80/20 Bronze or Phosphor Bronze? - Which strings are BEST for YOUR acoustic?

[@PeteA54]

This is the best description of the differences between acoustic guitar string composition I've seen. I agree with your observations 100%, especially when matching string type to specific guitar brands. I play a Yamaha AC3M that has a warmer tone, similar to Martins and Gibsons. I bought PB's once because I couldn't find Elixer 80/20's and had to remove them asap because my guitar just sounded blah (that's the only word that came to mind) :).

[@RobertCassard]

Thanks for weighing in, PeteA54. I hope you find lots of other valuable info on my channel! You can find ALL my videos at guitardiscoveries.com

[@terencelee21]

Well I have to thank you for your knowledge, Robert. I have a 2018 Martin D28 I have had for four years and just never loved the sound for my playing style (too boomy). I even resorted to sticking a small hand towel inside to try to tame the boom, but it killed the sound too much so I just put it up for sale on craigslist a week ago. But after watching your video I ran down to a local guitar shop and bought d'addario custom lights 80/20 and just absolutely love the sound--it took away the thick boom and gave a sweet tone I can sing with and is much easier to play. I have always used phosphor bronze lights or mediums and never thought to change. Awesome advice. I removed my for sale listing on craigslist and am keeping the guitar. Thank you.

[@RobertCassard]

Thank YOU, Terence. You just gave the perfect explanation of why I started this channel in the first place! SO HAPPY your D-28 now has the sweet 80/20 tone you want. And now there's room for your vocals, too. Have fun with her! FYI - I have a bunch of videos related to acoustic guitars and odd but important topics like pick gauge, capos, etc. My guitardiscoveries.com website has my videos divided by category. I hope you check it out and find it valuable.

[@mark.gallaher3193]

That's exactly what got me to using 80/20s on (most of) my rosewood guitars. I describe the sound of PB strings on rosewood guitars as being "muddy". I've been using Elixr 80/20 'Nanos' on most of my rosewood guitars for nearly 20 years, and although I'm still happy with how they sound, I'm going to try Martin's Retro Monels for the next string change on my Brazilian RW Tacoma EBZ14.

[@JESSEPAVON]

@@terencelee21 thank you for your post, i will do as you and run to my local store and buy them d’addarios custom lights for my 1970s hd 28. Thanks

[@Gman44044]

absolutely BRILLIANT! Thank you so much. I'd been hearing PB are warmer, but you explain exactly why. Also liked that you point out which guitar brands sound better with which of the two.

[@RobertCassard]

Glad it was helpful, Gman. I'm happy you found my channel and I hope you find lots more valuable info! 🌟🎼

[@lordlucan529]

Really helpful - I’ve been working on a song that needed less boomy mids, and a quick change to 80/20 has got me the exact sound I was looking for. Thanks.

[@RobertCassard]

I’m happy this helped, Andy. Surprising what a difference it makes on certain guitars!

[@michaelbooz]

Getting ready to finally buy my first set of Elixers (after all these years) and did not realize there was more than one kind. This video was very helpful in explaining the difference between the two! Thank you sir!

[@RobertCassard]

Glad I could help, Michael!

[@LegsON]

I loved 80/20 in the past for brightness, but then I realized PB have much more overtones and have more tension, and as a solo performer I want as much sound from an acoustic as I can get.

[@RobertCassard]

Nice. Put one in the Phosphor column!

[@rblaclewell]

Interesting I play a cedar top Takamine mahogany back and sides. All solid. PB has always been my choice but can get a bit muddy. I wonder if the 80/20 would kinda give some clarity while maintaining the warmth of the cedar.

[@Wolfplayco]

Amigo fosforo bronce tiene menos tension ,tal vez ee confundiste de sensación pero las 80/20 son mas tensas

[@LegsON]

@@Wolfplayco Presto presto, por favor!

[@anneberkeley7411]

Thanks! I've been using Martin phosphor bronze on my Martin 00-18 for a long time because its sides and back are mahogany and the PB sharpens the tone. But I liked your explanation of the relationship between strings and vocals so I'm going to give the coated 80/20 Bronze a try. Thanks!

[@RobertCassard]

Sounds great, Anne. Please come back and tell me how it affects your sound.

[@christianwagner9790]

These days I only play on single or double 0 guitars, not lacking in midrange. When I put a medium gauge set of 80/20s on the single 0, I couldn't stop smiling...big, deep loud fat sounds coming from such a small thing. It makes sense that on the dreads, phosphor bronze would fill in the natural scoop of mids. Great video!

[@RobertCassard]

I love to think of that couldn’t-stop-smiling moment, Christian.

[@RobStill]

Great video explanation! I use them all cause I play a lot of guitars, but now I have a much better understanding. Thanks for sharing your expertise and experiences! Best to you, Rob

[@RobertCassard]

From one Rob to another, you're welcome!

[@reginaldjayne8006]

I found this enormously helpful - thank you!

[@RobertCassard]

You're welcome! Glad to hear it was helpful, Reginald. I also made this video where you can HEAR the difference between 80/20 and PB: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHSriaGLjstpiMk

[@carlbussmann7559]

I am very complementary on the video; I find it amazing that very few of the "comparison videos" give you the information which you are looking for. This one does; I play D'Addario phosphor-bronze on a Martin Deluxe D-28 Modern Deluxe and I enjoy them.

[@RobertCassard]

Thank you, Carl. I'm always happy when one of my videos is helpful to viewers like you. As a follow-up to this one, I made a more recent video in which I do a sound comparison of 80/20s and Phosphor Bronze: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHSriaGLjstpiMk

[@theotherside001]

I used to use Martin's 12's PB on my Bird, but martin did something to the strings when they started with the new packaging a few years back.

[@RobertCassard]

I used Martin strings back in the day, but got tired of how fast they tarnished and went dead. Not sure about their newer formulas.

[@craigpierce7996]

I play Martin MA140T treated 80/20 bronze on my Martin guitar. I agree with your assessment completely, they do leave room in the vocal range for singing. I find that they are too bright when first put on. After about an hour or two of playing, the bright will dim down and the low/high balance of the strings gets real good.

[@RobertCassard]

That’s been my experience too, Craig. Uncoated 80/20s are overly bright for an hour or two. And then, for me, they’re perfect for 2-3 hours, then start dulling. That’s why I like coated 80/20s… They’re never quite as bright as uncoated strings, and they stay “bright enough” for many hours of playing.

[@craigpierce7996]

@@RobertCassard The MA140"T" is a coated winding. They are still, plenty bright out of the bag. The phosphorous strings go dull in 2-3 days with me playing. Maybe I'm caustic to them. The T strings (140, 150, 540 are all pretty close) lasts 30-40 days with daily playing and clean strings every 3rd day. I use Ernie Ball cleaner, I like the smell!

[@RobertCassard]

@@craigpierce7996 Thanks for those details, Craig.

[@rudymikula7129]

Great comparison. I started using phosphor bronze about a decade ago. They never really sounded as good as I hoped. I have a better understanding why now. I'm going to order a pair tomorrow. Thanks.

[@RobertCassard]

I assume you mean you'll order some 80/20 strings Rudy. Come back and tell me if you prefer the sound.

[@Ausf.D.A.K.]

I used to use uncoated Phosphor Bronze, but now I'm using D'Addario XS coated 80/20 Bronze because it compensates for the added coating. Amazing strings!

[@RobertCassard]

I have some, but haven’t put ‘em on yet. Glad you like ‘em so much!

[@johnfrewin7717]

So interesting - I’ve always been drawn towards phosphor bronze, and I see that makes sense , especially as now I’m wanting to step up in the mix with my twiddly bits between vocal sections , whereas the singer strums a more scoopy sound throughout, I will suggest 80-20’s to him👍🎸🇬🇧

[@RobertCassard]

That sounds like a good “tonal plan,” John. Please come back and tell me how it sounds!

[@RobbCairnsMusic]

Great, clear presentation- Thanks. What about Nickel Wound by D'Addariao (EXL110) ? Regular Light Guage strings?

[@RobertCassard]

Haven't tried Nickel Wound on any acoustic guitars. Have you? As for your question about gauge, in general, I do use regular light gauge on my fullp-size acoustics. I have a Martin LX1e travel guitar with medium gauge, which helps enhance the bottom end.

[@davidmolloy126]

Thank you so much for a really great comprehensive explanation. Take care, David.

[@RobertCassard]

Glad it was helpful, David. Of course, adjectives to describe tone are always subjective. For example, I find it interesting that some people describe the less scooped sound of PB strings as "warm." To me, the added midrange frequencies sound "jangly" or "full" or sometimes even "crowded," but that doesn't equate to "warm" for me. (Just my opinion, though.) If I pick up any acoustic guitar and have to PUSH to sing over it, It's likely strung with phosphors. My "new" Martin HD-40MK (2001) came with PB strings - it sounds incredible played solo. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXmveGOheMuKfs0 But it's a challenge for me to sing with, so its next set of strings will be 80/20s.

