Check out my mortise chisel shoot out review here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXrSc5ytaqadgsU
@EPSTomcat113 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this detailed review. Question: Why is that front dial there. Don’t you always want an opening for the shavings to come through? I don’t understand why you’d want to close it. Also, is the process to take a sample of your production wood, and use it to calibrate the block plane until it shaves evenly, and then you use it on your real piece? Do you have to calibrate every time or only when you change wood type?
@4newdogs3 жыл бұрын
I understand that Rob has to make a living. Good review and some excellent points. Including the Veritas would have made the Woodriver come in a solid third compared to the two premium planes as opposed to a decent plane for only a little more. Woodriver used to be a pretty good price point for value deal but the prices have crept closer to the actual premium planes and are not made in the USA or Canada.
@TonyNse2 жыл бұрын
you're right, but how can you make your product shine if you put it against so many better competitors?
@quidestnunc92382 жыл бұрын
The major Playahs in this Comparo should have been Stanley Sweetheart, Wood River (Chinese origin), Bench Dog (India origin), LN, Veritas, Veritas Custom, and the best Record block plane. Yes, that Is A Tall Order. Four other observations: 1) Veritas PM-V11 blades ("irons") are superior to any others (per Fine Woodworking test) with Hock A2 (made in France per Ron Hock) somewhere behind; 2) Each block plane should have had a surface check on the sole, period, full stop, no excuses. 3) And the sole should have been measured with an Engineers Square for 90 degree alignment with the sides. Mr. Cosman does not appear to perform sole Measurement evaluations in any of his plane tests. 4) Garrett Wade has Indian origin planes that May Be the premium Anants or Sobhas. However, a Harbor Freight block plane with a Veritas PM-V11 blade (Central Forge is the branding) may be the Value Winnah for the Chicken Dinnah!
@GARDENER428 ай бұрын
I agree it was regrettable not to include the Veritas, though in the end, this didn't affect my choice & whilst in the US last month, I purchased the Veritas low angle block plane (& their large router plane...).
@joschmoyo45322 жыл бұрын
I have been using a Stanley 60 and a half for over thirty five years professionally. Both with the standard and thicker after market Hock blades. The standard blades work fine in soft and hardwood. Perfect for trimming end grain, scrubbing nasty knots to save your smoother plane iron. The real trick is to wet the end grain before you plane it. We use them for thug work. Breaking arrises, cleaning up joints, scrubbing tenons to fit. It's not really a finishing plane but can't imagine life in the shop without one. Indispensable workhorse of a tool. Makes trimming through tenons quick and easy.
@Cope10244 ай бұрын
I have the 60 1/2 too. I also have the Record version. It lives in my Veto bag and the Stanley sits in a cabinet.
@Bogie38553 жыл бұрын
I have a Veritas. Better than my Stanley and made in Canada eh? I am a little surprised to see it missing in your lineup.
@I_like_pears3 жыл бұрын
I agree! I like Rob, but he tends to favor the companies he has worked with (in any of his other comparisons), i.e., Lee Nielsen and Woodcraft/Wood River, so it makes you wonder if the Veritas was objectively better and he didn't want to admit it.
@Mr_Rick Жыл бұрын
@@I_like_pears only Rob can say for sure but I understand there was some kind of issue between him and Lee Valley. Thus he never mentions them. Too bad because Lee Valley Veritas is one of the top best.
@robertadams6104 Жыл бұрын
I had two cheap block planes that I decided to refurbish. So I sharpened the blades and started flattening the soles. They were hard to adjust and really flimsy. I found I really hated them. I think one is destined to become a door stop. The other is getting a wood handle to become a hammer. After watching your video, I am now the proud owner of a Wood River Low Angle block plane. What a difference.
@Snipe251983 жыл бұрын
I have the Veritas low angle plane and feel it compares well with the best you show here
@ronin47113 жыл бұрын
I also have a Veritas and I think it's the best. I bought a tote add on and a large front knob that makes it like a LA #1 hand plane, fantastic to play with. I would buy just for the curiousity the Woodriver as a second LA plane...
@Mr_Rick3 жыл бұрын
I have it too. Love it !!
@maxoumaxou80813 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rob for putting the subtitles on so quickly, thinking about those with little worries. I very much appreciate your videos as well as your kindness in helping us and responding as much as possible.👏 and since I'm clumsy I deleted my first text when I wanted to edit it. thanks Rob 👍
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
Maxou...I just got home and checked the video and subtitles were on. I have my upload defaults set to turn subtitles on every video, automatically. KZbin does the auto subtitles so maybe their system was a little slow on this particular video, but I did nothing to "turn them on"
@billqqq3 жыл бұрын
The Stanley rides around in my carpentry bag, the Lie-Nielsen is on the shelf in the shop. Great review. Rob.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
A great comment
@Loranzojose20003 жыл бұрын
In defense of the old 60 1/2, the ones made a century ago have a large bedding surface like the LN or WR planes do. That skinny bedding strip is something that began in the 50’s, I think.. t makes a huge difference. .
@billqqq3 жыл бұрын
@@Loranzojose2000 The antiques are also on the shop shelf. 😉
@dreyn77803 жыл бұрын
Proove you bought it. 90% are stolen and we'd love to catch the thieves. You've admitted you've got at least 1. Why don't you have the set? Were you only offered 1 at the pub? Where's the res of them. we know carpenters are in possession of all the stolen Stanley low angle block planes.
@alandust21883 жыл бұрын
First time I've seen one of your videos. It won't be the last. Thanks
@yanai2193 жыл бұрын
I own 3 of the planes shown. I have to say that using them all, and seeing Rob's evaluation feels the same over the time I've used them. Another very important feature that Rob didn't show and I wish he had is the "flatness" of the sole. By far - Stanley SW has never come out of the box with a flat sole (and I exchanged it 4 times at the store based on that reason). If you have one or considering getting one, please check that and you'll find that piece to be true no matter what store you go to.
@quidestnunc92382 жыл бұрын
The major Playahs in this Comparo should have been Stanley Sweetheart, Wood River (Chinese origin), Bench Dog (India origin), LN, Veritas, Veritas Custom, and the best Record block plane. Yes, that Is A Tall Order. Four other observations: 1) Veritas PM-V11 blades ("irons") are superior to any others (per Fine Woodworking test) with Hock A2 (made in France per Ron Hock) somewhere behind; 2) Each block plane should have had a surface check on the sole, period, full stop, no excuses. 3) And the sole should have been measured with an Engineers Square for 90 degree alignment with the sides. Mr. Cosman does not appear to perform sole Measurement evaluations in any of his plane tests. 4) Garrett Wade has Indian origin planes that May Be the premium Anants or Sobhas. However, a Harbor Freight block plane with a Veritas PM-V11 blade (Central Forge is the branding) may be the Value Winnah for the Chicken Dinnah!
