How universities are implicit in student pro-Palestine protests | SpectatorTV

The prime minister is meeting with university leaders after America’s student protests have spread to the UK. How did universities raise a generation of activists? Yascha Mounk, professor and author, and Rob Henderson, author, discuss with this week’s host, the Spectator’s Political Correspondent James Heale.
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[@Capochin950]

When the Palestinians voted in Hammas decades ago ,they signed their own death warrant.They should have thought about the consequences.Anybody with some common sense would have seen this coming.

[@arefinkamal7654]

By your logic, the Jews must have done something for Hitler to take such drastic actions against them? Or for getting kicked out of 109 nations?

[@somersetdc]

Agreed. Even further...the Palestinians made their bed on October 7, now they must lie in it. For them to scream for a ceasefire after their bloody assault on Israel is unbelievable.

[@MichaelWilson-ee8zx]

Certainly explains why Bibi has funded Hamas: any excuse for a genocide.

[@jackdaniels2127]

It’s different because no one talks about the hostages.

[@sieteocho]

The entire Gaza strip is being taken hostage, frankly.

[@MrShyAlter]

Forming an inquisitive mind requires the courage to accommodate a heterodoxy of ideas. In all these institutions, a single orthodoxy has been dominant. Most students had no reason to challenge themselves. In fact, faculty and students who did, were punished and canceled. It is therefore not surprising that militancy substituted critical thinking.

[@nuqwestr]

Join the Heterodox Academy in your area, new offices in NYC.

[@marmadukegrimwig]

The real burning question is this: what’s behind that padlocked door?

[@peterford5408]

His secret shrine to Ayn Rand

[@marmadukegrimwig]

@@peterford5408 🤣🤣

[@siriusfun]

What an odd title for a video in which two people with shared views discuss them. There was no "debate" here.

Then you don't get it. They aren't debating each other, they are debating the impetus behind how college educated ppl are so dim.

[@xxg6573]

What do you expect. unbiased media😂

[@maorthekinglong]

The pro Hamas don't have any thing to say but lies

[@pobishop235]

Yascha alluded briefly to the fact that these pro-Hamas demonstrations are professionally organized. The organizers are exploiting the ignorance and gullibility of the students to get them to join in and provide cover for the organizers. There is an interesting parallel between the Oct 7 attacks and the student demonstrations. Both appear to be provocations intended to generate a response by the targets of the actions that the provocateurs can use to generate more sympathy for their cause and to further escalate the conflict. And in both cases, those responsible seem heedless of the disastrous effect on, in the case of Oct 7, the Palestinian people, and in the case of the student protests, the students who end up being expelled and other students whose education is disrupted. We all need to understand the dynamic at play here and who is behind it so that effective action can be taken to counter it.

[@petesmitt]

Educational institutions are for learning, not protests; just like workplaces are for working, not protests.

[@WinstonSmithGPT]

Who’s buying all the flags and tents? They aren’t free. They aren’t buying them themselves.

[@cinziam457]

There are many possibilities, including crowdsourcing. Nothing illegal about it.

[@siriusfun]

@@cinziam457 Iranian proxies. Follow the money.

[@johnsmith1474]

Ha - tent envy! I'll be repeating this for laughs at work!

[@nancyrobertson8661]

Soros, Rockefeller Foundation, Iran, Qatar, and Dubai.

[@nancyrobertson8661]

@@cinziam457 It should be illegal. Much of this money comes from terrorists who seek to spread their Islamist cancer throughout the world.

[@lbewl7374]

Welcome to 1930's Gemany, the sequel. This is what happens whe you ban speaking about conantious subjects; the seeds of evil are unopposed and history repeats. Different name, same mindset - these people are 1930's Germans reborn.

[@spiderguy418]

Godwin’s Law, ladies and gentlemen

[@MD-zr1wy]

Could potentially be more violent than anything we have seen before..

[@davidmc8475]

The right to protest should not trample on the right for students to attend classes, at that point it is no longer a right. Each university has handled the protests differently some university presidents were strong in their response others have been feckless. Universally tents and camping should not have been allowed, there should have been a time limit such as dusk to dawn and protests should not have interfered with students attending classes or the daily operations of the school. The schools should be consistent in their free speech rules, if they allow speech promoting the killing of Jews then they need to allow protestors supportive of extreme positions such as bringing back the lynching of Blacks, throwing homosexuals off rooftops or not so extreme positions such as a man should not be allowed to participate in women’s sports or pro-life protests. Just be consistent.

[@jittmet7766]

They're not protesting. They're parading islamic supremacism.

