Robert Downey Jr. Iron Man RETURNING To MCU?!

Phase Zero podcast host Brandon Davis breaks down his new theory that would let Tony Stark use his knowledge of time travel to return to the MCU in Avenegers Secret Wars or Avengers Kang Dynasty without having to ressurect his character! While Tony Stark and Iron Man are very much deceased in the MCU, Tony Stark did have access to time travel tech, and even has some ties to Kang The Conquerer, so could an experimenting Tony Stark suddenly pop up in MCU phase 5 or 6, played again by Robert Downey Jr?
Find out why an RDJ return as Iron Man in the MCU may have already had the foundation laid out by Kevin Feige and Marvel as we break down this new theory on Phase Zero!
#ironman #tonystark #mcu

[@pCeLobster]

I love how Tony Stark basically stayed up late one night and invented time travel.

[@Kidrobot_fan]

Well he just made a navigator, didn’t actually invent it lol

[@aidanelmore6361]

@@Kidrobot_fan he discovered it, like mathematics, always been here, but was just discovered recently in comparison to human civilization

[@Whitebees]

It's uh 3AM Thoughts💀

[@aidanelmore6361]

@@Whitebees honestly man

[@Patrickkbateman]

When did you become a expert on time travel? Tony: last night

[@Hachi-Mi]

I kinda wanna see RDJ again but a bigger part of me is very satisfied of his legendary end in endgame so it's fine for me either way

[@brandonjlutisan]

Completely agree.

[@RolyTheHolyPaladin]

In boxing, when a great boxer returns from retirement, it usually ends bad and they stain their name. I’m not saying rdj would do this, I’m implying Marvel/Disney would do this to the character

[@bl4nk1e21]

@@RolyTheHolyPaladin oh yeah it's disney. he died early fortunatly

[@scottydog771]

I'd only want to see RDJ return if it was in another 10+ years. For now the character is done and bringing him back already would make his sacrifice feel more hollow. But if he's gone for a long long time it will still feel like he sacrificed himself but allow for a heartwarming moment where we see RDJ as iron man one more timeb

[@CK_0verLord1102]

fr

[@driskolestateshow]

The fact that Thanos knew who Tony Stark was in Infinity War gave me the chills. The way he said his name.

[@BettyRoberson-k7v]

Yep, on all of it

[@DavidStark-z8c]

Cause He blew Up His fricking Army of the chitaurie (dont know how to spell them)

[@driskolestateshow]

@@DavidStark-z8c he didn't say "Tony Stark" as he did it. He was important enough to be researched throughout the universe. That's my point.

[@DavidStark-z8c]

@@driskolestateshow cause He destroyed a complete Army of thanos thats my thought

[@scoreprogamez6667]

“Oops I accidentally found how to time travel”- tony stark

[@Kakarottssj6]

He is back as Dr. Doom

[@randygrosjean2873]

I’ve always thought that line was a seed for something in the future, just the way Tony says “you’ll see” it’s almost like he’s talking to the audience.

[@PhaseZero]

HE KNOWS SOMETHING

[@crisbox2007]

Thats so meta XD

[@anonemous7881]

Also when Spider-Man sees Tony in the park, he asks “where did you come from” and Peter says “the future”

[@zarrk1558]

@@anonemous7881 in infinity war?

[@anonemous7881]

Yes, in infinity war. Right before “he’s from space and trying to steal a necklace from a wizard”

[@FritzQS]

Everyone really wants to ruin Endgame, eh? RDJ said he’s done, and any type of return, other than already filmed memory, would completely spoil it in my eyes. Just let one of the greatest cinematic buildups and story arch stay that way.

