Making A Wimshurst Machine With Conductive Ink - Part 1 - The Disks

[@brianmccreary1369]

I've clicked on the Teespring items a few times to see what products you sell as in the inks. Really enjoy your approach to teaching. Very good. Brian

[@anneinfurna8528]

I can see several uses for that Electrically Conductive Ink -- One would be for coating the inside and outside of the leyden jars. I would use a barrier coat of varnish on areas that I did not want the ink to stick to, like the inner top area and the outer top area. They used to use conductive paint to electroplate Baby Shoes and the like here in the states years ago. What I propose for the conductive brushes on the plates -- is The inner tinsel conductors of any Vintage cloth flexible telephone cord. It is a fine copper tinsel, usually wrapped around a string core, and I would embed it in a brass holder using some of your conductive ink as the Glue. It would wear well, would be negligible as to wearing against the buttons, and is easy to find to make more. You are a Craftsman for sure--and so am I!

[@stevetobias4890]

I have seen these made with CD's , this looks very promising. To think this was invented back in the late 1800's ( I think in the 1880's). I am really looking forward to seeing this in action. Thank you Rob, great video.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I know - they kind of stalled after pigeon machines until the late 60's when folks like Jefrimenko and Moore got involved

[@chrisoregan2932]

Thank you Robert, fantastic ideas as usual and to think it's basically for free! All that was required was your knowledge, experience and most importantly of all your time so thank you for sharing it 👍😃

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I do like the fact this is made just from scrap

[@jamest.5001]

I'm almost convinced, the big picture is you are building a time machine, or a anti-gravity device, ha-ha! Great video

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

lol - I guess you never know lol

[@darrellpidgeon6440]

Looks promising! Can't wait to see if it works. I still have my old machine, purchased back in the late 70's from Edmund Scientific Co. The company still exists, though by a different name, now. I need to make new brushes, and find a replacement for the Leyden cap. New, my machine could produce 75Kv.

[@paulmaydaynight9925]

given your here, why not just make your own layden and put the output through the usual microwave transformer and stand back up wind oc lol, its probably Not good to put that output near a small lit hobo stove with plasma flames and a small earth battery terminal underneath it though.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

that sounds like an awesome machine mate

[@CF23583]

Congratulations! You are officially a mad scientist! :-D

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

lol - I did wonder lol

[@marktunney5000]

Needs more hair.😊

[@mykulpierce]

So well timed! The belt on my van de Graff is about done I was going to be looking for an alternate generator! I'm in the middle of a move, hopefully I will be able to copy your design as soon as my new workshop is set up!

[@paulmaydaynight9925]

oh robert, see... he's using a kite :-D michael remember plasma (basicly a flame) helps localised charge collection

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

awesome mate - tbh it is likely to be a bit steampunk!

[@mykulpierce]

@@ThinkingandTinkering oh you're definitely selling me on it then! 🤣 No more experiments in a condo for me! I've been putting a lot more effort into my martial arts lately on Twitter and I am hoping to get back into my KZbin experiments! And I definitely want to be using more graphene!

[@mykulpierce]

@@paulmaydaynight9925 absolutely all according to Maxwell's equations. The trick I think is more surface area. It's been somewhat difficult finding an artificial structure to use that works better than the grass.

[@anneinfurna8528]

I made a new Van De graff belt for one of my Machines with some linen that I painted some liquid latex (Mold-it) on and then I cut it into 2 strips and sewed them together utilizing the rubber side on the outside - -it works great.

[@igloobearred]

Robert... I've been looking at flywheels lately as a sort of mechanical battery in themselves. Fascinating. I love seeing what projects you've got going. ❤🇺🇸🤜🤛🇬🇧❤cheers

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I do like flywheels mate and cheers

[@3dmaker699]

Looking forward to the next video.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

just uploading mate

[@Buzzhumma]

Very cool Rob. Will be very interesting to see the ink perform. Maybe it could be wand plated if it needs improvement!

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

nice one mate - cheers

[@gravelanchinc9125]

What do you think of two opposing belts like a pair of belt sanders? Kind of impractical, but I think it would look cool

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

nothing wrong with that idea mate - like it!

[@moultan]

Loving your videos. Thanks mate

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

cheers mate

[@unpopuIaropinion]

Would it work if just one wheel was spinning and the other wheel being stationary ?

[@Alexander_Sannikov]

ideally you want sectors to be separated by parallel lines instead of radial ones, because if they're radial, spark will jump across the shortest distance which will be closest to center. if they are separated by parallel lines, there will be no preferred path for the spark

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

cheers

[@igotapochahontas]

Did it work?

[@hotdrippyglass]

I wonder if you have looked into making photovoltaic cells with the conductive ink?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

yes

[@stevemacbr]

Enough to make your hair stand on end,... LOL .

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

lol

[@geodeaholicm4889]

very cool, i've always wanted to make one a these. wonder if you could use 1 to power a steam punk bug zapper.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

now that is anode I like lol

[@thornhedge9639]

Would a binnetti be the same as a Bedinni? Sort of a power amplifier or extender? I'm not sure the proper term here..

