Road America - 1970 Mustang Boss 302 vs Camaro! ELVF Saturday 2020

[@micahcastillo9113]

I could listen to that Boss 302 for hours. What a beautiful engine!

[@johncash8243]

Most entertaining race I’ve seen in a while. Both drivers pushing it to the max , awesome

[@jeffreygraves4120]

Well said!

[@pg1171]

Now THIS is racing! Balls to the wall, foot to the floor, racing. This is the way auto racing was meant to be! The Mustang and Camaro are so evenly matched, braking is their only advantage... Thank you so much! Love this!!!

[@sergeantmasson3669]

pg1171, Boss 302 Mustang was faster and handled better.

[@erniearambula3525]

The Boss 302 and Z28 were both factory cars built for the track it was awesome to see those factory icons do battle.

[@dalejacobson6363]

Mustang want's it bad , nice revs !

[@sergeantmasson3669]

ERNIE ARAMBULA, Penske/Donahue cheated back then with acid dipping the bodies and using fiberglass components wherever possible. If not for that, the Boss 302 Mustang was faster.

[@mtl-ss1538]

@@sergeantmasson3669 All of the Shelby transams Mustangs & Cougars were acid dipped also .

[@Loulovesspeed]

@@sergeantmasson3669 - Acid dipping was pretty common back then. Sam Posey's Challenger got nabbed for that in tech inspection when an official was jaw boning and leaned on the roof with his elbow and it dented! He said something like "Oh boys, boys, we can't have this now." The head of Chrysler appropriated a new car from a local dealer and they spent the night changing bodies.

[@jeremy8169]

The sounds of the Boss 302 screaming at the end of the long straightaway if awesome !

[@quicksilverracing9061]

Glad everyone enjoyed the video! 6:01

[@algy24]

Wow what an incredible skill on display there, you know that track in and out and wow what a noise that car makes 👌🏆

[@evan_pecore]

Thank you! I have a few laps around RA under my belt 😄

[@dbzfreak701]

The sound of this thing alone gets your heart going. Can't imagine the amount of adrenaline pumping while actually pushing this beast around the track. Even morose while battling another capable car/driver. Awesome stuff.

[@GeorgeMcKinley.]

Awesome display of driving , great action between both cars. Very nice suspension setup and both motor and trans making some sweet sound.

[@1MACHDAVID]

Last Lap , Passed me by going into Canada corner as my Right rear tire was going flat ( Blue Mustang # 03 ), I did make it back into the paddock before it went completely flat .

[@kramnull8962]

So since your car shit all over you and lost you the race, you want to give it to me, right?

[@allanpolk2681]

Wow ! Talk about two very evenly matched cars. This boss and the Z28 were clawing at each other like crazy. Great cars, and great driving skill by both drivers, not afraid to go full- tilt boogie with their rides. And the sound . . . Stereophonic V8 muscle eargasm. The guy in the Vette near the end, must have been doing his imitation of a slug.

[@JackF99]

Wow! I wish the 'Stang had a rear facing camera after he passed the Camaro. Seemed like the Boss had some hp on the Z but the Camaro guy was more willing to trade paint.

[@Poohdaddymagic]

The Boss had a little more top end oomph but both great cars

[@plantfeeder6677]

Boss 302s can't be beat on the straights. They're top end monsters. He was toying with the Camaro on the straights until his tires were warm then it was bye.

[@ramblerdave1339]

My guess, the Camaro overheated his rear tires, in desperation, trying to stay ahead.

[@stevejones7593]

If you have never driven a boss 302, you don't know what you are missing.

[@900108Chale]

@C Es LOL

[@narmale]

'99 mustang with a 454cleavor ... i'll keep my car that can handle vs that horrid front system the boss had :3

[@miichaelneri4687]

My Dad had the 69 429 Boss. Only got to drive it a hand full of times with him riding along. Just as well I guess. Wish I had it today!

[@chester3753]

Owned a '70 Boss 302 in college 1973

[@kantina4765]

@@narmalenot sure if you’ve ever listened to guys who do vintage racing in old mustangs but they handle great

[@lpscruggsiii]

A great way to spend a morning or afternoon, playing hard with friends. Way cool Dude !!!

[@CoyoteProductionsBoss302]

Incredible could not have matched these cars any closer! Keeps u watching! Love the sound!

[@johntempest267]

Driving as hard as Donahue and Penske ever did. Effing awesome. Seemed to me Camaro had slight edge in braking, low end, Boss had slight edge on handling and top end power Slight. Both drivers were aces.

[@plantfeeder6677]

You just described the very essense of their biggest differences. The Chevy 302DZ engine made it's power in the lower rpm range where the Boss302 engine was all about top end speed. I'd give the brakes to the Ford and the handling to the Chevy though.

