Roasting my Viewers' Competitive Pokemon Hot Takes

[@pinkacross2042]

Thank you to all the brave viewers who submitted their takes! If you didn't get your take reviewed in this video, there will be another one! :]

[@Lucawee]

@@pinkacross2042 Where can we submit more? I have a couple more cooking

[@skylarfox_bmb]

what do you think of the idea of banning inaccurate sleep specifically? i never hear about spore causing problems, it's always hypnosis or sing or something. spore can be planned around with certainty, hypnosis will just kinda ruin your day sometimes it would seem counterintuitive to ban the worse moves but they're the ones causing issues

[@whyarewestillhere7073]

@@skylarfox_bmb Sleep was always a problem though. Before the sleep ban we had sleep clause to keep it in check. But the second can't be fully recreated when you play on catridge which has been a sore spot for some people. So even though I hate how amoogus was sacrificed in favor of darkrai it makes sence overall.

[@demi-femme4821]

"Sleep isn't OP, you can just run dry talk" has the same energy as "Double Team isn't OP, you can just run Aerial Ace."

[@rubengoldman5830]

Calyrex-Shadow is actually so easy to counter. Just bring Obstagoon

[@zigzag321go]

FEAR is a bad strategy, just run double kick.

[@usernametaken017]

​@@zigzag321goTerrakion speech bubble

[@TriTheGuy]

​@@zigzag321go ???

[@zigzag321go]

@@TriTheGuy Focus sash Endeavor quick Attack Rattata.

[@rambo171993]

"You underestimate the stall discord" is probably the most villanous and threatening line you could ever drop. As a stall player, I love it.

[@eeveewithcoffee9554]

I didn’t know they had a discord

[@Lucawee]

Tf you mean stall discord? Literally Saddam Hussain's den wtf

[@whydoiexist7029]

@@Lucaweeas someone in the discord youre not actually too far off

[@Brisingr26]

@@eeveewithcoffee9554 They also have a stall bible

[@aerinie6704]

this is like team rocket

[@sloowbroo]

the second take made me spit out my drink wtf

[@ninjax9675]

got beat by a stall team and immediately said "HOT TAKE WE SHOULD BAN BLISSEY"

[@Blazewheat]

@@ninjax9675 stall freaking sucks lmao

[@Pigismal]

​@@Blazewheat ngl I don't get the stall hate, I'm not even a stall player but it's really not that annoying besides the game just taking awhile, playing defensive isn't like some horrible crime or smth

[@J.aime_le_pain181]

people don't like it because it's super frustrating

[@sloowbroo]

@@J.aime_le_pain181 get good then idk what to say

[@m00tube4]

Low ladder is more frustrating, not harder. You play worse when the shenanigans start getting to you. It pigeonholes you into a mentality where you are constantly trying to defend greedy plays, and then lose to normal plays.

[@ardvark3131]

I mean low ladder is low for a reason but yeah, it can be frustrating. Some standout sets I've seen low ladder are mixed attacker indeedee-m(OU gen 8 iirc), min speed trick room gengar(nat dex mo monotype), and merciless all attacks pex(nat dex monotype). These can be annoying to deal with when u see them bc they take u by surprise but ultimately u should he beating ppl that use stuff like this more than they beat u bc it's low ladder bs

[@pinkacross2042]

I can agree with low ladder being more frustrating, yea.

[@marconavarrovilarroig6801]

Legit

[@graylyhen9490]

That's a you problem, aka a skill issue. Git gud

[@m00tube4]

@@graylyhen9490 gmcune is named after me :) you git gud

[@dimastha2929]

0:15 OU 1-2 restricted format 1:45 Banning Blissey, Clodsire and Dondozo 4:48 Palafin isn't broken in OU 6:02 Unban Annihilape 8:15 Kingambit should be in UU 9:53 Gen 8 has been the best in a while 11:02 Way too many metagames 12:24 Team builder shouldn't show tiers 14:32 Sleep isn't OP 17:08 Keldeo is good on Gen 9 18:04 If you don't participate in tournaments, you aren't making progress 20:34 Sleep Clause was a mistake 22:51 Zamasenta is fine in OU 24:30 Low Latter is harder than High Latter

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

Ah rip mine wasn’t in here. Hope we get a part 2

[@whyarewestillhere7073]

@@fulltimeslackerii8229 thats probably a good thing, meaning it wasn't stupid enough

[@eeveewithcoffee9554]

What even goes on in these people’s brains? Like I get sleep clause hate but everything else seems like people who don’t understand the game

[@pinkacross2042]

There will be more!

[@Brisingr26]

@@eeveewithcoffee9554 Damn, didn't have to call me out like that with my Keldeo take

[@Duckular]

10:03 nah you did not have to expose my prototype Venomoth team like that 😭

[@MintyTea_N]

you're cooked when i see you on ladder

[@pinkacross2042]

I respect the Venomoth... but I gotta get that background footage too m8

[@rabiithous3]

it’s on sight with you lil bro 😔

[@yusuf_ali610]

finally, i now know my opinion on all of these hot takes

[@MishKoz]

14:32 this gives off the same energy as people who go "why does smogon ban evasion moves? Have they never heard of aerial ace???"

[@Phychologik]

keldeo needs some love. It's movepool actually looks like it's straight out of gen 1. At least give it ice beam so it's not forced to use icy wind like jeez. I wish they gave him something in gen 9 so he can try to keep up with the power creep.

[@SplodgeOfChippy]

I agree, keldeo is one of my favourite Pokémon and it's sad to see it fall off, it got vacuum wave this gen but it still didn't really help

[@PranavGadge31]

Keldeo has shit movepool and no ability. What did my boy do wrong that arceus can't even give him ana ability.

[@pinkacross2042]

Yea Keldeo needs some help. Serious help. Thunderbolt and Ice beam at least.

[@justdominik9812]

GF isn't gonna do that because they balance around doubles and mythicals are banned there, so sadly I don't see them doing anything.

[@hodstrat3722]

the "sleep is fine just run dry talk" argument was so funny I might consider this take coming from a troll lmao. Ppl gotta understand the concept of unhealthy and centralizing pokemons/move(sets) more, which are the common arguments that lead to a ban in the first place

[@pinkacross2042]

Well-put! Maybe it was a troll.

