Rob Roy: The Duke of Argyll vs. The Marquis Montrose

In the movie "Rob Roy", the Marquis Montrose hustles the Duke of Argyll for 100 Scottish Guineas (actually, he got 200 on the odds). Tim Roth at one of his finest.

[@theJukeboxHero40]

I love it when people insult each other without swearing.

[@ryanarment5393]

It really is an art.

[@ronaldbrouillette7565]

Tis a true art form.

[@AbrahamLincoln4]

"I would not need a musket for you Guthrie"

[@ronf1352]

Good education plainly.

[@lloydstevens2148]

Sprezzatura was a true art.

[@TheDeadbone1961]

Such great dialogue; never a wasted line of script.

[@5133937]

Gotta give credit to the actor who plays Guthrie here too. The way he goes from cocky and overconfident to fear in his eyes after the duel starts is superb acting.

[@John-ob7dh]

Very true.Damn fine acting.

[@Marvin-dg8vj]

@@John-ob7dh the whole scene is a masterpiece of entertainment and attention to detail.

[@johnmccaughey2722]

@@Marvin-dg8vj yeh i find myself learning a new perspective every time a rewatch the scenes of this film.

[@Caesar316]

​@@John-ob7dhmentioning Sharpe in the comments...now thats soldiering.

[@Bootmahoy88]

Oh yes, quite so. Brilliant performance.

[@halleck3]

You'll note that Archibald didn't even take his wig off. That's today's equivalent of kicking a guy's ass without even removing your sunglasses.

[@2adamast]

Faced with a chopper, keeping the wig is a good idea

[@magtegi2]

@@2adamast yeah better head and neck protection actually

[@jacksonemory4358]

Halleck just left his wig on for you guys. Didn't break a sweat, managed to contain his Di(stain) enough to not butcher his foe for the mere price or some confused respect.

[@rudytahangchannel2229]

Hear hear

[@halleck3]

@@2adamast You think, after watching Guthrie, that Archie thought Guthrie could even touch him?

[@carabidus]

Tim Roth was absolutely scintillating in this role. Archibald Cunningham: among the most memorable villains I have ever witnessed in cinema. Such an atypical villain and it was brilliantly played.

[@leont5096]

Agreed

[@toddkes5890]

Agreed. 3:56 is when it looks like he keeps his mouth straight, but the head-bow turns it into a sinister smile

[@glenwoodcampbell2734]

Wasn't he Ringo ?

[@Knapweed]

@@glenwoodcampbell2734 If you mean Johnny Ringo in Tombstone, that would be Michael Biehn.

[@SantomPh]

His role is so iconic people mistakenly call him Montrose

[@intake152]

Tim Roth never disappoints. A masterclass in acting - one of movies most evil and dangerous characters.

[@conallk]

Tim Roth's casual cold calculating menace throughout the duel would make him an awesome Sith Lord.

[@stephenfletcher5391]

Yeah he just needs to learn not to underestimate "the force" :)

[@lilcolgatevert3715]

Qui gon already rekt him so its too late

[@darthracer777]

@Mister Guy I disagree. Rumors are that there will be a trilogy based on the Old Republic. Set thousands of years before the current timeline. Roth would make an excellent Sith Lord. Possibly Darth Revan.

[@heretyk_1337]

Yeah... how surprising with name like CUNNINGham... On second thought HAM???

[@therearenoshortcuts9868]

@@heretyk_1337 aye he's a Cunning piece of Meat (ham)

[@mikecurley3849]

"So Mr Cunningham, what are these principle sins that distress your mother ? " 😆 God this script is lightyears ahead of Braveheart

[@joes622]

FREEEEEEEEDUMMMMMMB

[@Marvin-dg8vj]

Not only the script but the acting and casting is flawless .

[@Rottensparrow]

Why do you even compare this to Braveheart? What's your point dumbass

[@zen4men]

Braveheart is mere distortion of history.

[@rhedges9631]

@@zen4men So is this, but at least it is a good one.

[@emperorreign6154]

Can’t believe how much this movie gets overlooked in comparison to the vastly inferior braveheart. This is easily the best Scottish based movie of all time. The cast, the script, the costume design, the choreography, the villain (wonderfully portrayed by Roth), it’s just marvellous.

[@ChristopherDillman]

Bravefart was bloated and long-winded. This gem did indeed get lost in the shuffle with all the attention on Mel. They got every detail right in the period of Rob Roy, including everyone's teeth.

[@joseleopoldobastidanova9903]

La unica pelicula ke me hace viajar al pasado .impresionante en todos los sentidos..de las mejores ke e visto..bravo..👏👏👍👍

[@tariq909able]

Emperor Reign , William Wallace is history, Rob Roy is fiction.

[@Danko_Sekulic]

@@tariq909able Rob Roy did exist! This was a heavily fictionalized version of him - similar could be said of Braveheart's William Wallace!

[@divinity176]

@@tariq909able They are both historical figures. That is not to say they are accurately depicted in popular culture.

[@raylampert1243]

I love the subtlety where Argyll asks if Archie is one of Montrose's "likely lads". Montrose avoids the question, but it's clear that Archie probably is Montrose's bastard.