[@nabeelchohan3800]

Wonderfully explained 😉

[@RobertCassard]

Thank you, Nabeel. 🙂 Here's a newer video where you can HEAR examples of how they two different kinds of strings sound. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHSriaGLjstpiMk

[@egoncorneliscallery9535]

I found out i do not like coated strings. I prefer PBs on most guitars. It gives the option of getting more high mids IF required so i simply use dynamics to cater the song if im singing. I am experimenting with Monel strings and they are really guitar dependant compared to the standard. They lean more to 80/20 w an upper 'zing'.

[@RobertCassard]

Thanks for sharing that. It's cool that you can control the EQ of the high mids with dynamics. I keep hearing about Monel strings. For me, they would need to be coated. I recently bought a new guitar that came with uncoated PBs, and they tarnished and started sounding dull within a few hours. So it's right back to my coated 80/20s... 😅

[@Doowopsid]

Love this conversation. I put Martin Monel Retros on my Martin and to me they sound great on all levels. A bit brighter than PBs but I love the sound (sort of an in between PBs and 80/20s) and playability (if that’s a word).

[@RobertCassard]

How long are the Monel strings lasting? @@Doowopsid Someone said they're corrosion-resistant. Does that seem true to you?

[@Doowopsid]

@@RobertCassard hello, well I’ve had them on for a few weeks now and they sound even better than when I first put them on which is typical I think of all strings since they some time to break in. I’m still liking them and no signs of corrosion. I play about an hour every day.

[@almord9357]

Well done, thanks! I go phosphor bronze with my Martin HD-28. I accompany Irish Trad music mostly, and the rich lows and mids go well with it. One other thing to note: the way the guitar sounds to your ear while playing the instrument is not necessarily the same as what the audience hears.The audience is not situated above and close to the sound source, like the player is. Once in awhile I survey the people I'm playing with about their opinions, and I'm occasionally surprised. For one thing, the volume of an acoustic guitar can get drowned out by the other instruments quickly. So in an ensemble or on stage unamplified, I play louder now than I used to, in order to be present in the mix.

[@RobertCassard]

If you're playing traditional instrumental music (Irish, bluegrass, etc.), Phosphor Bronze will definitely help you compete with other instruments and "cut through." I made a new video including tone tests comparing 80/20 and Phosphor with and without vocals. Check it out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHSriaGLjstpiMk

[@RByrne]

Great explanation! I like lower twnsion, as Im primarily an electric player. Inuse a Lowden S(small) body, and usually go for 11s or even 10s. I still find them feeling stiff, no matter the brand.. I just got some 12s, just to see if it does anything for tone, and ill try lubricating the nut and see if it helps.

[@RobertCassard]

When you play a small-bodied acoustic like your Lowden, the short scale should make it quite a bit easier to fret. You should be fine with 12s, and they should sound significantly warmer and "rounder" than 10s or 11s. (My Martin LX1e came with 13s and it sounds really good!) I did a new 80/20 vs. Phosphor video, including tone tests with and without vocals. Check it out here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHSriaGLjstpiMk

[@kyzor-sosay6087]

Excellent video,thanks for your time and research.

[@RobertCassard]

My pleasure, thanks for watching. I recently did a tone comparison so you can actually hear what I explained: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHSriaGLjstpiMk

[@diegobejarano261]

Thank You man wow You please tell Something about tension ? I think that 80/ 20 are noticeably harder to play... thanks again👍

[@RobertCassard]

You're welcome, Diego. I've never MEASURED the tension of 80/20 vs. Phosphor strings, and I've read conflicting information about which metal composition has higher tension. Some say PB is denser and therefore has higher tension. Others say 80/20 has higher tension. I generally play Light gauge (.12-.53) and I don't feel any difference in tension between 80/20 and Phosphor Bronze strings made by the same brand, either Elixir or D'Addario. If you want to HEAR the differences, I made this new video with sound samples: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHSriaGLjstpiMk

[@shred5]

A lot of people like 80/20 on mahogany guitars, so I had a '47 Gibson and put some 80/20s on it, seemed to be the right kind of guitar for brass strings as I hadn't used those in a while and thought I should give them another shot. I did like them fingerstyle playing and if that's all I ever did with the guitar, I'd have kept them on it too but learned that overall I like the definition of phosphor bronze strings the best..

[@RobertCassard]

Whatever works for you is the best! Thanks for watching and saying hello.

[@windmillcancersurvivor2568]

I learned my impulse buying a three pac of XS 80/20 was not a mistake for my D-18. Very happy with their XT PB that I've been using.

[@RobertCassard]

Great to hear. I have some waiting to be installed.

[@RicardoDeSantiagoMusic]

Just great explanation!!

[@RobertCassard]

Glad you liked it, Ricardo! 🌟

[@PJmusica]

That was very helpful. Thanks for the info.

[@RobertCassard]

You're welcome, PJ!

[@analogalien]

Great video. I've actually been using 80/20 on my archtop jazz guitar. They sound fantastic!

[@RobertCassard]

Great to hear! What’s the brand and model of your archtop?

[@analogalien]

@@RobertCassard Eastman AR580CE. I use elixir 80/20 12 gauge. I may try the Phosphor Bronze when these get worn out. I use them on my acoustics.

[@RobertCassard]

@@analogalien beautiful guitar! Do you usually play unplugged? Interesting that you’ve been using 80/20s on an electric ⚡️ I have a maple-bodied archtop from The Heritage called an H-575. I use Elixir electric strings on it and love ‘em. Plus they last a LONG time…

[@analogalien]

@@RobertCassard The guitar has a pickup in it. It is modeled after a Charlie Christian pickup. I had it custom made. I've always found that whenever I used flats with a humbucker it killed the personality of the guitar.

[@apinantpongsupaht872]

Well explained, easy to understand. Much appreciated.😊

[@RobertCassard]

Glad it was helpful. Here’s follow-up with audio samples to hear the difference: 80/20 Bronze or Phosphor Bronze? - Myth vs. Reality - HEAR the difference now kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHSriaGLjstpiMk

[@apinantpongsupaht872]

I am not a guitarist either, just a singer who plays guitar in the street. I didn't know the difference until now. Have put phosphor bronze strings on my guitars for as long as I can remember, just because of the fancy name! Now I can go out and buy 80/20 instead.Thank you so much for the education.

[@RobertCassard]

@apinantpongsupaht872 my pleasure!

[@gorkemgokturkk]

Excellent video, thanks for the help. Objective comments, so can be trusted.

[@RobertCassard]

Glad it was helpful. I’m not here to sell anything, I just know it’s easier for me to sing and hear myself with 80/20s!

[@tiduschapman1774]

Excellent video Robert. I just gotta a Taylor 114e for Christmas and it came with with the Elixir Nanoweb Phosphor bronze. I didn’t like the tinny sound so I put the Polywebs on - my favorite and that did the trick. Fell in love with my guitar even more.

[@RobertCassard]

That’s great to hear, Tidus. String choice really matters, eh?

[@tiduschapman1774]

@@RobertCassard most important pic for a guitarist for their taste of tone :)

[@voodoovideoclub]

@@tiduschapman1774 Most guitarists have no idea how important their choice of strings is to their sound...

[@tiduschapman1774]

@@voodoovideoclub Sure, but some do.

[@bleufishtv]

Phosphorus bronze die really quickly for me like a use or two and they get corroded. Like my hands sweat so badly

[@RobertCassard]

Uncoated phosphor bronze is supposed to be LESS subject to corrosion than 80/20 bronze. But if your hands sweat a lot, I recommend that you do what I did about 20 years ago, and switch to coated strings. The best ones for people like us have the entire string fully coated. My favorite brands are: D'Addario XS > amzn.to/4gigKO5 Elixir > amzn.to/49YUbvz Good luck!

[@bleufishtv]

@ I really like the xs , they don’t feel like a traditional coated string and are really bright

[@RobertCassard]

@@bleufishtv I do too! I've been trying them on various acoustics (in place of the Elixirs I usually use), and I'm loving the sound, playability and durability on all of them

[@atomic432]

I have a Yamaha Dreadnaught and currently use Veritas DR 10-48 extra light. Corrosion p roof.

[@RobertCassard]

Cool...I need to look into the DR Veritas line. Sounds very interesting!

[@T-roy33]

I play Martin phosphor bronze “SP”… medium gauge for many years and now lights. I like them because they stay in tune and “last” longer than any string I’ve tried. Thanks for the informative video

[@RobertCassard]

Thanks for that info, T. If I do another in-depth string comparison, I'll have to add Martin SPs to the competition.