@BobBlarneystone3 жыл бұрын
The L-N was the first truly good plane that I bought - it was expensive but it opened my eyes to planing. Later I bought a Stanley 60-1/2 from the estate of a 1950s GM body stylist / patternmaker, and it was tuned to perfection. None of the other planes that i bought or was given are worth mentioning.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
Yup one was well manufactured and one was well tuned and maintained
@thefleetfarmer18153 жыл бұрын
It’s so nice to have your review videos because instead of reading thru page after page of online reviews I can get an honest opinion from somebody that knows so much more about what to look for, thanks again Rob
@jimwaters80503 жыл бұрын
Rob’s reviews are not honest reviews. The only people that think he knows a lot are the people that have not yet learned enough to realize he doesn’t know all that much. It’s sad that he puts poor and false information out there for people that aren’t yet educated enough to realize he is a man trying to sell a Chinese lower quality tool in Canada, when there’s a Canadian tool, (Veritas) that is top quality just so he can make money. He shamefully takes advantage of the people that trust him.
@738polarbear2 жыл бұрын
I bought the Wood River low angle based on Rob's advice . It's a damn fine plane . You can even shoot with it to a point.
@laurencelance5863 жыл бұрын
The Lie is by far my favorite. The size of the plane fits my hand better than any other modern plane I've seen. I had an old Stanley, probably from the 40s that I also liked.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
LN is a great plane
@glenpaul36063 жыл бұрын
I have some of my dad's old planes that I'm refurbishing. He was a master carpenter for 45 years and i learned a lot from him. I was from Canada and sadly I wasnt able to get all his tools down to Texas after he passed away. I did get several of his antique wooden planes but I am missing his a block planes (and other specialty planes he had) so I want to buy one...but which to buy? Your review was absolutely excellent and comprehensive. You covered all the necessary and important criteria in your evaluations of each plane in a systematic and easy to follow manner. Based on your recommendation, I will buy the Wood River low angle block plane. I've watched several other reviews and they were essentially worthless and poorly done compared to yours...they were basically a waste of time. I noticed you did not have the Veritas plane in your lineup...wondered why? I want to thank you for doing such a great job reviewing these planes in such a factual and organized manner. I watch several other shows on woodworking but none holds a candle to yours. You are far and away the best on you tube.
@DanielMoerman3 жыл бұрын
Hi rob. I guess I would have enjoyed this more if you had included the Veritas low angle block. It's expensive, but I also have one of the old stanleys, and the difference is astronoomical!!
@dreyn77803 жыл бұрын
Also a plane that's been impossible to buy for the last 25 years. There's no point gossiping cause they don't exist.
@nathanfife28902 жыл бұрын
@@dreyn7780 what makes it hard to buy?
@roberth2932 жыл бұрын
@@dreyn7780 I just bought one in PMV-11. And there are more available online.
@quidestnunc92382 жыл бұрын
Yay, verily: the major Playahs in this Comparo should have been Stanley Sweetheart, Wood River (Chinese origin), Bench Dog (India origin), LN, Veritas, Veritas Custom, and the best Record block plane. Yes, that Is A Tall Order. Four other observations: 1) Veritas PM-V11 blades ("irons") are superior to any others (per Fine Woodworking Magazine test) with Hock A2 somewhere behind; 2) Each block plane should have had a surface check on the sole, period, full stop, no excuses. 3) And the sole should have been measured with an Engineer's Square for 90 degree alignment with the sides. Mr. Cosman does not appear to perform sole Measurement evaluations in any of his plane tests. 4) Yay, verily: the major Playahs in this Comparo should have been Stanley Sweetheart, Wood River (Chinese origin), Bench Dog (India origin), LN, Veritas, Veritas Custom, and the best Record block plane. Yes, that Is A Tall Order. Footnote: Garrett Wade has Indian origin planes that May Be the premium Anants or Sobhas. However. a Harbor Freight block plane with a Veritas PM-V11 blade (Central Forge is the branding) may be the Value Winnah for the Chicken Dinnah!
@James_T_Kirk_17012 жыл бұрын
They excluded it because it is hands down the single best block plane you can buy. Just for PVM-11 alone.
@horatiobeaker3 жыл бұрын
Your mastery of tools combined with your excellent teaching style combine to make your videos both profoundly enjoyable and easy to apply at our own benches.
@dreyn77803 жыл бұрын
Wrong. The 2 recommend planes have been continuously sold out for 25 years.
@tommyconditionone91823 жыл бұрын
How can you not include Veritas in any plane shootout? Thank you for the great content in all of your videos by the way.
@dreyn77803 жыл бұрын
Only Stanley IS for sale in Australia. Stanley or Gordon wooden planes. Everything else is way lower than poor ol Stanley who cops a kicking and doesn't deserve it at all. Woodwork snobs or woodwork thieves, that's almost all there is. An Australian carpenter stole 2 children 4 days ago. They buy stolen Stanley's and think about stealing other peoples children. That's the new gen Australian woodworker.
@bigkiv472 жыл бұрын
@@dreyn7780 WTF are you on about lol
@ShayneRiceNZ2 жыл бұрын
@@bigkiv47 Australians mate, no surprises there
@James_T_Kirk_17012 жыл бұрын
Because the Veritas would wood make the LN and Overpricedshippedovertheriver cry. Everyone Carrie’s on and on about Lie Nielsen but my Veritas smoother is the best plane I’ve ever used. I owned a LN no. 4 that I sold on eBay for almost no loss. They have their fans I’ll give them that but the Lee Valley stuff simply works better. Plus… PVM-11.
@gsh3199 ай бұрын
I was glad to hear you say that the old Stanley was good for carpentry, ..... yes, laying up high in a wet and dirty tool bag being brought into the game to take a high end off an ill fitting jack rafter,... did I say it was a rain snow mix? That old steel has a place in the game. Thanks Rob, excellent as always!
@davidjennings92533 жыл бұрын
Hey Rob - I do appreciate that LIe Neilsen make good planes, but they are expensive. However I have had my Stanley 601/2 block for over 45 years and it has served me very well on any number of different figured hardwoods. I admit that over the years I have fettled it a few times but I have to say it has always performed very well even on Pernambuco and Purpleheart as well as curly Maple and extremely figured Yew. I know the blade is thin but they were back then and I admit I have upgraded the blades in my other Stanley bench planes but there are not too many available for the 60 1/2 so I have learned to work with it and have never had a problem with the lever type cap and the mouth opens and closes perfectly. Just my opinion - Great video though keep it up and keep safe.
@irakopilow92233 жыл бұрын
I have been very happy with my L-N 60-1/2 for many years. I also have the 102 low angle and the 101 violin maker's plane. I use the 101 a lot for super fine guitar building tasks and it has a fixed mouth opening. I cut pieces of thin brass shim stock under the blade, which raises it up slightly. In turn, I am able to project the blade farther forward to close the gap without burying the blade deeper than I desire. I know that fiddling with a $100 violin maker's plane (no pun intended) seem like a waste, but this way I can get the performance I desire.