[@Roheryn100]

Yes, it’s why he took Archie’s pendant at the end….

[@wizrom3046]

No he is asking if Archibald is one of his gay lover boys.

[@Marvin-dg8vj]

​@@wizrom3046 that is what I thought too

[@TheMisterGuy]

@@wizrom3046 That's what I thought too, but "likely lad" or "likely lass" would make 100% sense for "child that's probably yours but you don't know for sure". Which also implies that Montrose is not gay, but could be bisexual. For that matter, Cunningham is also at most bisexual, but definitely not gay.

[@pikppa]

Archie is Montrose's nephew, not his son.

[@guitargodjoe3621]

This is one of Tim Roth's best performances ever! I love his smug arrogance.

[@somanoma6465]

GuitarGod Joe It isn't arrogance, it is being English.

[@si4632]

but he cant tell arse from quim

[@ianexcalibur7096]

@@si4632 every hole is a goal......

[@si4632]

@@ianexcalibur7096 do you like sweetcorn behind your foreskin lol

[@mikeysclips]

Agreed. This was his best. Four Rooms was his second.

[@FordPickUPRed]

This movie is a masterpiece, and Tim Roth deserved an Oscar for his role.

[@schattensand]

All four actors do brilliant acting here.

[@biggee316]

Yes, Jessica Lange, Tim Roth, Liam Neeson, and John Hurt all did a great job... This is one of the most under-rated and un-sung movies of all time.

[@brottarnacke]

biggee316 It was unfortunately released the same year as Braveheart.

[@fullstrutn]

I especially liked Argyle in this ,,and yes it was a shame it was released the same year.MUCH truer to highland history this ,,though not true to Rob Roys life .

[@DancingSpiderman]

And The Duke of Argyle was the Buggerer of Boys.

[@stevedoolan1540]

@@biggee316 I didn't recognise Jessica Lange there as Guthrie. She really is a chameleon.

[@ElephantFilmWerks]

I love how Montrose turns his back moments after the duel starts because he's seen enough to know Tim Roth has this guy's number.

[@Kelly14UK]

Yeah. That such a fopp can have so much skill (and also sadism ) in him. Why i never judge a book by its cover, as the cliche goes, in anyone i meet.

[@thedivineparkin23]

Agreed. 🙂👏🏻👏🏻

[@rainstand2772]

I tell you James, I forget how much you dislike me until I’m in your presence

[@johanberggren5844]

A film made with art and craftmanship in dialogue, plot, acting, fencing, historic detail. A sheer pleasure

[@brendanforester4601]

Agreed 100%

[@popeye5989]

Good film although far from historical correct.

[@CS-zn6pp]

It is a great film but it knows little of history past the names. That's the trouble, too many "learn" their history from Hollywood or Wikipedia.

[@popeye5989]

@@CS-zn6pp aye is quite interesting the reactions I get when I tell people what Rob Roy was actually like. It's so opposite to what the film portrays that people just refuse to believe me.

[@JugglesGrenades]

The only mistake that I ever saw in that film, was when Rob Roy was a captive, and being dragged along at the end of a rope. When he fell you could see cut off shorts under his kilt. ( Highlanders went "commando)

[@petercollinson8039]

The first time I saw this movie I got a cold chill when Montrose turns his back to the fight. He's so sure, so flat out certain, that his man will roll right over Guthrie that watching it happen is just a waste of his time. A really well put together scene.

[@marieadams3720]

Yeh he didn't even need to remove his wig!

[@davidvance6367]

Peter Collinson Montroses' man will cut his opponent anytime he wants to.

[@davidvance6367]

Peter Collinson, Very few men. Such as Montrose. Could use him as President. People like Warren Biden Booker O.M.G. disgusting

[@XxowendanxX]

Me too. Montrose had his back turned, he wasn't even looking and he talked about a bunch of other stuff

[@madmeddik]

to me it was a signal, 'while my back is turned just play with him, when i turn around to watch, beat him'

[@dmmamc]

RIP John Hurt..........a legend

[@Hilaire_Balrog]

truly

[@Leon_Aldrich]

Also great in From The Hip.

[@humbertoflores2545]

I remember him in the TV Series "I CLAVDIVS"

[@doubtingthomas6146]

“My factor shall call upon your Grace’s factor” 18th century version of “My people will call your people”.

[@nihilistcentraluk442]

This is one of the best scenes ever in a film.Terrific dialogue,tension,real menace and top class actors chewing the scenery until there is nothing left.Look at the expressions on Argyll's face when he realises Guthrie is going get shafted and he is going to lose quite expensively.

[@powerdriller4124]

Two seconds after the first sword clash were enough to change Argyll´s expression from amused and confident to defeated, humiliated, and long faced.

[@wayneparker9331]

For those who don't know the underlying meaning of the negotiation of the terms of the bet between Montrose and Argyll, the choice between guineas and pounds was a significant difference by this time in history. The "guinea" was a gold coin 1 inch/25.4mm in diameter and weighing 129.438 grains or .0247 troy ounces of gold. It was originally valued at one pound sterling (a coin made of silver) or 20 shillings. But rises in the price of gold relative to silver caused the value of the guinea to increase, at times to as high as thirty shillings, or roughly 1 1/2 pounds sterling per guinea.