[@T-roy33]

@@RobertCassard Great, thanks again

[@JohnnyRebKy]

ELIXER will last 10x as long as Martin SP. If haven't tried them then give the nanoweb Elixers a try

[@bradleybunk6463]

I use 80/20 bronze (brass) strings e, a, d, and g. To me phosphor bronze is tiring to my ears due to the collision of multiple strong and clashing (frequency-wise) overtones.

[@RobertCassard]

It seems like you’re even more sensitive to the overtones than I am, but you get what I’m saying. I made a newer video where I did a tone test: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHSriaGLjstpiMksi=fwwLpkySdf1ePG2W

[@nickshires3200]

Thanks, very helpful video. I'm using phosphor bronze as I play a Takamine GN71CE & a LAG guitar

[@RobertCassard]

Glad it helped, Nick! I just released a new video with an actual direct tone comparison: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHSriaGLjstpiMk

[@sonoma_s]

I have a Taylor KOA and had been using 80/20s to brighten sound up a bit. I recently put the Martin Retros (Monel) on it and amazing how the sound has improved to my ears. I don't like the look of the strings but they do sound and play great. I may experiment and put them on my Martin HD28 and see if I like vs. the PBs I current use.

[@RobertCassard]

You’re the second person who’s mentioned Monels. I’ve never tried them. Can you try to explain their tone relative to 80/20 and PB? I clearly need to give them a try…but I want to choose the “test guitar” wisely!

[@K.B.]

@@RobertCassardThanks for your explanation. I would suggest not to bother trying Martin Monel Retros on a standard spruce/redwood guitar. They made my $300 Takamine maple back come alive, however. They also helped out my Rainsong carbon fiber sound more like a wood guitar, - also added titanium pegs to the Rainsong to change vibrating mass as well as a proper radius compensated bone nut. Why Rainsongs come from the factory with an incorrect radius nut I will never know. I tried Elixers when they first came out in the late 90's as everybody raved about them. Did not like the dead, muddy, muffled, rubbery, dull, lifeless sound at all. Tried to like them for a week, never tried coated strings again. Not for me YMMV.. Maybe the modern updated coatings sound better but I will never know, you just don't go back to vinegar when there is so much honey available.

[@RobertCassard]

@@K.B. thanks. I have an all-maple Heritage H-575 hollowbody archtop. Maybe I’ll try Monels on that…

[@mikesmith1290]

Great info! My Takamini always records on the thin side. I haven’t tried phosphor bronze yet, but I’ll give it a go!

[@RobertCassard]

Come back and tell me about the difference it makes. You might want to make a before/after recording so you can make a direct audio comparison.

[@royalkobra5976]

This was a great video, really helped me a lot zo find out wich stings I"m gonna choose

[@RobertCassard]

Glad it was helpful, Royal Kobra!

[@davidhirst1661]

The answer is both. I play d'addario 80/20s and phosphor bronze. I have an Alvarez masterworks dreadnought and I alternate them for variety. I don't like coated strings because they break a lot easier (especially the G), and sound borng to me. D'Addarios last for ages if you clean them properly.

[@RobertCassard]

Interesting that you alternate for variety, David. Your comment about not liking coated strings because “they break a lot easier” doesn’t make sense to me because I’ve had the opposite experience. I’m pretty sure D’Addario uses the same string wire for their uncoated strings as for their XT (winding-coated) and XS (whole-string-coated) strings. Basic logic (and personal experience) tell me that adding a protective coating proven to make strings last longer doesn’t make those strings weaker. I played uncoated strings for about 30 years. As soon as I switched to coated strings, I had WAY fewer broken strings. Nonetheless, I’m happy you found what works best for you. Here’s to years of happy playing!

[@martymcsauce8569]

excellent explanation for vocals

[@RobertCassard]

Glad it was helpful, Mr. McSauce.

[@smandez2023]

Yes! This pretty much nails it, but even better than package or manufacturer descriptions. One thing I've noticed as a fingerstyle player who does not sing (not yet anyway), is that I like both. The phosphor bronze are darker and sound great, but also have "sizzle" for lack of a better word. To my ears the sizzle isn't always desirable. I have a set of John Pearse 80/20s on my Taylor right now, and they still sound good even after 2 months. So, I guess i don't have corrosive skin chemistry. I don't have long nails like some fingerstyle guys, preferring very short nails actually. For this reason, I like the clarity and projection of 80/20s better than phosphor bronze, especially in the lower-mids and bass. I'm not alone, just learned today that the great Peppino D'agostino prefers 80/20s too. Great vid Robert!

[@RobertCassard]

Thanks so much for the confirmation. My ear doesn't perceive PBs as darker, but I do hear the sizzle. That sizzle is what can conflict with vocals. It's like there's more harmonic information generally. Funny you should mention Peppino. I recently heard him play "up close and personal" in the living room at a close friend's birthday party. Such a fine musician!

[@smandez2023]

@@RobertCassard thanks for the response. I’ve not heard Peppino live but would love to. He is so unique!

[@RobertCassard]

@@smandez2023 Peppino lives in Berkeley, CA, and does intimate concerts in the Bay Area. -

[@smandez2023]

@@RobertCassard yeah, I’m in the Denver area. He doesn’t have CO dates booked now but I’ll keep an eye out. He has been one of my favorites for many years. Highly technical without “sounding” highly technical for lack of a better description. So much texture in his stuff.

[@RobertCassard]

@@smandez2023 A while back, Peppino made Guitar Player magazine's list of the Top 50 Players of All Time.

[@dennispurdy3533]

I have never heard that description of difference between 80/20 and PB. Eye opener. I used to prefer 80/20s on my Martin but have since became very happy with Monel strings. or Martin Retros. I have never liked PB strings. Somehow reminds me of the spring on a screen door.

[@RobertCassard]

Hey Dennis. I've never head anyone explain the differences like I do either, but I've been a singing guitarist long enough that I was actively playing and singing when PB strings were introduced in the 70s. I've sung (thousands of times, both live and in the studio) with both kinds of strings, so I've become very confident in my opinions. Yet somehow, in 50 years of playing, I've never tried monel strings like the Martin Retros. I hear they have natural corrosion resistance and generally are quieter than the brighter alloys. And I'll bet they DON't sound like the springs on a screen door! LOL

[@nikitashipkov5577]

Good job ineed! Thank's a lot!

[@RobertCassard]

Glad you liked it, Nikita. I'd never heard it explained this way. It took me years to understand the actual somic differences between, 80/20 and Phosphor Bronze.

[@charliejaffe8712]

Robert, I’ve been saying the very same thing since I bought my D-28 in ‘74. Thanks for the confirmation 👍🏼

[@RobertCassard]

Right on, Charlie! I'm releasing a video tomorrow (8/16/24) including A/B sound tests of Phosphor vs. 80/20 when strummed and fingerpicked. The differences can be subtle, but noticeable for me as a singer.

[@charliejaffe8712]

@@RobertCassard Agreed. Phosphor bronze strings to my ear have an upper mid-range bump that takes up much the same space as many singers’ voices. It’s a competition for the same general group of frequencies. I started playing in ‘70. Iirc that was from around then until maybe 72-73ish when many manufacturers started giving up on more nickel based alloys; and pretty much the only thing available that I found in stores was the 80/20s. When PBs came out people jumped on them! They were louder - at least perceptibly louder - perhaps due to that mid range bump? - and like you said lasted a bit longer than 80/20s. As a general rule I prefer the sound of broken in 80/20s over PBs. Like you said, it’s the more authentic sound. Speaking of authentic tone, I’m guessing you have some experience with Martin Monels? Apologies if you’ve discussed it before… I mention the brand because I’m unaware of any others… but (years ago, now) when I put them on my old D-28 it was like it woke up from a coma. I was blown away, and literally said, “hello old friend!” Looking forward to your next video. I just recently found your channel, btw.

[@charliejaffe8712]

@@RobertCassard I should also add that the choice of strings your guitar wears is likely to change over time due to the tone your brain wants to hear, the different guitars - size, woods,construction, etc. fwiw, one day I became enthralled with Phospher Bronze strings. It was preamplification for me. I played in small to mid size rooms as a teacher / song leader, and the PBs helped my guitar stand out. The added volume was a huge factor. The infatuation lasted for over a decade. Then I tired of the sound and went back to 80/20s in general, occasionally mixing it up with Monels, and now less so PBs.

[@RobertCassard]

@@charliejaffe8712 Thanks, Charlie. I haven't tried Monels because I haven't seen a coated version. I have quite a few guitars, soI always use coated strings. That way, if a guitar sits in a case for a few months, it always comes out "fresh" and ready to play.