[@aaryaaswadhati9918]

ik but like i want iron man

[@Vitallor]

All the mcu actors say this but I’m willing to bet when offered enough money they will come running back

[@ShaneWalsh0_0]

I know, let his death actually be his death, if he comes back that scene would be ruined, because what made us sad is that he died, and if they bring him back, we would just see it as a normal scene that is just there to be there

[@vietnamesetree9084]

No one wants to ruin end game, marvels done a great job of that themselves. 1 there’s too many damn holes in end game. 2 rdj’s contract ran out, he can renew, and comeback. 3 I think strange saw Tony as a threat so he offed him AND thanos so he didn’t have to worry about them both later in the future. And finally. Have you seen any of marvels new BS? Iron man returning to marvel wouldn’t spoil anything. Infact, it would make marvel great again. There’s no cinematic experience anymore. Everything’s just “ram a few females in” and call it a day. There’s no heart in it anymore. It’s just literal shit. The fact all the old characters have basically died, or “gotten old” or “magically forgotten about” is so bs. If that’s really all there is, then they all should’ve died at the end of endgame. Because the new marvel crap is already killing the company. Why not kill off everything that made the company grow to where it is now? Just say f*ck it and just kill the rest of the characters off. Because what I’m seeing now a days isn’t marvel. It’s just loose women with superpowers

[@MOMO-zx4pj]

Not quite it seems😂

[@BigMallTV]

Dr Doom

[@marcusward22]

I think there's no way Kang hasn't met our MCU's Tony or some other one. Here's a theory I have that would go against the comics: what if Kang, Nathaniel Richards, is actually from the lineage of our universe's Tony Stark?? Stark created a way to navigate the quantum realm and that technology evolving overtime might of been perfect years down the line by this Kang. Not sure I'd prefer that since he's in Reed Richards' lineage but still just a way to connect the Infinity Saga to the Multiverse Saga and have it be a direct link from the effect of Endgame

[@Dreadpoolz3977]

Please dear God no. Why do we have to keep screwing up Reed Richards and his lineage SOURCE MATERIAL EXISTS

[@Kyojuiro]

Kang himself said that he killed one of the Avenger who use hammer so people arguing about Kang met Iron man, Captain etc were just lame. Everyone know that.

[@milkmanman]

its never been fully established that reed is his family but hinted at

[@enderturtlegaming7194]

@@milkmanman he is in the comics

[@Kyojuiro]

@Alex T No it must be some other Thor, because we saw Captain America returned as old

[@thereeldeji3708]

Now RDJ is playing dr doom

[@estebanferreira8726]

He is going to have to come back to save the MCU one more time.

[@goestheboom5211]

I hope not he died fine the only way id want him back is as a villian or completely different varient tony the one that died needs to stay dead lets not ruin his character

[@brenanream639]

He is.

[@dragondudeyt2344]

It's the "You'll See" part he tells which makes the dialogue more mysteriously 🆒

[@Nomadic92]

I always said that to get him back without ruining the character is to have him replace Jarvis and be a suits AI of sorts. Imo that’s perfect

[@mlggamer5296]

well according to the comics they actually did something like that for ironheart so it wouldn't be far-fetched to say the same could be true when the show comes out

[@ShaneWalsh0_0]

Yeah that’s waaaaaay better than resurrecting him or bringing an iron man from another universe

[@user-Phoenix125]

A good explanation and nothing said to loop it back to the beginning. Well done.

[@fived9424]

Good explanation? This makes no sense

[@TheMitchZone]

Not to mention the fact that the actor of Kang is a huge fan of RDJ, and wants to see him return as Tony in the MCU. We all do, but perhaps he can actually help make it more possible? 🤔😍

[@melrick]

His character had the best ending. Shouldn't come back to spoil that end.

[@darkfalcon9]

That's quite a good theory. Especially considering they have made a somewhat time machine

[@bish09]

Somewhat?

[@Andrewleedy133]

To quote Hawkeye don't don't give me hope

[@metalled]

I wonder how Captain America felt when he saw Tony while keeping the stones back, or maybe he saw Howard marrying Maria and Tony being born

[@atharv2575]

"You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain"...one part of me is satisfied that they gave the best possible ending to Tony's legacy but the other part of me wants him back... But again, it's either RDJ or no one

[@CreationSGame01]

Sounds great, bring him back!

[@howdoichangemyprofilepictu9839]

To be honest... multiple timeliness is basically just another name for multiverse tropes in films. Yea I know it's technically different but they might as well be the exact same thing with the way writes use them.

