Lol Siousxsie is a tough lady. I'm glad Robert returned to The Cure though and gave us so many amazing albums. Thanks for the great video, very informative!
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching - really appreciate. She is indeed a tough cookie 🍪
@seanp8220 Жыл бұрын
@@rocdocs I really wish she did another solo album, coz it's been a heck of a long time since Manta Ray. We NEED Siouxise back!
@deaddoll1361 Жыл бұрын
@@seanp8220 She's 66 years old, can't you just enjoy what she's done without asking for more?
@jungatheart6359 Жыл бұрын
I once saw her perform with her leg in a plaster cast at a Banshees gig in Cardiff, apparently after falling off the stage at an earlier concert on the tour. I heard some people who were standing at the back complaining afterwards that they couldn't see her and asking why she wasn't galloping round the stage as usual. Clearly it didn't affect the intensity of her vocals at all.
@zimriel11 ай бұрын
@@jungatheart6359 reminds me of Crystal Castles. Alice Glass is a force of nature. And of course there was always Tina, but it wasn't her fault she had that broken arm . . .
@lisaparkhill682 Жыл бұрын
Undying respect and admiration for Robert Smith and The Cure. Love, Always ✨❤️✨
@highwayman1218 Жыл бұрын
These two legends are out there killing it on tour on their own gigs... Imaging seeing these two headlining together! Thatd be such a great show, Id love to see.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
THat would be an amazing show!!
@innagotavita6117 Жыл бұрын
Trying to make that happen …it’s up to souxie I think more than rob
@highwayman1218 Жыл бұрын
@@innagotavita6117 Thats too bad.... My guess she knows if she jumps on Robs gig, theres probably a lot of extra shows she will have to do. She may not be ok with that.
@a.nevillechamberlain7612 Жыл бұрын
I saw Robert Smith play with Siouxsie in NYC, beacon theater show, I was shocked when the audience didn’t really give Robert his due respect as a member of the Cure, and played on stage with the Banshees. I was just amazed to see the cure front man joining with Siouxsie Sioux, great show. I wished there was a live recording of the show…, any bootlegs?
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
There are videos around, but most of the ones I have seen of Robert w the Banshees are either TV appearances or from Nocturne video. You can find em on youtube pretty easily. Thanks for watching and commenting-
@unknown-ub9rz11 ай бұрын
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@Gunnery692467 ай бұрын
There's a video on KZbin of Robert Smith playing guitar for the song _Love in a void_ on stage with them back in 1979.
@MrMichaelAndrews Жыл бұрын
They say live music is a dying culture.. there's got to be something to come along and blow us all away again, get people super hyper excited, like Elvis or the Beatles... It's just a matter of time and circumstances I believe. I hope it happens soon. Have a great day.
@MrMichaelAndrews Жыл бұрын
By "they" i mean the voices in my head. No credit here, all debit.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Hahahha ! Thanks! Great comment
@seanp8220 Жыл бұрын
If the musicians keep dying it won't anyway.
@sexobscura Жыл бұрын
If it does happen it WON'T be through MUSIC because it's basically 'flogging a dead horse'. Some other, NEWER medium will do it. Stop looking in the WRONG places
@wgarcia2001 Жыл бұрын
I just saw the cure in nyc and I can tell you live music isn't going anywhere every show they've played has been sold out here in thr us
@user-lb9gz7db1i7 күн бұрын
Love Siouxie Sioux! Great, unique voice. Great stage presence. I kived in LA for some year & was invited to their show by a lical promoter, wires got crossed missed it. Would have been back stage, after gatherings. To this day when I listen to them I think of that missed opportunity! 😭
@jamesl6670 Жыл бұрын
Met Robert in " The Gay Traitor" bar in the Hacienda - he put me and my mate on the guest list to see the Banshees at the Apollo the following night. He was stand in guitarist. I had the audacity to say the Cure were second best band I the world next to Joy Division. Suppose alcohol can make you cheeky 😂 top bloke - would love to meet him again someday to thank him personally.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Well thats amazing. Did he laugh at the Joy Division comment?
@jamesl6670 Жыл бұрын
@rocdocs Not as I remember- it was a long time ago. I remember saying to him I bet you hate people like me bothering you - he said its quite the opposite as people won't normally approach me ! After seeing a few of his interviews over the years he does come across as a special guy.As I said would love to meet him again one day to say a personel thank you.