@danasmith89503 жыл бұрын
oh come on. That pun HAD to be intended.
@danielromans67462 жыл бұрын
I agree with Dana Smith, and would in no way apologize for it.
@jackleg6933 жыл бұрын
Why can’t all reviews be as clear and in depth as this!?! Fantastic review. Thank you for sharing. I’ve always liked using my Stanley block plane but as having no experience in using any other I found this review invaluable.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
So glad you found it helpful
@Best.Is.yet-2-come2 ай бұрын
What's not Clear is why the Veritas was not included
@williamaustin83642 жыл бұрын
This was an excellent good review. By that I don't mean simply that I mostly agree with your findings (although I do). No I thought your approach was thorough and covered everything important in a consistent manner. Thanks 🙂 I've been doing woodworking for a little over 50 years and I started out as a power-tools-only user. No, I take that back. I had a large handsaw (32" blade) which had been hanging around my family for longer than I've been alive (I think it was bought originally by my grandfater in about 1905 or so. I actually started woodworking out of necessity. I was in graduate school (today I'm a retired physicist) and needed book shelves, actually several of them. But after pricing them, I realized that I would have to build them myself. I remember naively thinking, "How hard could that be?" Yeah, right. Well the first one weren't perfect but the next was better, and the third one was actually decent. As it happened they worked out so well that I ended up with a little confidence, and a few months later I had added radiator covers (one of which was also a dedicated table for my typewriter with a hinged desktop); a wall-sized (12'w,8'h,18"deep) bookshelf/storage unit with a built-in fold-out desktop; a "fake" linen closet which was made to "blend in" in a corner so that it appeared to be built-in but wasn't; and several other things all of which I enjoyed using and all of which I sold to other grad students when I got my degree and left Boston. I mentioned those things because early on we had a small party and one of my professors came. He was so impressed with the things I had made in my "spare time" that he asked me to build a book case for him (and paid nicely). And after that I had more requests than I could fill and for the next 2 years I had no free weekends ... but the things I built paid my rent, so I was happy. And along the way I did learn (usually the hard way) a lot of practical things about woodworking. But all that time my only non-powered "tools" were a carpenter's square, the aforementioned hand saw, a tape measure, and a doweling jig. I still had no plans for hand tools and even didn't begin to think about a plane. That lasted until my wife and I bought our first home. From that point on everything had to be not only functional but also attractive (or "nicely finished" so that it might have come from a store ... my wife's description). So the first hand tool I bought was what I suspect was the "cheap" Stanley plane you included. Unfortunately I bought it on sale at a local hardware store and when I got it home and really examined it I discovered that it had a serious manufacturing defect. The sole was SEVERELY warped at the front, and when I tried to return it I found that the store's policy was no returns on sale items. (The sole was actually mis-cast and the warp was so bad that there was a bulge of about 3/32" at the front so that the plane would not sit on a flat surface and make contact. I'm still pretty sure that the plane's sole had somehow skipped the manufacturing step during which it would have been machined. Sigh.) As it was it was useless. I had bought a file somewhere along the way and after about a week's work I had successfully removed the "bulge" on the bottom so that it would work, and had also flattened the base using sandpaper (starting at #40 and working up to #1200 grit) on smooth piece of granite (part of a failed counter-top). Then at last I finally got to try planing with it. Now I knew nothing about what I was doing, but after more than a little trial and error, (heavy on the "error" part) I finally learned how best to adjust it AND how to plane with it and get the finish I wanted. (And yes, the two are definitely interdependent). To make a long story short, yes, this relatively-cheap Stanley was VERY frustrating to work with and I made plans to save up for a really good plane, specifically thinking of the Lie-Nielsen. However for $$$ reasons I decided to aim a bit lower (I know - you get no more than what you pay for ... and sometimes less...). But the owner of the local Woodcraft made me an offer I couldn't refuse. If I bought their low-angle block plane, the owner promised me that if I wasn't completely happy with it, not only could I bring it back, he'd also give me a $50 store credit to use any way I wanted. That was a "safe" offer on his part though, because after initially tuning it up a bit I never once thought about returning it. So I completely agree with your conclusion about the Woodcraft plane as well. The Lie-Nielsen would be nice, but since I've never had a problem (after at least 15 years) with the Woodcraft, adding the more expensive L-N plane would (from my perspective) be wasting money, said $$$ being very useful to buy other things I didn't have :-). Besides your conclusions, I really liked the way you went over the finishing of the various planes as well. The finish was one of the reasons I didn't buy the Rockler (on a larger plane). It had a VERY sharp edge but ONLY on the left side of the base. Hmm. Only on ONE side? When I see something like that I almost always have to ask myself, "OK, what else didn't get done right?" Now when I look for tools (hand or powered, stationary, or otherwise) I check the overall finishing. Were the places which should have been milled actually milled, and if so how well; how are the tolerances; what's loose that shouldn't be; etc. ad nauseam. Basically I guess that I'm being too picky. But I've never had problems on any tool I've bought which were cause by bad (or omitted) machining. Missing parts, yes. cheap finishing, no. So thank you for your review. I'm looking for a really long-bed plane at this point and you added a couple of things I need to watch out for.
@johnnorris15463 жыл бұрын
I have had my low angle wood river block plane for about 3 months now. It works great and is a lot of fun to use.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
Sounds great. How is your sharpening skills coming along?
@jasonmcconnehey85823 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more. I bought a Taytools block plane when I first started out woodworking because I was being cheap. It gets the job done, but the description of "crude" is dead on. I am constantly having to sharpen the blade, and the adjustment is beyond frustrating. Once I bought my Woodriver block plane, the differences was night and day. Rob says it all the time and he is so right....DON'T BUY CHEAP! Save your money and buy a tool that will be useable for a lifetime.
@andycarson33413 жыл бұрын
I'm also a convert to the save and buy better/best philosophy. I've wasted so much time and energy trying to rehab old planes and it's just not worth it. I splurged on a WR 5 1/2 and was astounded by the performance difference. I'm putting my used planes on ebay to help fund WR block plane.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
I get hammered by some folks who want the cheapest they can get but I stand by my philosophy of get the best, you only cry once....As you found out. Thanks for commenting
@andycarson33413 жыл бұрын
@@RobCosmanWoodworking My free time is precious. I would rather spend it creating something than getting tools ready to create something.
@KJLord-zy5yq3 жыл бұрын
I made the mistake of buying a Taytools low angle jack and had to send it back. Credit where it's due - they were great about taking it back and refunding my purchase. Suffice it to say that your review of their block doesn't surprise me. Bought a Veritas block and like it. Disappointed to see that it wasn't included in the comparison, but completely understand your inability to comment on them. Wish the world wasn't quite so litigious...
@norm57853 жыл бұрын
Just a wonderful presentation, I have the old Stanley plane from my dad, you are right with your assessment. I have been considering the Wood River and this has made it easier to move forward with purchasing one.