[@lorifrisbie1023]

I don't care how he returns all I know is that Robert Downey Jr. Needs to return and he needs to return it in some form by iron man he is amazing the shows are amazing I look forward to so many more to come with all my favorites in them

[@woodworkingandepoxy643]

​@Huzeyfah Hussain how many times has iron man returned in the comics after death 😂 there is plenty of ways to make it happen where it doesn't effect the end of end game and I hope it does. Dude helped build the MCU. It wouldn't exist without him. It has royally sucked without him, captain America and the rest of the og avengers

[@djangofreeman9498]

Y'all all are greedy & inconsiderate. Instead of appreciating the performance RDJ gave & bowed out to, you clap a little then stick your hand for more as if he didn't just serve you a full coarse 5 star meal! Instead respecting his work, you demand more as if he's not an actual breathing person, as if he doesn't deserve to retire. Y'all wanna see the man play Tony till he croaks on screen irl! Smh 🤦🏿

[@PlantainsAndBeaaaannns]

@@djangofreeman9498 well said!

[@ShaneWalsh0_0]

Stop being greedy and childish, let his death be his death, bringing him back would only ruin endgame

[@ShaneWalsh0_0]

@@djangofreeman9498amen brother, those gay stans getting too greedy

[@guyG359]

Tony is not responsible for creating time travel, I think he just discovered a different way to do it.

[@jassinzaidani5513]

What if the version of tony that survives all this endgame stuff becomes a variant of kang, because the whole TVA idea would completely suit tony because with his own tva he could prevent everyone he loved from suffering , which was his biggest fear

[@ramonsantiago1341]

Bro predicted the future💀💀🔥🔥🙏🏼🙏🏼🗣️🗣️

[@souravsk7617]

I think Tony is the most superior being in MCU,he created time travel and opened alternate realities to save his reality but kang used it for ruling all timelines by killing him.

[@attitudeworld1182]

You just made my mind go bang 😂

[@kindnessark8064]

There is always a possibility that when Tony went back to 2012 or 1970’s he might have switched with a future of himself or he could of snuck out to another time without knowing. Although without the pin particulars not how this would have been done. But admittedly it be very cool with he came back from a secrete time travelling trip.

[@bish09]

Don't worry son, the writers didn't think it through. If they would have, they should have just started with getting more pym particles from the start to stop the bullshit restriction on number of times they could time travel. Also not to mention they messed up Cap's time travel logic which even Loki's writer was frustrated about.

[@jorgefloresfelix3460]

@@bish09 Tony could have had his AI scan the Pym particles during the Time Heist to make his own at anytime

[@tylerhart4766]

RDJ has been talking about Sherlock Holmes 3, with Jonny Depp as the villain. Totally hoping for that before he goes back to the atrocity that is the current MCU.

[@keldorthebluemack]

I wonder will Depp be Jack the Ripper

[@tylerhart4766]

@@keldorthebluemack I doubt it, since that wasn't part of the books. The third story was hounds of Baskerville.

[@MlDN1GHT]

Maybe the 2012 tony stark. I mean they lost the tesseract and the prisoner. Tony aint just gonna stand up and keep on walking without figuring out why his arc reactor was acting weird and loki + the tesseract, missing.

[@funtimewildmutt]

That’s not how time travel works If you travel to the past, that past becomes your future, and your former present becomes the past, which can't now be changed by your new future.

[@Fazui]

I mean in homecoming avengers tower was sold maybe that's where it all started for kang

[@bish09]

They showed that in Loki season 1, Qeng enterprises. But it was a pruned timeline anyway.

[@SevenFourFiveTwoFiveEightFourF]

There's one more evidence that Kang said he killed an Avenger who's with the hammer, i.e. Thor, so basically Thor died out there somewhere, but here Thor is alive. So Tony here is dead, out there Tony is alive somewhere too.

[@saramoudchi3099]

I think that in kang dynasty, spider man or thor... will bring tony from the past (before he has a nano tech suit) and Kang will explain to Tony how to do a nano tech suit because Kang already have none tech suits.

[@saramoudchi3099]

So that will explain how Tony did his nano tech suits and maybe how he know thanos.

