ROBOUTE GUILLIMAN MEETS MORTARION!

Hi all, Wolf Lord Rho back again.
Today we discuss the events that unfolded when Roboute Guilliman met his brother Mortarion for the first time since the Great Crusade!
What happened? What are the repercussions? And where will it lead?

[@scrapinator8910]

40k: single dad’s family implodes, leaves a broken home, the neighbors hate all of his kids.

[@Thalanox]

Which is amazing, since single father families are worlds better than single mother families.

[@SamGlaze]

Thalanox weird flex, but okay

[@SeismicHammer]

@@Thalanox I mean, have you seen the Eldar?

[@Thalanox]

@@SeismicHammer A family destroyed by drug addiction. One of them went on the straight and narrow path to avoid falling into drugs again, while the other is a shithead who considers "more drugs" the solution to all problems.

[@SeismicHammer]

@@Thalanox Now the only members left of the adults of the family are the mother, who is stuck with a creepy old man, who struggles to help out her children the best she can, the angry uncle that was responsible for alienating the children from the adults in the first place who occasionally is coherent enough to go and punch some of the children's enemies, and the crazy uncle who thinks it's all a laugh.

[@Kunori]

In a twisted way, Mortarion seems kind of happy to see Guilliman.

[@someorclad9738]

Can't blame him. In the end, when all the blood and gore is done, they're still bros, and Guilliman was perhaps his only brother that was still sane. Any brother, even a plauge demigod thing would be somewhat happy.

[@chadkotka3150]

Wait till the Lion shows up. Can't wait!

[@gasterblaster9817]

To be fair, the default emotional state of Nurgle worshipers can best be described as "mirthful"

[@Troublechutor]

The only correct way to write Mortarion should be the hug of death. To the extent the followers of Nurgle feel rage, it should be at the stubborn nature of life to defy death. Beyond that, those that embrace their fate should be treated as honored guests at a party that never ends. Mortarion had serious loyalty/father issues that should not have extended to the other primarchs except for his desire to save them from the pain he felt at the betrayal of a false-god-as-father casting them to the void for some unattainable utopia. Morty is a good boy, he should have been a better brother in this scene.

[@emperorkraglint9792]

In a way it felt like Mortarian was stalling. Maybe testing to see if the Emperor would show

[@MehmetAytekin]

- It's you who are slave! * No u! - NO U! * Nuh-huh! - UH-HUH!

[@lorgaraurelian3429]

(с) Cartman. Emperor loves me more then Kyle xD

[@DL-yh9do]

I like this kinda back and forth, highlights that despite their immense power ultimately they are brothers reduced to simple children squabbling amongst themselves

[@conanholmes8620]

Hay dad he's copying me But dad he copied me first 😂

[@femasplasticcoffin4873]

American politics: the comment

[@Rawmel]

It also applies to Attack on Titan 👀

[@fumarc4501]

“Where was my brother who would weather any storm? Who’s body shrugged off poison? Who would never ever give in?” Oof

[@TRAVISHOWRYMUSIC]

he turned into a butterfly lol

[@gundam116]

FUmarc what’s oof mean?

[@randomcenturion7264]

@@gundam116 It's an expression employed when someone believes a verbal put down was so vicious, it was physically painful.

[@papanurgle8393]

@@randomcenturion7264 Or that caused severe cringe.

[@AA-bn7tf]

F

[@smug880]

damn, this made me think of how guilliman must've felt when he first got resurrected out of stasis. his father dead, all of his brothers (that in this video he stated he loved and respected) have either turned to chaos, killed, disappeared, or dormant, and seeing how the imperium has strayed far from how the emperor envisioned it. yet he suck it all up and launched another crusade instead, what a badass.

[@chipman1589]

Didn't help that he gave rogal a giant fuck you when he made the codex and almost started another civil war. He still owes father an apology

[@lordlucius1341]

Gulliman: (told everything bad happening in the imperium) Gulliman: sons I wanna go back into stasis.

[@scottdodge6979]

Couldn't stand big blue until recently. For all the reasons you described. Dude is a rock and he will not falter and I can respect that.

[@maksymilians931]

He does still have his "Ultra-Depression".

[@commanderdante3185]

@@chipman1589 Rogal failed... He couldn't protect the emperor. Gulliman had to fight his way back to Terra. Only to find his brother, uncle and father lost. Guilliman made sure no legion would be strong enough to defect again in numbers that could threaten the imperium. That plan worked perfectly for the past 11,000 years .

[@conagherdenson2194]

Emperor: MORTARION HAS BEEN A BAD BOY Mortarion: *PANICKED DAEMON NOISES*

[@kinagrill]

@Stygian HD Yeah... that's just all kinds of wrong. Mortarion was made into a Daemon Prince and he is a primarch. Hence a Daemon Primarch.

[@crimsondynamo615]

He shall be struck on the ass by a weapon that strikes even more fear than the emperor’s flaming sword, the emperor’s belt.

[@RoKKr023i]

@@crimsondynamo615 The emperor's belt has fragstorm launchers that fire wherever the belt strikes.

