Road House | Lessons In Manhood

[@robbiehughes8382]

Finally someone gets it. based choice to start of the series

[@MacabreStorytelling]

R o a d H o u s e

[@snowballthepro2926]

@@MacabreStorytelling Get off my plane! Peter that's not even from the right movie

[@karrihart1]

@@snowballthepro2926 Ghost!

[@ТарасШалай-у5ю]

Awesome video. Continue it

[@Dethmaster64]

This positive masculinity film subgenre could help those of us trapped in the Literally Me film subgenre phases

[@MD0K]

amen

[@Sclopiopipio]

I would argue this is the grown up version of that guy, the guy that went through the phase and is now deconstructing it

[@nathanlevesque7812]

Vash the Stampede from Trigun is peak masculinity. He's emotionally liberated, having no shame about fully expressing any feeling, yet also stoic whenever the moment calls for resolve. If violence can be avoided by being humiliated he doesn't hesitate, nor does he when the only way to protect someone involves putting himself at risk. Heroic pacifism is the defining principle of his character.

[@Josh-ez5hf]

One of my favorite badass archetypes, mostly peaceful and caring guy but will absolutely throw the fuck down when a situation calls for it

[@TOOFUTURETV]

Mr. Miyagi in The Karate Kid is a similar and great example of a top role model for kids without one at home.

[@galacticspecter4364]

Knowing people in real life who’ve had their lives ended because someone decided to pull out a gun or knife in a kerfuffle between men is the biggest motivator for seeking to avoid escalating conflict.

[@MacabreStorytelling]

@@galacticspecter4364 My mom told me a story of two dads who got into it at their son’s hockey match. They fought. One punch and the dad fell back and cracked his head… dead. So both boys came off the ice, one of their dads dead, the other in jail. I’ll never do anything like that for that very reason.

[@hannahfiddler7990]

Patrick Swayze is also a great example of not needing to prove his masculinity, if you look at his other roles, dirty dancing as a dance instructor: a job often derided as effeminate, Ghost as a dead man, he literally cannot touch his girlfriend or physically fight anyone but is still able to show love and strength, and To Wong Foo as a drag queen. Need I say more?

[@MacabreStorytelling]

@@hannahfiddler7990 👍👍👍👍

[@osmanyousif7849]

Don’t forget his role as Ponyboy’s brother Darry in The Outsiders. Or Bodhi from Point Break.

[@karrihart1]

"The only message in [Road House] is that every problem in life can be solved by kicking."-Brian Griffin

[@qjames0077]

This movie was the framework by which I formed my perception of what it means to be a true man: Patrick Swayze

[@BodyByBenSLC]

I totally agree. I worked as a bouncer and spend a few nights on jail. No shortage of 250 pound 5 year old, both men and women. I have punched out a few men in my day and it's not cool. It a mess you feel terrible after, girls are not coming up to you after. It's usually people looking at you with disgust because blood and snot is all over. But I agree that as a man you need to know how to defend yourself.

[@milesduggins1925]

And then the remake goes ahead and ruins this entirely. Jake gyllenhalls character pushes violent situations and unnecessarily hurts his opponents far beyond what is necessary. He doesn’t learn anything and his behavior is unheroic

[@MacabreStorytelling]

The opening scene alone is antithetical to the entire point of the first film. I wonder if the creator of the remake even saw the first film.

[@FortKnoxMovies]

I love your comment in the end about avoiding women who see violence as a positive. I needed to hear it. A friend of mine tried to set me up with his girlfriend’s best friend a few months ago. During the date I told her this one story about how I almost got into a bar fight in Paris but ended up having those guys buy me drinks all night. Anyway to add flavor to the story made a joke about how “eyeing the exits” and I guess it turned her off. Later telling her friend (my friend’s girlfriend) that she thought I was a coward. It’s bothered med ever sense, but this video help me put things back in a positive perspective.

[@MacabreStorytelling]

@@FortKnoxMovies yeah a lot of guys have no self respect and let the opinions of the worst women in the world dictate their actions. You made the right call. That same chick is probably going to wind up being the crazy ex that these “alpha male” chuds complain about on their podcasts lol

[@FortKnoxMovies]

@@MacabreStorytelling Yeah you’re right. It does make me worried for my friend though if that’s the kind of girls his GF likes to hang with.