[@j.h-j5j]

Thanks for the instruction.

[@brendanforester4601]

Very informative. Thank you.

[@dendemano]

I thank you for the explanation and shared knowledge. The general gist of his response, and his preference of currency adds relevance to the scene. A slight, however trivial, in a vain attempt to besmirch the pound for the connection to English money?

[@wayneparker9331]

@Tom Sanders Good to know!! I hadn't realized the guinea as a unit of currency measurement had any modern use after the switch to decimal currency. Thank you!!

[@nicolazportillo]

What did it mean when Montrose asked for odds? Did it double the payout if he won?

[@dhider57]

I hate to admit it, but I lost my shit when Montrose stated, "Aye! One might have hoped that a field so regularly plowed would have yielded one good crop. In truth, I have seen healthier graveyards than that woman's womb." For those who don't know, it was a reference to Queen Anne of Great Britain and Ireland. She had 17 children, but none of them survived to adulthood, thus failing to provide an heir to the throne.

[@rubensdeliz]

Deonte Hider Thanks man for your explanations! I appreciate all.

[@dhider57]

You're more than welcome :)

[@timdewit6088]

+Deonte Hider Yeah, I don't get the Duke of Argyll's statement about 'to comfort the king', though. Anne's husband George of Denmark was dead by 1714, and he wasn't a king at any rate. They probably didn't think that through.

[@ebutuoy406]

+Deonte Hider oooh!!! I see. Thanks much for that tid bit.

[@pikppa]

Indeed the movie pays great attention to history. They also make many reference to the usurped Stuart

[@gsimon123]

Tim Roth had some great movement and footwork in this movie! He really nailed the role.

[@j.h-j5j]

He was magnificent.

[@thudor1]

I'm willing to bet that Johnny Depp took a cue from Roth's performance for his role as Captain Jack Sparrow. It seems equal parts of Archibald Cunningham and Keith Richards!!😆

[@Fwibos]

I dunno, I hear he was split about the ending.

[@LandersWorkshop]

@@Fwibos Wow, how did he want it to end.

[@Fwibos]

@@LandersWorkshop Seriously? I suspect not getting split in half.

[@jenniturtleburger3708]

Tim Roth plays the perfumed dandy so well, but he is vicious and calculated.

[@jonathanbethards3689]

An underrated actor, for sure

[@robertroth5197]

Deception -- designed to inspire fear when discovered. Fem-fatales typically make use of it, but it can be even more effective when employed by an ultracompetent male villain. Archibald Cunningham used it to humiliate his victims and entertain crowds.

[@jamesofarcadia]

@@robertroth5197 no, not deception, a matter of culture. His manner was that of the court, whilst it was feminine in many aspects, it was only ever performative.

[@everettelliot5085]

It's been years since I buggered a boy... And in my defense I thought him a girl at the moment of entry. Damn. I've never heard something so filthy articulated so gracefully.

[@pikppa]

You should expect no less from noble englishmen

[@rogerpropes7129]

It is odd that they allowed this language but cut the early scene where Jessica Lange goes to the lake to urinate. It is necessary to understand a later scene when she goes to the lake again and is surprised by her rapist, Roth and his party.

[@ernestoguevara8930]

Tim Roth is quite possibly the greatest actor ever produced from these isles?

[@rogerpropes7129]

Hmm, seen anything with Lawrence Olivier? One swallow (Roth) does not a summer make.

[@ernestoguevara8930]

@@rogerpropes7129 Hmm, stiff with outdated Shakespearean attitude I think. Larry was a one trick pony, the aristocrat, maybe a Prince or Leader of Arabic hordes, maybe in total command of an air force, always a man with huge responsibilities, never an everyday universal actor! He was a great actor within his own comfort zone.

[@Raving]

From the moment Guthrie first swings at Archie and Cunningham dashes out of range you can see his awesome agility and outstanding footwork. The look he gives Guthrie before his first series of moves says plainly, "I am ready to kill you now." I boxed as a kid and my trainer always insisted on us improving our footwork. "Let them punch at where you were, not where you are." That was his mantra. Years later when I fenced in college the boxing based footwork always threw my opponents off.

[@brendanforester4601]

Double Diablo Good advice.

[@wayneparker9331]

Same here. I boxed competitively in college, then later took up kendo when I lived in Japan and Taiwan. The emphasis on good footwork when I learned to box really helped when I had to learn how to fence. The hard part was switching the forward foot in my stance. IN boxing my left foot was forward because I am right handed; in kendo I had my right foot forward because ALL kendo practitioners use that stance regardless of which is their dominant hand and because one uses both hands on the shine/bokken/sword.

[@sgtboz9730]

If your feet ain't right, your hands ain't gonna be right...what I tell my kid when I'm training him.

[@David-ns4ym]

A master of the rapier like this dandy would easily take out a Japanese swordsman. A samurai is low on moves past the first crossing. Japanese swordplay would never allow for dirty tricks either like use of the pommel or use of two blades. Musashi was so good in samurai duels because he watched European swordsmen duel on the beaches of Japan. Showing up late to a duel, using the pommel and 2 blades were his big difference

[@swamp9136]

Same. Boxed for years and our coach made us do nothing but footwork for months before we were even allowed to throw a punch. Oof.