@richardgoebel2263 жыл бұрын
I met someone on a job site who was trying to use the cheap Stanley block plane. Frustration and anger trying to plane a door edge. That evening I borrowed his plane. I flattened the sole, filed the bed and sharpened the blade. Next day I gave it back to him. He was happier that it worked better. Then I pulled out my LN and let him use it. The look on his face was priceless. Now he understands he should pay more to get a better quality tool rather than struggle with cheap crap.
@theeddorian3 жыл бұрын
If you go with the Lie Neilsen, then instead of the 60 1/2, the 60 1/2 rabbet is what I would prefer (do). It does everything the regular 60 1/2 does, and it does rabbets and tenon cheeks as well. It costs $10 more.
@SaintFredrocks4 күн бұрын
You seem like you are quite intelligent. Oh, I am ordering the rabbet tomorrow.
@neuro518 Жыл бұрын
I started woodworking in 1970 and back then the Stanley 60-1/2 was the state of the art so everybody had one. The first thing we did was to remove that bell crank mouth adjuster and throw it in a drawer somewhere. Using your thumb and finger you can make a much finer and quicker mouth opening from wide open to zero. By the way, of the hundreds of hand tools I have bought new and used, I have never bought a single one that was ready to use out of the box. This is especially true of planes.
@allen1313133 жыл бұрын
My Stanley Sweetheart block plane is about 2 years old and it doesn't have the toe plate problem you encountered. It will tighten the throat up as tight as I want. The lateral adjustment is much tighter than yours too. The mystery material lever cap is holding up well and it's comfortable in my hand. I did have to spend about half an hour flattening the sole and easing the corners. IMO, the Stanley is the equal of the Wood River unless it's a lemon like you apparently received. Pretty unwise of Stanley to send YOU a lemon.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
We purchased it off of Amazon so they didnt know ir was me. I can only review what they send me and if that passes quality control I am concerned about their quality control. Even if the throat closed because I find it too heavy in the hand and the adjustment threads are milled into a piece of aluminum not steel I would pay the extra $20 for the WR
@chrisdenison6550 Жыл бұрын
Hi Rob, I agree with other comments very biased - my brand new Stanley not the 2 you had on show ( very old and clearly passed their used by date in my view - but you are the expert!! Enjoy learning from you! Cheers Chris "The Aussie living in the Netherlands " 🇦🇺🇦🇺
@carlantaya1753 жыл бұрын
I like that you don't just do random reviews of tools. The part about why you use a specific tool is awesome and you don't see that with most reviewers.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
My goal is to teach and pass on the woodworking knowledge my mentors gave me. Hopefully I am doing them proud
@dianemiller70103 жыл бұрын
Thank you! As a beginner I need good honest technical advice.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching and commenting
@dreyn77803 жыл бұрын
He warned you he was going to lie to you. Factories make sets of planes. The biggest factory makes you the most options at the best possible price. Rob isn't allowed to take the Stanley plane out of the SET of planes and misuse it. Stanley sells you a SET of dedicated specialist planes. Robs other planes aren't dedicated specialist planes. The Professional has a SET. You're buying into a SET of planes.
@cuebj3 жыл бұрын
Very useful. Agree about handling comfort with so many items of equipment from woodwork to gardening, cameras, smartphones, cars, kitchen layouts and utensils, bicycles. I've learned for myself and, perhaps even more when coaching other people, that what works best for me might not work best for them even if price and other factors make one thing better than another on most criteria. Always worth taking time to try things out in a real store so I pay a £ or two more for touch and feel rather than buy online unless not available locally
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
I almost always think ergonomics is my #1 consideration. If it doesn’t feel/fit well i wont reach for it
@joewalton60563 жыл бұрын
9:57 "I would say that's excessive". What an excellent line...
@J4Julz Жыл бұрын
I think that watching all of Rob's plane videos before making a single plane purchase should be my "whoa there" moment. How many times have I said, 'jeez I wish I had watched this video before buying XXX". Just the comparison of the mechanisms, the ease of use, the apparent quality out of the box make such important points to consider, and having them all together in one trial is so helpful. I know many more experienced woodworkers have had their favorite planes, years and years old, and I appreciate that you have some really good ones. But new planes just aren't generally made as well- the quality of the castings and machining just aren't there, imho. Looking at these details on mass produced tools from a machinist's perspective is so cringe worthy. smh every single time...
@MadHeadzOz Жыл бұрын
I recently inherited my Dad's Stanley block plane and had also been gifted a recent equivalent, "same" model. My Dad's version, he'd had since his apprenticeship in carpentry last millennia. It literally saw a lifetime of work and once I replaced the handle which had finally split is a pleasure to use even though I'm only learning the skill. The modern version by comparison is a bit of a disgrace. The machining is non-existent in parts of it. Where the iron etc sits it literally looks pulled straight from the cast and a rough cast at that, on the underside. Even after filing the rough dags off the angles on the bottom could never have worked with those on the top to align the blade and mouth properly or hold them rigidly in place. Rather than utilising the full width of the base it sits on narrow raised portions on either side. Held to them on the base with two machine screws which have scarce contact. I put washers on because I wasn't confident they would hold without deforming the part. I've had to level and hone every surface of it. A challenge as I lack the skill of a machinist to match my lack of carpentry skills. Not knowing when I was the problem or the tool. The backlash on the once brass, now plastic adjustment wheel is severe. The lever for angle adjustment of the iron is pathetically weak and prone to bending. I'm contemplating drilling out the rivet and replacing it with a more sturdy version but I'll be making that from scratch. The handles frequently loosen with use and there is no way they will last the 60 odd years that my fathers version did. Literally every part has needed work to make the tool fit for task. I'm confident even someone with knowledge, skill and experience would have been frustrated with the experience. It made for slow learning although I think I am recieving a thorough education courtesy of the highly flawed product. I understand not being able to use it straight from the box due to personal preferences for sharpening angle etc. But I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that to be the only necessary adjustment required to have a functional tool. If it wasn't a gift, I'd have returned it. Even on sale it was on the pricey side. It seems to me that the marketing is akin to fitness equipment. Continue sales rely on customers ignorance, lack of perseverance and mentality of everything being disposable. People buy it, struggle and put it in the too hard basket never to be used or spoken of again. It's appaling that standards have dropped so low that the bottom line $$ is all that matters. It may well be a poor tradesman who blames the tool. But with ever diminishing standards poor tradesman producing poor work is all we will have before long. Skills and knowledge will be lost and future generations will effectively have to reinvent the wheel after being taught to put the cart before the ox.
@markhilderbrand82043 жыл бұрын
Very new to woodworking and was looking at the taytools line. Thank you for stopping me from wasting my money.
@dreyn77803 жыл бұрын
Don't trust anyone, mark. For the price of 1, mass production sells you a SET. Nobody gets rewarded for buying 1 item. If you buy the SET you get rewarded.