[@gregorymeyer1798]

I hope as many young guys out there as possible take this to heart and realize how true it is. A real man will have the strength AND restraint to act when necessary and know that words don't change who you are... Thank you.

[@497novakl]

Another example, more fatherly figured types, would be Robert de Niro character in A Bronx Tale. Chazz Palmentieri provided an excellent father figure as well, but it was de Niro's that stood out as the more positive one since he was the protagonist's father. He provided sound, realistic advice against the lofty ideals perpetuated by the mafia.

[@MacabreStorytelling]

Hell yeah dude. He is making an appearance at some point in the series.

[@497novakl]

@@MacabreStorytelling literally stuck it to the mafia and in their face too, both Lorenzo (de Niro) and sonny (Palmentieri) offer different, yet meaningful insights as father figures.

[@497novakl]

@@MacabreStorytelling BTW, another male bravado feature that might interest you is Pretty Village, Pretty Flame by Srdjan Dragojevic. It is about the Yugoslav War in. Bosnia where different male archetypes come into play. Little international for you, but it pays off with the Balkan humour which is very underrated.

[@nhdjoseywales]

I never took Dalton walking off as weak or afraid, he simply wasn’t concerned with those morons.

[@DragonLandlord]

You can see a small smirk as her turns around.

[@galehutchinson260]

I agree. He was being professional. He did his job, made the guys causing trouble leave, and anything more would have caused a lawsuit. Besides it isn't an awesome thing for a sober guy to beat up on guys who have been drinking. That's adolescent. He was in control of his emotions.

[@Mr_Case_Time]

We missed you Mac, nice to see you again.

[@MacabreStorytelling]

Likewise homie 🙏

[@Mr_Case_Time]

@@MacabreStorytellingthis is such an awesome idea for a series. Throwing out some positivity by showing good examples of manhood for guys that might not have had any positive male role models growing up. No joke, I always thought Hank Hill was a great dad, though he was obviously limited by his own experiences with his dad. I think he legitimately tried his best, and by the end of the series I think his and Bobby’s relationship was pretty healthy. That’s all we can really do as parents, and people: try to be better than our programming.

[@adamgonzalez9650]

​@@MacabreStorytellingNOW DELIVER THE HOTD TONY SOPRANO MEMES

[@thetaarakian]

One of my favorite movies of all time. For some of the very reasons you laid out in this video. I will say though, I'm a bit pissed that I'm in my late 40s now and I don't look as freaking amazing as Sam Elliot does in Roadhouse.

[@ionas99]

The last couple of days i was like are there more videos of this out, checked the channel and saw the views of this one such underrated video. Please youtube algorithm pick it up

[@AquaticSkipper]

Please do Mr Inbetween, you will be absolutely blown away I promise you. It has some of the most powerful depictions of this tooic imaginable while being an incredible journey

[@armchairbrain]

"This sounds very Man-cabre" - Me saying this in a car with a smile.

[@MrMultiJer]

Fantastic idea for a series! With the shorter video length I hope you can upload more regularly :) I would put the lesson in the video discription though something like "Why turning down a fight is the manly thing to do | Road House | Lessons In Manhood"

[@mineneuryuu3623]

Thanks for this awesome video. The aspect about positive femininity tought me a lesson. Now I want to watch Roadhouse

[@HeatherHolt]

Women turned on by the bad boy constant fighter are usually quite young. Like at 18 I thought that was “wowww” but only bc it was so different than the norm. Now I’m thinking “My ex is in jail, again? Eh not surprising.”

[@chazthurgood121]

This movie is one of the best westerns and I’m happy you are pointing out its strengths and selective differences

[@leogreenfield4999]

Hey Mac, I'd like to suggest a future episode of this series. Robert Kincaid, played by Clint Eastwood in The Bridges of Madison County. I think he's a very positive masculine figure.

[@LCMaestro15]

7:49 didn’t expect to find Terry Funk in a movie but wow, the more you know. Great video Mac, this is something men should do more often than being a coward or a hot head: Show restraint.

[@feelingrizzly1515]

Rocky is a beacon of positive masculinity while still being a flawed.

[@TheEliera]

I hope uncle Iroh will appear as well. And awesome video as well you perspective is always interesting one

[@andrewanastasovski1609]

Swayze is my favourite action hero/everyman. I might say this is the most 80s movie ever.