[@robertparker6654]

Respectfully, I've driven a 1970 Boss, nothing handled better than a Boss, i was stunned at how effortlessly it took corners.

[@johntempest267]

@@robertparker6654 ...did you ever drive any Camaros equipped with 302s?

[@narmale]

i absolutely lost it when that C3 did the same and plowed straight ahead LOLOLOLOLOLOL

[@kenm4678]

Very interesting to see it this way. I was watching this at the track station 13 when it happened.

[@svenmartin840]

I felt the spirits of Mr. Gurney, Parnelli Jones, Mark Donoghue, and all the other racers who raced the trans-am. And the early days of IMSA,Trans Am,WRC,WEC. Because they raced because they wanted too.

[@Lagrange1186]

I could watch this all day.

[@trevorward2078]

When that C3 went off though. That was awesome. Wanted it sooooo bad but just a little too much. Great video. Great racing. Awesome cars.

[@notpoliticallycorrect1303]

A lot too much,or his brakes failed😂

[@iggyfritz7150]

Now this was real racing this when a man was a man and a woman was a woman

[@900108Chale]

And drivers were Racers!

[@narmale]

and the corvettes plowed through the corners instead of taking em LOL!

[@badnomad357]

Amazing. Incredibly even matched. Shocking that the camaro jumped him or the mustang got back in front

[@900108Chale]

Just when I though the Camaro would NOT let you pass. You did it! *Da Boss!* Nice.

[@evan_pecore]

It got a little tight, but we squeezed through. A fun race!

[@kramnull8962]

@@evan_pecore Would have been nice to had a rear view to watch you gap him....

[@Scrambler85]

I'm a Ford fan but that Camaro was giving the Mustang all it wanted.

[@rockfusionser]

2:45 to 6:20 is the race. The most exhilarating race I’ve seen on video

[@AG-ci7rl]

Love it at about 5:05 as they race side-by-side down the front straight, both small blocks screaming.

[@Loulovesspeed]

1:04 - typical uppity Vette driver - "I'm not letting any Mustang or Camaro stay ahead of me"..............Oooooops!

[@narmale]

i lost it, straight lost it... like he did xD xD xD

[@JamesWilliams-dj2bp]

Just like Jones and nd Donahue. Fantastic!

[@YeahItsYourBoyG]

f*cking epic dude, hats off to you and the z/28 driver

[@evan_pecore]

Thanks!

[@approachingtarget.4503]

Man that looks like fun. Thank god its winter now....fresh snow and empty streets...here i come.

[@elliottstevens8564]

This is the auto version of what the Eurosport World SuperBike color commentators refer to as a "ding dong battle".

[@franckcastt]

Awesome!!!, thank you! 🏁

[@900108Chale]

1:05 *YUP! That's a Vette driver ALL DAY LONG!*

[@narmale]

aw man, we arnt all that stupid... >.

[@harpz902]

That’s the definition of badass right there ! What’s the max rpm your reaching there ? 8k ?

[@erikalston4496]

Best Boss 302 on KZbin !!!

[@BrunoLiechti]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWHEc3iZbL6lhLs

[@michaelmiller9870]

Thanks for sharing! 👍👍

[@oldieman730]

Singing 302, best sound ever.

[@bill5935]

Awesome!! Those guys can drive !!

[@sbstian]

Awesome battle!

[@michaelspraggins5419]

Great racing! Great video! It would also be great if we could keep national poilitics out of vintage racing and just focus on the great cars, drivers and racing.

[@williamlewis7846]

Beautiful sound, I had a 69 Mach 351W w/ top loader 4 spd. Fine cars the were. Camaro seemed to do fine when it could block the Mustang.

[@stock202]

Shake & bake I saw that.

[@calripson]

Are these original or modern engines and transmissions?

[@evan_pecore]

These engines are built with modern internals, but built to the original displacement using steel block/heads. For reference, the mustangs engine in this video was over 550hp at the crank and turned 8400rpm.

[@rickhenke2452]

Z/28s had hotter cams and a little more compression but they just didn’t breathe like the Cleveland heads.

[@sergeantmasson3669]

That's not true. Z28 302 cam was 455 lift whereas the Boss 302 cam had 540 lift. Both engines had near the same compression ratio. Both rated at 290 hp but in reality, the Boss 302 was 340 hp to the Chevy 310 hp. Boss 302 advantage was the 351 4v cylinder heads. All Boss 302 engines had 4 bolt mains. Only the '69 Camaro Z28 302 had 4 bolt mains. Bottom line, the Boss 302 was the more superior engine.

