@ELOfanatic]

Love the "Scotty" reference!

[@TheWiseGuyzz]

Absolutely adoring this series. So so so good!! Thanks Hyce and Kan!!

[@N00N01]

I nickname it the logger, since its the whole trough process from the lumbercamp, to the sawmill and beyond to the freight depot

[@paveloleynikov4715]

No brakes? Way more weight that poor loco was physically capable of pulling? We really need hard rock version of classical O'Donnel Runaway theme here.

[@LexieAssassin]

Interesting how you're alignment is to mine... In my 1st playthrough, I had a flat run to the logging camp that ended in a 2% grade wooden bridge. In my current playthrough, I originally had a 1% grade from the logging camp all the way down to the lumber mill, but I neglected to save and the game crashed. So, now my route isn't as perfect and reaches the ground just before the mill. My current route to the smelter I'm attempting is a L O N G 0.5% grade loop. So far I've gone 2.5 times around the smelter and am hoping to link up at the end of the next time around. I also chose to skip buying the 'Zooma and went for the 0-6-0 tank engine. (For my railroad, I decided to number it 0601 as it's an 0-6-0 and it's the 1st one for the railroad.)

[@matthewcox7985]

"Lots of railroads beat the heck out of their engines"... Maybe that story should be about The Little Engine That Did?

[@AtkataffTheAlpha]

Hyce: "I can't see the end of my train" kAN: "perfect!" Lol

[@SilentMustang]

My God if we had irl sounds in this game the Montezuma would be screaming just trying to move

[@TransTaey]

That's part of the excitement.

[@errolbuggufin]

other railroads: *signals coupling with hands* Central Rio & Pacific: d u n k

[@deerslayinredneck1003]

Me over here as a hvac tech understanding all the pt equation and charts along with electrical

[@danielgamboa1200]

This just made morning a lot better :)

[@jeffreyblack666]

Aluminium is used as a heat sink because it is cheap, light weight, and has a high thermally conductivity (and it typically wont cause corrosion of other components). But for really good heat sinks, you want them made of copper due to the higher thermal conductivity, or if you have no limit in terms of resources, use diamond. Heat capacity isn't a big factor because the idea is to transfer the heat away. However this only works if you are going to cool something which is above ambient. If you are trying to cool something that is below ambient temperature, then you need something even colder with a large heat capacity, preferably something which has to undergo a phase change, like solid water. But in general, if you care about making sure it stays cool while operating, especially if it may have spikes in heat output while operating, a large thermal mass heat sink can be good as it can absorb heat directly rather than needing to transfer it away. However if you want it to cool really quickly after you stop operating, then you want a low thermal mass so it wont retain heat which needs to escape. This is also represented with some nuclear reactor designs, where with some designs there is so much water there, the thermal mass of the water will prevent a meltdown if the reactor is shut down (as much as possible) and any other cooling systems were shut down

[@Hyce777]

Cheers Jeffrey! Makes a lot of sense, much moreso than us trying to remember thermodynamics while on camera. lol!

[@taylorpolk7813]

Ah remembering stuff you learned 5 years ago. Sounds like studying for the PE Exam. 14:08

[@Hyce777]

too real, lol! I finally got around to taking the FE exam about a year ago... that was painful.

[@derLeon16]

earlier it was signaling how fast you go with flag signs. when the radio was aviable, the lokomotive operator decided how fast it goes and when to brake. YES, THEY GUESS THE DISTANCE! "200 meter, 180 meter, ...." you have to be pretty talented. i tried and learned i am shit at guessing distances, got a different workplace

[@Midland1072Productions]

Its always nice to have an RO video from kAN and Hyce to pass the time while working :)

[@Pyrotrainthing]

Another good reason you should get RRO Extended is because it has a plugin you can download that can autosave.

[@DrewMarold]

I don't know why, but I find this series of you guys playing a game I don't play and am not likely to play, oddly compelling. I've even watched a couple of the episodes from both perspectives. I'm rooting for the success of C.R.A.P. and look forward to the next installment.

[@michaeladkins71]

Well it seems that the next video will have to feature the additions from the new update! Btw, telegraph office is just a godsend, being able to just teleport around is so much better than running. Plus They have a new diamond piece, so there's that too lol.

[@Bendigo1]

The losing speed when losing weight does sort of make sense because the train is losing mass this losing inertia and momentum. If you think of a ping pong ball full of water being thrown it would have a lot more inertia and so would fly a farther distance than an empty one. You are basically draining the water out while it is in flight. The reason it doesn't make sense is that when unloading the freight you are also reducing rolling friction so it would seem like it would roll easier. The game just bases more of the physics on inertia rather than friction.