@armandourso1526 Жыл бұрын
I’m from Brazil. I just love The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees and The Glove. Can you believe ? Hugs from Brazil 🎉
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
ROCK ON BRAZIL!!! Thank you for stopping by and taking the time to say hello!
@johnnyhock Жыл бұрын
Siouxsie went through a lot of guitarists, John McGeoch, John Valentine Corruthers & Robert smith to name just three….. When Smith “guested” for tours and studio time, she playfully nick named him “the pop star” as he had had several chart hits already with The Cure
@Kkidzz Жыл бұрын
Severin and Smith's 'The Glove' album is absolutely wonderful.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
I agree. THats one of the reasons I wanted to make this video... I love that album, AND Nocturne, and Hyeana... I had to find a way to talk about all of them and Robert The Banshee was the perfect thread connecting everything. Well, that and LSD.
@Des7iny7 Жыл бұрын
Remember the track ‘orgy’? I still love that🩵
@katebeck1788 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant album !!😊
@smelltheglove2038 Жыл бұрын
It’s fantastic
@carbonidsolo5479 Жыл бұрын
I agree as well! Their music supports me through my Life since the day I found it! Its like a trip through Life. Jeanette Landray did a great job singing on this. I wished they did more together...
@thomaswalter5312 Жыл бұрын
Siouxsie sang back up on The Cure’s Jumping Someone Else Train b-side I’m Cold.
@seanp8220 Жыл бұрын
Was it the case that Robert was inspired by Siouxsie first? I bet it was, with B sides like Eve White/Eve Black I can just see a Faith era Robert being blown away listening to that and thinking "Right I'm gonna make an album like that!"
@voodoodrew23 Жыл бұрын
Robert Smith has mentioned in a few interviews that he was a huge fan of The Banshees' b-sides
@rocdocs2 ай бұрын
Thank you for this factoid, which I did NOT know!
@Colin-ro6lh23 күн бұрын
Not true she never did
@woody583110 ай бұрын
My 1st ever gig age 13 in 1978.was Siouxsie and the Banshees before the Scream came out & saw them on the Join hands tour with the Cure as Support & Robert Smith playing in the Banshees in 79
@rocdocs10 ай бұрын
Whoa!!!
@dirkjewitt5037 Жыл бұрын
The Cure "In Orange" is the greatest concert film i have ever watched
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
I forgot about that! Time for a rewatch
@chuffa1130Ай бұрын
Thank you for this detailed history between these two bands and Robert Smith, He's always intertwined with the banshees in and out and never really understood the timeline this is really awesome video or reporting
@rocdocsАй бұрын
Thanks so Much!
@riggstwenty211 ай бұрын
OMFG . I was lying in bed last night and for no reason at all , started to wonder if Siouxsie and Robert ever made up ! And lo , look what popped up in my recommendations .
@rocdocs11 ай бұрын
I’m a psychic! I hope you enjoyed the video, Riggs!
@Dawns-early-light Жыл бұрын
We already knew something of this, but now we have a much clearer picture of it, thank you very much.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that. Same for me actually- I learned a lot researching it. Thanks for watching and commenting Billy-
@alukuhito Жыл бұрын
Who's we? I already knew all of this, and have known it for 30 years.
@yvettevitacaponigro Жыл бұрын
@@alukuhito 🙄
@Heartwing37 Жыл бұрын
Siouxsie sent a drink to my table one time after a show. Unfortunately, my boyfriend was with me and took exception… ❤❤❤
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Oh wow! I'd be like sorry dude. I'm playing Peek-a-boo with Siouxsie!
@richies6420 Жыл бұрын
This could go on and on. That tennis ball sure knows a lot. I really liked The Glove. I found it when I first went into the navy. So, new territory and the glove definitely have a place in my heart.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Richie, thank you 🙏
@azloii97813 ай бұрын
Goth music has the best exchange of artists and creativity man
@PinkyPuff69 Жыл бұрын
This was good, thank you. Hyaena was my first Siouxsie and The Banshees recoed and The Glove was one of my favorites, too. When The Creatures toured in San Francisco in the 90's I saw them after work and got so horribly drunk that night that I made a loud noise about meeting Siouxsie. She and Budgie came out after the show and had drinks with everyone still left over after hours. I got to meet her and talk with her for a few minutes... she was so nice to deal with me and laugh along with my giddy, joyful awe for her.