[@crimsondynamo615]

RoKKr023i it is said that Magnus has been spanked by it so hard and so many times his face looked pale for a time.

[@lilpretzel5629]

🤣🤣🤣

[@oualdo94]

"i love the emperor" Somewhere on Terra "....Wolf lord Rho we hardly know eachother...."

[@wolflordrho]

😂

[@Audiotrocious]

Am I the only one that pictures the “conversation” Papa Smurf had with Big E was snarky because of TTS?

[@edim108]

@@Audiotrocious That's the only way I'll accept that conversation 😂

[@sangralknight3031]

The emperor loves us all.

[@Troublechutor]

@@sangralknight3031... Right into the grave....

[@AdeptKing]

This made me think Guilliman needs a hug from Vulkan or Sanguinius.

[@bfahren]

If only Corvus Corax was able to stop Vulkan from petting deadly creatures...

[@lucareali7645]

I think gulliman will end like magnus without a spine

[@darrianweathington1923]

mmmm, a hug from sanguinius would only end in him being eaten... a hug from vulkan would be like a 25 year long hug.

[@sorcierenoire8651]

@@lucareali7645 sucks to be u

[@murderc27]

“I was a champion of common people. I abandoned them for a galactic despot.” I mean, he’s not really wrong.

[@bolikde9389]

Choosing Chaos is still not the better alternative...

[@Khornecussion]

@@bolikde9389 One can argue the Imperium is just another bad fate for the galaxy, though. It's another absolute. Absolutes are never perfect and the Imperium is an extremist mindset that has so many flaws that if you sit down and look at it for more than ten minutes you see how it tips like a card house so easily so often. ( The structure that is. The guardsmen, astartes, etc. are usually rather sturdy and loyal honestly. Especially guardsmen but people prefer to think of them as cowards. ) Honestly? Astartes are perversions of man and the Emperor uses them as tools. Not as " What mankind could be " ... if that's what mankind could be... unthinking, unfeeling killing machines, would you really want to live? Some mindless, interchangeable cog who's only defining trait might be the armor scheme, weapon specialization or environmental training they got? That's no future. It's just as bleak as the Chaos futures. Basically you don't win in 40K. I think the only way to win at this point is for the Emperor to somehow put the chaos gods down, the alien races to somehow disband the Imperium so it doesn't go on a witch hunt while letting it retain the swathes of territory it stole from the aliens... then they'd just get to have fun fighting orcs for the rest of it's years, being all the Astro-militarum really has to oppose.

[@scottdodge6979]

@@Khornecussion mankind perverted the Emperor's original view. The fate the galaxy is bound to isn't the Emperor's fault. That was set in stone pre 30k

[@zoltanz288]

The Imperium is humanity's only chance of survival tho. Its not like anyone had any better ideas.

[@zoltanz288]

@Demiclea the Tau have some interesting choices to make if they plan on surviving for much longer.

[@Sharnelgon]

So this is basically: *both of them see each other* Mortarion: Bruh Guilliman: You gotta be shitting me bruh

[@trolldrool]

The primarchs are truly far beyond any human. And just as their feats and glories are far beyond anything a normal human could accomplish, the same is true for their flaws. They may try to act with moderation, but nothing they do could ever truly be so. They are both the greatest aspects of humanity and the worst taken to an extreme. When they succeed, their ascension is absolute. And when they fail, their fall is fathomless.

[@henrikandreason7261]

True. The primarchs are very much like the eldar races are as a whole in that aspect.

[@solusnostre7399]

The bigger they are the harder they fall

[@PlagueRunner]

Far beyond humans except couldn't do anything without them

[@bobloerakker7010]

Well said

[@LL-bh6bt]

Twice the pride, double the fall

[@NewGuy2534]

I swear this is now “DaddyIssues 40K.”

[@emiliooconnor429]

Hasn't it always been?

[@NewGuy2534]

Up top. 🙌

[@joevidya]

Now?

[@ObjectiveMedia]

Not sure what you mean by “daddy issues” but Its 30K not 40K and the sons betraying their father is literally what the Horus heresy is all about. If you don’t like it read 40K instead

[@iainmilner507]

Critical Thinker this was 40k, it was from the book Dark Imperium.

[@PheonixRising2988]

I really think this is what Roboute Guilliman wanted to say, but was too overwhelmed to say in the moment. Just a hunch based on the narration given. Mortarion: Anwser me this Roboute. Did Father ever love us? Roboute: I don't know, but I loved you, I depended on you, I would have gladly died by your side. As a brother I would have done anything for you, but you betrayed me and broke my heart.

[@northernnaysayer1240]

Damn, that hit me in the feels!

[@jacobschmidt8539]

I honestly wonder how certain traitor primarchs would react to hearing Guilliman saying that, especially Lorgar who thought Guilliman always hated him

[@raygunreagan2274]

Sounds like obi and ani

[@magicalmagicmagician5223]

@@raygunreagan2274 Guilliman: You were the chosen one Mortarion! You were supposed to bring order to the Galaxy! Not cast it into Chaos!