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

Bonnetti mate it's a sector less wimshurst really

[@LindsayButler]

Amazing. I bought a Chinese one off eBay and was thinking to replace the foil with some ink I haven't used from being a backer on your crowdfunding campaign. (Will it still be useable?) Presumably you can make (paint) a leyden jar with your ink?

[@hissst69]

Take measurements before and after would love to see the difference :)

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

wow - that was a while ago - to be honest mate I don't know and yes a Leyden jar would be very doable - I do one in the next vid if that helps

[@TobaJones77]

Hi Rob, pre-empting things here a bit. Regarding the mechanism you are going to use to spin the disks (of which we got a sneek peek a day or two ago) if you were to make the pegs out materials in the triboelectric series, would you also create a van de graff effect? So a cog with nylon pegs, the middle cog with rubber pegs and and another of nylon pegs. Just wondering if two for the price of one was possible.

[@yesihavereadit]

There's a Spanish machine recently developed three rollers to do just that!

[@TobaJones77]

@@yesihavereadit i didn't know that, thanks Mike, I'll look it up 👍

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I would think so mate

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

it a few years old now mate - they tried to sell the patent - I think they want a couple of million dollars for it

[@yesihavereadit]

@@ThinkingandTinkering recently is a relative term! It's newer than a wimshurst or Van Der graaff

[@Barskor1]

Round glass patio tables for the disks when you want to go bigger on the project.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

nice one mate

[@Barskor1]

@@ThinkingandTinkering Thanks

[@markhodgson2348]

Are you going to varnish the hubs to stop the moisture causing HV leakage

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

nice idea mate - maybe

[@xeonprofessional]

hi Robert,, any chance u could make the ink just a little viscose like putty?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

no sorry mate

[@Alexander_Sannikov]

even if ink has high resistance, it should not be a big problem in this case because of very high voltage and low current, losses will be minimal.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I would think so

[@Sixalienasa]

It would be nice to be able to watch Part 4

[@colouroboros9993]

looks awesome!

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

cheers mate

[@sk8pkl]

I thought that... If you could paint those... Havent you though about painting these with a curve? Spiral fashion?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

interesting mate - give it a go

[@sk8pkl]

@@ThinkingandTinkering well i'd do so if i had the time to gather and make it. Ive never seen a "whimsurst" machine with such "electrode plates" and i really really wonder if it even works. I think the + and - cant be charged at the same time, but i dont think the question has been awnsered yet. I also though about placing rounded "electrode plates" in a sunflower pattern so when ever it spins no plates are charged at the same exact time. I think the resulting frequency would be the best for charging caps. Anyhow... I hope it gave you some ideas. I really wish i had the time to investigate myself. I'd offer you a "coop" for shure!

[@kennedy67951]

Hey Robert why didn't you just drill the size hole you would have needed and just push the Brass Pins in place instead of using glue. Also, wouldn't you have a better contact point for your Ink if you had Sanded the Inking area first? Just asking mate. Thanks for the upload.

[@paulmaydaynight9925]

stay tuned to see how a Wimshurt Machine works, sneak peek you cant have conductive parts coming near each other unless by design.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

we salvaged acrylic plates from and LCD mate and they have a smooth side and a rough side - we used the rough side of the acrylic plate - but you are right sanding first is a good idea if you have two smooth sides - you shouldn't really push the pins through the material as that will basically short circuit the build up of charge on the disks mate

[@user-zm3ji8uu2q]

When you said you were making a W machine, I just _knew_ you were going to use conductive ink on the disks! :-) Are you going to make mega-farad Leyden jars as well?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

yep lol

[@Alexander_Sannikov]

number of sectors needs to be even, so 3,5,7,etc won't work because you need to put a conductive wire to transfer charge from each sector to the opposing one, and there's no opposing sector for odd number

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

cheers

[@pattayaguideorg]

Love this channel lol

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

cheers mate

[@paulmaydaynight9925]

im still wondering if the Wimshurt in combination with lime light will make simple flash GO to graphene/all the ene's and oc other products. if so, then maybe a simple saturated quicklime (calcium oxide) pulsed "exploding water" will do the right reaction sequence for your production poc, carbon doped calcium, or calcium doped carbon etc. does the conversion from GO to graphene make it drop out of solution and/or become more magnetic (inducible) ! if so then again replacing eric's spinning copper cylinder with fluidic pulsed "exploding water" tube next to the ac traveling wave steel,aluminium ring poc would logicly set up a revolving centrifugal magnetic micro graphene helix

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I dunno mate - but suspect the joules won't be enough unless you have quite some caps on it or a large disk radius

[@xxEndermelonxx]

Why is wim hurt?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

lol - because I am mildly dyslexic

[@blueredbrick]

:) nice, ill have a look

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

awesome

[@SaucemanSauceman]

Make a anti-G lifter with it!

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I did think about that lol