[@romankotas448]

Aragorn’s gonna have to be mentioned in this series

[@MacabreStorytelling]

Does he know?

[@romankotas448]

@@MacabreStorytelling possibly

[@saint_silver]

RIP Terry Funk, one of the GOATs

[@cthulhutube3839]

Hey man been really in love with your channel for some time. ❤ I think your content’s fantastic. After seeing your videos on tlou2 I always wondered what your thoughts on The Walking Dead would be. Both the games and the show. I’d love to see your analysis on those two. But I can understand if you’re busy with other video ideas at the moment.

[@kermitslipnslide4955]

MS i’ve been binging a bunch of your videos and they have had such an impact on me as an artist and a creative and made me think way more critically about my own writing. these videos are simply not appreciated enough, know that you have fans who recognize your skill and talent.

[@nightking0130]

Ah finally covering this cinematic masterpiece

[@cureforintroversion1262]

Our saviour has returned

[@mrguardwill45]

Based and Dalton-pilled. This series is going to be a banger.

[@TheNickSweat]

Got the Vinegar Syndrome 4K of this last week. The girlfriend and I watched it tonight. So wild to see this video in my sub feed right after. I'd forgotten how good of a dude Dalton actually is. RIP to the King himself, Patrick Swayze. No one can do it better.

[@kaleb9375]

Glad to see you back! Excited to see more from this series. This is such a rad idea.

[@dominiqueodom3099]

If i could make 2 reccomendations for this series 1. Goofy and Max from A GOOFY movie based off one interaction "IM NOT YOUR LITTLE BOY ANYMORE DAD. IVE GROWN UP. IVE GOT MY OWN LIFE NOW. I KNOW THAT!! I JUST WANTED TO BE PART OF IT." number 2 is the movie Warrior with Tom Hardy's one line being the living embodiment of how i view my dad. "Now? Your trying? Where were you when it mattered? I needed this man when i was a kid. I dont need you now. Everything has already happened,and you and Brendan dont seem to understand that."

[@MacabreStorytelling]

@@dominiqueodom3099 warrior is on the docket! A Goofy Movie is a great choice too 👍

[@Outfoxd]

Had a minor obsession with this movie and how there seemed to be more going on under the hood than its reputation indicates. Really looking forward to this series.

[@conradtrueit7882]

4:15 perfect little allegory for everything the original stood for compared to the absolute abomination of a “reboot.”

[@MacabreStorytelling]

@@conradtrueit7882 even from the opening scene of the reboot I knew they missed the point entirely. Hence why I didn’t even bother mentioning it.

[@conradtrueit7882]

@@MacabreStorytelling💯

[@V4Now]

I don't know if anyone who watched Swazyze avoid that fight at the start was in anyway "weak" when watching that. But i get the framing/point none the less. Anyway, good vid.👍🏿 ROAD HOUSE...

[@123xhernan]

Great video! I think Vinland Saga would provide great inspiration for this series.

[@osmanyousif7849]

Glad to see an in-depth analysis about the pros of this movie. It’s no masterpiece, but I was shocked to see that it got nominated for a Worse Picture Razzie nomination (Granted it lost to Star Trek V, which most can say pretty justified, but still…. compared to the other things that were out that year, I’d say I’ve seen worse). I kind of wished that you brought up the 2024 reboot a bit though and try to compare both to see where it fails in comparison to the original.

[@Blackoser]

Saw your Video for one minute. Stopped it. Watched the movie. Watched your video. You nailed it. Great Job :)

[@pacielsadboycinefilo]

Absolutelly amazing video, it's so comforting to watch media analyzis about healthy masculinity. For what it's worth, I feel you'd love to check out Perfect Days as a great example of healthy masculinity and as a counterpoint against the mentality of "being successful" in the traditional sense.

[@GranValor97]

Excelent video as always!

[@blonglor5114]

Keeping them coming MAC! You the man!

[@diegowushu]

As a former young man, I enjoyed this one. Great idea for a series.

[@hawkward957]

I am highly interested in this series. I'm a little ashamed to admit that at the age of 25 I feel like i am only now in my life coming to an understanding of what TRUE masculinity is. Although i guess it could be worse; as cited in this video there seems to be many middle aged men who have not and likely never will grow past performative masculinity 😅

[@KarlMarkyMarxx]

This is outstanding work. I'm looking forward to future installments in this series.