[@RobertCassard]

@@charliejaffe8712 I agree that tone preferences can come and go, and they often depend on the particular type of music you're playing, and with what combination of other instruments and vocals. For instrumentals, I like the sound of PBs. But whenever I sing with them, their midrange frequencies fight me and I have to push harder and sing louder.

[@BobK5]

I use Ernie Ball Earthwood 80/20’s they last a long long time for me, sound great and have slightly less tension than PB’s which to me equates to easier playing and better string vibration.

[@RobertCassard]

Right on, Bob. Thanks for the recommendation.

[@flattopthunder5516]

I have been using GHS 85/15’s on my Martin D-18, and I like these above all others. I get good tone out of them, but I don’t have rapid corrosion issues, either. Generally, I can leave a set on for a month. If I were gigging daily, (which I’m not at present) I would change them out once a week.

[@RobertCassard]

Thanks, Thunder! 85/15s are what GHS calls "Vintage Bronze" right? Those are probably a great match for your D-18. FYI - I started using coated strings when I was gigging often. I was able to go 2-3X longer before needing a change. Saved me time and money, and minimized finger friction as the strings got older. Because of that, I won't go back to uncoated. Coated strings also help me with guitars that sit in their cases for a long time. When I pull them out after months of inactivity, I never get a nasty corrosion surprise! I just released a video with actual tone tests comparing phosphor bronze and 80/20. Check it out here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHSriaGLjstpiMk

[@flattopthunder5516]

@@RobertCassard Yes, Vintage Bronze. I used elixirs for a long time, but started experimenting and found some strings I like better. GHS has really got my attention now, but I also use Martin lifespan 2.0’s sometimes. They are coated.

[@RobertCassard]

@@flattopthunder5516 Your guitar, your ears, your fingers, your body chemistry. Glad you found the strings you love!

[@marksmusicCC]

Always preferred 80/20 ( brass) strings myself . I mainly use Elixr 80/20 , I live right on the beach and un coated strings just corrode to fast

[@RobertCassard]

Right on, Mark. I've been an Elixir user for many years now. Just recently. I've been trying the D'Addario XS coated strings. They sound more like uncoated strings, but weirdly, I still prefer Elixirs. New 80/20 vs. PB tone comparison: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHSriaGLjstpiMk

[@maxdaddelt131]

Perfectly explained! 🙂 Helped me a lot! Thank you very much!

[@RobertCassard]

Glad to hear that, Max! I just recorded a new video with a before and after comparison where I switch from Phosphor to 80/20 on a prized Martin dreadnought. I hope to edit and release it soon.

[@maxdaddelt131]

@@RobertCassard Sounds very interesting! Looking forward to see it 😎👍

[@falkirkshelby2313]

Thank you kind Sir! First time replacing my J-45 and I didn't know which one to get

[@RobertCassard]

Glad I could help! As always - no right or wrong choice, just which one your ears like best!

[@thrashtronaut999]

@@falkirkshelby2313 J-45 is sick

[@lindamorgan2678]

Well I sure learned ALOT thanks so much .. I also now know why I do not like the sound of Taylor or Takamine that much the brightness of their high strings is irritating and now I know why. Phosphorus Bronze I will be using on my one guitar that is too bright on the 2 high strings. Thanks again P.S. I have asked and asked around what strings should I use to get rid of the brightness and even the Guitar Shop could not really help me AND searched all over on the internet also.

[@RobertCassard]

Glad this helped, Linda. Using coated strings also helps mellow the brightness. Tell me how your guitar sounds after you make the switch…

[@lindamorgan2678]

@@RobertCassard Hi Robert thanks so much for your reply I did not get notification and just came back to watch your video again. YES ! I love the sound Thanks again

[@RobertCassard]

So glad to 👂 hear that!

[@johnbrenchak5234]

I have played with both types, I mostly record songs mostly with vocals and sometimes without, I like them both, but usually stick with the daddario brand, I seem to be unswitchable from the daddario brand.

[@RobertCassard]

D’Addario is a fine brand for sure, John. They’re the innovators of most of the string technologies we rely upon!

[@corn1078]

I have one of those Greg Bennett guitars with a red cedar top, rosewood back and sides and a mohogany neck so it’s a dark and mellow sounding. So should I be using 80/20 strings?

[@RobertCassard]

Hi, Corn. There's really no "should" with strings, but it's certainly worth a try. 80/20s are likely to brighten the high-end and extend the low-end, if that's what you want to achieve. Have fun!

[@markharwood7573]

I would not disagree with a single word of this. Of course there are other formulations; I used to use the D'Addario 85/15 strings, which are a sort of compromise, and I have found that their nickel bronze strings sound fine and last really well. Trying different strings is part of the hobby.

[@RobertCassard]

Thanks, Mark. I have yet to try any 85/15s...

[@robstimson4234]

Been putting D'Addario PBs on my 3-5 acoustics for years. Like 'em. l'm not so great on small print but if this info was on string packs, l'd read it. Thanks!

[@RobertCassard]

Thanks, Rob. Hey, I just released a video with tone samples so you can hear the subtle differences between PBs and 80/20s: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHSriaGLjstpiMk Coincidentally, both sets of strings are D'Addario...but they're XS, their newer coated strings. They last very well and DO NOT sound coated. Here's a link to the 80/20s: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHSriaGLjstpiMk And here are the PBs: amzn.to/46VI00T

[@Wolfplayco]

Hola ,quisiera saber si la diferencia de materiales tambien se aplica en las dos primeras cuerdas o solo en las 4 ultimas ?

[@RobertCassard]

La diferencia en la composición del metal se aplica a las 6 cuerdas.

[@jwcraddock]

Well now I know why I play 80/20

[@RobertCassard]

Play on, Jerry!

[@ramspencer5492]

It's totally guitar related!

[@dagoldigol]

@@RobertCassard May I know the string's gauge sir you used and desired guitar tuning?I'm planning to get that 80/20 soon👍👍👍

[@RobertCassard]

@@dagoldigol On this '64 Gibson J-50, I use Elixir Light Gauge (.12-.53) with Nanoweb coating. amzn.to/3LTWapv As for tuning, I usually play in standard (EADGBE), but also love to play in open tunings like D, G, E, etc., and experiment with unusual alternate tunings as well. The nice thing about light gauge strings is that I can tune UP to Open E (E B E G# B E) for example, and not worry that I've put too much stress on the neck.

[@dagoldigol]

​@@RobertCassardthanks sir👍👍👍

[@oldmancrowe905]

THanks for the info, I have a Taylor Big Baby, which is a surprisingly good sounding guitar, but I don't like the Taylor brite vibe with all of their guitars, so for years I used nickel bronze, which gave me more depth. I recently put on a set of uncoated 80/20 D'addario's and they're okay but too brite for my ears. Now I information - thanks to the video - of why I should stick to 80/20's instead of Phos - bronze. but will probably go back to the D'Addario nickel bronze once the 80/20's wear out.

[@RobertCassard]

I was visiting some friends not long ago, and one of their random guitars was a Taylor Big Baby. I thought it sounded better than most other Taylors I've played! Here's the video about it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r17Xq2OYls6Dg7M You might also enjoy my new tone test video where I do a direct comparison of 80/20 and PB, with and without vocals: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHSriaGLjstpiMk

[@calculadwest9869]

Thanks. Very informative. Peace to you

[@RobertCassard]

My pleasure. I recently did a follow up video including a "tone test," where I play and sing using the two different types of strings. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHSriaGLjstpiMk

[@calculadwest9869]

@@RobertCassard Thanks. I watched that too. Equally useful.

[@RobertCassard]

@@calculadwest9869 awesome!

[@dbronx347]

Thank you. Its been very helpful

[@RobertCassard]

Always happy to hear 👂 when one of these videos make a difference!

[@christinachristina8271]

Tried to get it but too much my brain I have Tanglewood acoustic folk I sing What do i get please.

[@RobertCassard]

LOL Christina. I understand that I'm in the weeds on this! Here's my suggestion for you: amzn.to/4cUK23J (Elixir Acoustic 80/20 Bronze with NANOWEB Coating - Light Gauge Guitar Strings (.012-.053)) I'm a singer too, and I use these on a variety of my acoustics. They always sound rich but stay out of the way of my voice,

[@christinachristina8271]

@@RobertCassard oh thanks Robert Too late. Got D’addario. Phosph bronze 12 gauge. Exact opposite Singing lessons next week. Guitar fixed up. Its all ok 🎵

[@RobertCassard]

@@christinachristina8271 I hope they work well for you!

[@ramspencer5492]

I'm thinking about trying D'Addario XS on my mahogany back and sides dreadnought next....

[@RobertCassard]

I'm in line to try those myself, Ram. Come back and tell me how you like 'em...