[@nigden1]

Tim Roth, one of the very best, playing the wonderfully foppish aristocrat's disdain for lesser men, his languid disposal of a brutal fighter, using exquisite swordsmanship, is a brilliant scene.

[@matthewJ142]

The Duke was my favorite character. Especially what he did for Rob

[@FRANKTHRING1]

Putting Roth aside lets not forget the two great protagonists - actors John Hurt and Andrew Keir (perhaps best remembered as Professor Quatermass or the monk who transfixes Barbara Shelley with a stake in "Dracula, Prince of Darkness", two great Hammer roles). Keir later said that playing the Duke of Argyll was one of the happiest performances of his career.

[@IsItModern]

I love the dialogue. They don't have stuff like this anymore.

[@irmese06]

+IsItModern They "didn't have stuff like this" when the movie was made. Then somebody who knew a bit about period dialogue did some research, wrote the script, and by heav'n! 'Twas writ and done. Could be done again. Let's hope! Brainy, witty action films are the best.

[@ianinkster2261]

The TV series John Adams involved some consid'rable recerch into speech patterns of the tyme.

[@jamesmaysflyingwashingmach7459]

GOT does not at all do a good job.

[@jerumd]

Ikr 3:15 Aye, one might have hoped that a field so regularly plowed might have yielded one good crop. In truth, I have seen healthier graveyards than that woman's womb... WORD..

[@whynottalklikeapirat]

They have neither the skill, the time nor the inclination

[@weirdshibainu]

I love the vicious wit and insults that never resort to direct name calling...an art long past.

[@LandersWorkshop]

It's similar to flyting.

[@mathieuvanleeuwen7127]

Aye, th'm lordships and their wayzz, laddy....

[@deliciousdeviant5333]

@jonny j Such proper language would likely be used by the aristocrats which would be a minority. The same applies today.

[@ronf1352]

@Iafiv Iv so true.

[@coolcat1684]

jonny j me thinks thou art thy-self a buggerer of boys to respond so harshly to his fair comment ....

[@Drakkenite]

"I've seen healthier graveyards than that woman's womb" What a line

[@WizardOfHumor1989]

Drakkenite “Love is a dunghill! And I am but a cock that climbs upon it to crow!”

[@davidvance6367]

Drakkenite,Royals 300 years ago meant what they said. Said what they meant.

[@Ragitsu]

@@davidvance6367 300 years ago "they" also believed a bunch of nonsense that you'd scoff at today. Don't romanticize the past.

[@coolcat1684]

Ragitsu haha Yea but they did so with style...

[@maxanderring]

@@Ragitsu nowadays we have the benefit of searching whatever fact up we want literally in the palm of our hand. I wouldn't be so arrogant and smug as to think we are somehow fundamentally smarter nowadays

[@halleck3]

Some of the best dialog I've ever heard. Superbly written!

[@daramonahan5958]

one of the reasons I love the film. John Hurt's Montrose has some terrific lines.

[@halleck3]

+Dara Monahan And delivered with perfection!

[@rogerpropes7129]

Face it, nobody ever talks in real life the way movie characters rattle off witty lines with no stumbling pauses, mistakes in grammar, etc.

[@DragoonsPropaganda]

What say you, Guthrie? That archie could not tell arse from quim

[@jlogan2228]

cunningham is a prime example of why you DONT underestimate people

[@dmmamc]

That same rule bit Cunningham in the arse!!

[@jlogan2228]

+cmmadd yea hes a prime example of someone you hate but have to respect bc of his ability

[@vietkonggroove]

i think the rule to be learned here is dont fight fair fight to win

[@jlogan2228]

vietkonggroove no thats the final duel after rob has his ass handed to him then kills cunningham with what is a debateable cheap move, in a matter of battle their are no cheap moves but since that was a duel of honor welllllll

[@vietkonggroove]

duel of honour is a load of crap fight to win i say and fair fights i think there is no such thing you do whatever you have to do to win

[@marlenetombleson1963]

"I tell you James, I forget how much you dislike me, until I'm in your presence." Has there ever been a more biting insult in movie history? It's a close tie with Cora telling Duncan off in Last of the Mohicans

[@schattensand]

The whole take is full of stunning lines. It is just great.

[@Bubbles99718]

"You don't like me very much do you Rick?" "If I gave you any thought I probably wouldn't." Casablanca.

[@randomobserver8168]

Yes I quite like that. Good catch. One of the best barbs in cinema.

[@jfayiii]

More of a hurtful observation than an insult.

[@elta6241]

It's a great line.

[@joekerr9197]

Love this scene, one of the best scenes in historical movies. When Roth's character enters the hall and starts overplaying the supposed gestures. They all think he is some kind of sissy but in truth he is more savage and barbarian than all of them combined. I somewhat consider it a metaphor for the entire aristocracy of that era and earlier...they were far more savage and barbarian than the "lowborn" ever were... There is no greater gift than being underestimated.

[@louisjolliet3369]

Agreed. The lunges around 5:16 were definitely done by some actual fencer. Portrays the brutality of the rapier pretty well IMO.