[@whoiwanttobe5627]

​@@pinkacross2042 It was not . You did ask for hot takes and I knew that was one. I only regret not giving more examples, as everyone definitely disagrees with the dry talk take. I referenced gen 5 specifically because BW Ubers was the most fun competitive format for me of all time. Due to how strong gen 5 sleep was, you needed to run some sort of sleep counter on your team and I genuinely enjoyed playing against sleep. I 100% recall people running run dry talk on mons like Kyogre or Ho-Oh and to a lesser extent Guts Heracross. And I think switching out to reset your sleep counter so you can keep clicking sleep talk is a unique quirk of gen 5. Although dry talk is not the only counterplay. You could sleep sack a rest/talk mon, Manaphy/Chansey could shrug off the sleep with their abilities and also heal bell if someone else gets sleeped, and lum berry is a great item in general for any status. I liked sleep sacking something and being safe from sleep the rest of the match. Although that mon can't attack, it is still useful for scouting moves/set or sacking to get a free switch in on a revenge killer. And if I don't sack it, I did not mind playing down one mon because winning from a disadvantage feels incredibly satisfying.

[@blou1830]

It's like saying gun violence isn't a problem bc you could wear a bulletproof vest

[@StarfieldDisarray]

Was Revival Blessing Annihilape real? I always figured it was just a random novelty gimmick people would tire of after a week or two but the Ape got banned before that happened.

[@UninspiredAuthor]

In the beginning of the gen pawmot annihilape was common in ho

[@KitsuLovesU]

it was very much real

[@gregorymirabella1423]

i won a tour with it.

[@pinkacross2042]

Was it great, or consistent? No. But it was SUPER broken and it heavily limited ape counterplay.

[@gunnermartineau5837]

Clicking Scorching Sands not once, but TWICE into a balloon pokemon, and STILL managing to win is wild. 14:07

[@Lucawee]

Taunt rocks uturn and scorch, if they uturn they lose because they dont get the chip and bolt gets damaged

[@gunnermartineau5837]

@@Lucawee ahh this is a good point, I didn’t consider the moveset. Thanks for catching that.

[@pinkacross2042]

Yea, I was trying to sack Lando there and prevent switches, the Scorch into Balloon was optimal.

[@Phoenix-xh9cd]

Imagine Kingambit in UU 💀just imagine for 1 second and your head will explode

[@Phoenix-xh9cd]

Holy this comment was liked by pinkacross let’s go also ill just strengthen Kingambits image, 135 attack aka koraidons attack but higher when you take into consideration supreme overloads Kingambits bulk is 100 120 85 which is bulkier than (in terms of just combined stats) let’s see great tusk, landorus therian (including intimidate) and ties with raging bolt (obviously this isn’t exact but a rough bulk comparison) and too top it all off it has great typing including a stealth rock resistance and doesn’t care about sticky webs plus it has a 85 BP stab move and a great priority move plus has swords dance so after one swords dance it would probably ohko literally everything and anything in UU

[@tedbrouwer2831]

I personally could not disagree more with the "run dry talk and sleep is not broken" take. Now, maybe you could make an argument for sleep not beiing broken or good and I definetly do not think that every team would be completely unviable if they prepared for sleep with lum berry or an insomnia pokemon or anything alike, but the reason why I hate the argument is because this person claimed that sleep talk is a solution. HAS THIS PERSON EVER USED SLEEP TALK!? It almost never rolls the right move. I have used sleep talk on some rest sets and the amount of times that it just calls for rest is just as high as it is for picking the move you want. No hate to the person who had this opinion, I just wanted to share mine

[@pinkacross2042]

Yea, sleep talk isn't great.

[@limon16025]

That argument is basically "the solution to an rng element that can either win or lose you the game is to add even more rng that can either win or lose you the game". Like, sure, if sleep talk calls close combat against Darkrai you beat it. But what if it calls a resisted move, does like 20% and Darkrai KOs you next turn? It's just never gonna work consistently.

[@dhruvhosali2416]

I’m pretty sure the person who made that comment was making it as engagement bait, it seems a little too outrageous to be an actual opinion

[@Victoria3WorldConquerer]

I can't believe I missed this chance to submit Latios being as good as Dragapult. I'll just have to pay more attention next time.

[@pinkacross2042]

Lol theres no way you believe that

[@Victoria3WorldConquerer]

@@pinkacross2042 I do. I wrote an entire 781 word post about it in fact. Well the post was actually about why Latios is good but I put a section about Dragapult in there.

[@duvox23]

That tournament take really stuck with me. Ladder is a really tough and inconsistent place to play. I play gen 8 ou so it’s a little easier for me to build, and the sample size is exponentially smaller, but those low ladder games are almost entirely matchup fishing, leading me to believe that is a common experience for that commenter. I play those teams and either win 6-0 or lose 6-0. It happens. As soon as you get to high ladder you really see that difference. I went from playing a semistall team with a wp hawlucha and getting swept to playing a top 100 player and winning. It’s just as inconsistent as tournaments unless you play gen 9, and gen 9 is chaos either way, so I do see where that person was coming from, or at least part of their take.

[@whyarewestillhere7073]

How is ladder inconsistent? I mean I could probably beat pinka in a turnament if I get a good matchup, 1 or 2 hard reads and lucky rng but I could never get to the top of ladder

[@jzplr]

24:31 I think there is a modicum of truth to this take, although like 80% of it is bogus. Low ladder players run nonsensical teams with nonsensical techs, and running a balanced/bulkier team which is comfortable playing the long game gives many turns for their nonsensical tech to hit. However, terribly built teams are also particularly vulnerable to getting annihilated by hyper offense wincons like Gouging Fire and Roaring Moon. I spam bulky offense and balance myself because it is my favorite team style, but any time I am below the 1650s or so I spam hyper offense to farm Elo. It is better to just cut through the garbage as fast as possible than to run a slower team that gives breathing room for their Tera Ice Breloom to hit.

[@pinkacross2042]

Yea for sure, BS will always happen sometimes in low ladder, but it's generally way easier than higher ladder as one would expect.

[@jzplr]

@@pinkacross2042 For sure, but when going for reqs I'm never loading BO in the 1300s lol. Too much risk.