@watermain483 жыл бұрын
Great comparison Rob. Once again I wish I could have seen it before purchasing the Stanley SW block plane. I have the WR low angle block plane and like it a lot. Thanks for sharing. And, thanks for wearing your poppy to salute our veterans with tomorrow being Veterans Day here in the US. Welcome home brothers and thank you for serving.
@dreyn77803 жыл бұрын
Wrong. Nobody gets rewarded for 1 purchase. Its impossible to take the Stanley plane out of the Stanley SET of planes. The sweet heart adds to the SET. You don't disrespect a company that OBVIOUSLY builds SETS of planes.
@5lstrat5373 жыл бұрын
I learned more about planes with this one video than the six before it. Unfortunately the first and only plane I bought was the cheap Stanley.
@dennisseemann5713 жыл бұрын
one quick thing you did not cover, manufacture support, I have a lie Nielsen (3 actually) block planes, 2-rabbiting and 1 low angle with the adjustable throat, 2 years ago I accidentally hit one of my rabbiting planes with a piece of wood, swiping it off my workbench and tossing it 6 feet across my shop where it struck a cement floor. The result was a damaged (bent) adjustment wheel. I was clear with Lie Nielsen that the fault was totally mine, and that the plane had been abused, they still replaced the plane for free (I paid to ship) they felt that their tool should have been able to withstand the impact, they take their lifetime warranty very seriously. They might be the most expensive, but they are the best built and the best supported.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
Yes, i can confirm they have great customer support. I have no experience with customer support of the other planes ( except WR) so I could not comment fairly on that aspect for all planes so I left that out
@jimbo2629 Жыл бұрын
I have the Qiangsheng which is similar to your wood river. It is very high quality but a bit heavy. I once bought a cheapo and fettled it using my milling machine. It works fine. I have an upgraded blade in the Stanley. It’s my go to for carpentry.
@antonpavlov61243 жыл бұрын
I wonder, why Veritas didn't make on the list🤔 Considering all the 🍁 in the shop
@frankwice48643 жыл бұрын
I have also wondered why there is never any Veritas tools even mentioned by Rob these tools are made in Canada by Canadians. But he pushes Chinese tools
@dondonaldson16843 жыл бұрын
He is anti-Veritas
@alanj8223 жыл бұрын
@@dondonaldson1684 why?
@dondonaldson16843 жыл бұрын
@@alanj822 because he has associated himself with a Chinese manufactured product from a U.S. company. He claims his legal Dept has advised him not to comment on Veritas. Hmmmm, you be the judge. Veritas = designed AND manufactured in Canada, a quality product. Lie Neilsen and Veritas are quality. Wood River isn't as good as he makes it out to be.
@phillmuz51843 жыл бұрын
Is it coincidence that the one he recommended happens to be the one he sells on his website? I have the lie neilson but used a friends veritas for the 1st time and it just felt better in the hand.
@deezynar3 жыл бұрын
I own a Stanley Sweetheart 60 1/2 that I bought brand new about 10 years ago. The throat adjuster on mine does not have the problem that yours has. Mine will close fully tight no matter where the blade edge is adjusted at. Also, the Norris style adjuster on mine is mounted precisely, it is not sloppy like the one you have. The cap is made of aluminum. The threads that the tension wheel runs in are raw aluminum, and they wear excessively. I anticipate that in the future I will have to drill it out, and insert a threaded steel part. It won't be hard, and it won't take me long, but it shouldn't be needed on a tool that is supposed to be premium quality. I first bought a Wood River with one of those floppy hinging caps. I hated it, and couldn't take it back soon enough. I traded it for the Stanley, which I am happy with. My only criticism of the Sweetheart, from a user's standpoint, is that it's as heavy as a brick. It is not a handy little tool to grab and use. If I had a milling machine, I'd cut off half the thickness of the sides to lose some of the weight. I'd also look to see how much thickness could be taken off of the sole before it impacts the mechanism. So, really, I'm glad that the cap is made of lightweight aluminum. The plane would be even more ridiculously heavy if the cap was steel, or bronze.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
We just purchased the one I reviewed, maybe their manufactureing quality has gone down in 10 years? I can only evaluate what they send me. I agree that its a very heavy block plane. If you have never used a snap cap it will feel a bit weird untill you give it a chance.
@deezynar3 жыл бұрын
@@RobCosmanWoodworking I thought that it's possible for Stanley's quality to have deteriorated in the 10 years since I bought mine, that's why I made sure to mention its age. They are wasting their time if they have let it slide that much.
@jleekuchingmalaysia66603 жыл бұрын
Great review, Rob. A few frustrations I had with the old Stanley is that the sole is not flat; the slide locking mechanism comes loose during planning and lots of chatter. I have given this tool up and going for the Woodriver. Anyone who wishes to buy a handplane should listen to our Guru - Rob.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
Yup, that a good run down of the common issues of an old Stanley
@Borescoped3 жыл бұрын
Caught a Rob video right from the start! Hope things are going well up there for the whole team.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
Lots of stuff going on up here
@Mars-zgblbl5 ай бұрын
Bridge City for the win baby
@DsHardWoodCreations3 жыл бұрын
Thanks rob. Really enjoy your instruction and have been putting it to use daily last cpl weeks. Actually got the wood river block plane and 5 1/2 about a month ago.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
Good for you. How is your sharpening?
@DsHardWoodCreations3 жыл бұрын
@@RobCosmanWoodworking going very well. Thanks to u
@billyblackie94173 жыл бұрын
Correct I always look for comfort when holding the plane and comfort when using it I find that a very important issue because if a tool is comfortable when using it can be an important issue to your work
@Chogogo7173 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I’ve got the Wood River, and was having issues adjusting the blade. I didn’t know you had to loosen the lever cap. I’m always learning something new.
@22busy432 жыл бұрын
A well done review. Exactly what I was looking for. You’ve convinced me to buy a veritas.
@totallynottrademarked52793 жыл бұрын
I regret ever buying a Taytools plane. Luckily it was just a block plane and taught me the valuable lesson that you get what you pay for. Wood River from here on out for me.
@trueleyes3 жыл бұрын
Boy am I lucky. I thought I'd waste time watching this video in sourcing for something to watch. NOT AT ALL. What an interesting review. I never thought reviewing block planes would be so interesting. I'm lucky because I have that WoodCraft block plane and almost bought the Lie Nielsen. lol lol lol lol I really did. I'm kind of in the mindset of Paul Sellers in that I use my Lie Nielsen #4 a lot and seldom my block planes except for chamfering edges and the like. Great Stuff Rob but then again aren't you ever always the master. Time Well Spent AGAIN.
@norm_olsen3 жыл бұрын
Another awesome video! Very good thorough comparisons! With regards to the Lie Nielson, I can confirm on my side that my NL #60 1/2 adjustable mouth does indeed close right up to the leading edge of the blade...