[@joekerr9197]

@Lei P They have changed...we no longer have aristocracy and I was talking about feudal society...and even those who still exist are there just for the show. But...I understand what you're saying...because in modern-days we may not have aristocracy but we do have CEO's, managers and stuff like that which are modern-day "aristocracy" who will sometimes, if not most of the time, walk over the dead just make an extra coin...

[@joekerr9197]

+skirts365 First that is only one country and second he may own stuff but he and the rest of the remaining aristocracy no longer have the power they had over the others...back in the day if you were a commoner your very life depended on how they woke up that morning...

[@joekerr9197]

+skirts365 If you think they have the same power they had in the Middle Ages to the times until Napolenic Wars then you're delusional...and we have nothing to talk about...

[@fuckmemonica]

Not a barbarian so much as a skilled technician.

[@kennethd4645]

I have only watched this a thousand times so far.

[@soyperico]

Same here, for some reason I have to watch it at least once a week.

[@connormcmahon4734]

Absolutely fantastic acting from every single individual involved in this scene.

[@StewartNicolasBILLYCONNOLLY]

Tim Roth is magnificent!

[@BobBelson]

Lol Roth and Hurt prancing around Scotland- Priceless.

[@AnthonyJohnson-qv5nc]

Wow. Tim Roth, John Hurt, Brian Cox, Liam Neesan, Jessica Lange in the same film.

[@markthrasher6770]

That trip and fall from the actor playing Guthrie is actually amazing!!!

[@marzzz1]

RIP John Hurt, Marquis of Montrose

[@dexterdog62]

John Hurt was an outstanding actor.

[@marcokite]

@Maz Robinson ..and 'I Claudius'

[@captainamerica6525]

The dialogue between them is a language art long past. Without raising their voice or uttering a curse they dual with language as men did with swords.

[@FRANKTHRING1]

Am pleased to see so many people admire this fine and under-rated film; the script is one of the wittiest and most intelligent in any historical movie. Every player in it is very good and while Tim Roth is superb, it was also exquisitely played by John Hurt as Montrose and Andrew Keir (his personal favourite role) as Argyll.

[@preyanuchpromhong3777]

Love is but a Dung Heap. And I'm a Rooster who crawls on top of it to Crow

[@timdowney6721]

My factor will call upon Your Grace’s factor. Now that’s a line that would be fun to use.

[@JP_Vang]

Some insults are so elegant that you can't help but awe in their presentation. "One might have hope that a field so regularly plowed might have yielded one good crop. In truth, I have seen healthier graveyards than that woman's womb."

[@bostria]

Tim Roth totally steals the whole movie.

[@KDbreen1976]

You gotta love when John Hurt turns his back as soon as the duel begins then later says “My wager is well won”

[@michaelmixon2479]

Tim Roth was perfect in this role!

[@tonybletas930]

'I would not need a musket for you Guthrie'. The resultant look on Guthries's ugly mug had me in fits!

[@EverGreen1888]

"There's more of a jingle to Guinea's" Love that line

[@Celestial_escape]

“or are you a buggerer of boys?” The Duke knows how to throw some shade haha

[@jackbuchanan9085]

I've always considered Tim Roth the Basil Rathbone of the 21st Century. Between this film and The Musketeer in 2001, he's not only a master swordsman, but can play some cunning and despicable villains like Rathbone did in the golden age of Hollywood.

[@brendanforester4601]

Jack Buchanan Fitting comparison.

[@willemverheij3412]

I would say Christopher Lee is closer to a later generation Basil Rathbone. Both where decorated veterans of a world war, good duelists and typecast as villains. A pity they never where in a movie together.

[@danielemerson312]

Well, in that case, I look forward to Roth's appearance in a remake of Rathbone's swansong, 'Hillbillys in a Haunted House'.

[@craigscott5661]

What a great movie very underrated.

[@bedstuyrover]

"Egad sir,I do not know if you will die of the pox or on the gallows". The earl of Sandwich to Edmund Kean.Edmund's response"that depends my lord on whether i embrace your mistress or your policies".The dialogue of this movie is of the same rich caliber.

[@eryllflynn4856]

Your knowledge of English history is impressive for a yank. I applaud you sir.

[@VredesStall]

bedstuy rover The exchange of the "King's English" in this scene between the Marquise of Montrose and the Duke of Argyll is one of my favorites in the entire movie: Duke of Argyll to Archibald Cunningham: "So, Mr. Cunningham... What are these principle sins that so distress your mother??... Dice??... Drink??... Or are you a buggerer of boys??". Archie Cunningham: " 'Tis been ages since I buggered a boy, Your Grace... and, in my own defense, I thought him a girl at the moment of entry". Duke of Argyll: "What say you, Guthrie... That Archie could not tell arse from quimm??". Guthrie: "I hear that most Englishman have that same difficulty". Argyll to Montrose: "So... what news in Court??". Montrose to Argyll: "What else but the Succession?? Our poor Queen cannot find the time to die in peace. I fear she may pass over and leave the matter unresolved". Argyll to Montrose: "Would that she had see a child of hers live to comfort the King". Montrose to Argyll: Aye, one might have hoped that a field so regularly plowed might have yielded one good crop. In truth... I've seen healthier graveyards than that woman's womb". You can beat British wit... especially when wielded by the two-edged blade that is the "King's English".