[@mrdeathranger9526]

I want to see them bring back tony as an AI similar to J.A.R.V.I.S and have tony's continence brought back with one of his old arc reactors

[@rikcleary1680]

Remember, Dr. Doom has a time platform...could be stolen Stark tech, and link all together....

[@omdmission_og]

Tony made the ultimate sacrifice to save the universe. They cannot take that away from the character. Having said that, I am positive they can write a way to bring him back without nullifying his sacrifice through the multiverse or time travel. 🤞

[@cryo6263]

That actually makes a lot of sense and it would be a smart way to bring him back and it would show how Tony knew he was gonna die

[@sona4803]

I still get my mind cool hearing thanos know who was Tony so basically marvel wants his return but not in front of public it will be a surprise

[@CaptainYgaming]

Random thing but You know how romanof died and they said they couldn't bring her back, well the thing is, gamore died and they brought her back, so since they now have time travel, they can just bring Tony and everyone back but because of this I think what should happen is the space time continuem collapses bring different versions if the Avenger to that universe, so now with everyone back they have to figure out how to send everyone back before the hole space time continuem collapses

[@KBBOUTDOORS]

Also kanga tech is old tony stark tech according to a lot of comics and shows

[@EffinSlayerized]

The reason why thanos knows who tony is is because hes been trying to kill the avengers & mess the world up since the 1st avengers movie. Hes responsible for allowing loki to get the septor & the army to control. And in the end of age of ultron you see him grab the gauntlet & say "fine, I'll do it myself". So he knew all about tony & the avengers from early on. Not because of time travel.

[@1nfinit3]

They never showed what happened after cap and stark got the tesseract. They just showed them come back with everyone else. What if Tony got knocked out of the quantum tunnel and went through stuff before he came back and just didn’t say anything? It would explain the line about time messing back

[@honchodamenace1179]

Yoooo After Watchjng Loki Season 2 That Tony Stark that Sacrificed himself was definitely from the Future 💯😳🤝🏻 and fought against Kang along side Loki

[@JiMMY-my1ds]

The line that Thanos used ‘you’re not the only one who is cursed with knowledge’ said to Tony, I thought might be a hint about him meeting Tony in another timeline and see different timelines play out.

[@brandankalaway619]

I honestly hope they do a spin off of a different universe timeline starting from the beginning that’s similar but they follow the comics and what the people wants not just what society deems

[@relaxvex]

i think they should make a movie named starks return and they go back in time and we see that his helmet isn’t on so maybe they tell him to put it on and save his life from ever dying

[@2xhadi179]

In the comics Kang went to the past as a kid to stop his older self kang then became iron lad to defeat his older version

[@2xhadi179]

He join the avengers with wicken speed hulkling Cassie leng Kate bishop the patriot and the rest

[@fordudesake]

They mention in Spider-Man homecoming that avengers tower was sold, but don’t say to who.

[@robertmcsmack379]

Tony Stark could be the A.I. interface for Ironheart's armor.

[@R35PECT77]

You gotta remember it’s not only up to the story of the film it’s also up too the actor himself if rdj is done with the roll then he doesn’t wanna do it anymore

[@ForburyLion]

In time, they could deep fake him into it (with his permission). I mean most of the time he's got his suit on anyway - could be anyone in there.

[@DevHawk]

It's possible. One massive Kang story in the comics is the one where he turns Tony evil, and Young Tony comes to the present. So some variation of that may happen. Happened right before onslaught.

[@bmla88]

Tony Stark will be in Armor Wars. Also a variant of stark will be in Secret wars , possibly with a variant of Thanos

[@vietnamesetree9084]

I think thanos remembers Tony because of the interaction between Tony and loki. Pretty sure thanos had Loki under mind control or something. Could be wrong but I remember someone telling me something like that. So probably explains that interaction.

[@tenebrousjones4897]

I think bringing Iron Man back for anything other than a flashback would cheapen the MCU more than a desk-drawer full of infinity stones. Then again, if RDJ wanted to be the new Stan Lee cameo, I could get on board with that.