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
Norman I sold the LN for years, and I can confirm that this one that we received is the only one that I have seen that does not close up and I know that if I sent it back to LN they would fix it. I recommend you contact LN and they will fix yours. But we purchased these and I reviewed what we received. Several folks have told me they have seethearts that do not have the problems our had...But I reviewed what folks sent us.
@debandmike33802 жыл бұрын
so good to know that no matter what brand you buy, you get inconsistency. Given that, might as well buy the cheaper ones and work with it.
@rwdyer22632 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob, I would’ve enjoyed this video more had I watched it prior to purchasing the rockler bench dog two hours ago. LOL. Fortunately it’s still new in the box and I can return it and spend a few extra dollars and get a good solid plane. Thanks for an excellent video!
@BladeforgerKLX3 жыл бұрын
This explains some of my frustration with my Stanley block plane. I had to file the area where the blade rests to get it to work as well as it does, but I definitely see an upgrade to the Wood River block plane. Soon. Thanks!!! And thanks for all that you do for veterans, too!!!!!
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
Well thank you for watching and commenting
@dreyn77803 жыл бұрын
Its actually a down grade. For the price of 1 plane, Stanley sells you a SET of dedicated specialist planes.
@christophercrowle97533 жыл бұрын
Being a carpenter that does mainly site work, I love a block plane, had a record cheap and nasty the adjustment wheel kept falling off, then a stanley which I let somebody borrow which was left in the rain and turned to a pile of rust. Could not fussed with makeing that good, so went for a standard woodriver, love it. Awesome brand for the price, also have a no5 jack plane. For finishing a nice oak or walnut door edge it's the best.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
So what did the guy who left your plane in the rain say?
@christophercrowle97533 жыл бұрын
Literally was a, o yaa sorry about that. Wasn't much help tbh.
@tdkrei3 жыл бұрын
Hello Rob, thanks for your valued assessment and honesty. Keep on smiling.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
Thnaks for the comments and for watching. So many folks out ther automatically think I am doing these reviews for my own benefit...get you to buy my planes. And that is SO VERY wrong. Just look at all my videos and what I do...not just my tool reviews.
@tdkrei3 жыл бұрын
@@RobCosmanWoodworking I hear you and feel your frustration. I might be a vet but you are one of my hero's. Again thank you. Keep on smiling.
@h3h3umm7 ай бұрын
exactly what i was looking for. Thank you
@JaredRandal3 жыл бұрын
This was such a great review!! I just put the Woodriver plane on my Xmas list :) Thanks for the info, Rob!
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
Glad you found it useful
@larrychristensen59173 жыл бұрын
Rob as always enjoyed the video and agree 100% on the cheap planes. I bet your tired of answer the same question over and over. Take care / be safe.
@jimbo26293 жыл бұрын
I think beginners need better tools and materials than the more experienced. I am not surprised by the recommendations. I personally prefer the Stanleys because they are lighter. My recommendation would be to buy a Stanley and when you want better buy a better blade for it. When you are more experienced and wealthier buy lie Neilsen or similar. I’ve been at it over half a century. Unless you are a hand tool only person, sanders overcome many of the difficulties planes present. I use my edge sander a lot to flatten and to square off. My thicknessing sander does not tear the grain.
@jeffkeisling35588 ай бұрын
Rob great video - quick reminders - what angle are you sharpening to and you put a micro bevel on the blade
@johnleedaveyjr3 жыл бұрын
excluding Veritas makes this not worth it for me. I know he said for beginners but the Lie Nielsen is there so Veritas should be there.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
Our legal department has advised us not to comment on veritas tools, so we dont
@samiam87223 жыл бұрын
@@RobCosmanWoodworking There are many veritas reviews why would they do anything to you legally?
@738polarbear3 жыл бұрын
@@samiam8722 They couldn't as reviews are only opinions and cannot be challenged in court.
@samiam87223 жыл бұрын
@@738polarbear A lawsuit can be filed for almost anything but spurious ones are usually thrown out
@tonyr32953 жыл бұрын
Clearly there was a confidentiality or NDA with veritas.
@ianjay32863 жыл бұрын
The old Stanley is the most popular block plane in a UK Joinery Shop. I've had mine for 40 years and now have fitted a Hock A2 blade.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
Hocks are good blades. , Ron Hock preferes O-1 to A2 steel so the majority of his blades are O1 although he does get a French company to mack some A2 steel for him.
@konstantinivanov19863 жыл бұрын
Have the new Stanley SW( first batch that was on the market)and on mine mouth closes all the way up but I had problem with lateral adjust.All the other points you made were accurate. Guess QC wasn't that great .Made it work fine but for the money it should work right of the bat I think.
@wabio2 жыл бұрын
You are much better off spending an extra $20 and upgrading from the regular Lie Nielsen block plane to their Rabbeting block plane. There are numerous videos on it.......and it's fantastic.
@capefalconkayakАй бұрын
I just recently found your channel on the recommendation of a friend because I was interested in expanding my sharpening knowledge, and in general, I appreciate the work that you do but I think this video draws some poor conclusions based on the perception of the planes and very limited testing. there’s a huge difference between taking a couple swipes on the edge of a piece of wood clamped in a vise, and using a plane like this aggressively for several hours. As a professional boat builder and Boatbuilding teacher, I’ve had the opportunity to interact with all of these planes, extensively and not just how I would use them, but watching how they hold up to students sharpening them and using them. I find that even when trained in proper sharpening techniques, average woodworker struggle to get A2 sufficiently sharp, and even when it is sharp for whatever reason, the edge doesn’t seem to last much longer, so in actual practice, people seem to do worse work with A2 blades. That’s my main criticism of the Lie Nielsen. I have a hard time being objective about the wood river because I personally hate how they feel in my hand and I ran into a lot of them, but I could never get running right and I could never figure out why. The Stanley Sweetheart is absolute garbage. We both agree on that. The Veritas deserves more credit, it’s a decent plane that tunes up nicely and I really appreciate that I can choose the blade steel that comes with when making the purchase. The lever cap that you mentioned actually has a purpose, the broader surface area contacting the blade as opposed to the single point of the other styles allows you to tune the cap pressure to where the blade will stay put, but can also be slightly adjusted in and out without unscrewing the thumb wheel, which is really useful for micro adjusting on the fly. The cap style of the Stanley plane and also the older record planes are functionally similar in this way. The important thing to know about the Stanley planes, however is that there are vast differences between the generations. The Stanley block planes that were made in the United States up until the 1980s remain in my opinion the best low angle block plane in existence. There are significant machining differences from the newer ones which are made overseas and despite being lightweight with very little support at the front of the blade they will outcut any of these other planes in any wood of hardness up to about eastern ash. They are light in the hand, easy to sharpen and a joy to use which makes a huge difference when you’re spending 3 hours finishing a set of ash oars. Honestly, even the ones produced up into the early 2000s could be tuned up, reasonably well with one fatal flaw, and that was that they moved the pivot point for the throat adjustment into the actual throat so chips would clog in that area, fortunately there is enough metal on the bottom of casting that you can file it off to open up the throat again. Unfortunately, as of 2010 the castings have deteriorated so bad that it’s pretty much impossible to tune one of these into good working order. My current recommendation for my students is actually the new Jorgensen block plane. It costs $35 and is reasonably comfortable with good quality machining and a decent quality blade. Like every other plane in this test, it’s heavier than it needs to be and flattening sole is brutal, but for overall value, I feel like nothing else even comes close right now. Still, Flattened and tuned side-by-side with a 1950s Stanley 60 1/2, the Stanley still cuts better, although that advantage might disappear in very hardwoods.