@TheOnlyOneStanding8079 Жыл бұрын
You drunk fool 🥴🍺🥃
@metaphy11 ай бұрын
This collaboration was one of these rare planets alignments in art: two creative creatures like Robert Smith and Steve Severin, collaborating and partying over years with the very center driven Siouxsie ! No wonder that she never liked anybody saying no to her, like any « independant entitled woman » 😂 while Steve and Robert remained friends, keeping memories of all good moments even if this was exhausting as they said many times in interviews. The legacy is this wonderful gem: Hyena, with a spark of Cure and Siouxsie in every song ! The album is a classic and comes with splendid artwork and one the best pictures of the members.
@rocdocs11 ай бұрын
Fully agree, and well said! Thx for the kind words Metaphy!
@metaphy11 ай бұрын
@@rocdocs Yes. I subscribed and regret to just have discovered this channel only in 2023 !
@fvez_ Жыл бұрын
Amazing video! As someone who wasnt even born during these times, these videos help out a lot to know more about the band.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Glad you got something out of it! I learned a lot just reading the source books!
@DanHintz Жыл бұрын
robert smith also famously played guitar with the stranglers (as did robert fripp) when hugh cornwell was in jail for a few months on drug possession charges. both smith and fripp were/are big stranglers fans and they kicked ass with them.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Dan - thanks for this comment, interesting
@ncapone87 Жыл бұрын
Tbf both Roberts kick ass
@terrypussypower Жыл бұрын
I saw Siouxsie And The Banshees with Robert Smith at the Glasgow Apollo in late 1982. Being a huge John McGeoch fan I was really disappointed when Smith walked out on stage! But after the first few tunes you could tell the music hardly suffered at all.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Wow- how was Robert? Did he sing?
@BronsonTheCat Жыл бұрын
Love your work, Dennis! As much as I like Robert Smith I still think you can’t beat John McGeoch’s guitar work on Spellbound which is my favourite Banshees track.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
McGeoch was so good! It’s sad he left the band, truly
@Kkidzz Жыл бұрын
Yeah, my all time fave next to Robin Simon and Andy Gill. McGeoch’s book that came out last year is a great read.
@FromaTwistedMind Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@williamwilkes987311 ай бұрын
@@rocdocs aiñ't.......
@scottbutkowski580310 ай бұрын
Agreed. McGeoch was the best guitarist they ever had.
@illmsg77 Жыл бұрын
I love everything Siouxsie Sioux and have been this way since 1988. I really appreciate all the info you've gathered and shared. Seeing her perform recently was a dream come true and an occurrence I never thought I would have the pleasure of attending, and I must admit, I cried. Like a little girl I bawled my eyes out briefly. During Dear Prudence, which she sang more beautifully than I could have ever imagined, I got caught up in the moment of realizing Im finally seeing her perform and it was one of the best moments of my life. Whew! That got heavy!!!!
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Wow, I am truly jealous! Thanks for watching and for your kind words!
@daimonos418 Жыл бұрын
'Venus in Furs' was first a short story written by Leopold von Sacher-Masoch published in 1870. That's where 'Severin' is from, originally.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@davebeattie5663 Жыл бұрын
It was a long time ago... I was only sixteen and still at school.The Cure were the best band I'd ever heard live at the time. All I remember about the !ords prayer was it was very long and loud!!
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Cool. Thanks for replying. When I look back on those sorts of times I kick myself for not having taken photos or video! But, we didnt have access to the tools as readily.
@davebeattie5663 Жыл бұрын
@@rocdocs No cameras allowed....
@DreamersOfVixendia11 ай бұрын
One time they all spent the night partying. The next day Siouxsie cancelled a show bc they were too hungover. This pissed off Robert who said, "You owe it to your fans." "We dont owe our fans anything. We had fun last night. You had fun. We do this for fun. When it stops being fun, we stop doing it" was her response. I don't think he quite got Siouxsie.
@rocdocs11 ай бұрын
Good story, thank you dreamers !