[@ValenceFlux]

I didn't appreciate trust fund brats shouting 'occupy democracy' while I was trying to pass my apprenticeship exams. Nor did I appreciate them putting nails in my tires several times and breaking my windows to steal my tools. They didn't appreciate me saying I have to go to work and provide for my family while you all go protest how much you hate democracy. But that was 2011. The worst year of my life working in construction. As if the job didn't have enough deadly hazards, add protestors wanting you to stop paying taxes to that. I got so sick instead of graduating after completing my schooling I ended up in the hospital with a life threatening inflation. What a world. I better stop ranting... just finding a good doctor has been harder than it should of been.... But anyway I lost everything I worked hard for but I was too tough to ever give up... something poisoned me.

[@allabel4633]

These academics’ exercise of freedom shuts down everyone else’s

[@johnsmith1474]

Unsubstantiated biased opinion.

[@tictoc5443]

Which arab countries fund these universities?

[@FC-PeakVersatility]

Previous demonstrations haven't been calling for gen-0-cide, and clearing out the populace between the river and the sea.

[@AllanHinde-mb2pr]

What? English please

[@FC-PeakVersatility]

@@AllanHinde-mb2pr the trouble is, when you use the appropriate language to describe certain things on KZbin they turn into gas and disappear into the ether. I already posted the same thing and it disappeared as I pressed enter. What you see is English enough to be understood.

[@AllanHinde-mb2pr]

@@FC-PeakVersatility You hide just like the rest of your kind

[@bendikkirkbakk1833]

Look at that Jew. He's not attractive🤢

[@tictoc5443]

Nor have they protested about the regular massacres of arab jews by other arabs for over 1000 years ...october 7th being the last of many Maybe israel needs to make politically motivated donations to unis to get rent a mob on side?

[@pennyadrian7774]

Implicit or complicit?

[@Rachel-en5nt]

I don't understand the video title; do they mean "How universities are implicated...."??

[@Cactus_hug]

I love how the spectator blames the U.S.. 😂 un fucking believable.

[@johndol9549]

for good reason

[@Cactus_hug]

@@johndol9549 yes the U.S. told the UK students to protest. 🤡

[@Cactus_hug]

@@johndol9549 no not for “good reason” your citizens are yours.

[@ozachar]

Need to undo the high tuition fees. It would be so easy to set up a largely online university of high level. Remove all the bureaucracy.

[@francoli-hv3ds]

Freedom of speech is to be protected

[@donnb8171]

Yes, but not freedom to cause unrest

[@Scitch-et4vk]

Baaabaaaa 🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑

[@morr_is]

The inspiration: leftist, Marxist, anti-colonial, anti-Western, pro-revolutionary, subversive communist ideologies. Ideologies ironically often taught and perpetuated academically on college campuses.

[@judifeldman469]

War crimes happen in every war....what makes this war different? ISRAEL IS ENVOLVED

[@user-qz7uu2lt4w]

Biden Trump What a choice the USA has

[@mpf5381]

Kennedy

[@danreichwald7632]

Complicit, not implicit. And quite frankly, The Spectator, of all English-language publications, should know better.

[@chuckecheese5251]

@11:30 I love how he is able to take the positions of these protesters but then afterwards say that he doesn't hold the positions total mott and Bailey he holds the positions he identified that he holds the positions and then when he's challenged on it he just pretends that he never said anything about it

[@purpleflame334]

Thank you for the interesting conversation!

[@user-qz7uu2lt4w]

Moral Authority Ya

[@BelteshazzarBaumbruck]

You mean 'complicit' not 'implicit'. How did you get a job as a journalist, when you have such a poor grasp of the English language? P.S. I currently work at a UK university where illegal trespass anti-Israel / pro-HAMAS 'protests' started last week.

[@rodrigoescalante5456]

Can you still protest against war or not?

[@carolyna.869]

Not in zionist america

[@eddieobrien1411]

It’s not so simple,unfortunately.Given the binary choice between understanding Israel is the Wests best option for alliance,in a dangerous part of the world;and ultimately supporting Islamic holy war jihad,against the West.I probably wouldn’t advise becoming a turkey voter for Xmas.I understand serious concerns about Israel,but the big picture is they are the minority,surrounded by hostile states.Ultimately this yet another religious war,and it’s awful,but I cannot support a 7th century,unreformed,barbaric,totalitarian,misogynistic,intolerant,cult..seeking submission and conquest for Islam.There are numerous videos on KZbin of UN funded schools inside Gaza,which teach children from a young age to hate Jews and chant for the complete annihilation of Israel.So it’s complicated.Chanting from the river to see and by any means necessary,is a call for gen o cide,and Israel isn’t going anywhere

[@H.Hardrada]

Just stop. Everyone knows the anti-War stuff is just a front. Show me one speaker or even one chant of those protests that was generically anti-war. I guarantee 100% if Israel was losing you wouldn't be anti-War. Your hypocrisy betrays your true intentions.