[@bumblebeebob]

But the Camero had the superior front suspension. That helped them. The Mustangs were hampered by theirs. It was a mucked up setup. Okay for street driving but weak for anything more spirited. I had a '70 fastback as a daily driver for 17 years. Got a little spirited on the street in my youth. ;-)

[@narmale]

@@sergeantmasson3669 just about drop two golf balls side-by-side down those ports too... shame the combustion chambers wernt as crazy as the ports or they really woulda been crazy good

[@sergeantmasson3669]

@@narmale Get REAL ! Chevy 302 and Ford Boss 302, the Ford Boss 302 was far better.

[@sergeantmasson3669]

@@bumblebeebob Camaro front suspension was superior over the Mustang? According to who, you? Street driving, the Mustang handled far better. Camaro rear mono-leaf springs were a joke. Chevy tried adding traction bars and staggered shocks but neither helped. Camaro front suspension, the ball joints were weak and often failed. I'm a 50+ years master level factory certified auto/truck tech. Camaro has never been superior over Mustang. GM discontinued Camaro for 8 years and it's being discontinued again. There will not be a 7th generation Camaro. Mustang began in 1964 and it's never been discontinued. Mustang has always outsold Camaro as well. Enjoy your delusions.

[@brettwoodard167]

Looks like you were the cat, and Ray was the mouse. Great driving!

[@67daffy]

Awesome clip no doubt love the old muscle cars racing, and a 302 at that (assuming that's the engine installed).

[@Taseden]

That Camaro is my spirit animal with that rear plate.

[@thomashamilton9046]

Looks like a handful, great driving

[@michaelcuff5780]

Reminds me of going to work in the morning on the N.J. turnpike! Lol!

[@roselleavenue]

Like listening to Mozart for 15 minutes. Music to my ears :)

[@zeuscasey]

Brakes-camaro Top end pull-boss Handling-,boss by a hair. Both great cars and 2 me nothing like hearing 2 high revving American v8s

[@KiranKumar_46]

Spectacular race!!!

[@Wildjake1999]

Can we talk about the corvette that flew off early in the video

[@2098elk]

What great racing!

[@porcupinebob7907]

Bad ass dicin!!! that stang tore it up hahaa!

[@gordonipock9385]

Great racing! I enjoyed it. Better than Gran Tourismo on PlayStation.

[@neilkinney6600]

What skill!

[@MrBlackbutang]

Nice ! Love to be in the seat

[@bpoole73]

Awesome!

[@iggyfritz7150]

The boss will always be the boss but I love RS Camaro's too.

[@matrox]

That camaro looks bad ass.

[@urw877g]

I have watched that yellow Camaro several times at various corners. The front wheels are pointing in every direction except where they should be pointed. If that front end was set up better, he would be hard to pass. I do not know why that team has not figured it out yet. The other Camaros do not look that bad. The Mustangs are nice and smooth in the corners. I would rip that front end apart and try something different.

[@HighlanderNorth1]

Is that an actual 302 Trans Am Camaro? Or is it just some other late 60s Camaro set up for racing, but with a 327 or 350? That's surprisingly not mentioned anywhere here, despite the fact that it's a pretty big detail. Assuming it is a 302 T/A Camaro, then it's impressive how closely matched those cars were with their Ford, AMC, Mopar rivals.

[@kramnull8962]

It actually looked as if his rear end is causing the problem. way too stiff, and bouncy at the same time....

[@narmale]

@@kramnull8962 to much spring, not enough damping

[@h2oskiaddict]

Almost a 100 psi oil pressure!!

[@elmerfudpucker3204]

Excellent race!

[@servers5717]

The boss 302 mustang is my favorite mustang ever

[@joshua331968]

3:47 to 3:51 .. crazy...

[@alanchantiefighterskuanlia627]

Dat sound is what i want in a v8 stang. Sadly modern stang sound like hyundai

[@glavatz]

These guys are just givin er.

[@dohctorsmith1]

Boss definitely had more low and midrange power

[@JONNIE_ROCKER]

👍👍👍

[@beboboymann3823]

Awesome! My teeth hurt. My jaws ache.

[@Loulovesspeed]

Real road racing the way it was meant to be in the old days! GM vs Ford, doesn't get any better than that. Two classic rivals going at it, with no sub-par Mopars to get in the way. Donohue vs Jones - they knew how to duke it out on the track for sure. Gotta love the Camaro doing everything he could to block the Stang, then finally gives up to the faster machine! Too bad there is not that level of grit and talent today in Trans Am.

[@evan_pecore]

Check out my in-car video from our last Trans Am race in Nashville, it's no Donohue v Jones... but I think there is plenty of grit and talent!