[@frazfrazfrazfraz]

I haven't seen the movie but that ending sounds and looks thematically consistent. The message as you described it isn't "violence is bad" but rather "violence for the wrong reasons is bad". If violence wholesale was bad, there were be no reason to learn any self defense because you would consider the application of it to be morally wrong The main character showed his growth by not killing the mob boss in a way that absolutely would have filled him with regret for acting on the wrong feelings, and he probably would have been bitter about it for the rest of his life. Instead, the guy is killed solely in defense and preservation of life, in a pragmatic and measured way The reality is some people won't stop. Crime lords are attracted to imposing their will on others, they won't stop out of some spontaneous manifestation of empathy and it's doubtful that, even if arrested, prison would stop him from causing some sort of damage. Also, from the clip on screen there it looks like he pulls a gun after being spared, which means it's definitely self defense, and not an execution. Although i haven't seen the movie yet, maybe there's more going on. I'll definitely check it out at some point

[@magic-cola]

Great video, and a great concept for a series! I can't wait for more 🙌

[@j-j998]

Lets goooooo. Mac is back

[@5liter]

Roadhouse is one of my favorite dumbass rule of cool popcorn movies, so I've never thought about it much beyond the surface level. It was fun to look at it from an angle I never really though of, and if anything it makes the movie even cooler to know that it actually has something to say

[@MacabreStorytelling]

@@5liter Ditto. It was surprisingly astute for what it was. Not spectacular but much deeper than I expected.

[@farmerwithshotgun1293]

Good will hunting would be a good movie for this series.

[@TheOrian34]

I remember that film.

[@osmanyousif7849]

Also, and call me crazy for saying this, but I think the grandfather telling the story of The Princess Bride. A very short role. But I feel like nobody ever talks enough about the scenes between the grandson and the grandfather enough. But a lot of things that the grandfather says feels like really good lessons to learn in life.

[@charliemay2395]

hell yes fire me up can’t wait for more in the series

[@GreayWorks]

countdown to barry starts now

[@clementinelives]

He’s back!

[@Ivan.Hammar]

Great video! Very interesting analysis!

[@spocksbrain9465]

Oh this is gonna be a good series. Hype

[@beewitha50cal]

Weird as it may sound of all the male role models i had that werent my father, the one i keep thinking of most somehow always is Hank Hill.

[@thatRyzzle]

Shit, son, you've single-handedly convinced me to watch the original.

[@ilnumeroperfetto696]

holy shid he's back doing the thing

[@invisible_can]

Cant wait for more!

[@shartercam]

Hey macabre is it possible you have a film recommendation about talking to women or being insecure about talking to women. I’d like to see a realistic portrayal from a film you recommend. Thanks!

[@jhonjacson798]

1:03 I'm sure he just took that clip from Aba and Preech, but I like to think that the meme of Myron saying AGAIN!!!!!! Is so hillarious that Macabre Storytelling independently came up with it as well.

[@MacabreStorytelling]

@@jhonjacson798 wait as in they made the same joke? Lol

[@jhonjacson798]

@@MacabreStorytelling it's a running gag. Every time they talk about those guys, they use the same clip to mock them! I can't believe it! Their meme status transcends channels!

[@MacabreStorytelling]

I saw that clip on Twitter after it happened. Myron is such a bitch lol

[@nightking0130]

“Pain dont hurt” still dont know what to think of that line

[@MacabreStorytelling]

You don't have to think... ...just FEEL it.

[@Sidharthavicious]

Right up there with "I ain't got time to bleed."

[@MISTER_PANTS]

Please let there be an Aragorn episode in this series 👀

[@briansinger5258]

The efficiency of violence is a fractal; it begins with the energy conserved or redirected within a single action in a single combat; it ends with agriculture and industry. Still need a bit of room to be stupid though.

[@MiX0195]

Now do Arthur Morgan next

[@alanhouston5874]

Great video I never thought I would see the Family Guy take on Roadhouse be debunked

[@BlackZynfyndel]

Welp, mutes all Twitch tabs

[@retro-ronin]

Oh hell yeah, let's fucking go.

[@cmanzati]

Fantastic idea. I'm really sick of the these two extremes, bashing masculinity on one side, or praising asshole alpha male type of masculinity on the other. Praising positive male role models is whats missing.