[@modestlatios5553]

Stall players thinking of new ways to avoid getting a job and going outside at #2:

[@OMalleyTheMaggot]

Stall players aren't losers, they are cheerful sociopaths. The kind of person who puts on a facade as a total sweetheart but will stab you in the back with a smile. Or, you know, loads up a glorious ladder like Gen 5 or 7 with nasty, filthy, basic stall. Sociopath behavior. When you actually talk to stall players they act all cute and shit but it's an act.

[@patricksimmons8117]

I got a hot take for ya, we should ban booster energy (mainly I just wanna see what happens but I can make a bad faith argument that it's over centralizing or something)

[@GeniusTrainer720]

I agree

[@brady2587]

w honesty tbh

[@pinkacross2042]

I disagree but yea it might be interesting

[@Nako3]

I would love to have OU without Tera format. Not like removing Tera from our current OU format, more like having 2 separate formats. Also I think para is way more broken than sleep.

[@pinkacross2042]

I addressed your first take early in the video. As for para being more broken than sleep, I disagree due to ground/elec types being immune to para (with the exception of glare and stun spore for grounds). Sleep has almost no immunes.

[@Nako3]

@@pinkacross2042 That is true. But being para'd feels so awful. I would have no problem if it would only lower speed, even by 2 stages but the fact that you can completely be paralized and give the opponent free turns just feels so much worse to me than being asleep.

[@masterrdf418]

No disrespect but for the first take, all you really did was criticize the fact that it’d be a new format. You didn’t actually talk about what the mode could look like or why it wouldn’t be competitively healthy. I’m not saying I would agree or disagree but I just think it would’ve been more fair for you to actually talk about the take itself and not just acknowledge that it’d be another new format cause then that logic can be said about any new format proposal.

[@pinkacross2042]

I suppose I could've clarified more-- I don't oppose all new metagames, I strongly oppose more OU variants-- especially one so odd and similar.

[@demi-femme4821]

I mean, I think anybody who actually plays Smogon can understand why Übers are blanket banned rather than restricted like in VGC. Like, if I have to explain to you that letting Koraidon run around in OU is a bad idea, maybe you just don't know enough about Smogon to have any opinions on it.

[@justaliljello5198]

​@@demi-femme4821but it is not "koraidon running around in ou". It's a restricted format similar to the official one that I'd wager got the op who asked interested in smogon. Like you said to someone new to the site it probably isn't very obvious at all. Don't get why we don't just answer the question instead of shaming for ignorance. Anyway, if anyone that is actually curious still wants the answer, as a seperate game mode it's probably not the worst but the issues pink brings up is why it doesn't exist as one. If you're wondering why it can't replace the current ou format, it is because it would change the way tiering works entirely to be "how well does X mon work against the brokens" vs just "how well does X mons work" which I assure you is significantly less fun especially carrying across a generation as opposed to yearly/seasonally in vgc.

[@cultofmel]

I don't think this is a hot take, but I would like to mention it anyway: I don't think sleep was OP, I think *inaccurate* sleep was OP. Things like Breloom or Amoonguss using Spore were annoying at times, sure, but they weren't unhealthy for the metagame. It was inaccurate sleep users like Iron Valiant, Darkrai, etc. that were causing problems. I also believe that inaccurate sleep moves are to a degree inherently unhealthy. Imagine a situation where you make a switch against a Darkrai predicting a hypnosis, and you predict correctly and it does click hypnosis... and misses. You made the correct play, but because your opponent missed their move, they can now choose to not click hypnosis on your sack and sleep something else instead due to sleep-clause not activating. These situations are why I believe inaccurate sleep is inherently unhealthy for a metagame.

[@pinkacross2042]

That's an interesting take, I could see trying that out. The variation of 1-3 turns still isn't great but it'd be a major improvement from all the random stuff throwing out Sing and Hypnosis.

[@axlr8deathpls294]

​@@pinkacross2042The only non-hypnosis sleep abuser that was ever a problem was hisuian lilligant, the rest of the overpowered sleep abusers used hypnosis and maybe sing. Also I'm pretty sure one of the main arguments for banning sleep was similar to OP's explanation. Sleep was banned because it was uncompetitive and luck based citing sleep abusers like iron valiant and darkrai. Imo inaccurate sleep should have been banned, the main issue with sleep was the fact that gamefreak balances spore and sleep powder distribution but gives hypnosis to half the pokedex. Aside form hisuian lilligant, other sleep abusers were mostly balanced especially the sleep powder quiver dance mons like venomoth and vivillon and the spore users like breloom and amoonguss, all got a huge portion of their kit gutted because of hypnosis' insane distribution.

[@_wysp_]

gen 8 take was so real, I'd do anything to go back to swsh

[@addchannelname2052]

then play gen 8 ou

[@pinkacross2042]

​@@addchannelname2052Smaller player base, little to no YT content, inactive ladder. You can't just "play it." The era is gone.

[@Poonda-ju8xe]

@@pinkacross2042I still play gen 8. Gen 8 is just so balanced compared to gen 9. Less OP nonsense.

[@SageSpikeX]

you and me both bro, just beautiful mons

[@Joeyisagonnawin]

I always thought Electric was one of the best offensive types. It's the reason why running a Ground type is the default.

[@pinkacross2042]

Ground types are mandatory because of Volt Switch and (to a lesser extent) Thunderclap. Electric isn't amazing offensively, bad against Grass, Dragon, and Electric and Ground being immune isn't so great.

[@nelsonrivas2011]

Blissey looks like it ate spaghetti and is trying to lick the residue tomato sauce in its face in the thumbnail

[@LycopokySlimesy]

My brain melted as soon as i saw "Gambit is a UU Mon" and "Annihilape can be retested", i like this video but damn did not expect takes like that Also, i think a better fix for the teambuilding hot take at around the 14 minute mark is just show all the tiers, but a seperate one where it is a lower tier but still viable so it could encourage more usage of these lower tier mons Like OU mons there, UU mons, but on OU list you can see UU/RU/more tiers where those mons are viable in OU and which ones are not

[@whydoiexist7029]

if it makes u feel ang better i was half joking about my take

[@pinkacross2042]

Problem there is, you'd still have repeat pokemon on the scroll list. And then if you TELL them what's viable and what's not, you're just adding another creative limit. There are probably pokemon not on the "viable list" that are viable that are now even more likely to be ignored.