[@itomburgess]

Interesting perspective, and uniquely practical/pragmatic. Years ago I bought a set of Elixer Nanoweb 80/20 Lights by mistake. Been playing Phosphor Bronze for decades and have always liked the "complex nature" of the sound, BUT...my primary guitar is now a dreadnaught that's a bit dark (rosewood back and sides) yet capable of defined top end thanks to its Engleman spruce top. Like you, my focus is that of singer/songwriter, and thanks to your video presenting that point of view, I'll finally take the plunge and install those 80/20s. Who knows. Might render a whole new perspective, or I might toss 'em after a week... =] My emphasis is recording. If I need to boost that 80/20 mid-range a bit, it should be easy enough to correct in the studio. Thank you, Robert.

[@RobertCassard]

I’m eager to hear how you like your dreadnought with 80/20s. I like your description of the “complex nature” of PBs. In my recording experience, some of that density and complexity isn’t easy to eliminate using EQ. Yes, you reduce the volume of the mids, but the complexity of tone is still there. If you follow my channel, you may have seen that I recently bought my “holy grail,” a Martin HD-40MK. It’s the Mark Knopfler version of a vintage D-28, and it has an alpine spruce top made of Italian wood from the same area where Stradivari got wood for his incredible violins. In other words, the top is RESONANT! It arrived with PBs, and it truly sounds phenomenal played alone (that is, when I’m not singing with it). BUT it’s output is too intense, mid-range-y and complex when I’m singing along. It’s like I’m fighting to be heard. So I’ll be trying the same thing you’re about to…switching to 80/20s. Please come back and tell me what happens! In the meantime, here’s my 20-year-old “new” Martin and how I found it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4nMkoBjpayVr6csi=H4OEqlovJHh9alMI

[@nicknikon]

What a fantastic video and feller

[@RobertCassard]

Thanks, Nick. I made a companion video where you can HEAR the differences between PB and 80/20: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4inmp2nhcZ8pbM

[@JohnMoseley]

Not trying to be a party pooper, this is a genuine question. As i understand it the 'polymer' on the coated strings is gortex or similar. Does that mean it contains so-called 'forever chemicals' - POAs or PFOAs such as are in non-stick coatings and that, when released into water supplies, cause cancer? I know gortex used to contain these chemicals.

[@RobertCassard]

Excellent question, John. I don't know the answer and I couldn't find anything about it on the Elixir website. I see that Gore, as a company, is trying to eliminate these chemicals: www.gore-tex.com/sustainability/protect-the-planet/reduce-chemical-impacts I've written to Elixir and posed the question exactly as you asked it. Hopefully, they'll respond soon and if/when they do, I'll post their response here. In the meantime, the coating on Elixir strings is very thin, so it's a small quantity compared to most other uses and applications of GoreTex. But you've got me thinking about it and wanting to know how the Gore coating differs from D'Addario and other companies who offer coated and/or treated strings. Thanks again!

[@JohnMoseley]

@@RobertCassard Thank you, and glad that's a helpful question. I look forward to hearing what you find out.

[@RobertCassard]

I got an encouraging response from Gore: Across the Elixir® Strings portfolio, only our wound strings have a protective coating of either our original POLYWEB® or thinner NANOWEB® or OPTIWEB® Coatings. These coatings contain PTFE, an inert fluoropolymer. These proprietary coatings have been used for decades and we are confident that our guitar strings are safe for their intended use. PFAS The term PFAS stands for Per- and Polyfluoroalkyl substances. PFAS generally refers to aliphatic substances with at least one fully fluorinated carbon atom. This is a very broad chemical definition that includes thousands of substances with different properties: polymers and non-polymers; solids, liquids, and gases; persistent and non-persistent substances; highly reactive and inert substances; mobile and insoluble substances; and toxic and non-toxic chemicals. The term PFAS is too general to be very useful for communication purposes and it is insufficient to describe a class of chemicals for regulatory purposes. Therefore, at Gore, we believe it is important to be specific when discussing PFAS. Polytetrafluorethylene (PTFE) is a distinct member of the fluoropolymer class of Per- and Polyfluoroalkyl substances (PFAS). PTFE is non-toxic. High molecular weight fluoropolymers like PTFE, are highly stable, too large to be bioavailable, and do not have the potential to become widespread in the environment. PTFE and similar fluoropolymers satisfy the OECD criteria for polymers of low concern. To learn more about Gore’s Material Stewardship please visit www.gore.com/about/materials-stewardship

[@RobertCassard]

That’s a mouthful, but I take it to mean the string coatings are inert and safe.

[@JohnMoseley]

@@RobertCassard Thanks. I didn't get an alert when you posted this, so am seeing it a little late. I find it very reassuring too and will probably try a set of 12 gauge 80-20 elixirs with a Polyweb coating now. I really appreciate you looking into this.

[@wiwiksundari8668]

*sorry for my English grammar. Thank you very much indeed, this was very much helpful, Sir. I love 80/20 Bronze ! And I love Brian Jones & Davy Graham, both of them musicians from the '60s. I pretty much use only Martin Originals 80/20 11 gauge size (soft & woody sound) & Ernie Ball Aluminium Bronze 11 gauge size (shimmering & a bit louder than the 80/20) with an electric flatwound strings 11/12 gauge size from any brands. I have a Korea (2005) non-bracing ladder Epiphone EJ-160E dreadnought that actually very much an average guitar, but I do love my 18 years old acoustic guitar, lots of gig & memories. And my guitar loves the 80/20 too, I think

[@RobertCassard]

Your grammar is very good, Wiwik. I'm happy 80/20 strings work well for you. And your 2005 Epiphone will sound better and better with age-just make sure to keep playing it so the wood stays "alive"!

[@davidstoeckl6439]

I've been an 80-20 lover for decades. I just change the strings a bit more often. My main acoustic is a Martin D-18. 80-20's love it. I've never warmed up to phosphor bronze strings, even as a younger player. They just sound more plain to my ear.

[@RobertCassard]

You and I must have a similar ear, David. In general, I think 80/20s sound the best on most, but not all, guitars. Whenever I put Phosphors on my best guitars, they sound more like my cheaper ones!

[@chocofaso]

Which strings would you recommend for a classical bluesy sound?

[@RobertCassard]

Name a couple of musicians who play in the style you’re hoping to emulate…

[@chocofaso]

@@RobertCassard I'm not trying to emulate, I want to play my own music with a clasical blues sound. I guess I should go for the 80/20

[@RobertCassard]

@@chocofaso Glad you're going for originality! I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "classical blues." If you want a classic (vintage) acoustic blues tone, most of the vintage players played guitars with very mellow (old, dead-sounding) strings. Martin Monel strings aim to approximate that kind of mellow tone. 80/20s are similarly "vintage" in that every acoustic guitar had them up until Phosphor Bronze was invented around 1974. I hope that helps!

[@chocofaso]

@@RobertCassard Thank you very much!

[@RobertCassard]

@@chocofaso Absolutely

[@theotherside001]

Thanks! I use Dr Sunbeams 12's PBs, John Pearse 12's PB and Gibson 12's PBs. All NON Coated. I use a Gibson Modern Classic Hummingbird. Thanks againfor the demo.

[@RobertCassard]

If you sing while playing your beautiful Bird, try 80/20s sometime…

[@BrianMcNamara1]

Which strings do you think would sound best on a Yamaha FG5...I am a singer/songwriter...I have Elixir Nanoweb Phosphor Bronze Lights on it at the moment and they seem OK...should I try the 80/20's?

[@RobertCassard]

First of all, congrats on your FG5. Very nice guitar! It's almost identical to my vintage FG-151 from the mid-70s. I featured it in one of my first Guitar Discoveries videos, strung with Elixir 80/20s: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKHXo2yMnpekZq8 I also used it for a clean acoustic lead solo on a recent song from my band Cosmic Spin (again, with 80/20s). Solo shown at 8:21: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZa3nKWundGVnKc If you sing as much or more than you play instrumentals, I definitely recommend trying the 80/20s. If your voice is at all like mine (high baritone/low tenor), I think you'll be pleased with how your guitar and voice complement each other.