[@rogerpropes7129]

Parmenio to Alexander, after Darius has offered Alex half his kingdom to go home: "If I were Alexander I would accept."Alex: "So would I, if I were Parmenio." lol.

[@9thDallasMowerExpo]

I love the bit where Archie's driven the other guy around the hall and has him pissing himself ... and then rests his sword on his shoulder and starts mincing again. Deliberately screwing with everyone.

[@LandersWorkshop]

Those mincing moves were lulzy as hell!

[@troy9477]

Tim Roth and John Hurt (RIP) gave excellent performances as dishonorable, vile, slimy, scheming aristocrats. Roth seems to play his part with particular relish. It's a good film, and one of my favorite period films. Great dialogue and some witty lines, in this and several other scenes.

[@Lorgar64]

This made me realise it's been so long since I've seen competent villains in cinema.

[@mikeggg5671]

Even though Lord Montrose is minor (but still vital) character, he is played so damn well!

[@ucanquoteme7404]

I love how Guthrie is more upset about being called a backstabber then he is about losing. Just lost himself in the heat of the moment.

[@stonem0013]

Guthrie is a dishonourable thug

[@bfdidc6604]

@@stonem0013 He has a fair hand with a cleaver, though.

[@IrishCarney]

@@stonem0013 No, if he were that dishonorable, he'd feel no shame about his flash of temper. And if he were that much a thug, he'd never have managed that "I've heard many Englishmen have that difficulty" line.

[@siler7]

That part was really dumb. As if he'd get away with cold-blooded murder and shaming his master in front of all those people. Guthrie wasn't THAT stupid.

[@jsprite123]

@@siler7 I doubt he would had killed Archie. Instead, he'd ended up being the dead one.

[@moonlightmelodrama]

Tim Roth in an excellent portrayal of the effeminate psychopath. Pulp Fiction needed this kind of character.

[@J.C.Tavares]

Actually,Tim Roth is in Pulp Fiction!

[@vatomalo68]

J.C. Tavares... the diner hunny bunny scene

[@Alderbeck]

RIP John Hurt a brilliant actor

[@qfapodcastabouthowardstern]

"Indeed. One might a thought that field so regularly plowed might have yielded one good crop?" LOL John Hurt's delivery is always perfect.

[@gtpk3527]

This is so well done. I love the moment when Guthrey first attacks at 3:47 and Roth's entire demeanor changes in a second as he effortlessly dances away from him. Even before the close up, just from his movement and how quickly he regains proper posture it's obvious that he's very skilled swordsman and all of this was a ploy. And of course, his face during the close up is just a cherry on top.

[@DrOneOneOne]

I think people forget that as a nobleman back then, Cunningham could've been professionally trained for years, and his foppish, girly demeanor had no bearing on his ability to fight. In fact, he uses it to anger his opponents into making clumsy mistakes.

[@Baron_Blue_Max]

I've got to be honest, if Tim Roth gave me one of his "looks", I'd be rethinking my entire life's mistakes that had led me to that moment!

[@Gr8Layks]

The actor, Roth. He plays "hatable" like no one's business!

[@jameswhite1031]

+Anonymous Just think when he fights the Hulk when Ed Norton was the Hulk, damnable Bastard then also. A + Acting.

[@tenhirankei]

+James White That was him in the Hulk! Once again he shows how tough he is-taking on the hulk in single combat. But he does get knocked rather hard for his attempt at bluster.

[@kmankevin9192]

Tim Roth, first time I ever paid any attention was the diner scene in Pulp,,the expressionless stare as he resigns his position of authority while looking down the barrel of Jules nickel plated 9mm,,then years later I stumble upon this little masterpiece of a movie. He's one of the best character actors I've seen, just stole the show as Archie, these lines are seething with patronizing contempt. The writers should have won something,,I sure the actors were howling with laughter at the first reading,,"oh my goodness but this will be fun!"

[@rogerfrench4780]

If you like Roth watch a little known film he did in 1982 called "made in britain", he plays a yobbish skin head racist who goes off the rails and lashes out at authority. Well worth a watch.

[@beavis4play]

watch roth in "deceiver" or "hoodlum". he's great in both of those too. loved him in hateful eight .

[@XxowendanxX]

@@beavis4play you half stole my comment. Roth stole the 1997 movie "Hoodlum". Tim Roth fans MUST see that movie his performance was just as scary sick in Hoodlum as it was in Rob Roy

[@beavis4play]

@@XxowendanxX -oh yea, that look roth gives the guy he's fighting in that sword fight at the bar (in rob roy) is chilling. and roth can act - period! even though he played a shy/sensitive person, i loved him in "legend of 1900" too.

[@XxowendanxX]

@@beavis4play believe it or not, this and Hoodlum are the only two Roth movies I've ever seen

[@Richard-rz4ug]

Tim Roth character campness does not make him weak but rather freaking dangerous to underestimate him.

[@robinaboy]

One of the great films. Great script, great acting, great action, great story, great ending. Just great all round.