[@jolujo5842]

That Camero to has the mustang by the short hairs 🤣🤣🤣 But wait.... The pony car comes thru 👻

[@kramnull8962]

Camaro is like the Jello Commercial of the 70's; Watch it Wiggle...

[@robertpoudrette4483]

I'd like to see wht's on the Camaro's camera, I think the Mustang wiggles it's way as well...

[@kramnull8962]

@@robertpoudrette4483 That was only an observation of the guy under pressure. Which after the Camaro fought so hard to keep the lead, well I figure his tires were shot. Needed some rear end dampening in there, way too stiff on the rear for this road course. Heaven knows I'd take that Camaro any day as well...

[@jonathanriffle6739]

You rock !

[@arnoldanderson1501]

The Camaro is over driving it, but they are quite evenly matched.

[@paulditch5425]

Nice license plate on the Camaro

[@darrylbennett7902]

Yellow Trump Camaro suspension team set him up for failure 😂😂🤦🏾‍♂️ so satisfying watching the Mustang pass him up 👌🏾💪🏾

[@Ray-yv2ec]

It comes down to the driver

[@neilkinney6600]

Im assuming Boris Said is at the wheel! The Worlds greatest road course driver!!

[@Bebopin-69]

Intoxicating

[@iR0CZ]

How could you dislike either?

[@9145709902]

Long live the ICE!

[@paxwallacejazz]

Mustang doesn't have a power advantage so all things being equal

[@sergeantmasson3669]

Obviously, the Camaro doesn't handle as well and doesn't have as much power as the Mustang. Street versions were the same. Mustang Boss 302's ate '67-'69 Camaro Z/28's for snacks.

[@WELLRESPECTEDAPE]

Sez who????

[@sergeantmasson3669]

@@WELLRESPECTEDAPE NHRA put '69-'70 Boss 302 Mustangs two pure-stock classes higher than the '67-'69 Z28 Camaro because the Boss Mustangs were a full second quicker. When both were in the same pure-stock class, Boss Mustangs always beat the Camaro Z28.

[@sergeantmasson3669]

@@WELLRESPECTEDAPE Well documented facts too difficult for your low IQ level to comprehend? BTW, who won the T/A championship in 1970? It wasn't Camaro.

[@Storkz0re]

This camaro had better breaks but somewhy lower grip. Probably needs better spoiler. Also looks like mustang has quite short first gear

[@elmerfudpucker3204]

@@Storkz0re Exactly. The Mustang had the gears just right for the happy place of the engine. The little Z had better brakes obviously, but that fades with the tires. The Mustang had that off the turn grunt, that opened the door to the lead.

[@jonathanwyatt5097]

What a rip

[@christopherclark564]

Great action and awesome sounds!

[@granthendriksz2507]

I prefer chasing personally.

[@Greaseland]

Camaro looked like a handful to drive

[@K-2Himalaya-sb7fe]

302's WAR

[@MJY5drives]

Sounds like a nascar

[@salesposito2290]

That was some awesome, tense wheel to wheel racing. I found it especially satisfying when you passed that road hog camaro with the dumbass Trump plate.

[@narmale]

so... you like your turnip head president then?

[@salesposito2290]

@@narmale no, thankfully hes gone

[@narmale]

@@salesposito2290 hmmmm pretty sure i saw him in the news trying to finish a sentence just last night

[@salesposito2290]

@@narmale if you’re referring to the current guy, at least he understands what a sentence is

[@BrunoLiechti]

The mighty Moffat Mustang BOSS 302 in Action: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWHEc3iZbL6lhLs

[@griesrt]

Red car is better driver

[@michaelratliff905]

Mustang is a horse...what is a Camaro?..is it crap in Spanish?..😁

[@ungurdani8346]

Salut my friend super car . . super video subscribe subscribe

[@BrunoLiechti]

And one more engine-sound: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pn3HhHevdrmmfdk

[@bojangles6239]

The Ford had top end speed, but the Chevy handled better and if the two were both driven with the reckless abandon the Ford driver had I think handling would've taken this one. The Camaro owner I think was more reluctant to swap paint which would've probably been required to win.

[@trmpgod9976]

ACTUALLY, THE BOSS DRIVER GOT OUT DRIVEN MOST OF THE TIME BY THE Z DRIVER. THE BOSS HAD MORE PASSING ABILITY AS IT WAS FASTER, BUT THE Z DRIVER DIDN'T SEEM APPOSED TO TRADING PAINT.

[@martinmiessler5025]

TRUMP CAR LOOOOOSE 👍🏁

[@frmula1fan51]

Let's go Brandon! Print those ballots!