@user-dj9nl2vs9x Жыл бұрын
I think it was '79 I saw The Banshees at the Royal Court in Liverpool. The Cure were supporting, Robert Smith later played with Souxsie.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Wow 🤩
@Merylstreep194911 ай бұрын
Yep and Hyaena is my favorite Siouxsie record Rob's time with The Glove was good too
@rocdocs11 ай бұрын
Chris, thanks for watching and commenting! Much appreciated
@brayden.the.canadian6253 Жыл бұрын
Love this vid, I respect both the Banshees and The Cure as legendary groups and you put in a lot of research into this timeline coming from a total nerd on cure lore. Nice work!
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Appreciate you watching and the kind words Brayden.
@direbearcoat7551 Жыл бұрын
I love Siouxsie and the Banshees!!
@mfi-cf7sp Жыл бұрын
seriously though.. this was well written and well carried out.. the graphics of the video are premium also 🖤
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
This means a lot, thank you. Ballette drew the images - she is 12
@factsevidenceagainstmarxis4474 Жыл бұрын
@@rocdocsAmazing talent!!👍🏼
@tammydj9941 Жыл бұрын
I had a good time listening to the stories. Satb and the cure are two bands I truly like. I still have albums from both bands to this day I love to listen to. Never gets old. I'm just the one aging off. Mabuhay!
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Tammy ! Thanks for stopping by and commenting!
@koont666 Жыл бұрын
I saw them at the Hammersmith Odeon, with the cure supporting,i remember that the cure said,"This is out monday ,Jump on somebody else's train ,i think 👍🇬🇧
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Nice! What was the show like?
@koont666 Жыл бұрын
@@rocdocs it was amazing,I can still picture it ,big theatre I was in the balcony middle left of stage and everyone was dancing even in the balcony (circle) I remember love in void being particularly lively the place was electric 🇬🇧I'm really so lucky,I lived a 5 min walk from the venue,I've seen so many bands there including blondie,police, Motorhead,The Damned ect 👍🇬🇧🍀🇮🇪
@Agaricfly68 Жыл бұрын
Whilst i didn't learn anything new from your video it was a very well constructed and enjoyable watch. Thank you!
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@zimriel11 ай бұрын
hey it was all new to me :)
@HappyMealBieber10 ай бұрын
Gave a Guitar away to a Fan. That is a level of Awesome rarely seen. Imagine being that guy later having actual equipment.
@Happyradio1234Ай бұрын
I love this band!!!❤
@rocdocsАй бұрын
I do too!
@mbburke3780 Жыл бұрын
I never knew that ! Thank you ! I so miss my Siouxsie t -shirt but so very happy I got to see The Cure this month .💜💜💜
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Nice, I’m glad you got to go! Thx for stopping by
@Gothikrose Жыл бұрын
Loved everything in your video! The narration and the graphics! Top notch! Even learned a few new tidbits about this special time. Thank you! Happy to be a Siouxsie and Banshees / Cure fan :)
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Rose, thank you so much! That means the world !!!
@MagnumInnominandum5 ай бұрын
A lovely piece. It really fleshes out some connective tissue for my life lived, unexamined. 🖤 Thx
@rocdocs5 ай бұрын
Thank you! Glad you liked it.
@Gunnery692467 ай бұрын
Saw The Cure back in the early 1980s. Great band.
@rocdocs7 ай бұрын
Yes they are! Saw them in the disintegration tour. So good
@GoldAmple Жыл бұрын
This channel is super underrated
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for saying this, it means the world. GolaAmple, thanks so much for watching!
@jenovahcremator2133 Жыл бұрын
Extremely interesting in-depth look into piece of musical history, thanks for that! Btw, glitch at 11:36 :)
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@glowingman Жыл бұрын
Great vid! I recently began to dig deeper into the Banshees discography and saw somewhere he had played for them, and this video was exactly was I was hoping to find! I will take a listen to the glove, thanks!
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Cool, spoon! Happy to be of service!!!