[@mr.f613]

Rob Roy is in my top 5 favourite films. If you haven’t seen this, it is time.

[@flankspeed]

To this day, whenever I win a bet, I still like to say, "My factor will call upon Your Grace's factor." 😂

[@karlkarlson3502]

Do you support and promote rabbit supremacy? If no, why not?

[@ephemispriest8069]

I have never seen this movie. Just clips of the fights. This dialogue ensures that will change.

[@Leftysfive93]

Tim Roth's character is such a bastard, he's a gleeful vicious vagabond and when Rob Roy kills him at the end there's a collective mental cheer from the viewers.

[@pediatrapaola]

+Leftysfive93 l hated it he clearly won

[@schizophrantic]

He didn't lose, you cannot hold on a blade of a sword with your hands because it will cut your hands and get free and then cut you in half. Of course being a movie anything is possible. It was a stupid scene.

[@Leftysfive93]

Barren Plains Look, most people who watch the end of that dueling scene probably understand that Liam Neeson's Rob Roy would've lost the top of his hand to Tim Roth's sword and been run through but it's FICTION. At it's heart, Rob Roy is a costume revenge drama like The Count of Monte Cristo or Zorro but much darker.

[@schizophrantic]

Leftysfive93 * At *its* heart

[@MrBottlecapBill]

Not true, you can in fact grab a sword blade with little damage to yourself, if held tightly. It could certainly be jerked from your hand with effort but not easily if you're committed. Historically, it was a common and legitimate move in duels and on the battlefield. A cut hand is an easy price to pay for saving your life. In reality, Rob Roy would never have been given the chance though, the stab would have been quick, without the drama and Tim Roth would have retreated instantly to a safe distance to let him bleed out.

[@randybobandy9243]

I just love me some Tim Roth.. I don’t care who he’s portraying.. He does fantastic work

[@sikandermallu]

Cunningham was both fascinating and revolting. His foppish mask makes his victims underestimate the predator lurking underneath. And yet you knew he came from a place of pain. You're torn between wanting to learn more about him and wishing he'd be finished off already. Tim Roth totally stole show.

[@johnmccaughey2722]

He was probably abused and thats why hes such a cold calculated killer.

[@Parasmunt]

Tim Roth had a blast of a time with this character lol.

[@GuamGrrl]

Dear, dear Sir John...my heart is broken. One of my 2 favorite performances of his. One of the best scenes from one of the most underrated films ever. The dialogue in this scene kills me! R.I.P. 💔💔💔

[@davidvance6367]

MissShineAT, Seen this film 4 times

[@nightravenonline]

excelelnt movie Tim Roth , , I like that character- dangerouse, smart..

[@ctfamily40]

Montrose and Argyll are fascinating because while Argyll is temperamental, real, honest, and above all transparent, Montrose is cool, calculating, and pure artifice. In terms of openness, they are quite literally exact opposites, which makes the scenes in which they are juxtaposed really engrossing from a psychological perspective.

[@Marvin-dg8vj]

This is fascinating to watch because it never tires. There is near perfect chemistry between the actors delivering their lines flawlessly .Two very bright and well read guys I suspect

[@denislaw8]

This was, as far as we can tell, authentic aristocratic repartee, along with a foppish exterior disguising Archie's cold heart and murderous inclinations.

[@eddarby469]

I don't know if I would go so far as that. The Duke was very deferential to the royal family in his words and tone, but the Marquis' language was utterly disdainful and mocking. The only thing saving the Marquis is that nobody could prove he said those things. But if they could he could have been executed for it. The Duke maintained decorum. I sometimes forget until you are here how much I truly dislike you. This was honest, but not vulger or hyperbolic. He is simply stating that he doesn't like the Marquis and the Marquis knows why and even cultivates his anger toward him although the Duke is in a higher station. I find it unlikely a Marquis would so deliberately anger a nobleman in a higher station. It is unusual at the least. Among equally matched nobles, such thing might be said between them when one has additional resources and the weak disposition to act badly when there was no provocation. It is an exercise in asserting dominance. But, there could be dire consequences if you couldn't back it up.

[@stevencoates3382]

"If I had to kill an ox a claymore would be my FIRST choice your grace!" Smart-arse 🤣🤣🤣

[@KVSWF]

And delivered with such an obnoxious, smart ass tone... I remember watching this in the theater and I wanted to go punch the screen. I had trouble separating Roth from Cunningham... THAT is how good Roth is.

[@curtiskretzer8898]

An ox,like Guthrie

[@orbazel]

The cutting jibes and intelligent insults make this film one of the most well written films ever.

[@cjheaford]

I did the conversion: The bet they just made was the equivalent of $23,361 in 2020 dollars, but Argyll gave Montrose 2 to 1 odds. That means Argyll just lost the equivalent of $46,722 in 2020 dollars to Montrose. They bet 100 guineas. Guineas were gold coins that were worth the same as a pound sterling.

[@alanmackinnon3516]

If I remember rightly a Guinea is worth One Pound One Shilling.

[@IrishCarney]

@@alanmackinnon3516 Right. Not very practical, but prestige items. Which was why going from Scottish pounds, to English pounds, then to guineas, was raising the stakes twice.