[@applesaucething]

Alternative title: Average day in the PS! OU room

[@pinkacross2042]

for real LOL

[@balisticemerald8512]

ngl I feel Sleep could come back if u ban the inaccurate moves. Like, if u have a Spore user that thing is designed with Spore in mind. Brute Bonnet for example has it's speed designed in a way so that it barely misses out on the +Speed boost for example. Compound Eyes Sleep Powder is only given to crappy bugs and even then it's competing with a different ability etc. Like the broken part isn't really the Sleep but how it's balanced around inaccuracy. Such a powerful effect shouldn't be up to chance. Precedent would be the OHKO clause which notably only bans OHKO moves balanced around accuracy. Destiny Bond and Perish Song are being left alone despite being OHKO Now where accurate starts and ends is a different beast. You could either go the simple approach and ban anything that isn't fully accurate. Or you could be a little bit more permissive and do the cutoff at "chance of two hits should be above 50% without considering modifiers". I prefer the former but the latter has it's merits since you have mons that are balanced with Sleep Powder in mind

[@pinkacross2042]

That's an interesting idea, banning certain sleep moves could perhaps be palatable? At the same time, there's still the 1-3 turns which is a big deal.

[@TanatatKnight246]

I've met some dedicated stall players, and they will not stop. Ever.

[@CuddlyTheMadElite]

The first hot take was just Godly Gift but without the stat sharing mechanic.

[@vala32]

"Limit the amount of legendaries to 2". Ah yes balancing according to L O R E. I do think there is a case for wanting to take action against stall. I think the argument is similar to the one used to ban Baton Pass: it's very frequently a hard-core match-up fish. Hard Stall can't tech for every match up; it tends to either auto-win or auto-lose depending on if the team happened to be countered in the builder or not. Even a well built team with a good pilot might cover 90% of stall match ups and still just take the L against the 10% variant they're not covered for. I consider both cheesy and unhealthy, but the issue is that Baton Pass could easily be solved by tiering policy, whereas stall can't. Though I suppose Boots could be tested. I think there's also some discussion to be had about freelo fishing on low-medium ladder by getting auto-forefeits from people who have better things to do that sit there and be PP stalled for 2 hours. Honestly I think that sort of experience does also contribute to pushing people out of Smogon singles and into VGC doubles.

[@wisbilt1650]

The first suggestion already exists its just called "The Kalos Region"

[@GodzillaFreak]

Ohko has become part of how gamefreak balances singles and should be fully legal

[@pinkacross2042]

wow that's a hot take for sure

[@jimkas3606]

What you said about thinking about positioning instead of trying to predtict your opponent was eye opening for me. Trying to predict my opponent was exactly how I play and I think it's a big reason why I lost a good amount of games to not just low ladder menaces, but normal players too

[@pinkacross2042]

It's a very common mistake, good luck improving! :]

[@Lucid_Coffee]

I hate sleep in pokemon, both using it and facing it, but I still wonder if it really deserved a ban. RNG is an integral part of pokemon after all. A huge part of improving as a player is learning how to better manage it, and i felt it was annoying but manageable with sleep clause (not sleep ban). Plus, by banning it, you could make an argument for banning OHKO moves, then moves that have secondary effects, etc etc

[@ezzzzyyy]

My hot take is that smogon loves stall

[@pinkacross2042]

wrong

[@coolitten4937]

Prediction and strategy don't matter when I get flinched 5 times in 6 turns

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

Sorry if this is a silly question but what makes CM keldeo bad but bulk up palafin good? Is it just the higher attacking stats? The stabs/base powers of moves are roughly the same so the damage outputs is actually similar, is it that drain punch provides recovery? Is it the priority? Keldeo does get aqua jet.

[@TheKyubiisaan]

Palafin is like Slaking tier attack stat, also the priority.

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

@@TheKyubiisaansacred sword of a 130 sp atk is similar than a 60 bp drain punch off a 160 atk stat assuming the mon has equal defenses.

[@pinkacross2042]

Palafin has way better stats, priority, and healing via Drain Punch. Also mono-water is better defensively than Water Fighting for a setup pokemon. If Keldeo's water move had priority and it's Sacred Sword healed, it would be absolutely busted.

[@dream_weaver6207]

I think that it's best for new players to mostly stick to OU mons in teambuilding. Just bringing 6 good OU pokemon with any level of synergy is already enough to beat the low ladder players who really want to make their favourite three RU mons work. To be fair, I mostly play ADV so in gen 9 it's genuinely possible that there are some real gems down in UU or RU that just haven't been discovered yet. Still, tiers exist for a reason. If a pokemon isn't OU, it has some very significant flaws holding it back which need to be accounted for in teambuilding. Using any more than 2 non-OU pokemon will inevitably result in an objectively bad team. UU mons aren't being used because they're underrated, they're being used because they fill a very specific nieche and their shortcomings are being adequately compensated for by their teammates

[@pinkacross2042]

I agree with most of this! I'd say there's no harm in new players experimenting with lower-tier pokemon though, low tier or high tier mons, the teams will still be pretty bad if they're built by a new player (usually).

[@virgiebabie6903]

(I mainly play Gen 3 OU, not Gen 9, but) I think there’s honestly a bit of nuance to the low ladder limbo take, at least in my own experience. While I’m sure it’s not *harder*, it certainly can feel like it’s harder to actually learn more meaningful information about the tier early on. Of course, after a certain point, Ninjask BP to Marowak doesn’t get you as much as it did at one point, but getting out of that hole is way more difficult for beginner/intermediate players when they’re constantly getting tossed by both TSS teams and lead Jynx teams. (Again, Gen 3 examples cause that’s in my most recent memory, but same principle.)

[@martienvandenbroek5580]

"Kyurem needs to go" Thank you

[@pinkacross2042]

yessir

[@anthonymonaco280]

Keep this for the next hot take video. Xerneas would have gone to AG if it was in Gen 9

[@pinkacross2042]

With Tera blast? Yes, maybe.

[@anthonymonaco280]

@@pinkacross2042 which do you think it would have used best?

[@pinkacross2042]

@@anthonymonaco280 Probably Ground.