[@raygunreagan2274]

@@magicalmagicmagician5223 brilliant

[@unbreakablelag]

“Of all the enemies of man kind, stagnation has harmed us the most.” - *Redacted*

[@Dadecorban]

TBF most of the primarchs were grown men before they met their father, living lives of conflict and struggle. How do you step into that as a father? The loss of the primarch incubation pods was a true victory for Chaos.

[@Horesmi]

Except Horus. The important one.

[@Dadecorban]

@@Horesmi Yes the important one who turned evil was also the one that spent the most personal time with his father. Maybe the connection is inverse of what I implied.

[@bobloerakker7010]

Very true.

[@NKWittmann]

Every primarch has had a foster father, they don't have daddy issues or maybe seen through the look of a twelve years old reading the books, the Emperor doesn't think of the primarchs as his sons and they barely call him father out of convenience much like imperial spaces marines call their primarch father

[@NKWittmann]

It might be akin to a creator-creation relation, certainly never been a junior-daddy relationship. If you read HH that way it's no surprise you think it's shit writing

[@scribe620]

The Emperor appears- "ahhh my son, perhaps I treated you too harshly."

[@randomcenturion7264]

Sad thing is, I'm not sure if Thanos was a better or worse father-figure than The Emperor.

[@AuramiteEX]

The final chapters of Plague War are some of the best 40k fiction out there.

[@Kainlarsen]

I wonder when Guilliman and Lorgar will face off once again? Calth still demands vengeance.

[@AdeptKing]

I think Lorgar would run at the mere sight of him. When they fought on Calth he literally just threw Angron at him and watched.

[@LordFhalkyn]

Fulgrim vs Guilliman round 2?

[@em4rtzz]

Lorgar is too busy running from Corax

[@Archon3960]

*_YES!_*

[@mocca3633]

lol, i bet Corax will got Lorgar first.

[@alanaspinall7147]

I love Guilliman, There something so human about him, Also in these new books you can also get a feel for his loneliness

[@Dadecorban]

Although this may just be an artifact of the writing rather than the original intent of GW but each of the Primarchs seems to echo some of the traits of the father. Many people feel Guilliman is the least interesting of the Primarchs. Sanguinius had the nobility of the Emperor for instance. Guilliman seems to be the civilization builder...love for humanity borne out through the handwork of millennia. To me this is the greatest gift, and makes him more like the Emperor than any of the other primarchs. It's also where Guilliman's loyalty comes from for they both share the goals (as far as we can determine the Emperor's goals). Guilliman can have loyalty and still kick his own ball down the court. It's a fortunate convergence. He's also the most humble of the Primarchs (perhaps? I'm not that well-read) which is also a trait of the Emperor (some may argue differently, but the Emperor we know is a very humble creature, or feigns it, just imagine what he would be like if he was not) which is perhaps one of the most important traits a demi-god facing the enticements from Hell might need. In fact I would say that all of the other traits of the Emperor are just emergent phenomena, and the humble civilization builder is the core of who the Emperor is. I think we will see Guilliman and the Emperor both realizing this and they will become the closest example of the father-son relationship between him and a primarch since Horus. Guilliman will be the tool that the Emperor needed, whether he knew it or not. Additionally, I think the Emperor failed to tell his children his name simply because his name quit having any meaning. When you lived for so many millennia as different people and under different names living different lives from age to age your birth name has little meaning. "The Emperor" is who he is, and his birth name is just fanciful happenstance. Just a few thoughts for someone else who appreciates Guilliman.

[@L0stEngineer]

@@Dadecorban "That which doesn't kill me, ... isn't trying hard enough". -R. Guilliman I think Guilliman is the pure manifestation of the emperor's sense of righteous indignation.

[@pdxholmes]

I agree. People find him boring because he’s not super edgy and grim dark, but he is the most human of the Primarchs. He’s my favorite character in 40K and his return is entirely why I ended up building an Ultramarines army for 8th ed. Guilliman is great.

[@alanaspinall7147]

I think he very human because unlike his brothers he had not only a step father, but also a mother figure as well,

[@AdeptKing]

It's a little funny how people say he's boring but if this was real I think we would want someone stern and unyielding in charge not edgy and prone for outbursts. Guilliman's just the guy who wants to get stuff done as efficiently as possible so I can see why he comes off as boring or distasteful. He probably appears like he looks down on everyone.

[@vasdklwje]

I just finished this book on Audible. Holy crap the characterization of Guilliman is exactly what was needed to add depth to the Ultramarines. Can’t wait for book 3.

[@terrynicholsjr.3342]

What book was this?

[@RavenNest23]

@@terrynicholsjr.3342 Dark Imperium book 2

[@blinkingred]

we need more confrontations between primarchs in the 40k setting. I know its suppose to be grimdark and the primarchs lost but they represent the most interesting parts of the lore and we need them to take front stage.

[@LordFhalkyn]

They're coming back. One by one...

[@Tongzhi_BellaLabDog1995]

"Did our father love us?" "I don't know, but I loved you. I loved all my brothers and when you turned to the Dark Gods it broke my heart. I would gladly accept death if it meant that the brothers I cared about would never have turned down the path of damnation."