[@IrishCarney]

@@alanmackinnon3516 I've looked it up. You're right that a guinea was worth 21 shillings as opposed to a pound which was worth 20 shillings - BUT the guinea's value was only fixed at 21 shillings from 1717 to 1816, and "Rob Roy" is set before then, in the year 1713. Before 1717, the guinea was nominally the same as a pound, but since the guinea was made from gold (while the pound was defined by silver) the guinea often ended up actually being worth more than 20 shillings in the real world, sometimes up to 30 shillings.

[@cjheaford]

@@IrishCarney That’s great info- thanks!

[@dudeofvalor9294]

4.24 - 4.30 just shows how one goes from who is this fancy prick to 'omg I am gonna die to this crazy man!'. Gotta love it. Great acting, especially Tim Roth

[@71superbee3]

"I would not need a musket for you, Guthrie."

[@iliabashel]

#Rekt

[@commandingjudgedredd1841]

Loved the look on Guthrie's face.

[@coolcat1684]

71superbee3 he basically called him an ox ...

[@ricardoguanipa8275]

Black servant boy in the back: Daaaaaamn!

[@siler7]

I, too, watched the video.

[@rimetime6423]

English language is amazing for us yanks to hear sometimes, it's a freaking work of art. i cringe when my fellow americans try too hard to play certain english movie parts. And i've always thought john hurt is one of the world's greatest actors

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

I think Hollywood has now learnt to cast real Englishmen as villians. If you cringe at Americans playing certain English movie parts, imagine how it sounds to us English. As a child, I never realised that Dick van Dyke was playing a cockney in Mary Poppins. I thought he was supposed to be an American living in London.

[@yvc9]

Roth plays foppish lethality to perfection

[@TristanCollins-q3q]

Brilliant movie and the casting deserves an Oscar on its own.

[@elrjames7799]

"Is it not enough that you're beaten that you must turn backstabber".

[@vicstanfieldshire7754]

The moment he turns his back to the duel; you know whom will walk away the victor.

[@aburg10s]

Just once after winning a bet I would love to say "my factor will call upon your grace's factor"

[@theevilascotcompany9255]

"Dude, just take it, I've got your 5 bucks right here." "No! My factor will call upon your grace's factor!"

[@IrishCarney]

But make sure to say, "my wager is well won" before the outcome, just to make the win sweeter afterwards.

[@Emanresuadeen]

That was such masterful swordsmanship by Archibald, he should have been given a round of applause. Even by Guthrie and -Montrose- Argyle.

[@AssinnippiJack]

Tim Roth stole this movie! John Hurt also ran away with it. I give it the edge over Braveheart which was released the same year, 1995.

[@Talbot6832]

It was a far more accurate film - bad teeth and all. Braveheart was a historical monstrosity.

[@AssinnippiJack]

Talbot6832 Totally agree!

[@fritzduquesne3691]

Talbot6832 Yes of course because to an Englishman nothing is classier than a movie which includes a rape scene. What's wrong? Can't handle being portrayed as the enemy? Not our fault you were on the losing side of history. The Sharpe series rank as the most vapid of all attempts at historical portrayal and incidentally attempts to portray the British on the winning side.

[@Talbot6832]

Prus. Curassier Rating your own comments up? Classy. Then changing your name to something else and rating it up again? Good grief.

[@TrueIronMaidenFan]

AssinnippiJack Braveheart is a much MUCH better film then this but I agree completely about Roth! I think it is one of the 10 best performances I have ever seen and I am an avid film watcher.

[@jdrancho1864]

Remarkable how Cunningham retains his composure while the Duke insults him, only to savor his revenge when he disassembles the Dukes' man.

[@DavidM_GA]

"I forget how much you dislike me, until I'm in your presence." LOL

[@sasarasasarasa]

great line

[@bladesaint21]

I finally saw this movie yesterday thanks to youtube clips I sought out this film. Great movie! Roth was amazing!

[@ericwall3526]

That confidence is so intriguing to me. I very felt that way a few times myself, it's a feeling that once you've found it, you will do anything to feel that again and again. It's so much better to feel it when you are in fact seen as the underdog. Then that feeling once released is unstoppable. Just like this scene. He knew he had him out clased as an opponent and all the talk beforehand just added to his confidence. The talk was his fuel and he used the talk so sublimely and never showed his emotion only to unleash it all at once. So classy while being dominate. I loved his bodily gestures to the nobles before this fight. Looked so silly for a stone cold killer.

[@RaiceGeriko]

I liked them both. I think they're both great movies. However, I will say I could rewatch Rob Roy more often than I could Braveheart. Rob Roy is never boring. Braveheart has some slow parts that I can get bored during.

[@curtiskretzer8898]

Own Rob Roy on DVD. Braveheart had so many issues,it figures that the airheads populating the AMPAS gave award to this wildly inaccurate🍿fluff

[@dreyk.4000]

Hurt is so great in this. "I've seen healthier graveyards than that woman's womb."

[@davidvance6367]

Drey K. The rich 300 years ago didn't play games.

[@booster5329]

Tim Roth with the quick feet and hands.Deadly.