[@BrianMcNamara1]

@@RobertCassard I forgot56 to mention that I also play a J-50 that I bought brand new in 1965 at Long & McQuade in Toronto, back in the day when they were on Yonge Street and had only one store at the time! My J-50 is really beaten up because I played it on the road for a number of years with my country band, Buckshot. I recently had the fingerboard sanded down to get rid of all the dents and then it was re-fretted by Michael McConville in Stratford, Ontario...McConville also installed a new compensated bone saddle and a compensated bone nut...I know some people are telling me that a compensated nut is just snake oil and bullshit, but I think it really helps the guitar play in tune quite a bit better than without a compensated nut. Just sayin'! I just put the 80/20's on it yesterday with 13-56 Elixir Nanowebs. Sounding great! It always plays in tune way better with new strings anyway. Thanks again for the great tips and great information! Do you use 13-56 or do you use 12-53 on your J-50. I like the 13's because the Gibson's scale is pretty short. Anxious to hear your opinion on string gauges. Best Brian

[@RobertCassard]

@@BrianMcNamara1 Ah, an old j-50!! Glad you gave it some TLC. I'm all for compensated saddle and nuts. Funny, another viewer just asked me about string gauges. Here's a summary of what I told them: When I first bought by J-50 in the mid-70s, I routinely played Heavy (.14 gauge) strings, coupled with a medium gauge pick. It had a full and rich tone for sure. Then in '79-'80, I got an intense 5-night-a-week, 5 hours-a-night solo gig at a restaurant/pub. The heavy gauge strings were too hard on my hands. So I experimented with gauge, first switching to Mediums (.13-.56). To my surprise, the slightest bit of added bass EQ on the PA system completely compensated for the tonal difference. And the highs were more brilliant. Then I tried Light Gauge (.12-.53) and it was a revelation. The guitar felt SO easy to play, and I could bend strings and play with more expression generally. And again, by adding some subtle bass boost, the guitar sounded better than ever. (And I was having much more fun.) I've tested gauges in the studio, too. Because of some upgrades I made to my J-50 over the years (documented in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmrTnodqqttlpaM) to my ear, it truly plays and sounds best with Light gauge strings. Thankfully! I have a Martin HD-40 dreadnought that sounds best with .13-.56 Medium Gauge. I find pick gauge really important, too. The thickness and material can have an equal or greater effect on the sound of a guitar than the string gauge. My second Guitar Discoveries video (over 5 years ago!) demonstrated the tonal effect of pick gauges: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4W6h5V4aJt2o9k

[@jimbojackson2900]

So if you like to sing but really aren’t all that great at it, which string would help to favor the overall performance? I know you mentioned 80/20 helps to give room for vocals but for someone who isn’t necessarily great at it, I presume we want strings that give us more room for error so to speak? If so, which would you recommend in that case?

[@RobertCassard]

Well, first things first, Jimbo. Before worrying about your string choice, let’s build up your singing confidence. Here’s the first installment in my Voice Training for Guitarists series: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKOlq5Stgp54p68si=QrrTDhOkrEAGZ0Zw Once you get yourself believing and delivering the message as much as singing the notes, you won’t feel the need to cover anything. At that point, the 80/20 or PB choice should be whatever sounds best to you. IMHO just because PB strings have more midrange and occupy more of the vocal mid-frequencies doesn’t make them more forgiving. But it also depends on your guitar… sorry I can’t give a definitive answer, but take it from me, vocal confidence is ultimately way more important than your strings. Cheers!

[@jimbojackson2900]

Thank you for such an in depth response. I will check out the link! New sub here!

[@RobertCassard]

@@jimbojackson2900 as James Taylor would say, "That's why I'm here."

[@zitnbit]

What about nickel one? Martin retro solid nikel

[@RobertCassard]

I haven't tried those yet, so can't offer meaningful advice.

[@west4coast77]

Great explanation - certainly makes sense. Play a Taylor (314ce) with D'Addario phosphor bronze and seem to work for me BUT, will experiment with a set of 80/20's and see how they compare. Thanks a lot!

[@RobertCassard]

In my own experience, Taylor and Takamine are two brands that often sound their best with Phosphor Bronze strings. That said, the "scooped EQ" still applies. If the mid frequencies are getting in your way as a singer, try some 80/20s and see how they sound and feel. If you use coated strings, it will tame some of the brightest tones on the high B and E strings. If you have an easy way to capture audio, make a recording of playing only and and a recording of playing AND singing before you change to 80/20s. Afterward, record the same things with the new strings and A/B the recordings. Can't wait to hear about your experience!

[@west4coast77]

@@RobertCassard Thanks so much Robert! Such a detailed response. Since I now mainly just record my playing (I'm an "adequate" singer at best) I'll likely heed your advice and stick with the Phosphor Bronze with the Taylor. I'll still try some 80/20's and record a comparison. Curious how they'll sound. Thx again.

[@RobertCassard]

@@west4coast77 I'd truly love to know. From my personal experience, and as a baritone, 80/20s always seem to "stay out of the way" of my own vocals. I just bought a Martin dreadnought that came with phosphor bronze strings. It's very balanced - perfect for playing instrumental stuff or acoustic solos, but there's quite a lot of jangle in the upper mids. I'm sure you can guess what MY next experiment will be...

[@west4coast77]

@@RobertCassard Thanks Robert. I just recently put new strings on the Taylor (D'Addario Phosphor Bronze), so when I change again, I'll try the 80/20's and let you know how I think they work out. Interesting you got some "jangle" in the upper mids with your new Martin with phosphor bronze...hmmm... I tend to prefer playing a smaller guitar for fingerstyle, so don't know if a dreadnought may be a variable. I've posted a few vids on youtube if you'd like to have a look and listen (very few views..ha! and just post on youtube so friends that aren't on facebook etc. can see/listen). Been going direct lately, simply because I live in the big city (Vancouver) and kept getting interrupted by ambulances at inopportune times. Previously recorded with a large condenser. So, that certainly changes the sound but relatively happy with the results (even though a bit synthetic sounding at times). Cheers, Ken

[@markmacalik9693]

I like the aluminum bronze by ernie ball on some guitars and nickel bronze by d'addario or Retro by Martin on others. I think the aluminum bronze have a more vintage sound and the notes are almost singing when I play solos. The nickel bronze are more drier in sound but has a strong punch so I love that for rhythm style playing. Retro or monel sounds very neutral or sterile so when I just want the true and pure sound of the guitar without any coloring of the tones, I go for that. I used to play the 80/20s but gave up long ago because of the drastic change in tone after the break in period. PBs were also good for a while until the new strings came along and destroyed all the older competition, at least for me.

[@RobertCassard]

Thanks Mark. Are you a vocalist? Or guitar-only? I had a similar experience to you with 80/20s getting dull way too quickly until I started playing coated strings. Now I'm amazed that I can enjoy all the benefits of 80/20 strings without the drawbacks.

[@markmacalik9693]

@@RobertCassard i used to sing more when my skills were limited but as I got better on the guitar, i tend to play more instrumental stuff now. that's why i use different strings for guitars nowadays

[@RobertCassard]

@@markmacalik9693 That makes perfect sense. Thanks for sharing your insights and your string preferences.

[@volkantansk816]

well i wasnt know that as a insturemantal fingerstyle guitarist. Time to test phospor bronze !

[@RobertCassard]

Have fun testing. Come back and tell me if you like Phosphor Bronze for finger tyle playing.

[@exerciserelax8719]

This might be a weird question but why do the high (E-B) strings sound different with these different types of strings? Since they're not wrapped, aren't they all just steel? Is it because of how they resonate with the other strings?

[@RobertCassard]

Great question. Based on my research, High E and B strings for acoustic guitar are different with 80/20 or Phosphor Bronze Strings. Even though they're aren't wrapped, they aren't plain steel and therefore do sound different.

[@exerciserelax8719]

@@RobertCassard Very interesting! Thanks for letting me know.

[@RobertCassard]

@@exerciserelax8719 I was happy to confirm there IS a difference

[@deadmanwalking1930]

Hello, i have a faith naked venus which is fairy bright and currently using elixir pb 12 gauge. Do you think the 80/20 strings will suit my guitar?

[@RobertCassard]

Brightness is in the ear of the beholder. But your guitar has an Engelman Spruce top and mahogany back and sides. If you sing while playing acoustically, give 80/20s a try and I think you’ll be happy with the added bass and tamed mid frequencies. Your Fishman preamp has a built-in EQ allowing you to choose flat or scooped EQ.

[@deadmanwalking1930]

@RobertCassard thank you for the quick reply. Yes, spruce top and mahogany back and sides. I don't sing professionally, but I do enjoy as a hobby. I more play for myself. Anyway, you make a great point of using the EQ when using it through the amp. I do love th4 sound from 80/20 in older recordings as well as what I've heard comparing to PB. Which I also like. But I'm definitely going to try some 80/20 and will be sure to let you know what I think of them. Appreciate your help. Peace

[@RobertCassard]

I hope you love the difference

[@danmayes4657]

Thanks! How about using with a sound hole magnetic pickup? Any differences. P.S. I went with the small Bill Lawrence A300 pickup for my little Epiphone. Awesome!

[@RobertCassard]

That’s a great question, Dan. I’ve never done a side-by-side comparison, but I’d suspect that the frequency response of the strings would carry through to the pickup. Glad you like the A300!