[@fuckamericanidiot]

Depends. Blocking and intimidating other students (especially Jewish ones) trying to get to class should not be tolerated.

[@user-ux3gh3nt8i]

Why do you have a padlocked door in your own flat

[@cinziam457]

Because that's where the Boogey Man lives.

[@aleccap5946]

Go moan in your country or show respect in this one. The government support them not the people

[@NPC-st7zv]

Stop noticing stuff.

[@francoli-hv3ds]

Josh needs to condemn the police interference in campus . Palestinians are under occupation not terrorists

[@guff9567]

NO TO RACISM NO TO RACISM IN THE HOLY LAND

[@nuqwestr]

But it is okay in Sudan? HRW describes "an ethnic cleansing campaign against the ethnic Massalit and other non-Arab populations". From late April until early November of last year, the RSF and allied militias "conducted a systematic campaign to remove, including by killing, ethnic Massalit residents", according to HRW

[@Applied_Theory]

The ethno-religious colonial state project failed miserably. Students are our future leaders, they will not let apartheid flourish in the holly land.

[@fuckamericanidiot]

Do you know that Israel is the most diverse and free nation in the entire Middle-East? There are over a million Palestinians living in Israel and the number is increasing by the day.

[@craigyirush3492]

Yes, Iran is a failed state.

[@eemoogee160]

Anything to deflect from the war crimes

[@nuqwestr]

war is a crime, a failure of civilization, something that was again triggered on 7/10

[@lamegalectora]

They keep saying that these demonstrations ‘started off with a good cause’ and that ‘they were justified and understandable at the start’ but I totally disagree: just to see how quickly and drastically they degenerated into chaos and violence proves that they were rotten from the start. Further: if you truly care for the lives of the Palestinians you stand up unambiguously against Hamas. It is a no brainer!

[@offroadoffshore153]

So according to the protest criteria set by these two our generation should not have protested against the Vietnam War and Apartheid. There is clear evidence that some protest terms used are not reflective of the majority of protesters. The same thing can be said about far right participants in pro Israeli groups. The bottom line is what is more offensive, student protests or a civilian death and injury toll north of 100K in Gaza and rising? Rubbish like this is a diversion to what is occurring on the ground in Gaza and the regime carrying it out.

[@nuqwestr]

I was draft age in 1972, my protest was in self-interest. I knew nothing of the civil war and proxy war in Vietnam, neither did the majority of my peers. I did not protest Apartheid, it appeared to be an internal political issue for a sovereign nation/state. Mandela was a terrorist, he supported other terrorist groups around the world, was friends with Castro and Khadaffy. SA is today a failed state under the ANC, but again, that's the internal politics of a sovereign nation state. There is slavery in Yemen and brutal treatment of women all through the Arab states and Iran. There's a genocide in Sudan against non-Arab peoples supported by Turkey, the UAE and Iran. Where are the "protests"? ..."an ethnic cleansing campaign against the ethnic Massalit and other non-Arab populations". From late April until early November of last year, the RSF and allied militias "conducted a systematic campaign to remove, including by killing, ethnic Massalit residents", according to HRW

[@siriusfun]

Your last sentence sums up perfectly the ill-informed nonsense you stand for.

[@siriusfun]

@@nuqwestr Very well said. A shame it'll all sail well over the commenter's head.

[@Jouantiese]

Garbage obfuscation. That the open Jew-hatred and calls for death to America represents a minority of demonstrators, remains minor mitigation; rather, the overwhelmingly telling factor manifested is a general tolerance and exhibition of grotesque and Naziesque incitement to racial violence. Where are the ' far right participants in pro Israeli groups' ' ubiquitous preachings for annihilation of Palestinians en masse?? Just 5 verifiable, on-campus instances, please? Your ' conflate -to -inflate ' Hamas tactic and fabricated ' civilian ' number of ' 100k ' does your credibility even fewer favours - talking about diversions - as if not a single Hamas terrorist has been despatched. Let's try some actuality: where and when, pray tell, did you express your moral outrage against: Assad - 600 000 Syrian civilians exterminated (many with poison gas) - still in power btw, subject to an international French arrest warrant?? I thought so - and that's one of hundreds of examples - please don't be shy to ask for more!

[@offroadoffshore153]

@@siriusfunIt is fact. The proof of this diversion sits in the deluge of column inches written and spoken in the world wide mainstream media critical of these student protests incl conflation of Anti Israel equals Pro Hamas versus the amount and depth of reporting to what is actually happening on the ground.