@stephenowens5375 Жыл бұрын
Think between me and my wife we have or had every record shown but only got to see the Banshees once when Siouxsie had her leg in plaster, the whole show she sat on a bar stool but it was still a great gig. Had quite a few posters back in the day from the concerts and album promotions. Never got to see The Cure but saw Rob with the Banshees which sort of made up for it, I think. The Glove was class better than The Creatures (sorry Budgie and Siouxsie) and even found the 2 x 12" singles in my local Woolworths. Anyway, just reminiscing back in the old days when music really was music, never to be repeated. Thanks for the video Dennis it really was a pleasure, everything was just as it should have been.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Stephen thanks for your memories! I agree- The Glove is better than The Creatures. Anyone who saw Robert play with the banshees is a lucky 🍀 man in my book!! So cool. Did he sing at all? Or just guitar?
@stephenowens5375 Жыл бұрын
@@rocdocs No Rob was just on guitar mate. I also had a neighbour 3 houses down by the name of Norman Fisher Jones who played with the Cure, as well as a few other bands, on tour in Germany. Can't say I really knew him though but his parents often came to my father in laws parties who house I now own since he passed on. Small world isn't it!
@smac37944 ай бұрын
John valentine was the guitarist when siouxsie hurt her knee... Not Rob..
@stephenowens53754 ай бұрын
@@smac3794 I doubted you I must admit, but I guess it's a false memory. I saw them in 1985 in Liverpool at the Royal Court but I see it was the year before when they made the Nocturne album from the live tour. Thanks for the reply happy to stand corrected. 👍
@sethkaicer319 Жыл бұрын
Dennis and I adopted a cannibalistic voodoo witch doctor and named him Ziggy.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Three times!
@khonsuthecore478810 ай бұрын
Nocturne is simply one of the best moments of the Banshees and of Smith's guitar playing. He takes what McGeoch did to a more terrifying level that Severin was able to match with lots of cool pedals. Severin was using two of the same powerful flange in a row at the time. I saw Nocturne in a record shop before I knew what it was and grabbed The Scream instead bc I like to start at a bands beginning. I regret that now a bit but ofc The Scream has seen a ton of time on my record player.
@carolynmurphy3697 Жыл бұрын
I saw Siouxsie and the Banshees at Coventry Hypadrome when Robert Smith was in them
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Wow! Any specific memories you can share with us?
@spillyjane Жыл бұрын
Dennis, great vid! This is a period in music history that I've always wondered about, but had never looked into. This cleared up a lot of questions.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@Votedjt202410 күн бұрын
I really love my favorite biggest crush on Robert Smith
@rocdocs9 күн бұрын
Totally
@TimPlavac3 ай бұрын
Wow great video! I thought I was a hardcore fan but I learned a few things here. Thank you!
@seanp8220 Жыл бұрын
Definite influence on the tribal psychedelic manic THE TOP album. My favourite Cure album and the most aligned with Robert Smith's personal sensibilities as opposed to commercial outreach or 'Cure sound' consistency. The Top didn't give a fuck.
@itssoezy Жыл бұрын
The Top really stands alone as one of The Cure's best albums. I also think Japanese Whispers is one of their great moments.
@seanp8220 Жыл бұрын
@@itssoezy Those synthpop singles after the trajectory of the dark brooding years before must have been so odd and dispiriting to Cure fans at that time lol - and yes of course Robert/Lol did irresistible quirky synthpop quite unlike anyone else.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
I agree, it’s peak stuff.
@alukuhito Жыл бұрын
I love The Top. It's also interesting that it's Robert, not Simon, playing bass on the album too. Robert's a great bassist, something overlooked by most people.
@jacksampsonforever Жыл бұрын
Congrats on the new channel name, Dennis! So, Robert was only on one of the Banshees studio albums? Fun fact: the drummer from the Glove (Andy Anderson) was a member of the Cure for the Japanese Whispers era, and maybe the Top.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jack! Cool fact!
@metaphy11 ай бұрын
Yeah, good drumming on these !
@vukovalevsky6 ай бұрын
Such a great video. Thank you!
@AlejandroLopez-cd9de Жыл бұрын
The illustrations are REAL goof! Credits please....
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Goof or good? My 12 year old daughter drew them. Ballette is her artist moniker.
@senorsalami4 ай бұрын
More great work here, Robert did well stepping into fill John's shoes!!!
@rocdocs4 ай бұрын
Thanks my friend!!
@FromaTwistedMind Жыл бұрын
Bloody Excellent video 😊
@Alt_Bettyy2 ай бұрын
So much luv for 🖤Susan & Robert 🖤
@rocdocs2 ай бұрын
Same!! Thx Betty for watching!