[@guardsmengunner]

Mortarion is by far one of my favorite Primarchs, I only hope that he can be forgiven in the end, like Horus before the Emperor ended him.

[@kristianferencik8685]

I want to see the emporer get dragged into the warp, trapped while his sons put him in his place

[@ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo]

To be forgiven, you have to have done something wrong.

[@AzraelSoulHunter]

What Mortarion said about Emperor and how terrible father he was for Primarchs mean so much more when you consider the fact that Mortarion gave himself up to Nurgle to save his sons from perpetual pain caused by Typhus and diseases of Nurgle. Mortarion acted that day more as a father than Emperor would ever do. I think he is more angry at the fact that Emperor would never sacrifice himself for them as Mortarion did for his sons.

[@marinesinspace6253]

Mortarion's whinging even bores great unclean ones.

[@Buhlmanzky]

@@marinesinspace6253 Well with stuff happening that would kill every one of us thousands of times then i think he is allowed to do so.

[@4LordaeronGLHF]

You can't really compare them like that tho, can you? The emperors subjects was never gripped in perpetual pain, so it's hypothetical to suggest the emperor would never do the same. Or should the emperor give up his life to save a single legion from a terrible fate?

[@AdeptKing]

I mean he sort of did. He wouldn't kill Horus until Sanguinius got killed as far as we know anyway. Let's hope that's the reason.

[@blinkingred]

Because the emperor holds himself responsible for far more than his sons. He lives in eternal torture for 10k years to keep humanity afloat. Even one life of a primarch isnt worth all the souls of humanity.

[@ironstarofmordian7098]

Guilliman respected Alpharius? I call bullshiiiiiiiiiii...it.

[@wolflordrho]

That's certainly not what Dorn thought Guilliman thought of him!

[@AdeptKing]

They're brothers so I guess he respected that much at least.

[@ghostjager8190]

To me Guilleman always seemed to be the most balanced minded to a degree when it came to his Brothers not as quick to judge unlike when Horus first met Russ.

[@ironstarofmordian7098]

@@wolflordrho congratulations on your channel growth. Last time I checked, 2 or three days ago, you had about 1.5k subs.

[@brandongreenhough9379]

Its possible he lied for rhetorical effect

[@awylh]

I've got to say, Mortarion's rants in this conversation made me appreciate him a bit more. And Guilliman's longing for the brother he knew... it builds him too. A great, great scene.

[@andromedafan]

The Emperor's Sword was in Cawl's possession and was in Guilliman's hand the second he was restored to life and he used it to kill the many chaos marines that despoiled the temple of Correction/Shrine of the Primarch, that were there to stop his resurrection.

[@Kaiserbill2]

V

[@wanttogetfood]

Roboute seems more depressed that TTS Papa Smurf

[@jbardouc808]

Ever since he was reawoken and met the Emperor, he hasnt been himself in many ways

[@lucareali7645]

We all the shit he must suffer is a miracle he became a khorne berserker

[@darrianweathington1923]

well, hes kinda forced to work with their nearly immortal enemies, {Eldar} he was almost killed by his evil snake daemon brother {Fulgrim} who cheated with poisoned swords that still attack his body to this day, The emperor is a un-undead skeleton on a decaying throne, and he is now the commander and chief of billions of humans across the galaxy who believes the Emperor is a God even though its the very thing the Emperor spent thousands of years to turn humanity against the gods to defeat chaos. And on top of that he is in a unending war against daemons, chaos marines, other humans, million of tyranids, every Alien possible and even his own brothers... *no shit hes depressed!*

[@philiproe1661]

@@darrianweathington1923 Truly only a Primarch or greater could keep going in such a hopeless situation in which there is only war.

[@inkedseahear]

Ultraissues require ultrasolutions

[@ShockedT]

I thought Mortarion hated that that himself and his legion fell to chaos. Didn't he always hate magic and the warp?

[@ianlong1437]

He did but they basically dumped all that and made him like any other traitor primarch as a little whiney daddy issues baby. Mortarion struggling with what he was forced to become and what he was would have been better

[@AdeptKing]

I think he wanted to justify what he had done and become. Lorgar and Alpharius were like that too.

[@Echelon030]

@@AdeptKing At least Lorgar had the beginning of a point. Alpharius was shown spoopy visions by the Cabal (i.e. xenos with a very keen interest in stopping the Great Crusade before it demolished them) and he swallowed everything he was given without questioning it at all. That great master of deception.

[@drbeard4505]

i mean it's been ten thousand years of the nightmare love-bomb that is the cult of Nurgle. I wouldn't be surprised of Mortarion'd learned some of the talking points by now at least.

[@KaiserAfini]

10 000 years in the Warp must be akin to being immersed in a cult. His brainwashing must have been deep.

[@Practical-Theoretical]

Guilliman was one of if not the only Primarch who saw a future for his bothers and their sons after the crusade was over. He was always looking out for everyone and everything. For that I will always love and respect him. What ever path this new life he’s been reborn into takes him... We march for humanity, and we shall know no fear.