[@kevino6618]

26,000 lbs on each car x 22 cars = 572,000 lbs. Poor Montezooma!!!

[@BentendoGameBoy]

One thing that would be fun is to come up with funny names/acronyms for the industries and putt it on the "industry owed" rolling stock

[@huntermccornack5162]

Lets get this man to 100k

[@leto1596]

OK you HAVE to name the Class 48 "Big Betsy" if you do buy one, that's too perfect

[@Geschrotteten]

gonna buy this game soon i cant resist anymore xD keep it going Hyce :3

[@TrainBandit]

What is a good kind of computer for this game

[@Geschrotteten]

@@TrainBandit i got like 16 gb ram and an intel i5 CPU dont even know whats my graphics card ^^ i gues every new standard pc or laptop should be able if u adjust graphics^^ im no expert:P

[@TrainBandit]

@@Geschrotteten I am no expert either, thanks for the help you enjoy playing Railroads Online when you get it. Merry Christmas

[@chaos6313]

i find it interesting how the cars in game store momentum if you take all them cars go full speed then come to a complete stop when you take off the brake the stored momentum will move the whole train its why when unloading the train was speeding up

[@TransTaey]

Think it's something to do with Unreal Engine; a similar thing happens with the locomotives and cars, because they'll sometimes store a 0 momentum and can't be moved at low reg/reverser.

[@aparrotformrpoirot8906]

us we have some guy who sits in a shack all day throwing switches. uk a signalman. top content keep up the good work

[@DanSHJ45]

Funny you mentioned the C&S reputation for working their engines into the ground. Today at the SMART-TD picket near the old Rice Yard roundhouse I met a guy who started in the C&S days. Still on the call board today. How cool is that??!?

[@Hyce777]

Oh wow, that's amazing!

[@Commando_history]

I have the 0-6-0 loco, and I highly recommend it 👌

[@Johndoe-jd]

If you need to add in an edited ad break use something along these line. “This episode is brought to you by Midland. Where if you don’t have a membership yet, just tune in and wait.”

[@chaos6313]

well the flat cars empty are around 8-9000 pounds thats about 160,000-180,000 pounds of empty weight not including the weight of the engine and the tender so a bit over 200,000 pounds to move from the yard empty now the loaded weight the loaded log cars weight 27k each 6 of them is 162k the beams and cordwood are about 21k-26k the beams are about 126k and the cordwood is about 156k so the total train weight loaded minus the engine and tender is 440k pounds so i can see why it struggled

[@TrainBandit]

No1 loco is going to be like the blues mobile and when it’s done is just going to fall apart

[@Elios0000]

i mean NS manged to string line on Horseshoe curve more then once...

[@squish_nerd]

You should use your bell at the crossroads. 13:22

[@Hyce777]

Bells in RO are annoying.

[@swosheeplays9453]

I think betsies older brother should be Bartholomew (said in movie narrator voice)

[@erumaaro6060]

My money maker train is 24 cars of beams with a Glenbrook. Good thing I built a yard at the sawmill, otherwise loading would take ages.

[@lonestarlocomotive7467]

Big Betsy sounds like a great name for the class 48. We got zooma Betsy and big Betsy

[@BaltimoreAndOhioRR]

Cool 🚂

[@hollywood1340]

Turn the fire off magically? You mean firing with oil! Best is when you don't mean for it to shut off all at once . Not that I've EVER done that.

[@Hyce777]

I've seen it happen... always exciting. :)

[@hollywood1340]

@@Hyce777 All the little things they never mention. Leaving an injector on, blower issues, catching the firing valve with your bibs. I miss it.

[@Hyce777]

@@hollywood1340 Injectors not wanting to work... ever, lol. Yeah. Lots of little details

[@AShadowboxsFSX]

22:55 you yourself have said there were basically no rules at this time in history Hyce, so railroad management would have 0 to say about some hardcore parkour lol

[@kelvinelrick807]

Get the Mosca, it's only 3,600 (compared to the Climax, Heisler, Class 70, and Cook Mogul), and it pulls more than the Cookie!

[@darknut9696]

Here in the UK the standard gauge railways had a brake van on each end for train consists for routes that didn't have a place to 'run-around' / or access to a turntable and on certain inclines similar or less to the C.R.A.P and ES&D

[@CobetcknnKolowski]

Yes! Choose violence just like those 'Splody Boi's in Derail Valley!