@maybeitsneato Жыл бұрын
Catch a horror taxi, I fell in love with a video nasty.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Yes! Lol!!!
@lasttime1372 Жыл бұрын
What a great video! Thank you ❤
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
You are so welcome! Thanks for watching and commenting, LastTime!
@-blunkisbunk- Жыл бұрын
Great breakdown, thank you!
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it, Brice! Thanks!
@paulbalogh4582 Жыл бұрын
Wow - this was kool, I never knew any of this… thank you .
@elihyland4781 Жыл бұрын
I’ll never get over the fact that Sid Vicious was their drummer. Just….. what??????
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s kind of mind blowing
@alukuhito Жыл бұрын
Only once - the first show. He was a useless musician.
@elihyland4781 Жыл бұрын
@@alukuhito he still did it and that’s why I can’t stop staring at the ceiling
@alukuhito Жыл бұрын
@@elihyland4781 It wasn't a very serious show. Sid was one of the gang. There were a bunch of people - The Sex Pistols and the Bromely Contingent. They all knew each other, especially at that time after the punk thing had been happening in London for a while. Obviously Siouxsie wasn't thinking Sid would be a long-term collaborator on anything serious. It is weird though and sort of stains the band, him being a useless murderous druggy.
@elihyland4781 Жыл бұрын
@@alukuhito im afraid that stain is not making me stare at the ceiling any less, in fact it makes it more acute. I’m the guy on the ground in the Radiohead “Just” video and this is why. Belinda Carlisle was in The Germs, only for a week… that week is robbing sleep from me. I love how history touches itself
@merlin5476 Жыл бұрын
For me, Smith was awesome in the banshees, The nocturn at the royal albert hall is one of the best gigs I've seen ( apart from The gathering... Killing joke)
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
You were there? AMAZING! I am very jealous. They were truly amazing in those two shows.
@jschap712 Жыл бұрын
I remember seeing an interview, probably on MuchMusic in the late 80s, where Siouxsie complained about people supposedly giving Robert Smith too much credit for the music on Hyaena.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Thanks I will check that out!
@jeromealexandre4162 Жыл бұрын
This is fantastic ! Thank you .
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
That’s so nice to hear, thanks Jerome!
@VuotoPneumaNN Жыл бұрын
I think you should have mentioned that copious amounts of LSD were consumed by all subjects involved during this time.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
It was mentioned a couple of times, but I didn't want to belabor the point. Thanks for watching and commenting, much appreciated!
@terrypmusic Жыл бұрын
Great stuff
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Terry - thanks for watching and for your support!
@churchillsliver2259 Жыл бұрын
Subscribed. Great video.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Churchill’s liver! That means a lot
@davebeattie5663 Жыл бұрын
I was at the gig in Aberdeen, excellent night and we got our money back......
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Thank you! That was a detail I omitted- siouxsie insisted on giving the punters their money back! How was the extended Lord’s Prayer?Its amazing you were at the ABERDEEN INCIDENT!
@smelltheglove2038 Жыл бұрын
I really like that song “Icons”
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
I do to it’s so cool and catchy
@stevesm4 Жыл бұрын
Possibly already mentioned but The Banshees' mad version of The Lord's Prayer didn't become a feature of their live set after it was recorded for Join Hands. It was the other way around. In fact it was the first thing they ever played at that notorious 100 Club gig with Sid on drums and Marco Pirroni on guitar. Because they hadn't actually written anything at that point and weren't even sure if they would be playing again. The versions they played subsequently would be largely improvised and would include comments on the gig and the audience. Not always complementary. The recorded version on Join Hands was pretty lacklustre by comparison.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I read a bit about that but I only know the studio version. There were a few details I omitted and I appreciate you filling us in,
@Mojokiss5 ай бұрын
Robert sleeping on the floor of Severins flat in a pile of coats its my favorite part of this documentary
@rocdocs5 ай бұрын
Thank you. I was proud of that. It took me a while to figure out how to accurately portray it.