[@emarino9805]

Do you still have plans for your game of thrones rewrite series? You never released the final video connecting everything

[@MacabreStorytelling]

I know. Frankly, after finishing the GOT Rewrite videos, I became so jaded with talking about Game of Thrones. And now with House of Dragon falling off, the other GOT spin-offs being likely DOA, and now even Martin saying his writing of WOW is slowed to a crawl... it is tough for me to commit the time and effort into doing so as I don't think it would be all that enjoyable an experience. I feel bad about leaving y'all hanging on it and it still feels like a ghost hanging over my head (even more than my Star Wars Sequel Trilogy Rewrite that never happened). Maybe at some point I will just bite the bullet and commit a few months to just churning it out or maybe I will commit to doing a little here and there.

[@yggdrasil2]

Awesome series, looking forward to more parts! Kinda unrelated, but I'm reminded of a video I saw making a case for why Walter White is a great male role model...for the first fifteen minutes of the pilot episode lol. And I see the truth in that.

[@MacabreStorytelling]

I’d have to check that out because citing Walter as a strong male role model seems insane to me lol

[@yggdrasil2]

@@MacabreStorytelling But think about the beginning of the episode lol: He works two jobs he hates and finds demeaning...just to support his family. The guy who made the video even said the real moment he lost respect for him was when he kicked that guy in the store.

[@yggdrasil2]

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[@yggdrasil2]

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[@yggdrasil2]

@@MacabreStorytelling It's called The Failed Masculinity of Walter White. Can't link it for some reason.

[@pikachuuprising637]

I expected the word "Miracle" in the title

[@notrdy4thisjelly546]

Killer video, nobody wins a fight

[@brainiac.computer]

Please do a video on Isildur’s heir: Aragorn, son of Arathorn. The one true king!

[@waynesfiction4now]

I'm late to the party but might I suggest using Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World as one of your videos for Lessons In Manhood.

[@Joe-ib3dy]

I never like to write big long paragraphs so i’ll keep it short. I’m a 20yr old young man still finding his way in the world and it’s many adversities. I really appreciate your analysis on this topic and look forward to more entries in this series, so thank you for the education. Also yea fuck the Tate brothers lol.

[@nathen9085]

What if they insult someone you hold dear, like your parents and sister, while they are present, and you can clearly see they are offended? You know for certain that you'll feel bad about it for the next week. What should you do then? What if its just a tradeoff?the small possibility of injury or even death against the long-term psychological damage (at least in my case). Maybe you let it slide the first time, but what if it keeps happening and starts to negatively affect your life? Every time, you think, "Maybe I could have at least said something. Maybe by just insulting them back, the person I hold dear would feel some of the irritation relieved but if i did things would escelate." What if it's actually somewhat healthy to let loose once in a while, for the sake of your future psychological health? My biggest fear isn't about my masculinity being tested, but about someone close to me getting hurt, because when they get hurt, I get hurt too. If I stand there doing nothing because things could escalate, I'll feel much worse later than if I had actually fought back. Am genuinely asking bicause this is something that am always thinking about

[@MacabreStorytelling]

@@nathen9085 Words aren’t going to hurt. The dude stabbing you in the chest after you pick a fight with him most certainly will.

[@nathen9085]

@@MacabreStorytelling That wasn't my main point, I thought I even acknowledged what you said in my comment but regardless, Has this ever happened to you? I'm talking about a situation where a guy insulted someone you hold dear while they were present, and they got hurt because of it later that night. How you dealt with it?

[@MacabreStorytelling]

@@nathen9085 not personally but I can tell you for certain that if someone insulted my wife or something and I got into a fight with him she’d probably be pissed at me. She wouldn’t get mad at me because I didn’t. A woman who would get mad is probably not a woman you want to be with.

[@Jiujitsuspecialist]

Been struggling since that embrace masculinity vid.

[@MacabreStorytelling]

@@Jiujitsuspecialist sorry to hear man. Hopefully the new vids help you with your struggles 👍

[@bunathan2485]

The original road house is great

[@TobiasDaKing98]

Great video. Road House sort of has a reputation for being trash but I found it no more trashy & ridiculous than other Hollywood blockbusters that enjoy a better reputation. Thank you for articulating some of the things I intuitively liked about the movie and the character of Dalton. Btw the remake is in fact absolute trash.