[@FPMediaVideoProduction]

This is guidelines video that I am looking for in looking for right string for my Yamaha F310... Thanks for the info

[@RobertCassard]

Glad it was helpful, FP!

[@FPMediaVideoProduction]

@@RobertCassard Thanks for replying. I will consider to use 0.12 80/20 bronze since F310 have a bigger bodied draughnaught. Now I am using 0.10 85/15 which is too soft and less output.

[@RobertCassard]

@@FPMediaVideoProduction That sounds like the right match for your guitar. Come back and tell me how it sounds with the .12s!

[@FPMediaVideoProduction]

@@RobertCassard Sure, thanks!.. Just one more thing that I concerned, is that any differences in terms of 'tone' between using 0.11 and 0.12 (but both still 80/20 bronze)... I Understand it's only gauge measurement tension. I just worried because "maybe" too much tension will affect the neck..

[@RobertCassard]

@@FPMediaVideoProduction Changes in string gauge are more noticeable on acoustic than electric guitars. A set of 0.12 acoustic strings is still considered "light" gauge, They definitely shouldn't overstress the neck or bridge of any guitar that's kept in conditions with reasonably stable humidity and temperature. (More of that here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXzVh2qbf8ebpK8) Almost every acoustic can handle medium gauge 0.13s without neck or bridge problems.

[@ole2720]

Finally I get it - the difference. Thank you 🙂

[@RobertCassard]

I'm glad this was helpful. Just recently, I made another video with direct sound comparisons between 80/20 and Phosphor Bronze. Check it out here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHSriaGLjstpiMk

[@chief18bigmix]

thanks for the info. more power :)

[@RobertCassard]

You're welcome!

[@willywantoknow2563]

I have a dreadnaught cedar top seagull mosaic artist. It's gaining more action so i want to try some lighter strings and see if that helps keep the action low. If i were to go extra light strings, should i go 80/20 or phosphor? I was using 80/20 light and it balanced nicely with the cedar dreadnought, my concern was if i go extra light does the sound get brighter that i need to compensate with phosphorus to maintain the sound i like?

[@RobertCassard]

Hi Willy. The action can be affected by a number of factors other than string gauge. The first thing is to make sure your guitar’s humidity is kept around 50%. I did a video about D’Addario Humidipaks to help keep the guitar stable. Next, adjust your truss rod to angle the neck back a bit. This should allow you to lower the action to the perfect level. If you reach the maximum angle of the truss rod and the action is still high, often the saddle and/or bridge can be shaved down to lower the action. You shouldn’t have to change the strings you love!

[@willywantoknow2563]

@@RobertCassard thanks! I have a humid meter in right now reading 47%. Next steps to follow🙏

[@RobertCassard]

@@willywantoknow2563 Doing it right!

[@jasper_north]

Lovely work man. Thx

[@RobertCassard]

Thx Jasper.

[@presentelaw]

Thank you, thank you, thank you! I sing and strum mostly. I liked 80/20. Then I keep hearing about PB sounding better. I have been switching back and forth for years. But, I just realised from your video that none of them sang! PB does clash with vocals. My next problem is deciding to stick to 12 or 13. I honestly prefer 13 because I mainly strum.

[@RobertCassard]

You're very welcome! This was an important realization for me, too. As for your 12 or 13 dilemma, go with what sound best to you. Most people don;t have the hand strength for 13s, so if you do, that may be your signature sound!

[@1989DiscGolfer]

Oooh, that 1964 Gibson there! My next-door neighbor when I lived in Kalamazoo, MI was a Korean War vet who worked in the acoustic side of Gibson for years and years. There's a real good chance he helped make that one!

[@RobertCassard]

I love that, 1989! I grew up about an hour north of the Gibson factory. Funny for me to think of those folks toiling away, making these beautiful instruments, while i was toddling around. I'm forever grateful to that crew. It's one of the reasons I couldn't resist buying a guitar made by The Heritage once Gibson moved South and the Kalamazoo employees took over the old plant and kept making amazing guitars. Here's my very first Guitar Discoveries video, featuring, not surprisingly, my J-50: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6mbdqCrqbeEaaM. And video #5, about The Heritage: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4fNgo2pfpxkaLM

[@jerrybarnum6444]

Great video! Very informative. My 1974 D-28 sounds muted with the PBs I'm using. What gauge coated 80-20s would you suggest to a player who uses guitar for rhythm and vocals?

[@RobertCassard]

Hey Jerry. I find Elixir Light Gauge 80/20s to be heavy enough to sound full and rich, feel easy enough to play for long periods, and not get in the way of vocals. Here's a link: amzn.to/3InNWUL

[@sigmoid9]

Hey Robert, great video! I’ve been studying ‘bout strings these days and I was looking for some quality information. Glad to tell you I found it. These days I’m into GHS strings, and their ‘vintage bronze’ strings I have on my guitar(kind of Gibson style) are made of 85/15, which is not quite general. What characteristics would the 85/15 have? I would like to hear your opinion.

[@RobertCassard]

85/15 strings are called "vintage" because they actually pre-date the development of 80/20s. Can't guarantee it without hearing them in person, but they should have a little less of the scooped midrange. Keeping much of the brilliance and bass response of 80/20s, but filling up the mids. Halfway to Phosphor... Probably great for fingerstyle playing.

[@sigmoid9]

@@RobertCassard I think what I felt is quite similar to your guess. Thanks for sharing your opinion Robert. I look forward to some more videos of yours

[@RobertCassard]

@sigmoid9 cool! Glad your experience seems to corroborate my guess. I might need to to try 85/15s!

[@Doowopsid]

Great video discussing the differences but would have liked to hear to the strings being played more. Just a suggestion

[@RobertCassard]

Great suggestion. I have a tendency to talk more than play in my videos…passing along “wisdom” and all that! LOL

[@Doowopsid]

@@RobertCassard So kind of you to respond to me! I did find your video to be very informative and enjoyable! Thank you

[@RobertCassard]

@@Doowopsid My pleasure. Here's one where I play more and resist the urge to talk at all. Phosphor Bronze on this particular Martin... because you'll notice, I'm not singing either! kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXmveGOheMuKfs0

[@Doowopsid]

@@RobertCassard Wow, I just watched it and commented. Very cool video and your playing is outstanding! I appreciate your taking the time to communicate with me. I can only dream of getting to your level of playing. I practice just about every day but I’m a “longtime beginner” of too many years to mention! Thanks again

[@RobertCassard]

@@Doowopsid The whole reason I started my channel was to pass along tips, tricks, shortcuts and suggestions to help every guitarist (especially longtime beginners!) make faster progress. I hope you look around the channel and find more info that helps you stay inspired and make faster progress.

[@FreundRA]

Also primarily a singer . I experimented with strings and found myself using 8/20's on my j45 and phosphor bronze on my brighter Guild d40 and Taki . Now I know why. PS Getting nice life out of the Stringoys. But yes the 8/20 are best the first few days, great for a week or two or longer depending on how much I play that guitar, then they fall off a cliff.

[@RobertCassard]

I'm glad your experience is confirming mine. "Cliff falling" is a good term for the drop-off in tone. For me, it happens after only a few hours with most uncoated strings, so they're really not a practical option. With Elixirs or D'Addario XS, I'm able to change strings much more rarely. That's a godsend because I have quite a few guitars that only get played while layering sounds for recording. I can rely on them being ready and sounding good whenever I open the case, even after a few months...

[@FreundRA]

@@RobertCassard I tried coated strings years ago and was dissatisfied with the tone and disappointed when the coating started to fray. I understand Stringjoy has a new string where the wire is coated before the core is wrapped. Curiosity may get the best of me. So possibly a set with my next order.