@Mojokiss5 ай бұрын
I'll be back to enjoy more of your excellent work@@rocdocs
@uncleswan3896 Жыл бұрын
I saw Siouxsie and the Banshees with Robert Smith playing guitar open for the Cure in Oakland CA at the Henry J Kaiser Convention Center, about 1986? It might have been just a thing for that show but RS was playing live with them after 1984 at least that night.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Cool! Do you remember any of the songs they did or highlights? That’s an amazing time to have seen them! Thx for watching and commenting swan!
@ihavezeroideawhattoputhere3653 Жыл бұрын
i don’t think they ever opened for the cure? john valentine was the guitarist in 1986 and they were on tour with love and rockets at that time
@uncleswan3896 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I admit I may be blurring memories at this point, but still have tix stub for Siouxsie June 1, 86 at the Henry J Kaiser. Cure at the Greek July 26, 86. Saw both before that. Also the head on the Door tour book from 87? Saw The Cure and Siouxsie and the Banshees and Love and Rockets all at least 3 times all between 84- 87. My memory is that Robert Smith played with them, so maybe it was in 84? have to admit I was 12-15 years old 84-87 and I could be blurring some memories now. I'll try to confirm it with some people I went with. definitely saw L&R open for them one of the times I saw them. Saw L&R at Wolfgangs and at the Berkeley Community Theater also around then. Could be blurring that in there. The SF Bay Area was a goldmine for inexpensive live shows /all ages shows and easy BART access.
@uncleswan3896 Жыл бұрын
@@ihavezeroideawhattoputhere3653 could/may be blurring memories of shows I saw around the same time but I remember RS sitting in and it was a buzz. maybe it was him sitting in with the opener at the Oakland arena show in 87 or the greek theater show in 86? will ask some of the people I went with
@ihavezeroideawhattoputhere3653 Жыл бұрын
@@uncleswan3896 L&R opened for them during the tinderbox tour, and i think L&R opened for the cure in 89? maybe that’s where the confusion is coming from
@zoeherriot Жыл бұрын
There is a minor error - The Caterpillar was the single from The Top and wasn't part of the Japanese Whispers compilation.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Thank you Zoe! I hope you otherwise dug it.
@zoeherriot Жыл бұрын
@@rocdocs absolutely did - it was a great breakdown, and I really enjoy this period of The Cure and the Banshees. Top work. :)
@P_RO_ Жыл бұрын
A lot of the goings-on weren't well known back then except locally, and in England it seems whoever you name has played with several other famous people or bands somewhere along the way. Love Robert Smith anywhere, but McGeoch was the "most Banbshee" of all that bands guitarists. Now imagine if he'd stayed, all the friendships, influences, likes and dislikes which greatly influenced the future for all involved might not ever have happened....
@deaddoll1361 Жыл бұрын
He had a nervous breakdown, it wasn't a matter of "if he stayed". There was no telling how long his recovery could have taken.
@mdhh785911 ай бұрын
Excellent video thanks
@rocdocs11 ай бұрын
Hey thank YOU for watching and commenting- I appreciate it!
@thefallstrokes Жыл бұрын
Not to mention that thanks to Robert playing guitar in the banshees is that shoegaze is called shoegaze
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Really, I did not know this, thank you
@thefallstrokes Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Simon Scott, the drummer of slowdive once reffered that he found the stoic stance of Robert really cool and the band of the name itself comes from the song of the same title from "a kiss in the dream house"
@deaddoll1361 Жыл бұрын
@@thefallstrokes The term shoegaze existed before Slowdive.
@thefallstrokes Жыл бұрын
@@deaddoll1361 Yeah, no doubt about it, though my point is that Robert Smith's projects have been very influential in the genre
@socalnitro11 ай бұрын
I had no clue and I’m 53. I should have known this. Feeling more dumb than ever.
@rocdocs11 ай бұрын
I learned a lot making this, so dont feel bad! Glad you swung by and I hope you dug!
@joshualeizerman6164 Жыл бұрын
Pulled to Bits off Nocturne is my favorite song. Not my favorite SatB song. My favorite song. That Severin's bass and Smith's guitar are just amazing.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
That performance is sublime!!! So good
@callsignstatic6872 Жыл бұрын
Great time of this band
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Really was. What a time for incredible music from both bands
@raimywinter2309 Жыл бұрын
🤘🏻🎱🤘🏻very cool
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Thank you Raimy! Appreciate you watching and commenting!
@raimywinter2309 Жыл бұрын
I learn allot from your vids man.