[@LordCommander-ui2fw]

Yep. He even made a round table on Macragge for all of the Primarchs and their Father for when the Crusade was done, setting up seats in honor of the Lost Primarchs and leaving the thrones and banners of the Traitors in place even after their betrayal. For when the war was done, and they could all sit together to talk of empire.

[@keatonreynolds4702]

If you look at the Iron Hands short stories. Ferrus actually dreamed of his legion becoming simple farmers and protectors fully embracing the beauty and strength of the human spirit and body

[@StickWithTrigger]

The fact this all happened because they couldn’t be a family makes me really sad

[@randomcenturion7264]

There was a chance, long ago. But the Chaos Gods and the Emperor killed any chance of them being a real family long ago.

[@insanemang9983]

What if the emporer is able to listen through the sword into what was happening with guilliman the whole time and heard every word of what mortarian said.

[@Kareszkoma]

He is a warp god kinda.. I think he knows either way. Long before Magnus was found, he and Emps talked through psychic means. Not sure how is their relationship now, but I think they can still flip off each other whenever they want to. The only Primarch that remained kind of "normal" in this sense - not a warp ghost - is Guiliman. The Emps is kind of a god now.

[@randomizedrandomizer2533]

(hears morty about to state his true plans) Fuck this shit I'm goin in!

[@vincentfox4929]

Children of the omnissiah? I see youre a man of culture as well.

[@darkhighwayman1757]

Boys just wanted Dad's attention

[@darrianweathington1923]

even though where test tube babies made for only war...

[@darkhighwayman1757]

Doesn't matter if they were created in a lab by Big E and Malcador...still human at their cores and wanted approval.

[@viewernewest]

How deliciously ironic would it have been if Guilliman had been saved by a death guard primaris chapter. Openly rejecting their gene father in an act of defiance and loyalty to the Imperium.

[@willtiffany5409]

Wait, did they even make Primaris Marines from the Chaos Legions? I thought Guilliman forbade it.

[@craigbeard4614]

Gipper 1911 he did.

[@gryphon_Space]

But cawl gives zero fucks

[@stevensanders6696]

@@willtiffany5409 Cawl did make them, as well as primaris made from the gene seed of the lost primarchs, but Guilliman forbade them being activated. If Cawl listened? Who's to say

[@jonnyone-truck2460]

And the cat's in the cradle with a silver spoon Little boy blue and the man in the moon... The Horus Heresy was a damn Cat Stevens song!!???

[@NZTROLN]

Harry Chapin sang that song 😂

[@Troublechutor]

Its just poorly written by atheists.

[@HTMR-de8gz]

It's sad the emperor only loved the idea of humanity, not the practice.

[@Troublechutor]

How can you empathize with a thing you have nothing in common with?

[@chrisroberts7000]

Bad things can happen when ideals become more important than the people said ideals are supposed to serve/uplift. Just look how the French Revolution turned, little by little, into the Reign of Terror.

[@NotSoSerious69420]

@@chrisroberts7000 all rebels are closeted aristocrats.

[@mobiushelldoctor1423]

@@Troublechutor I like tree

[@nightlock826]

Well how far mortarion fell, he used to be abhorred to weakness and wouldn’t have bounded Guliman and instead just fought him to prove he is above his loyalist brother

[@papanurgle8393]

It's called being practical ;)

[@Troublechutor]

Guliman was never faced with mortrion's choice. Any primarch that wasn't a hyper-zelot would have spared their chapter over meaningless destruction. Even in the early editions of 40k, SM's know their worth, and do not needlessly sacrifice themselves in futile combat. Mortarion is, if nothing else, a better exemplar of what the emperor professes to be, than any other primarch.

[@TheSeanoops]

You can practically see the daddy issues dripping from Mortarion’s words.

[@kimbartlett9527]

"Now you will face me, and collect the wages of treachery!"

[@nicholascastellano5909]

Of the dozens of 40k channels, this is simultaneously one of the smallest and one of the best. Keep it up man, your doing great work.

[@noman8412]

Through faith and will, humanity will achieve the galaxy the Emperor planned for us. The Emperor protects his faithful.

[@richardvaldes3959]

You should read some of the Konrad Curz meetings with Rogal from 30k

[@bluebuda8170]

Richard Valdes - Rasmussen. I see your name and Damian X on almost every 40K video that I watch. Glad to see I'm not the only one taking in everything I can

[@wolflordrho]

a future upload for sure!

[@darrianweathington1923]

Curze= something, something, something *DARKSIDE* something, something, something *BECAUSE IM BATMAN* Dorn= *NO!*

[@Audiotrocious]

Konrad Curze knew what would happen, seeing the Emperor as a dead thing raised as a god. I for one want more information about Fulgrim teaching Curze as Fulgrim was the closest to Curze

[@mickeyquintana8473]

The audio books about Curz are awesome.

[@bluebuda8170]

please keep doing these videos they're some of my favorite things going on right now on KZbin

[@wolflordrho]

thanks man, will do!

[@scpfoundationagentsmith9301]

He protect He defend But most importantly he doesnt love back: the emperah

[@anastasiosgkotzamanis5277]

The primarchs were brothers, brothers argue and fight but, in the end, they can come together. It's ironic, then, that Russ and Johnson came the closest to being true brothers by fighting each other. And only Russ realized the truth of it and started laughing.