[@grantmck9659]

Yeesh, Sam Neil out here looking like an absolute lothario 😮

[@xbulmiruwu6030]

I hope to see Thorfinn from Vinland Saga in this series.

[@shsnwksybdeb]

i really think that you should change the thumbnail to make it more eye catching or at least obvious it's a video done by you, cause i had no clue you uploaded this and i watch all of your uploads

[@dylanc5126]

Speak about Thorfinn gut and musashi Good example too

[@TheRayeZRevolution]

Bravo my dude.

[@iamkrohn]

Hey Mac. Have you looked into the Mythopoetics ?

[@thecowboy9698]

I believe Saint Paul gave some very poignant advice in harmony with the message of this video: "If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." - Romans 12:18. That doesn't mean not to defend yourself if attacked or your loved ones, but I believe it means to refuse to let yourself be controlled by your emotions because say someone insults you.

[@jayelyncunniff934]

Here from ur moms classroom !!!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@MacabreStorytelling]

@@jayelyncunniff934 tell her I love her ❤️

[@ringkunmori]

This film's legacy is carried solely by Peter Griffin from Family Guy

[@MD0K]

Are you de-escalating conflict son?

[@adamcahoon6362]

So.........are we getting an episode dedicated to Hank Hill?

[@jhonjacson798]

The big criticism I have for this lesson is simply the fact that it doesn't apply for most men, or at least... not the ones that have issues with their masculinity (I would argue that most of it comes down to just not having a girlfriend, not masculinity per se, but maybe that's just me projecting). Think about it, if you walk away, the other people are going to say that you backed down from the fight because you knew you were going to lose. Of course in the case of Dalton, this is clearly untrue, he's the man, he's buff, and he's killed before. Of course for a guy like Rambo, or even Rocky, being a pacifist in their everyday life is a sign of tremendous strength. But if you are NOT Rambo, or Rocky, or even fit in any way... then... it isn't. You refusing to fight isn't strength, it's the default state of affairs, because you have no choice (if you don't want to get the piss kicked out of you). It's easy to walk away from a fight, it genuinely takes a great amount of bravery for most people to willingly engage in a fight. This is especially true given the fact that most of the people that try to get their advice on how to be a man from people on the internet, have never been in a fight before. Not engaging in a fight is the logical move, but that doesn't make it the brave move, and hell it doesn't invalidate the idea that fear is the primary thing holding them back from engaging in a fight. Hell just look at the villain in megamind, Tighten, the moment he gets a large amount of power, he abuses it, despite the fact that he was non violent before (because he couldn't be violent). Overall this is a message that shows a path to true masculinity to those that already have strength... but most don't... so it's kind of useless. It also promotes the idea that to be a good man... or hell even a minimally acceptable man, you need to be not only jacked, but capable of beating people in a fight (and let's face it, usually people mean a fistfight). Not only does this, I think, promote the very same problem men have always had, the fact that they need to, essentially, be perfect in order to be of any value whatsoever, but it doesn't even necessarily make sense within traditional masculinity. Protection of one's loved ones is a value, but then by that logic, why not just have a taser on hand? Or pepper spray? Or a knife? Or any other weapon that, in most circumstances, is probably going to be MORE effective at protecting your loved ones than your bare fists. If the goal is protecting your loved ones, weapon's training is far more effective than boxing or martial arts is. But then compared to boxing and martial arts, weapon's training isn't sexy, and let's face it, at the end of the day, THAT is the point. Not protecting your loved ones from danger, but just giving off the visual impression that you can, because that's attractive.

[@MacabreStorytelling]

@@jhonjacson798 No as I say, being physically capable SHOULD be something any man should prioritize. This doesn’t mean you need to be super jacked or do roids, but simply be in decent shape. The whole joke in the movie is that Dalton really isn’t all that “big” of a guy, but he is still capable. L If you are weak and useless, then of course people aren’t going to respect you. Nor should they. Men don’t need to be “perfect”. This is just red pill cope dudes use to justify not improving themselves. Putting even in minimal effort into key aspects in your life will put you ahead of most men. The issue isn’t that the standards for men have risen it is simply that most men have become completely aimless losers.