@alisterfolson Жыл бұрын
New sub! Liking the fresh look and storylines!
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard! Thanks for subbing, and the kind words Allister!
@johnkuthe1 Жыл бұрын
The Scream is a fantastic album! :-)
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
It really is special.
@MR.B00_ Жыл бұрын
Man this video dusted off some memories I hadn't visited in a while.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
I hope you dug it, Mr.b.
@theoriginalbluey11 ай бұрын
Like An Animal by The Glove was/is SUCH an amazing single. The sleeve is fascinating with a hole in the middle so that you can spin it on your record player.
@rocdocs11 ай бұрын
Whoa 🤯 I am going to need to get those singles! Thanks bluey!
@TheNightdiver Жыл бұрын
Loved the video!
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Thanks nightdiver! Appreciate you stopping by and commenting by friend!
@galetinm Жыл бұрын
Great video. Love Robert Smith and The Cure, great guitarist, but his main talent is songwriting. Give me John McGeoch with the Banshees any time of day. McKay deserves his praise for playing with the Banshees too, before Robert. Robert is already praised enough, deservedly so, for his work with The Cure. Let others have their moment. They deserve it.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Thanks galetin- I appreciate you watching and commenting! And thanks for your kind words, I’m glad you like the video.
@brysimm404 Жыл бұрын
Robert Smith… tough guy leg breaker - but still a sensitive soul 😂
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
I know! A gangster! Lol that killed me
@lisab8334Ай бұрын
@@brysimm404 Actually, Robert has a peppery attitude when he was young... it has happened more than once to get involved in fight. When he.was fifteen he got kicked.out of school for "inappropriate behavior:.
@titoburrito77710 ай бұрын
Well done. Can you do a small piece on the collaboration between Suzie and Morrissey?
@rocdocs10 ай бұрын
Good idea! Let me look into that!
@richardmanderscheid6836 Жыл бұрын
Damn I remember the 12"" Zor Gabor, punk mud...
@Evocati-Augusti Жыл бұрын
This is were Robert really found him self during this time, it almost killed The Cure, which was the product of 'the Cure is dead' incident , when Cure roadie and friend of bassist Simon Gallup Gary Biddles took to the mic, with Robert on drums, Simon on guitar, and Lol on bass, ,Biddens would take there mic and sing "Smith is a wanker, Tolhurst is a wanker, only Simon is worth anything in the band! The Cure is dead!" over and over making Robert throw his sticks, And its Robert who writes all the music, and for Cure drummers like me, that's kinda of a problem, because its hard to recreate live a Drum machine(the Boss DR-55) so you have to have a trigger bar( Roland BT-1 Bar Trigger )and an electric drum pad (2 Roland PDX-100 Electronic V-Drum Pad, 10-Inch ) and also a Roland SPD-SX 10 pad sampler pad, to make them work. Disintegration has an average of 3 triggers the drummer has to hit in each song , on The Same Deep Water As You ,he triggers the thunder sound and the rain, and the wood block is on the trigger bar,
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Interesting facts on the drum triggers, and the story! Am I correct that you played drums with The Cure at some point? Thx for watched and commenting!
@jimpayne87849 ай бұрын
Saw Smith play with The Cure then after with The Banshees.At the time we didn't know what was going on .Later found out it was just after the walkout.
@rocdocs9 ай бұрын
Wow!
@nowiamsane6561 Жыл бұрын
The bold and the beautiful.
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
You are indeed sane! 😂
@stelleratorsuprise81853 ай бұрын
According to some comments (I don't understand enough about it) McKay was an excellent innovative guitarist, it's a pity how he quit from the Banshees, ...
@julianhermanubis68003 ай бұрын
Siouxsie is just formidable. That's the word. 😆 She is an amazing performer though, definitely.
@rocdocs3 ай бұрын
That word definitely sums her up!!
@SamLowryDZ-015 Жыл бұрын
For context, in the UK, if a single didn't make the top 40, it wasn't considered a hit and would not be available to buy from the main high-street retailers of the time or get featured on any mainstream music programs like TOTP
@rocdocs Жыл бұрын
Good to know!
@khonsuthecore478810 ай бұрын
The Banshees also asked Daniel Ash to join after McGeoch left, imagine that timeline.