[@uptownphotography]

Excellent information. I just picked yo a full body acoustic guitar recently and the string comparison has become relevant. * Being an electric guitarist, I do not play acoustics very often and only when recording. My question is (because I am more used to lighter electric guitar gauge strings), is there any difference in the stiffness/tension of the two types strings of the same gauge? Is one type easier to push down (or bend) when you compare the same gauge string side by side? Thanks in advance and very nice video. Phil NYC Area / Jersey Shore

[@RobertCassard]

Hey Phil. In my experience, any difference in string tension between 80/20 and Phosphor Bronze on acoustic guitar is subtle. That said, when I looked online, I found this: Higher string tension: Phosphor bronze strings (92% copper, 8% tin, and 0.2% phosphorus) Lower string tension: 80/20 strings (80% bronze, 20% zinc) For me to feel a noticeable difference, I have to change string gauge, not metal composition. The difference between string gauges is more obvious on acoustic guitar than electric, both in playability and tone. On most of my acoustics, I've settled on standard light gauge (.12-.53) as the overall best combination of playability and tone. I also use coated strings for consistency of tone over the longest possible number of playing hours. Elixir remains my preferred brand overall: amzn.to/40kgXuG D'Addario XS is a close second. I hope this helps. You might also enjoy this video, which includes a sound comparison: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHSriaGLjstpiMk

[@uptownphotography]

@@RobertCassard Thanks Robert for the very detailed reply. I appreciate, when people like yourself, go the extra mile to be as accurate and forth coming with information as you have done. That means a lot to me. I am not an acoustic guitarist (as mentioned), but primarily a guitarist that plays an electric. I bought an Ovation years ago only to record some background parts. I did recently, by chance, get a larger bodied acoustic given to me and wanted to get new strings on it that were very light gauge because the strings on it were easily 10-15 years old with their guitar sitting in the person's basement untouched. Your video is by far one of the best I have seen on this subject. Phil Jersey Shore Area

[@RobertCassard]

@@uptownphotography I totally understand, and I'm happy to share my experience. FYI - on most acoustic guitars, there's no right or wrong, but there's a pretty major tone difference when you switch from Light Gauge to Extra Light. The guitar will sound brighter, with significantly less bass response. You'll also hear a lot more upper-midrange pick attack. It will definitely be easier to play, but it's a pretty serious trade-off when you're playing the guitar without other instruments. (Most guitars sound "cheaper" with extra lights.) That said, the extra "edge" of extra lights can sound aggressive in a mix when other instruments are filling in the low-mid and bass frequencies. Sometimes, it's a good thing. Have fun!

[@uptownphotography]

@@RobertCassard Thanks again Robert. I am going to experiment a bit. I will say the acoustic that I was given (at a yard sale of all places) sound's really rich and full even with the really old strings it has on it. It is not an expensive acoustic guitar and I am amazed how great this guitar sounds. When it was made the builders must have got luck with all the glue joints and bracing and perhaps (likely) they got really lucky with a great piece of wood that resonates really well. This guitar has to be a One-Off because everything must have just happened all at the same time to check all the boxes for a great sound. Thanks for all your help. All the best. Phil

[@RobertCassard]

@@uptownphotography always awesome to chance upon such a "keeper" that you love to play (and hear). Much of what you love about it with the old strings is likely the depth. I urge you to go with light gauge (not extra light) for that reason. Your hand will get used to the tension quickly. Cheers!

[@quietwyatt4045]

It's been my experience after over 30+ years of suffering from what | call Obsessive-Compulsive Hyper-Critical Guitar String-Blaming Disorder (OCHCGSBD) that it indeed comes down to Phosphor/Bronze and 80/20. In general, Phosphor/Bronze strings can be considered the "Great Equalizers". On a "modest" guitar (less than $1,000, say) the Phosphor/Bronze can work wonders at helping the instrument sound pleasing. They have a generic sound that can cover over a cheaper guitar's imperfections. Also, it is very true that they last longer than 80/20s. It's when you get up into the high-end of the acoustic guitar world that the 80/20's begin to make more sense. The 80/20s, short-lived though they are, are the strings that make a Martin, a Gibson, an old Westerly Guild F50r, sound completely unlike each other; and completely like themselves. In short, if you want to hear what your guitar really sounds like, use 80/20s.

[@RobertCassard]

That's a super-insightful comment, Wyatt, and your experience matches my own. It's something I'd never quite put into words - how a very beautifully constructed and expensive guitar can sound "cheaper" and less unique with PBs. Many "cheap" acoustics do sound better with PBs; many expensive acoustics sound more typical. I guess what we're saying is: 80/20s reveal a guitar's true character.

[@quietwyatt4045]

@@RobertCassard Thanks!😊

[@mark.gallaher3193]

On most of my rosewood bodied acoustics, I tend to prefer 80/20s. Due to the overtones inherent to many rosewood guitars, PB's tend to sound 'muddy' on rosewood guitars. I always use PB's on my mahogany guitars as 80/20s are too bright on those for my personal taste. I've been using Elixrs of both types of string for nearly 20 years and find the tone to be more consistent over a longer time frame.

[@RobertCassard]

Thanks for sharing that info, Mark. I tend to prefer Elixirs, too. That's an interesting take on string type with rosewood vs. mahogany. My 64 Gibson J-50 is mahogany and my '02 Martin MK-40 is rosewood. Both of those sound most balanced with 80/20s (at least when paired with my voice). I did a new tone test video comparing 80/20 and PBs on the rosewood Martin: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHSriaGLjstpiMk The strings were D'Addario XS (coated) because that's what the guitar came with.

[@mark.gallaher3193]

@@RobertCassard It's an interesting discussion, but the reality is that it all comes down to personal preference. And that preference is subject to change over time - and sometimes for no apparent reason. The good thing is that there enough options to satisfy most of us.

[@ChuckinOhio]

Hi Robert…what differences do string gauges make in overall tone?

[@RobertCassard]

Thanks for the question, Chuck. String gauge makes an audible difference on acoustic guitars, and it's similar to the difference in pick gauge. Medium gauge is generally thick, loud and rich (less high-end attack). Light gauge is what I think of as the most balanced and "natural" sounding gauge for acoustics. Most guitars are built spec'ed with light gauge from the manufacturer. Extra light gauge offers the benefit of being easy on the fingers, but it sounds far more "stringy" and metallic. More high-end and noticeably less bass response. If in doubt, experiment, take playability notes and make recordings of each gauge. Most of my acoustics have light gauge as their sweet spot. But I have one acoustic that sounds incredible with medium gauge and too thin with anything else. One of the first videos I ever did demonstrated how much of a difference pick gauge makes. Many people are shocked by it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4W6h5V4aJt2o9k

[@dolphinbluesong5319]

The WAY you play can affect your acoustic just as much as strings. Especially the thickness and type of pick if you use one. The way you finger pick just as much. Always used 80/20s

[@RobertCassard]

True, Dolphin. One of my first videos was called How Thick is Your Pick: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4W6h5V4aJt2o9k It makes a huge difference... it can even sound like a completely different guitar.

[@ramspencer5492]

Martin Lifespan figured out a really good (non coated) treatment and i can confirm they don't corrode easily... At least for me.....

[@RobertCassard]

That’s great to hear, Ram. I haven’t tried them. My former experience with Martin strings was that they were inconsistent from string to string. I’m guessing they’ve fixed that problem, too.

[@ramspencer5492]

@@RobertCassard from my recent experience... They seem pretty consistent....I came back to them fairly recently.. when I tried DR strings, I was disappointed with the occasional bad string.... Haven't noticed any of that with the new Martin sucks I use so far.

[@ramspencer5492]

Sucks was a typo... *Strings 😁

[@RobertCassard]

@@ramspencer5492 I read right through the typo!

[@michaelmonaganmusic5683]

What's that thumbpick you're using?

[@RobertCassard]

It's a Black Mountain spring-loaded thumbpick. I have them in various gauges and spring-tensions. Definitely my favorite: amzn.to/4gp4rzJ

[@frogblues]

All Gibson Acoustic instruments ship with 12-53 gauge Coated Phosphor Bronze acoustic guitar strings (just fyi for anyone switching strings for the first time, if you want to switch back to what you had).

[@RobertCassard]

Thanks for that info, @frogblues. Medium PB strings don't work particularly well on my '64 J-50. It's much happier with light gauge 80/20s...especially true when I tune strings 3, 4 and 5 up into Open E: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4uVaH-ObNx1kMk

[@frogblues]

@@RobertCassard Also thank you for the open E video, that is excellent! (Especially the Tangled Up in Blue part for me.)

[@RobertCassard]

@@frogblues my pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it.

[@RickCarr]

Great info!!

[@RobertCassard]

Glad it was helpful, Rick.

[@stephenchalmers71]

Between 80/20 and phosphor bronze, I prefer 80/20. D’Addario XT 80/20s are excellent. I mostly use Martin Retro Monel strings these days, though. They’re very well suited for smaller body mahogany guitars, which is perfect for my Guild M-20 (all mahogany) and my Larrivee OM-03 (Sitka/mahogany).

[@RobertCassard]

Thanks, Stephen. I haven't tried the Retro Monels yet. I assume they're uncoated...do they resist corrosion? How long do they typically last for you?

[@stephenchalmers71]

@@RobertCassard They’re not coated, but the nickel is pretty resistant to corrosion. I also kind of like the way they sound when they go “dead.” Very reminiscent of Nick Drake’s guitar tone, especially on my M-20. So I usually only change strings a couple of times a year at most. Or when one breaks, which is pretty rare.

[@RobertCassard]

@@stephenchalmers71 Cool, thanks Stephen. I have a couple of guitars that sound great with the "deliberately dead" Nick Drake tone.