[@anthonymonaco280]

@@pinkacross2042 I was thinking that or fire. Too bad we won't see the deer until Z-A

[@Mepphy99]

Darkrai and Ogerpon-W being in the look out is still funny

[@Loris71734]

The second take is just so completely bad there are more things wrong about it that you didn’t say. The first line “I don’t see a valid reason for no ban in blissey, closire, and dondozo” is just so wild to say and the most important stupid thing about this take is that they just blatantly aren’t ban worthy. Stall isn’t over powered and neither are these 3. And then they said the whole reason for tiers/bans is to allow more viable options which is also wrong and a misconception. The amount of viable mons doesn’t mean anything for how competitive a tier is

[@GeniusTrainer720]

Well it's just we want fast phase metagame

[@Gold_Gamer_100]

My takeaway from the people who hate stall is that despite the fact that stall was kicked in the balls multiple times, and still is thanks to stuff like wellspring being here they still want to nerf it further! I'm far from stall's strongest soldier, but most stall complaints just read like sour grapes and cope

[@ktbmk]

@@GeniusTrainer720 it exists its called VGC and BSS. 6v6 singles will never be fast paced unless you want all games being HO mirrors

[@GeniusTrainer720]

@@ktbmk man u don't understanding some people dont like doubles

[@Lucawee]

​@@Gold_Gamer_100I am stall strongest hater (Just boring to play against) So getting blissey banned would be an W for me, I hope it's not in gen 10, sableye doesn't come back, and it's still nerfed

[@brandonedwards6119]

Tera has negatively warped OU since day 1 and everyone knows it. If Dynamax did not get banned Tera would have been gone before the DLC.

[@pinkacross2042]

agreed, NOT a fan of Tera

[@josemanuelromeroperez5112]

Agree. Tera is what makes a LOT of mons unhealthy.

[@NeoFlame17]

The first take is a format, but an OM. It's called Godly Gift, and you're allowed one uber mon.

[@pinkacross2042]

Oh cool! Didn't know something so close already existed.

[@maxhadanidea]

@@pinkacross2042 the main gimmick of the format is that one of the stats of your restricted mon is copied onto one other pokemon depending on that pokemon's slot in the team

[@AndrewRKenny]

IDK which opinion here I disagree with the most but the tournament one made me the most upset lol (and I love tournaments). Respect to everybody for submitting and putting their names out there. Interesting to see the beliefs that different people (ostensibly) hold in earnest.

[@pinkacross2042]

Yes indeed, the applicants were brave! I respect them as well, although not their opinions lol

[@Clonedge]

the 2nd take is so fucking wild, like if those 3 were banned the wallbreakers that WERE banned coming back would just make the tier way worse to play, shit like palafin and chien pao would have an even easier time breaking through mons like dozo

[@tobigrantlbart]

The thing is no we shouldn't just axe fringe formats. I don't really like the standard format, OU hasn't been my thing since like Gen 7. However I absolutely love the fringe formats, I like playing metagames were we have mons that would never see the light of day in OU go rampant I don't get how it would make OU more competitive, because I think people would just not play

[@pinkacross2042]

It would make OU more competitive because a lot of OM players would be funneled into the OU metagame. One does not simply stop playing...

[@GabuGaming]

Seeing Moltres Skyrocket in usage is insane to me, it was present in almost every replay of the video. Also on 5:45, I'm glad I'm not alone in this, Zamazenta being allowed in OU never sat right with me.

[@modestlatios5553]

That tournament quote kinda reads like this: "It doesn't matter if you're a doctor and have a PhD from grad school, if you didn't take the SAT or ACT or any of the pretests or pretest courses back in high school, you're not actually smart and you learned nothing." Actual room temperature IQ take.

[@Time_looper]

as an old gen player i need to talk about the you wont progress outside of tournament point . even if its maybe not true in cg because of the wider player pool but in old gens playing only ladder will give one bad habbits and also wont prep you for the entire meta or over prep you for some specific parts of the meta this doesnt mean that one cant become ok to good only trough ladder but tours should be an part of your jorney as an old gen player, as they will teach you about difrent parts of the meta, help you determine if you got bad habits in the tier and also make some general fundamentals much easier to learn . but the most importnent part of becoming better in old gens isnt if you play ladder or tour its to use the years of rescorces that acumulated in those gens and ask for advice from the players with more experinece in the tier

[@redwarrior118]

Wish they gave sleep a proper chance. I felt that sleep ban caused alot of people to turn away from gen 9 OU due to how hastily done it was.

[@pinkacross2042]

I don't know of a single person who stopped playing SV OU due to the sleep ban. I'm sure it happened to at least one person, but I haven't seen any indication of lower participation post-sleep ban.

[@crish4172]

​​@@pinkacross2042At a personal level, sleep ban made my dear Breloom useless, but I can understand is not a general problea

[@yesman2473]

Hot take: I would love to see a bloodmoon retest, I know is strong but it has many answers and its really slow

[@pinkacross2042]

Many answers? What's answering Tera Poison? Nothing much has changed since it was tested and it got the highest ban percentage EVER I'm pretty sure. Bloodmoon is the absolute last Mon I would ever give a retest to.

[@pikapac2281]

if almost any ability didnt exist id literally never play singles tbh

[@Beemo_666]

Mostly agree with you, but I didnt see a problem with Annihilape and Palafin, both got destroyed by a standard avalugg set, but I mean thats true for every other pokemon aswell. I´ll only stop commnting about Avalugg, when we see a full Avalugg OU video. I mean do you all realize, that you can win vs Iron Crown, if u run a AV mirror coat set? Its insane how strong my little ice floe is

[@pinkacross2042]

Yea avalugg is busted for sure

[@Harmless_Music]

while I agree that drytalk is not a good argument in favor of sleep, I think sleep was, and still is, fairly balanced overall by being mostly consistent with slower and/or frailer Pokemon (Breloom Spore comes to mind first and foremost). Darkrai and Val completely turning games into coinflips with Hypnosis and running away with the game thanks to free sleep turns was almost entirely a Rai/Val issue, alongside with their sleep move of choice being super inconsistent (which in turn leads to very frustrating scenarios for both the opponent and the Rai/Val user). this is just the opinion of a Breloom supremacist though, so make of that what you will edit: now that I think about it, Hypnosis sucks to fight against in general, let alone use. I think Hypnosis is the worst culprit on the whole sleep debacle, not anything else (also Darkrai is super cancer to fight)

[@pinkacross2042]

I'd be down to ban rai, ban hypnosis, then see what happens

[@anthonyliccardo2866]

Isn't the first take just godly gift

[@graylyhen9490]

You shot down the Palafin unban then started sneeding and coping about a ton of great healthy Mons

[@pinkacross2042]

I recall saying it should be tested, odd how you call shooting down. As for you thinking my banlist is "great" and "healthy..." wow, that's foolish.