[@Greatkingrat88]

On the point of wanting fatherly affection, and the emperor's handling of his sons: it's no accident that the primarchs with serious issues were the first to fall. Lorgar with his pathological need for religious worship, Horus with the weight of responsibility and a distant, uncaring father, Mortarion with his bitterness, Fulgrim with his insecurities, Angron... well, he's just a mess. But the emperor is to blame for most of this- he left his sons unaware of and vulnerable to the threat of chaos, and treated his sons more like tools than his kin, never caring to give them the time of day. If he'd been more charismatic, if he'd shown more care, he would have inspired much more loyalty. This is the problem with feudalism- a lord's power is only as strong as that of his vassals, and if his vassals are unhappy with their lord's ruling, they may rebel. And it's not like the issues with empy all came down to daddy issues. Jaghatai Khan, for example, resented his father because he was well aware of the warp and its dangers, and knew that the imperium was built on a lie from the get-go; he valued truth and freedom and found neither in the tyrannical imperium.

[@6dragondaddy913]

The fact that you forgot to mention Perterabo caused him to go smash his workshop again and sulk for a week... Good job...

[@Archon3960]

What about Mortarion, Magnus, Konrad, Guilliman and Corax?

[@Greatkingrat88]

@@Archon3960 Magnus more than anything is Empy's fault. He believed in the enlightenment dogma and was at once super powerful and also completely unaware of the real dangers of psykerhood. Konrad was almost as bad as Angron- who in their right mind gives a homicidal psychopath a legion of super soldiers?

[@Troublechutor]

The emperor was no fool, he would have known some would fall. Where his arrogance kicked in was thinking he could contain the damage. I think Horus, in particular, really undermined his confidence for the first time ... ever?

[@Archon3960]

@@Troublechutor He _was_ kind of a crappy dad when you think about it.

[@Mandalore_the_hunter]

I thought that mortarins scyth silence was still clean and shiny or was that just for some time after the heresy?

[@void735]

Its clean compared too nurgle standards. One sign of The fact that Mortarion never gave hes soul too become a Deamon Prince.

[@ImperialKnight770]

Wonder how Mortarion would react to being on the pointed end of his fathers sword. Would he beg his brother to spare him or would he mock Guilliman for being too hesitant to deal the killing blow?

[@mobiushelldoctor1423]

one of his personality trait is his stubbornness, he'll probably died before considering the idea of possibly asking for forgiveness

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

@@mobiushelldoctor1423 if anything, his inner self hatred for what he's become might long for such an end

[@tediousgeorge7159]

I read a theory that said ol' Emps imbued the primarchs with his emotions, literally. After he made them, he no longer felt some emotions, and that's why he was so cold and clinical. That could explain why he was such a stuck up turd of a father. Not that that would excuse calling your sons by their number rather than name, or to view them as a (possibly failed) experiment.

[@claydud271]

Johan Vedefors yea but he do isn’t see them as his sons just weapons he created they labeled him father where as he was just their creator and they his tools,the primarchs are all emotional lil bitches

[@Blazimirus]

To be fair more than half of them were failures. Don't forget that Emps also has his own biological children, so the primarchs were failed genetic experiments to him. As for the emotions part, nah... You can't just transfer your emotions to someone else and not have them yourself anymore.

[@Nathren]

@@Blazimirus You also can't summon lightning bolts with your brain or survive for 10 000 years on a mechanical throne, but hey, it's 40k.

[@dole-brentbayalas854]

@@claydud271 LOL someone read the Master of Mankind. But I totally disagree with such an Emperific perception

[@claydud271]

@@dole-brentbayalas854 i mean how can you. he even says as much when his looking at angrons brain. he doesnt give a shit its like any general in history he wants his commanders to feel just enough love to do what he wants for his objectives. that said i dont think his the bad guy at all

[@Bananaskin101]

I have two thoughts about this. 1) The Emperor's initial plan of countering Chaos powers by starving them of their worship failed 2) He discovered whilst on the Golden Throne he could convert the energy of his worship into a power to counter the warp. My reasoning being he did not show this kind of power when he defended the Webway gate on Terra and in his confrontation with Horus. Also in the latest Psychic Awakening series the miracles of the Emperor are not affected by Blackstone which does nullify Chaos energies.

[@epyon3650]

The emperor protets

[@scpfoundationagentsmith9301]

But he doesn't love

[@Archon3960]

Was it the Emperor on Terra? Or did the Imperium prayed to _something else_ for 10 000 years? :)

[@stuartlaws9977]

@@Archon3960 Dude I always wondered what the difference between "perpetuals live forever" and "massively enhanced psychic power on a galactic scale" was. Like if the emperor is some sort of c'tan shard using humanity for the purpose of apotheosis... Or he has tapped into a power somehow connected to the webway/labyrinth dimension that can oppose chaos... We may never know

[@captainviktorgrim261]

Sanguinous and The Emperor protects

[@Practical-Theoretical]

CRETACIA!!!!!