[@jhonjacson798]

@@MacabreStorytelling So if you have a stable job, are independent, pay your taxes, make sane life decisions, are kind, and have things that you are passionate about, hell you could even go beyond that and do charity work on the weekends (not that most do, but just to show that even going above and beyond isn't enough), but nope, you can't casually kill things therefore you are a loser, and you're saying that men aren't supposed to be perfect? Incidentally I never said any standards changed, I'd go as far to say that the deck has been stacked against men (in this one specific regard, obviously men had more power in the past, but specifically in regards to the way society views the value of men) for far longer than just today, the idea that today is especially worse than any other time is just a lie that people peddle in order to sell reactionary politics. In fact in the age of liberalism people at the very least tolerate men that don't live up to crazy high standards, so that's a plus for the modern age, still feels patronizing when people call men that don't match the perfect model losers, or vilify them if they try to achieve the perfect model that society puts on them but do it poorly.

[@MacabreStorytelling]

No one said anything about killing anything. Bring in decent shape isn’t all that difficult, it just takes a minimal amount of discipline and self-control. You won’t respect yourself and others won’t respect you if you are fat or out of shape. Everything else you said about having a stable job and having things you are passionate about, this is just being a normal adult. It’s bare minimum. Not “perfect” as you say. Stop coping and put in the work.

[@jhonjacson798]

@@MacabreStorytelling Didn't say it was perfect. I was saying that even those things I mentioned aren't enough, you also need a myriad of other traits, including (but not limited to) being very fit, not decently fit but very fit. Being strong and skilled in combat enough so that you don't have to prove yourself by testing your combat skill isn't just "being fit" and if you aren't at that level then it isn't incorrect for people to label you a b word for walking away from a fight. People will say you walked away because you lacked the strength and skill to beat them, which in the case of action heros, is ridiculous. In the case of someone who doesn't have an action hero physique, it's not. Thus my point that at best the advice is either not applicable, or promotes reaching a crazy action hero physique as the goal everyone ought to have, which just sounds like standard red pill stuff, which is fine if that's what you're about but... You're not... So... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal thoughts that are somewhat outside the scope of the original video, feel free to ignore: Also my point with listing the other stuff is precisely to say that normal is ok, normal should be the foundation of self esteem. There's nothing wrong with someone doing their best and being a decent person. Nothing wrong with having goals either, but if achieving those goals is the difference between you being a loser and someone who is decent, mental health wise, that sounds like a recipe for toxic men, because the stakes are going to be high. Especially if the standard that is set for men is put very high in all sectors of life (thus me using the word, be perfect. It's a somewhat emotional way of saying that standards in all sectors of life are set to excellent and if you fall short, it's a problem that isn't allowed to exist). How can you blame guys for being toxic and wanting to, for example, get in fights, when being incapable of being in a fight is the difference between you being a loser and someone worth respecting? Maybe you don't think the value of fitness is found in being MORE fit than other people, maybe you don't think the ability to beat people to a pulp is the same as just being fit, but in this video you don't seem to delineate between the concepts in a way that doesn't pretty much necessitate the exact toxic masculinity that you criticize, except in the case of people with action hero physiques.

[@downsjmmyjones101]

I wanna see guys who really revolutionize masculinity but are also considered masculine. Are there depictions of guys who are vulnerable, supportive, emotive, and masculine?

[@MacabreStorytelling]

Absolutely. Tune in next ep 👍

[@downsjmmyjones101]

@@MacabreStorytelling I swear to god! If it's Aragorn or Samwise, I will burn every copy of LotR within a 5 mile radius of me.

[@mickeyhart7507]

Alright lads and ladies, list in the comments who was your media father-figure growing up! My biggest one, Johnathan Kent from Smallville. As for the end of Road House, I always took the lesson as: You gotta try and take the higher road as much as possible, for the sake of yourself more than others. That being said, sometimes an evil dick is an evil dick and people (the townsfolk who have been dealing with this fuckwit for years if not decades) have to do what they have to do to protect those they love - kind of like the real life town who all kept quiet about the murder of their own local 80s villian (that they almost all witnessed) who proved that he couldn't be stopped any other way.

[@MacabreStorytelling]

For me it was honestly sitcom dads: Danny, Jesse, and Joey from Full House, Floyd Henderson from Smart Guy, Alan, Mr. Turner, and of course Mr. Feeney from Boy Meets World.