[@gillriet773]

"Blissey has only one niche" ok maybe thats true but I have a full spA Serene Grace Blissey that runs Gravity, Life Dew, Water Pulse, and Thunder, supports mostly on rain teams and messes up whatever doesnt kill it 😅

[@tashriba]

Is nobody going to talk about the Scorching Sands Lando-T in the background footage?? Especially when it clicks Scorching Sands against a Kingambit with an Air Balloon twice in a row

[@pinkacross2042]

I did that because I wanted Landorus to die, so I could safely set up with Raging Bolt. My set is U-turn, Taunt, Sr, Scorching Sands, so it was optimal to use Scorching Sands to sack Lando while also covering my opponent switching.

[@tashriba]

​@@pinkacross2042 That makes sense, but why are you running Scorching Sands on Lando-T?

[@oscen335]

​@tashriba lando-t special isn't garbage and i think its to bypass zamazentas defense raises and scorching just has a helpful secondary effect

[@tashriba]

@@oscen335 Makes sense

[@Eddie_Enfer]

the second guy, the stall guy maybe didn't knew what happened to truly broken stall teams like those that had dugtrio in past metagames, they just adapted Stall is extremely annoying , but isn't exactly broken every time

[@petrie911]

Stealth Rock shoukd have been banned in 4th gen and never looked back.

[@theclew47]

Hot Take: Brute bonnet in sun is about as threatening as Kingambit

[@pinkacross2042]

I'd have to disagree. It needs Tera to be an offensive threat, Gambit doesn't.

[@Schwitzig996]

What I really hate about lowladder is 1900+ players on new accounts.

[@MiaoNya]

So, Smurfing?

[@pinkacross2042]

Yea, not sure there's a good workaround but if you need a new ALT you've gotta start at 1000.

[@pocketvices]

I've been following since your interview with jimothy cool, I didn't follow smogon before but it's been cool to learn about. I've sweaty gamer'd money/consoles from a few tournaments in a few genres.. i jus wanna say smogon is HARD AF 🤣 ill be a chess gm before being good in showdown/vgc and I've played every gen pokemon. I respect yall and that it's a funny community. A lot of "ranked" communities across genres are painfully boring or toxic. I wish singles was a format at Worlds this year the team variations would be interesting to watch.. Not to detract any from vgc jus ... calyrex glacial lance

[@pinkacross2042]

Thanks for the kind comment! :D

[@catandfishfc]

I will use different teams in low ladder than high ladder to blast through the weird stuff

[@JoyDaBeast]

If i remember correctly, LusterSN has a video (or a few) about using keldeo in OU and having great success. Not sure how high on the ladder it was but i domt think it was very low

[@pinkacross2042]

I'd like to see this video, until I do I can't believe Keldeo performed well.

[@JoyDaBeast]

@@pinkacross2042 he has 3 keldeo videos- 1) This Mamoswine Core Has NO Counters! 2) Using The BEST Keldeo Moveset! 3) Keldeo Rain Is BACK In The Indigo Disk! number 3 has the funny bridge pokemon so idk if it counts cuz ban. but still, seems to be actually doing well with it

[@josemanuelromeroperez5112]

​@@pinkacross2042ok that's it I'm taking keldeo to top 1

[@kodar98]

Im aware youre not taking more takes but I'd love to hear an opinion because this has haunted me for a while now... From someone who watches and doesn't play it seems pretty frustrating the amount of otherwise close and even games be decided (or heavily influenced) early on by massive crits, other hax notwithstanding. Therefore I think it'd be interesting to start each game with crits turned off by default, and give either player the ability at any time to click a button which reenables them for the remainder of the game. Again I'm Im entirely disconnected but has this been discussed at all? Because apart from being a change from base game mechanics, it seems to me like being able to disregard a big source of game-deciding hax in the early game would only benefit the better players. Would love feedback! Although possibly hold onto this for the next video, and hopefully I'll see the community note :)

[@pinkacross2042]

Good question. Yes, hax often changes the outcome of games. That being said, oftentimes you can overcome hax by superior play. Most games lost due to hax were ACTUALLY lost due to hax and not optimal playing. Turning off one aspect of luck is an odd choice. Why not turn off everything then? Flinch chances, status chances?

[@kodar98]

To me it seems crits are separate from secondary effects in that having a low odds secondary effect on a move only benefits the player running said move, and probably part of why they ran it to begin with. Crits seem an example of hax that can sometimes be an unwanted and detrimental impact to both players in an otherwise close positional game. I'm happy to be told off though, and I'm not oblivious to the fact that playing around crits is a skill!

[@AndrewRKenny]

I got a Kraft ad right after you read the Keldeo opinion and the ad started with "a lot of people doubted me, but I believed" lmfao. That's where I'm at in the video rn and so far I disagree with every take except the Palafin one.

[@pinkacross2042]

LOL

[@Mach_Knight]

the typing range in gen 9 is so diverse it makes team building hell. dry talk is a crazy cope.

[@pinkacross2042]

Yea, nobody can afford to run Sleep Talk

[@turtle_7777]

wtf is proto speed raging bolt from the first game

[@pinkacross2042]

Yea that was pretty wild

[@xelementalsupreme9308]

Funnily enough, low ladder is the place where you can throw the dumbest type of cheese and get rewarded by it, like I usedto do in the first months of gen 9 ou with tera fighting ID Body Press Salt Cure Recover Garganacl

[@atropa.belladonna]

Insult to clodsire in only second take... idk if i can surviev this vid...

[@wezen89]

I do agree that Gen 8 team building is more fun than Gen 9, and it's entirely because Gen 9 building is annoying af, since you have to counter all of the threats in the tier. (Speaking as a lower-mid ladder player)

[@pinkacross2042]

Yea G8 building was the BEST

[@z-leigh6554]

Hot take; we should have policies that allow the banning of moves, rather than just pokemon. Rage fist and last respects are obviously too much, not the pokemon they're on. Some people try to use an argument saying that once you start, there'll be people wanting to ban every annoying move, but there are certain moves which are obviously unhealthy and too much, and there's (somewhat related) precident with the one hit ko moves. This would also open up things like getting rid of scald (which is an absolute menace of a move) and hypnosis (or other options deemed extremely unhealthy) Secondary take: Institute a paralysis clause. We already have a feeze clause and a sleep clause. Paralysis, especially in the early gens, can be incredibly stifling.