[@ekscalybur]

Mortarian: "All secrets might be known within the Warp" *Tzeentch pops in* "About that last bit you just said....."

[@schopenhauerassplower4223]

As someone who’s only really into the Horus Heresy I’m loving the return of the Primarchs

[@SomeKindOfCyborg]

This is one of the most poetic interactions in all of 40K. So beautifully written, it really makes me feel something.

[@White0ni]

I love the way the author toys with the reader, often times people want answers but sometimes a deeper side of us wants mystery. The fact that mortarian doesn't know what Robert knows and Robert doesn't know what mortarian knows is only heightened by the fact that we don't know either.

[@c.h.1839]

TTS emperor: i saved your planet papasmurf

[@MaxYoung-Maxinfet]

When you were referring to the emperor interacting with the battle telepathically from the golden throne it could be that his sword makes this much easier or after having the sword with him for 10,000 years it has gained more of his essence. Of course that is all speculation thought it was worth mentioning given how little we know of how the emperor sword works.

[@mikediamond1234]

God GW has done a FANTASTIC job with the daemon primarchs, magnus and mortarion have been given absolute justice and I think they are easily the best representations of these characters

[@jeanvagin2255]

Are you serious about the case of magnus or is it a joke ?

[@mikediamond1234]

Louis Le blanc they have done a fine job With magnus, he is not the weak innocent primarch everyone thinks he is, his flaw has always been arrogance. He is pure evil, a true villan, through and through, did it start out that way? No. It didn’t, but he let himself become consumed with power, knowlage, arrogance, and as a result his fate was decided.

[@MildlyCreativee]

@digital communist Its funny to be honest. The shards of Magnus made some better charachters than some of the fucking primaechs

[@GlamdringandOrcrist]

This is why Mortarion is my favorite Traitor Primarch & Guilliman is my second favorite loyalist Primarch

[@karlfranz310]

Who is your favorite loyalist?

[@GlamdringandOrcrist]

Karl Franz Lion El’Johnson

[@karlfranz310]

@@GlamdringandOrcrist the lion is awesome

[@GlamdringandOrcrist]

Karl Franz Respect the Emperor’s firstborn, all I’m saying hehe

[@Troublechutor]

Cool, you just got your labels backwards... Nurgle forgives.

[@systemhalodark]

Morty's daddy issues made him seek out new adventures in the other dimensions with his new grandpa, Nurgle-Rick.

[@darthbane1629]

And always it's A Honor to Watch , This Couple of Times, Better Than Anything Else, Keep them coming 😀 ,Ave Imperator and You 😁😁 !!!!.

[@ZacharyWhittall]

Writing was gold! Always a nice change from a universe fiction of bloody war being turned into a conversation of an exchange of ideas and philosophy

[@Sarki101]

what if the golden kid is the first appearance of the star child? would be fitting cosidering the emotional speech and the theory that the emperor cast away his humanity when killing horus and from that power the star child was created.

[@inquisitorkrieger8171]

Kind of how I feel with my siblings. They basically all turned to chaos I'm just like, wtf

[@777CDH]

Incredible classic story... two brothers and how they felt about him and their relationship to him so differently.

[@davidlewis9346]

Dude you are owning these videos. Like a doctor! Keep it up Teddy Brosevelt these are amazing.

[@mosesmarlboro5401]

Hey man, I love your channel. The way you cover all of the most important moments between the Primarchs, malcador, the Emperor, etc is fantastic. I just have one quick request: in your video description, could you tell us which novel the passages are from? Thanks man. Keep up the good work.

[@GI_D204]

Roboute Guilliman reborn true incarnation of Big E! In the end the Emperor protects, so it is his will, that he wears the sword. Even the Eldar where stunned by the power of Guilliman.

[@ThatCampingOwl]

I love your videos, thank you for making them!

[@camiloparada9529]

There are so many moments in the horus heresy that i wish you would cover, thank you for these videos man

[@MG-yc6jr]

Good work bro, thanks for the upload 🙂

[@wolflordrho]

Thanks!

[@nibler887]

You left out my favorite part when the custodes looked at the girls eyes and sad something like 'my emperor?'. I had a tear in the corner of my eye. Maybe it was the son shining through the window though...

[@jajordan2106]

I had a similar moment when I was listening to Rho talk about the events of clone Lord and the reactions that the clone of Fulgrim got from others.

[@alexandermagel9015]

Awsome, great video.

[@davidmacias1270]

Excellent Rho!!!!

[@mikevasquez1103]

Guilliman has gotten a lot more interesting.

[@alanaspinall7147]

I think he's always been intreasting up close, but it was untill the HH that we got to see how truly human he was

[@mikevasquez1103]

@@alanaspinall7147 I agree, I always thought he was a good character, but now he's better.🐼

[@Troublechutor]

If only Morty had been all "go ahead and check your Codex to see if this is a good time to parlay..."

[@the_sigil4340]

Mortarion needs a hug

[@Troublechutor]

Morty is a good boy, he's got lots of hugs since he came home. Morty just need to stick to the fkn script though... this is just embarrassing.

[@ianbanigan3299]

Awesome, loved it!!!