@tomas67002 жыл бұрын
This was a long drawn out commercial for the Woodriver. Although, also very informative.
@ureasmith30492 жыл бұрын
Wow! LN block planes that much now..I bought mine 20 years ago. O1 steel 129 bucks back then. Been tempted to sell it, rarely reach for a block plane in my shop.
@murphymmc3 жыл бұрын
I've acquired a few block planes in the last few years, all eBay stuff, none of them what I would call high quality. All the negative points you show, I've experienced, though with Stanley and Miller Falls planes. I do appreciate your concise evaluation as to the next "quality" block plane I'm going to purchase. I've looked at the other planes you have evaluated and held off because I know how sales pitches work. WR it is and if the ship comes in, LN. Thanks
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree
@johnburens3395 Жыл бұрын
I have a little Record 60 1/2 that I got 30 years ago for sash work. It works for general carpentry stuff, but it can't handle hardwood at all. The blade in it is pathetically thin. Like Rob Says, better tools mean better performance! I think the Wood River might be my next block plane...
@PhotographyByLenny8 ай бұрын
I have the Taytools 69 1/2 block plane. I know it is not a premium plane. I have no problem with the adjustment. It works great. It also holds it's edge very nicely. I love it. I am really surprised it got such a bad review from Rob. Maybe he just got a lemon.
@JohanLarssonKiruna3 жыл бұрын
Nice demonstration, thanks! I hoped the Veritas DX60 was amongst the planes tested, I would have appreciated an honest opinion on it.
@jimwaters80503 жыл бұрын
Sorry no honest opinions handed out here.
@justinsane3323 жыл бұрын
cosman doesnt even soeak their name. I dont know the facts, but you wont see veritas here. I can tell you I own many of their tools and they dont disappoint. neilson is a go to as well. either will be a good quality, good feeling tool.
@paulnye18997 ай бұрын
Yet again... A great video. Thanks
@ricknelson17393 жыл бұрын
I would love to buy some LN as well as some Bridge City tools but anything from the U.S. is at least 30% more, plus more for shipping to Canada, plus the 30% on that and on some things Customs charges. If our dollar ever gets back to on par or close then fine, but until then Veritas is the best quality for the money for Canadians.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
Yes the exchange and the currency conversion does hurt.
@stevem2683 жыл бұрын
between veritas and oneway(for turning stuff), we canadians have a lot of nice stuff to choose from
@chuckgrumble54403 жыл бұрын
bridge city is chinese now
@stevenvachon97452 жыл бұрын
This is a very good point. Example is the Woodriver block plane is $291 on Amazon where the Veritas is $185. Not sure why Rob did not include the Canadian made Veritas, being a Canadian, eludes me.
@chickenguru42 жыл бұрын
@@stevenvachon9745 I could be wrong but I’ve never seen him talk about veritas. May be some bad blood there.
@TheTranq3 жыл бұрын
Just got the Low Angle Lie Nielson. excited
@liquiddreamification7 ай бұрын
I like the antiques. Buy em cheep clean and restore em and your golden.
@Hellcommander2453 жыл бұрын
I would go for the Lie-Nielsen rabbet block plane, personally. Only costs $10 more, and has more functionality than a normal block plane.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
I love the LN rabbet plane, but it dosent function well as a block plane. I prefer to use a block plane instead of my skew rabbit fir block plane tasks
@rockharvey57873 жыл бұрын
Great comparison. I was considering the new Stanley sweetheart, but now I’ll spring for one of the premium planes.
@dreyn77803 жыл бұрын
It was a terrible comparison. He warned you he was about to take the Stanley plane out of the SET of planes. For the price of 1 plane, Stanley sell you a SET of dedicated specialist planes.
@johnanderson80962 жыл бұрын
Excellent Excellent Review!!!! Thank you...
@janschatteman38733 жыл бұрын
Yeah, ok, so no surprises on the outcome 😏 No doubt both the WR as well as the LN block planes deserve to be at the top, but one might ask oneself if there is any sense at all in comparing high-end tools with common diy stuff that comes in at 20% of the price of the others ... you wouldn't compare a bmw to a tata either i would say.
@The9q113 жыл бұрын
Please stop use than car references! They don't work in the non-car world. If you look at bwm and tata you will notice the difference without even turning engine on. This is not true about planes or saw. From the first glimpse you will barely see the difference between those 6 planes. Without taking off liver cap you won't see the difference in thickens of the blades etc. Old version of Stanley is cheapest but good for carpentry. The two planes 60-80 usd range not good at all for anything (according to Rob's overview). Knowing differences in detail is important to do a choice. That's why it's nice to have all possible options from all price ranges. And apart from world of cars there are not so many differences you have to take in mind. For those how works with pine wood to round rough edges cheap Stanley ( aka Tata) will do the job.
@PaintHerWhite Жыл бұрын
@@The9q11. You are full of it
@danielgeng23063 жыл бұрын
Just throwing this idea out there for a live feed project, how about a Cosmonized Dutch tool chest ? Then everyone would have something to carry their tools in when they come to your class :)
@Glassed_in_Nature3 жыл бұрын
^^Yes please !!
@brian77799915 күн бұрын
I have the Chinese made Luban block plane ; very similar to that first plane. It works well but the adjustment dial under the brass knob is awkward to get at. It should be bigger in diameter as it is difficult to adjust.
@Belizzle3 жыл бұрын
This is really helpful. I am new to hand tools and was given an old Stanley block plane (looks like an older version of the classic Stanley) without an adjustable throat. It has been beyond frustrating to try to make work. I wasn't sure if it was the plane or if it was user error, but watching this, I've been dealing with all the negatives you mention in your review, but then with the added "bonus" of a non-adjustable throat. Looks like I'll need to look for something better.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
I agree
@mgaretz8 ай бұрын
I just bought a Rockler Bench Dog 60 1/2 block plane *before* watching your video. I immediately thought "uh oh" but when I checked my plane it had none of the faults that you found in yours. The sliding plate for the mouth adjustment fits great with a gap that looks just like the good ones in the video, the plate is nice and level with the sole, and my lateral blade adjustment works fine. Maybe you got a lemon, or maybe they have improved it since the review. I do wish it had a better blade material - do you know if the Stanley (non-sweetheart) blades will fit? There are some aftermarket replacement A2 blades available.