[@TheSocialZombie]

1. We already have examples of banned moves. Last Respects and Shed Tail were banned in SV OU. Baton Pass is banned pretty much in some capacity everywhere. And it hasn’t caused a cry for banning every annoying move in the game. 2. I’m guessing the reason why paralysis clause isn’t a thing is because the effect of preventing a Pokémon from moving is luck-based and not just what the status effect does. And if the reason for a paralysis ban is the fact that it halves Speed, the argument could be made for burns to be banned since they half Attack.

[@z-leigh6554]

@@TheSocialZombie The clause would definitely be because of the luck based nature of paralysis. As for your point in 1, I think that I probably didn't do enough research, but at the same time, it does make it even stranger that they banned Annhilape instead of rage fist, despite how good it was.

[@TheSocialZombie]

@@z-leigh6554 I think at first whenever they banned moves, they banned the Pokémon that had those moves before a new option was introduced that also had that move, so it would be easier to just ban the move rather than ban all Pokémon with that move (and also some Pokémon are only broken because of that move) I think with rage fist Primeape hasn’t been an issue even with rage fist as an option and the only other user was Annihilape, which was broken with the move, so it got banned instead of the move itself since it’s the only relevant Pokémon with the move. Now if Rage Fist was given to other Pokémon and it turned out to be broken on them, then there would be reason for banning Rage Fist. Also for the paralysis thing again, I think it’s just cause the wider Smogon council (which is often made up of experienced players) hasn’t found enough of an issue with paralysis to warrant its ban.

[@pinkacross2042]

Rage Fist wasn't banned because Primeape gets it and it's not very good. Banning rage fist JUST for ape would be balancing the pokemon itself, which is generally not a good idea since there's no hard line as to where that balancing would end.

[@Brisingr26]

252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Dragapult: 189-223 (59.6 - 70.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (still 50% min if not -spdef) 252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 67-79 (20.7 - 24.4%) -- guaranteed 5HKO (41.4-48.8 without multi scale up) 252 SpA Choice Specs Tera Fighting Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Clodsire: 206-243 (44.4 - 52.4%) -- 21.5% chance to 2HKO (been running tera fighting, water might be better though idk) 252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Alomomola: 249-293 (46.6 - 54.8%) -- 64.5% chance to 2HKO (max physdef) 252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Alomomola: 247-292 (46.2 - 54.6%) -- 59% chance to 2HKO (max spdef) 252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 240+ SpD Slowking-Galar: 183-216 (46.4 - 54.8%) -- 62.1% chance to 2HKO 252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 80 HP / 0 Def Primarina: 132-156 (41.1 - 48.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO (av set, guaranteed 2hko with tera) I’d argue that they don’t wall it particularly well, some switch in once, but overall, they have a tough time IF you predict them well because yk specs. "If you've done relatively well with it, you are probably playing in very low ladder" Damn didn't have to call me out like that. I'm low ladder in SVOU (rarely play it) and in SVNDOU, I peaked at like #27 on ladder iirc. But ndou ladder kinda sucks tbh. Source: trust me bro

[@pinkacross2042]

Not sure what's going on in NatDex, but if this ever performs well in SV OU, please let me know. Thanks for submitting your take and being a good sport! :]

[@Brisingr26]

@Pinkacross Thanks for including it in the vid! I only rarely play SV OU, but I might try build and ladder with some sort of specs keld team and shoot you a couple replays if I get to a decent-ish point on ladder. Might be kinda tough since I don’t know the meta nearly as well as nd, but I’m more than willing to try for my boy keld lol

[@jertsi]

Fun video! Insane takes on there😂

[@pinkacross2042]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@davie7670]

Hot takes doesn't mean stupid takes

[@pinkacross2042]

It sometime does LOL

[@gregorymirabella1423]

I'm personally down for anything that makes stall worse but I know I'm not getting anything like that any time soon.

[@chops6554]

The first take would be an interesting OM though not a whole ladder on its own

[@andrewhoang3113]

The person that wanted to ban clod blissey dondozo is def a HO player

[@pinkacross2042]

Possibly, maybe just inexperienced. Stall is broken if you're not at a certain level.

[@JoeSmith-db4rq]

12:23 (reworking team builder to not show each mon’s tier) not-so-hot response: that’s just a skill issue. To be blunt, the people that are so narrow-sighted as to only look at OU mons are likely inexperienced and/or aren’t the people that will be making meta-defining teams. Anyone with experience should be able to avoid that pitfall. You could argue it for newer players, but it’s likely better for them to see what’s in the top available tier since they don’t know better and likely won’t know how to find the power rankings. Also - totally agree with what pinkacross said. No changes needed!!!

[@neat4217]

Mfs be setting up sun with some of these takes 😭

[@pinkacross2042]

for real, shoulda brought my Charizard

[@jaykovar8231]

I've been out of the loop of competitive pokemon for a while, so forgive me, but one thing about the sleep ban that boggles my mind: Taking the step of banning an entire mechanic, one that offered numerous mons a niche, due to rng variance seems very strange to me when crits and freezes also exist and ruin games. So the difference is that you can play into sleep in a way you can't with freeze and crits? Okay, I get it, but why not ban freeze as well anyway? (crits i can understand being an unpleasant necessity) Just curious about the reasoning, as the 'we don't want to fundamentally change how the game is played' ship seems to have sailed a long time ago

[@oscen335]

You can't just freeze somebody on command, and there isn't a move that freezes the opponent, just a secondary chance. Crits are accessible to literally every pokemon and defense boosting stall goes crazy once crits are banned

[@benjaminh.5690]

11:06 yeah this one I get, sometimes no one is playing certain ladders anymore. I loved BDSP RU, fun as hell tier with the right amount of offensive and defensive strategies (other than Exploud lol). Wish it wasn’t gone but it sometimes took over an hour to find a game

[@pinkacross2042]

RIP BDSP RU, glad to hear it was a good meta while it lasted

[@Saltyape0]

8:41 I just wanted to point out (and obviously you already know this) that kingambit’s great bulk and typing is what allows it to sweep 95% of the time, so yes a super frail kingambit would be shit as a an overall mon and also as a sweeper

[@pinkacross2042]

Yea, I was discussing a theoretical situation in which it only has its bulk when trying to sweep-- not a very well-explained idea, but that was the concept.