[@malaching8143]

I keep saying, he could have uploaded his consciousness to an ai or something whilest onboard the gaurdians ship in endgame, they can find it, and he can control suits and also use BARF tech to look real

[@thenotoriousgryyn342]

👍

[@vacantsix1586]

I thought this only that his suit was what held that AI/brainwave to a remote location that would build a new suit/shell tfor the AI to use with the added edition of "protect sentient beings" to its code to prevent a second ultron

[@unrulynut3960]

that would be pretty amazing...i'd love to see that. make him live without resurrecting him but through other characters that have interacted with him in different timelines 🤯🤯🤯 that would be really cool and thought provoking. it would be also a good bridge to the comics too

[@robbieanderegg664]

Thanos also had the soul stone when he met stark in that scene,can see every living soul with the soul stone

[@wadepool8081]

It's going to be Awesome if RDJ returns as Tony Stark in either Kang Dynasty or secret wars

[@JonathanToole]

Oh, he is coming back. Marvel can't continue without him.

[@andrewzab83able]

Stark had been studying time travel and using what he learned from in building his final suit. RDJ explains that Tony learned the real world implications of time travel, which is why he was so defensive when Cap, Widow and Scott Lang visited him in Endgame.

[@brenanream639]

Now he's coming back as Doom

[@AntiWokeBloke]

Joe rogan said it best imagine if the avengers are all fucked then he comes out of nowhere I’d like a moment like that

[@christophertelesford7579]

Thano's technology far advanced enough to scan and assess Earth's knowledge and likely found Tony Stark to be the most brilliant mind of all humanity. Not to mention, Stark guided the nuke that ended Thanos's entire assault on Earth.

[@lordpetyrbaelish318]

Maybe as Dr Doom ya

[@MarioAlfaro-ft4zk]

One of my favorite theories is Ironman returning and turning to a program like Jarvis or friday and becoming something like ultron and since Robert Downey jr is old and tired of the role they could just pay him a small wage and use his voice in A.I

[@dregamingz]

The crazy thing is all Strange had to do was erase Thanos and his children's memories

[@Dingledingthink]

To be very honest the whole plot of Thanos in End Game and why Loki invaded New York could be Kang’s plan all along for him to break free and gather vassals and conquer the galaxy. Also the No Way Home multiverse portal breaking might be his doing so he could gather all of the potential villain for his variants soldier and build the army of Kang. Dr.Strange probably see all of this on Infinity War the reason he gave Thanos time stone and let Stark die in End Game was maybe because it was part of Kang plan that is inevitable. Kang also probably had encountered with Stark and Thanos himself the reason of Thanos remarks towards Tony by saying: (We are cursed by knowledge) while Kang himself is always the master of knowledge thousands years before Tony or Thanos could ever put a grasp on it.

[@Dingledingthink]

The part where Thanos said you are not the only one cursed by knowledge maybe because both of them had been used by Kang for his own agenda. Another reason why Tony couldn’t remember Thanos might be Kang erased his memory so Tony could invent that damn time machine for Kang’s own chaos interest.

[@mlggamer5296]

it's also worth noting without resurrecting him given the fact that iron heart is on its way they could very easily put him as an AI Consciousness just like in the comics. technically that's not resurrecting him either.

[@ImpressedGraphics]

Robert Downey Jr was perfect for that character. He played it so well, we don't want to let him go 😂 I don't think Marvel will be able to duplicate this phase, or reach its heights.

[@BuyoganExtendedStories]

Thinking the same way too

[@ExceptEsther.M]

We love tony stark❤

[@mlggamer5296]

you know if they so wanted to if they really wanted to have Jonathan Majors acting alongside RDJ because he has mentioned that he would want to at some point during Secret Wars while they're fighting I can Envision a scene where iron heart and the AI Tony could encounter Kang directly and maybe he hears his voice and Kang is like "is that Tony Stark?" I can only imagine he says "in the flesh.....well programming" and then he would be like "so you're the guy who discovered time travel in this universe?" the interaction between the AI Tony and Kang I say would be very interesting

[@sddrx6000]

cool theory but issue is multiple kangs only started existing only after he who remains was killed

[@djangofreeman9498]

He could, but we tend to forget that theses are actual real life, walking, talking, people that breath & bleed like we do, playing these characters! They could find a way to have Tony Stark in each & every movie going forward. But does Robert Downey Jr. want to? Regardless of what he may say to the press, he might actually be over playing that particular role. He's older now. I imagine he'd like to kick back & enjoy the fruits of his labor!