@kylehippley89293 жыл бұрын
Thanks to you and your team! Thoroughly enjoy your videos and always enjoy them. Keep up the good work.
@dreyn77803 жыл бұрын
Robs not allowed to change context. You're not allowed to slander the professionals. You're not allowed to take 1 plane out of the SET of planes. You're CHILDISH gossips.
@HWCism3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, nice to know the good points to look for.
@frankdesantis4523 жыл бұрын
Thorough as usual, even though you dumped on my old stanley that I've had for 30 years. Maybe it's time for an upgrade.
@stevem2683 жыл бұрын
stanley used to make a good block plane, i have a 60 yr old one and its excellent, your 30 yr one is likely better made than the one rob is showing
@wanderingwinos Жыл бұрын
Nice review, but I would have liked to see your take on Lee Valley Veritas, too.
@markjarman78193 жыл бұрын
Another honest fully detailed review perfect thank you. That Stanley sw is a real let down. You have saved me waisted money on that.
@dreyn77803 жыл бұрын
If you listen to male gossip it'll waste 20 years out of your life. You won't get rewarded for buying 1 item. Rob needs to leave the Stanley in the SET of planes. He's not allowed to remove 1 plane out of a SET.
@michaelmassetti40682 жыл бұрын
I have watched a number of utube videos and I have found a new resource tool for learning. However I can not afford an expensive plane . The best i see are big box type planes at menards or home depot or harbor freight tools in the states. However thank you. Mike m. Chicago il
@JamesWilliams-en3os3 жыл бұрын
Nice review, Rob. I’ve been thinking of upgrading from my old Stanley block plane for a while, so this is relevant to me. I’ve been really happy with my Wood River No. 5-1/2, was thinking of sticking with the brand on this next purchase... so I’m glad the WR block plane came out on top here.
@dreyn77803 жыл бұрын
Bullshit. Every Stanley plane gets stolen from new. That's 90% of all new Stanley planes.
@Gogreenoo32 жыл бұрын
@@dreyn7780 Nothing you say makes any sense. You’re either drunk or a bot.
@davidtremaine80763 жыл бұрын
Just curious why you left out the Veritas block plane. Would have been a good comparison with the Lie-Nielsen, even though neither are really beginner planes.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
My legal team has advised me not to comment on that brand, and so I heed that direction. However, I disagree with your statement about LN not being a beginner’s plane. I believe that as a beginner you need all the help you can get. You need a plane that works properly right out of the box. One that is easy to adjust, holds an edge well (if they’re new to sharpening it would be frustrating to have to resharpen, as well as re-set the plane often) and doesn’t produce any chatter. Remember, a professional would know why a plane isn’t performing well, a beginner would assume that’s just how it is.
@dcalihou19983 жыл бұрын
Exellent review. Thank you for the comparisons. I really enjoy your videos.
@dreyn77803 жыл бұрын
It wasn't an excellent review. Stanley's block plane is better than robs low chisel thing. Rob changed context and he's NOT allowed to change context.
@williamaustin83642 жыл бұрын
Mostly agree - good review (& thanks)
@larrybud3 жыл бұрын
The main thing to take away is the slop in the adjustment knobs and designs. If the blade isn't advancing or retracting as needed when you turn the adjustment knob, that's a no go. Whether the plate is aluminum like in the stanley really isn't going to affect anything, and some may want a lighter plane when using and carrying around a block plane. Gap in the toe plate? If it's making marks in the wood obviously that's no good, but otherwise as long as it's a flat surface you're fine. What would REALLY be important is to know the quality of the steel for the blades.
@TerryPullen3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video. I was a little disappointed that you did not test the planes on end grain but that doesn't disqualify the results. I have an old Stanley pressed steel plane that outperforms my Stanley block plane. It's no Lie Neilson but it has a place in my tool bag.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
Contrary to common lore I sont think a block plane is a good choice for end grain. Its a small lite plane and heavier plane is called for when planing tough endgrain
@TerryPullen3 жыл бұрын
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Sometimes I do things the hard way. I've been working wood for almost 60 years and I just never thought of that. Thank goodness no one is watching I'm a little embarrassed.
@danaparish16443 жыл бұрын
Great information Rob. I’m a beginner with hand tools and this was a PERFECT video for me. I just picked up the 5 1/2 from Woodcraft and couldn’t be happier! I also made your $100 bench and its one of the best designs I’ve ever seen and I had a great time making it. Thanks so much. I have one question for your Rob, is there a possibility that you could have a class (maybe at a Woodcraft Store) sometime in the future, where you have an instructor teach your hand sharpening process? Much of your technique (and I’ve studied your video-“32 seconds to sharp” many times) that really needs an experienced eye to critique your form.
@RobCosmanWoodworking3 жыл бұрын
What WoodCraft store is nearest to you?
@danaparish16443 жыл бұрын
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Hi Rob, I’m in Michigan. The nearest one is in Canton, Michigan but I would go to either store!
@dreyn77803 жыл бұрын
Wrong information from out of context Rob. You don't get rewarded for buying 1 item.
@charleshirst62203 жыл бұрын
Hi. I have had a Stanley 9 1/2 block plane for years. It has a different lateral adjuster to that in the video. I love it, it is my go-to plane for all those twiddly jobs (my No7 jointer plane ain't so good at twiddly jobs!). I treated myself to the Stanley Sweetheart and boy, what a load of rubbish compared to the old plane. You commented on the lightness of the cap. That is because it is an aluminium alloy, and not a good grade alloy at that, more akin to a hard cheese than metal. The clamping screw comes out of the aluminium way too far leaving far too few threads engaged, it then tips over and the threads are shot - USELESS. WRT the older Stanley (a 9 1/2 too I presume) I take your point regarding the land on which the blade sits and the fact that the lever cap sits a little behind this. Despite the blade thickness (or perhaps lack of it) the method of clamping the lever cap down simply will not be able to provide anywhere new the force required to lift the blade tip off its land. I also have a Faithfull version (available in the UK and cheaper than the Stanley), and whilst I love my old Stanley the Faithfull is excellent for the price. My view, for what it is worth, is that a beginner should buy the plane they can afford but focus on getting a good edge on the blade - AND AVOID THE SWEETHEART!
@dlevi672 жыл бұрын
I don't think Rob was referring to the lever cap lifting the blade; even with a thin blade, the pressure is way too low - I believe what he was saying is that if you apply downward pressure on the plane, the edge will be able to lever itself off the wood (chatter) using the lever cap as a fulcrum, as there isn't a solid 'metal sandwich' holding it.
@tellthemborissentyou3 жыл бұрын
I bought a Groz because I figured at the low cost I really couldn't lose. But I lost. It didn't adjust very well, didn't hold an edge and then fell to bits. ( I stripped the thread in the soft casting the machine screw goes into.). You have to divide the cost by the number of times you will use a tool. That means paying a bit more is worth it.