[@Saltyape0]

@@pinkacross2042 ah i see thanks, also great video!

[@weesticles650]

I really don't get people wanting to ban Pokémon just to make Stall weaker. Stalls already not the strongest it's ever been this Gen and it's in no way overly restricting in the teambuilder so it's far from hard to consider when building teams. It's not broken, it's just annoying, and I find it dumb that to some people something just being annoying is banworthy. Also the tier would be worse off without Dozo, Clod and Bliss because it'd be way way harder to check physical and special sweepers.

[@pinkacross2042]

Yea it's a very annoying matchup-fish, and by far the easiest playstyle, so hating it makes sense, but it's not very strong-- wanting to ban stall mons / nerf stall is insanity.

[@icyscream355]

unban pala has always been weird to me, because if you look at ubers uu, pala has never dropped below b rank, despite wisp giratina having 30% usage at one point, palkia-o being the best mon in the meta at one point, zama-c being incredible, arc grass & dragon being incredible. palafin has to deal with a lot more much scarier checks, and is still an excellent mon, so the thought of wisp pult holding it back is laughable

[@C0n0li0]

What are your opinions on retesting Annihilape but keeping rage fist banned?

[@pinkacross2042]

Kinda bad. Rage Fist isn't broken inherently, Primeape has it and it's not great. You could do it I suppose but I'm generally against complex bans.

[@C0n0li0]

@@pinkacross2042 oh, interesting! So do you think that it’s uniquely the combo of annihilape + rage fist that makes it bannable and it just isn’t worth it to disaggregate the two? I can totally see why rage fist primeape might be a more fun mon to keep than fistless annihilape

[@7raziel7]

We definitely need like a weekend of trying new stuff for ladder modifications, making changes for that weekend then based on feedback make actual changes if needed instead of "well it just wont work trust me" theory doesn't tell how practice will end up being

[@pinkacross2042]

Short tests could be kinda fun? Can't have them too often though, interferes with people trying to learn the meta.

[@7raziel7]

@@pinkacross2042 yeah ofc like onece a month or bimonthly could be something to look forward to

[@Eroil]

Theme starting here? 14:45 Don't recognize it and listen to so much Pokemon music, is it a remix?

[@pinkacross2042]

No, just part of the original gen 4 soundtrack, I forget the name though...

[@Eroil]

@@pinkacross2042 think I recognize battle frontier themes in there but can't find the theme itself

[@Eroil]

@@pinkacross2042 found it after asking around, it's fight area from platinum

[@Holo_Phantom]

There should be an entirely different tier where stall Pokemon are banned 😭 i just don't have the patience

[@pinkacross2042]

If you don't have the patience, I recommend running a team with a reliable breaking core and winning fast!

[@syah7991]

Hot take: Chesnaught is good in OU. Without having to use Tera, it is good against alomomola, blissey, cinderace, non-brave bird corviknight, dondozo, non flying move dragonite, garganacl, great tusk, iron treads, kingambit, non flying move landorus T, meowscarada, all three ogerpon forms, rillaboom, Hisuian samurott, skarmory, ting Lu, zamazenta, barraskewda, excadrill/tyranitar, garchomp with no fire blast…. If you Tera poison, you can beat more pokemon like clodsire/gliscor. it’s good with and without Tera. Hattarene and gholdengo are the biggest nuisances that have to be checked by teammates.

[@pinkacross2042]

You make a good case, I should take Chesnaught more seriously.

[@raindown6702]

Take 2 needs a teambuilding and general game plan guide

[@greattitan371]

Admittedly I knew my take about using the vr instead of tiers was heavily flawed from the start, I even was doing damage control in the original comment. I just wanted to promote a more diverse meta since I tend to enjoy them more.

[@pinkacross2042]

Fair enough, thank you for your submission and being a great sport!

[@Au_Solar_Eclipse_Au]

personally i feel like there should be more tiers below zu like how pokemon perfect did it with 7u and stuff

[@luckylucas8596]

I don't understand why so many players think banning defensive mons is the answer to having a "more balanced" metagame. Defensive Pokemon exist in the metagame to check the offensive Pokemon. If you ban Blissey because it's too good at walling special attackers, the next best specially defensive wall with recovery will be used for that niche. You would have to ban recovery moves wholesale to achieve the idea behind this, but I don't think that would make the metagame better. The more offensive a metagame becomes, the more each individual turn matters. Both players are one speed boost or one prediction away from gaining the advantage they need to win the game. It's okay if you want to play games like that, but I prefer grinding out a few small victories to win in the end, and that should be treated with equal respect. This generation did a lot of good for making stall feel less cheap/brain dead. 8 uses of most recovery moves is perfect. Your opponent can reasonably grind out all of your Roost/Recovers and make progress, but you still have a few turns of leeway to gain the info that you need. The limited access to Toxic is also really good. Pokemon that still have Toxic like Toxapex and Pecharunt feel unique in their role on the team. In previous gens, you could put Toxic on almost every mon and click it basically whenever you switched into a decent matchup. That style of stall was pretty lame, and I'm glad that it takes more strategizing to pull that gameplan off effectively. The one thing that I would do to better tweak the stall balance is to re-introduce Defog onto some more Pokemon. It feels like now the gameplan is to stack hazards and Knock Off boots, which is fine as a concept, but it works a little too easily since there are so few viable Defoggers in this gen.

[@pinkacross2042]

Generally those that advocate for banning defensive pokemon are in pretty low ladder. Most high level players understand that banning defensive pokemon is almost never necessary.

[@brookiedoe]

this isnt a hot take but when u were talking about drytalk it reminded me of a set i love which is dpp ou band staraptor with close combat, brave bird, uturn, sleep talk. this set is fun because you always get a useful sleep talk into breloom, by far the most common sleeper n the only ou pokemon with spore. you also only really lose out on return/double edge which makes you worse into zapdos n the very uncommon raikou, as well as pursuit, which u can fix by running pursuit tar like you would anyway. i guess it means you cant run ddance on tar unless you put pursuit somewhere else but having such a solid answer to breloom means you can get a lot more out of your tar. staraptor still kinda sucks but its fun to use

[@pinkacross2042]

Staraptor is a sick mon for sure, in SV, reckless ada band tera flying BB almost 2-shots Corviknight lol