[@PalmTopSebby]

i love the casual chicken run refs sprinkled throughout your vids

[@wolfpack6350]

I mean you could also save up for the Mosca, having just $100 more expensive and having to deal with a tender compared to the class 48 but the Mosca has little more tractive effort than the Cooke Mogul. The Class 48 is also a great locomotive for a small compact little engine like that, great for small operations, switching, and maybe a helper. This is just my opinion.

[@Hyce777]

I want Mosca because *zooms* but we're saving it for the coal mine.

[@wolfpack6350]

@@Hyce777 ah ok, makes sense.

[@henryevermore8933]

Honestly probably the best bit 46:16 100% unexpected. Also kann knows Spanish right? You should speak more Spanish with him :).

[@Hyce777]

I am not sure if kan knows Spanish, lol.

[@modelmainline7278]

You should get the mosca locomotive, because it is cheap, has a lot of tractive effort and is the fastest locomotive in the game because of its big driving wheels.

[@CMDRSweeper]

kAN : "How is that stopping working out for you?" Hyce: "Poorly" That gave me a massive giggle to the 3/4 of an idiot... podcast? gameshow? I dunno, the barely appreciated gold nugget of the channel in any case.

[@PikaPetey]

I should show you a world in vrchat where you operate a steam locomotive. Very fun but idk how realistic it is.

[@Hyce777]

That would be neat to see!!

[@PikaPetey]

@Hyce not sure what your schedule looks like or how we coordinate. I normally get on around 10pm est.

[@thekathal]

Congrats on 40K dude!!!!

[@Hyce777]

Thank you!

[@3ftsteamrwy12]

Oh I think they should add power braking bu era...first the Eames Vaccum brake (good up in Maine on the two foot gauge, and fairly standard on Easten 3' gauge in NY PA and Ohio...but NOT so much on the Denver South Park and Pacific...) THEN straight air, and finally ending with "modern circa 1900 Westinghouse air brakes.

[@hartleymartin]

Railroads Online seems to have mostly the same or very similar locomotives you used to be able to get from Bachmann in their On30 range. No Montezuma though.

[@TylerCMilligan]

Watching y'all struggle to load the Zooma made me glad the Frontier Union Central saved up for a Class 70 lmao.

[@JustAnotherChrisYo]

We need railroads online VR. This game could be great for VR

[@Foxymorris9236]

29 cars don't forget the bobber cab

[@whitefoxrising]

Could convince yourself that’s other employees flipping the switches with that mod

[@daniellewis1789]

Next time: The road switcher, 60 years ahead of schedule.

[@THEJake829]

Would it be worth doing an ultrasound inspection on the boiler of that engine? I know that that's a thing done with older guns to make sure the barrels aren't compromised. I'm sure it would be quite the process to do an inspection on a boiler though.

[@Hyce777]

We've got an ultrasonic thickness tester, but that wouldn't help with the voids, as far as I can tell. Would be a prohibitive amount of work to make it run anyways, so with a better tester you probably could but we still wouldn't end up doing it. Unfortunately not all of them can run again.

[@THEJake829]

@@Hyce777 Yeah, that's about what I was expecting. Kinda sad they won't all run, but there's only so much that can be done.

[@Octopat]

We desperately need a C.R.A.P. or E.S.&D. x “poorly” shirt so badly XD

[@lordsherifftakari4127]

time to call up the ES&D crew to come over and drive the CRAP into the black for more Choo choo's and cars. leaving the standing challenge of derail counts. P.S. = just caught the RRO update. lots of Bug fixes UI tidying. New Track Piece = 45 Degree Crossing Telegraph Shack for Fast Travel between locations. guessing there's going to be some Trackwork coming to the CRAP and the ES&D.

[@richardjayroe8922]

If the host loads any wood commodity you MUST REMAIN 5 cars away or you will crash

[@Hyce777]

wack, thanks for clearing that up for me.

[@TheLunarr-TerroPony]

Hyce... Could you show us what happen when you throw wood to fully working coal fire with your fish tank camera? It would be interesting to see this evaporation of wood that you talked about in one of last episodes :3

[@Hyce777]

I can see about doing that, if we have low fire risk. The amount of hot embers that come out of the engine are ridiculous when we do that.

[@maxwilson7001]

I bet a slo-mo would look very nice on that.

[@fireutility21]

@24:57 I now have the 1995 classic The Scatman is now stuck in my head

[@maxwilson7001]

And now so do I