[@mortemapparatus4088]

I'm happy to have found your channel, Rho. Got another sub added to your tally.

[@forthencho6268]

you should do Roboutte Guilliman vs Mangnus the Red

[@wolflordrho]

I definitely will!

[@decimus7781]

A great one is the battle on Fenris, where Bjorn goes toe to toe with Magnus, Krom gets blasted just before handing the spear of Russ. And Logan Grimnar basically skewers Magnus with it and is then banished. It'll be a while before Magnus licks his wounds after that one!

[@user-xs2nt1iq8g]

@@decimus7781 He fought an avatar of magnus though, Not Magnus himself, And Bjorn knows it, Had he done. Magnus would of blinked him out of existence with a chuckle. Magnus wasnt there himself

[@rabbitsnraygunswithgregsch7648]

Subbed! This is great.

[@wolflordrho]

Thanks for the sub!

[@SpanishDio]

Love your videos Brother keep it up with the great work!

[@optimistprime332]

Great video!

[@darthgorthaur258]

That is an amazing image of Mortarion with his wings an sycth so so cool. Although I think I heard a line that WLR read that describes Mortarion wings as insect wings...."his insect wings flapped...blah blah blah..." That's an odd way of putting it at the very least.

[@daltonbalusek]

I'm relatively new to Warhammer 40k but I love the lore. Also love the Death Guard and Mortarion. I would have loved to see what would have happened if they never turned to chaos due the Typhus treachery. Or if there was any way that Mortarion could return to the light of the Imperium, though highly unlikely.

[@bryanbarcelo5440]

"Typhus Treachery", that's a clever one, actually. like "Horus Heresy"

[@daltonbalusek]

@@bryanbarcelo5440 You know, I didn't even mean to do it like that lol

[@Jumezland]

Look up the roboutian heresy, it's fan fiction but I still think it's cool, there is a Dorn heresy one aswell

[@daltonbalusek]

@justin leckey that's cool to see another think that, most from what I seen is that most believe Magnus would be the one to turn as he wasn't really a traitor in the heresy until Leman attacked him.

[@void735]

@justin leckey Mortarion never gave his soul to nurgle. If I recall coreclly. Hes the only traitor primark that rejected Deamon princehood. If he could find Aisha he could theoretcly free himself and hes sons from Nugrles plauges.

[@KrisToCool]

I alway come back to classic Rho!

[@robvickrey07]

Great video Rho, I just recently listened to this audio book. Guy Haley is an amazing writer. I didn't think anyone could rival Dan Abnett but Guy is amazing. Listening to Belasarius Cawl The Great Work now :)

[@meanderingshade]

I am so far behind on current lore and novels, but your videos at least keep my head above water so I have a general idea of what's been going on. Thanks for all the great work :)

[@wolflordrho]

Thank you 😊

[@jeanpaulantoine1206]

“I will take your kingdom for my own,” I don’t know a lot about Mortarion, but I wouldn’t have figured him as the type to want a empire. Or as the type who would rather be “the champion of the common folk.”

[@zarhun7]

Subscribed well done love the narration

[@faridability7611]

That was epic !!!

[@geiger987654321]

Keep this up bro!!

[@wolflordrho]

Will do! Thank you

[@geiger987654321]

@@wolflordrho if possible, when you find time in the future look into a analysis on the alpharius and Dorn fight? Ik it is 30k but i'm sure the Dorn fan boys would love that.

[@wolflordrho]

I'll add that to the list!

[@chrisr4091]

Love warhammer lore. I enjoy your commentary and reviews. Keep it up

[@wolflordrho]

Thanks for the support!

[@Cynocehali]

New subber here! Great channel blown away from the narration. Praise thy Emperor!

[@oatlord]

I like trying to find my comments on my third and fourth rewatches of your material.

[@garrettfoster108]

"He trusted in the defense of Maccaragge in Marneus Calgar..." *Swarmlord laughing in the distance*

[@RoosterCogburnPhD]

Mortarian sounds like he's trying to convince himself

[@economicrecession]

He is, because he has no one to follow, no one to believe into. His whole fight for Barbarus, which he spent most of his life preparing himself for was ridiculed and looked down at by his father, then he realises that the Emperor himself was using the warp constantly (since his time on Barbarus sorcery became somewhat of a nightmare for Mortarion, considering all the necromants and their toys), then his own first captain betrays him and his whole legion, makes them suffer and leaves Mortarion with no choice than to subject to Nurgle. Keeping all of this in mind, yeah, he definitely needs somethinng to believe into

[@sirmount2636]

@@economicrecession All the Traitor Primarchs regret what they’ve done & are filled with immense guilt & suffering.

[@tunguskalumberjack9987]

I agree- that was a hard-hitting truth bomb that Guilliman lit, there- the “where was my brother who...” part. I really enjoyed that. I don’t enjoy about 90% of the new 40K lore- I am a Heresy-era purist- but at some point, I have to look past 30K into 40K, and when I do, it’s parts like that one that give me hope. Thanks for the great video as usual, Wolf Lord Rho.

[@luismartinezsanchez2887]

even if i will buy them i enjoy your talks so much they make me think a lot