[@vedanttamboli]

I agree with you

[@randomvideos8051]

I actually need a movie just about Tony and his past you know i feel like we ALL need it

[@Steven_McCrae]

I miss Ironman i _really_ do but marvels not exactly making great or even good movies anymore it I’m more afraid of them ruining such an emotional end to the greatest character to ever grace the MCU *Long Live IronMan In Our Hearts* ❤

[@AwesomeMiner40]

❤❤❤ Great Theory. If this happened, it would be INCREDIBLE! :)

[@terrycook2733]

Captain didnt finish the mission and was supposed to come back with the others. This is what tony warned him.

[@Dingledingthink]

You know that multiverse happened for a reason, Kang’s variant could be anyone he can be anywhere with any form anytime, Infinity gauntlet won’t work to him due to he is outside of timeline itself while infinity gauntlet was magical meanwhile Kang’s power is always technological advancements.😉

[@dauntlessnicholas1672]

Multiverse is the worst, laziest excuse and cash grab to any writer would ever think of. Forget about what Tony Stark’s been through, who he is, why he’s important. The multiverse means everything is possible and nothing means anything because continuity is a luxury and logic is a crime.

[@aaravmurugan8440]

he returned, but as a villain, Victor Von Doom

[@tryagain3975]

The kang enterprises makes since since tony did sell avengers tower in spider man homecoming.

[@Meiaiscool]

So we'll basically see him in flashbacks? Yeah I figured as much.

[@spencerdeliz5291]

An interesting thing is in the Loki mini-series Mobius tells Loki what the Avengers did(In Endgame)had to happen. So, I feel like Endgame never happened the TVA never would have been created and Kang never would have got powers.

[@Dem_433]

We could also make him ai like in the comics so he can come back one final time

[@Dingledingthink]

RDJ can always make a cameo in the future movies because: 1. He is now A.I. that can also be summoned anytime. 2. He can always make comeback one more time by Kang’s presence and Kang himself could just rewind time to the End Game timeline and snatches him alongside with Thanos for his own plot interests. Maybe just maybe Tony could get his own deserved happy ending in his own universe by this action and not by getting him killed by suck ass gauntlet.

[@peytonkellar4621]

Wow this would all be a badass way but #2 would be freakin insane lol

[@Vipbossguy]

Dude I just want more iron man shenanigans maybe based before infinity war

[@muntahmahfuzsrestho.]

Yeah... But as Dr. Doom! 💀

[@DirectionerForever2710]

I really really want him to be back

[@l20is20l]

I only really wanna see the RDJ ironman from the timeline that everyone else died like his vision from wanda in ultron movie

[@15Kilo]

After time seem to fight line Tony says you’ll see. Maybe that is something as well

[@mitchkatz4918]

i wonderred about a comment thanos made when talking with iron man.

[@azorstratus3991]

Captain America, took 4 Pim particles. When he and Tony went back in time to get the Tesseract. Cap & Iron Man went way in the future. Cap came back, Tony didn’t the Tony that came back & died was a clone.

[@wipemedown8806]

RDJ contract was done if they had plans to include him in more movies down the line why would they let his contract run out???

[@ogbrmusic]

you guys are missing something else too, the fact that the doctor from Doctor Who is now part of Disney going forward and it's the first time we might actually see some sort of a crossover! yeah I know the odds are pretty slim but hey stranger things have happened.

[@bassfishepic]

I think RDJ said in an interview that he wasn’t coming back as iron man so this is unlikely

[@mevsol2447]

So basically just make a movie with a younger Tony Stark before he died, like Black Widow. Creative.

[@Unknown.10202]

Yeah tony actually selled the avenfers tower as we can see in spider man where happy tells him about it so yeah it might happen

[@YoungestOmar]

Yes. He can comeback just like Black Widow movie. Something happened before the infinity war.

[@Canigetanawwwwyyyyeeeah]

Thanos knows tony from the soul stone? Hence the line…Your not the only one cursed with knowledge’ that’s a schoolboy error.