Rock and metal are BORING now (and this is why)

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

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[@mariokazinski]

Who else misses Finn posting videos on his second channel?

[@Pushbakgang]

Great video finn....clap clap......cheeks...sorry

[@Pushbakgang]

And I can completely agree with you on the whole trap metal thing currently working on a project with 2 rappers And myself as a guitar player Literally the only metal thing about the band is me.. There's No fresh takes on mixing the 2

[@chriswise7978]

new shoegazey bands are killing it right now!!

[@HolographicCathawk]

A funnier sponsor would have been the lumineers.

[@plutowalkerr]

Guys stop leaving negative comments, I’m having trouble liking them all

[@grim082000]

You think that because you only do it for the money.

[@urmomma2688]

He doesn't even think that. He's just heard people call new metal boring so decided to make a video. In order to find music boring you at least need to listen to it

[@jay5th87]

@@urmomma2688nah he deadass said he doesn’t even have an interest in music and only makes videos for money. He actually quit making videos for that reason

[@urmomma2688]

@@jay5th87 he also said that he doesn'f listen to the stuff he talks about

[@jay5th87]

@@urmomma2688 yes. He said he just uses Wikipedia

[@theheavybard]

Just found this out today, I'm beyond pissed. I really enjoyed this channel cause I love hearing about band's history and just someone talking about the scene, but it was all fake. If you don't have a passion for what you're talking about, don't do it. It's fake and disingenuous.

[@migzydrift]

Enjoy your LinkedIn career

[@davidkline4372]

He doesn't care that anyone is disappointed in him. He's laughing his way to the bank.

[@cordilofish]

@@davidkline4372 how gross

[@adamc3803]

He's toast. No matter what project he pursues going forward, he will never get the same support.

[@pastromer8552]

this is the first time ive seen someone grift this hard on something that isnt tied with politics, genuinely must have hurt your soul to watch you constantly lie for years to hundreds of thousands of people about liking music just to make money, genuinely shameful behavior

[@joelbarish]

Relax, he's been open about that for a long time

[@pastromer8552]

@joelbarish I've watched practically all of his stuff and he has never outright said he has no interest in music as a whole, if you think it's fine to just let people pull the wool over people's eyes for years and then basically tell them they were all wasting their time then I don't know what to tell you

[@joelbarish]

@@pastromer8552 I don't why he said that he doesn't like music, the guy clearly grew up listening to a lot of different shit. I think you're reading way too much into this... He's a new father so i think that part of his life just makes more sense rather than obssesing over music and youtube. He has stated numerous times that he just straight up copies from Wikipedia and talks about Nu-Metal because that's what the people want. That's what sells. You can think whatever you want about that approach to music content but at least he's honest about it.

[@FIDEL_CASHFLOW_]

I don't really think it's grifting. You might reasonably infer that he loves music and is passionate about the subject, but he never outright says that music is his life. He's not scamming anybody or selling a worthless product, he's making videos about a topic that people seem to care about. I will admit that he does come across as a condescending douchebag and he doesn't seem to respect his subscribers, but that doesn't mean that he's a grifter. I know I have since unsubscribed and will not be watching any more of his videos.

[@KR811]

It’s almost refreshing that it’s about music this time. I can assume pop and rap have even more grifters in this platform

[@supermahmoud]

Came here after "knowing", wow… 😮

[@thomascoleman6504]

Gojira closing the olympics would be the closest thing rock/metal has had to a cultural moment in a while.

[@lordvlygar2963]

*opening

[@jamprosteve]

Exactly my thoughts 👍

[@applebutter4036]

Yeah, that was pretty cool actually.

[@victoryoso4955]

the last one moment before that was that guy in stranger things playing metallica

[@mattboyer3385]

And they barried that behind the last supper drag preformemce

[@Kodeb8]

You can still find cool shit, it just won't be mainstream.

[@Wailmur]

For sure. But a lot of music nowadays is just supposed to be playing in the background.

[@gringogreen4719]

Correct.😉👍✨

[@Galaxie500IN]

@@Wailmuryeah, it’s not like the guys wanna come over and spin a new Van Halen album, or Nirvana album, even if there could be one, and do it loud.

[@sayyanhmuong737]

facts

[@albertogarcia9250]

Yep, good music is not being played in MTv like used to be.

[@metalmichew2]

Ding ding ding! Here he is ladies and gentlemen, the winner of the poser olympics!

[@NathanBanditelli]

this needs more thumbs up

[@TaniaJazzz]

So Finn Mckenty turns out to be fake, his entire channel is fake. It's just another business man posing as someone who cares about music. Why would anyone want to do business with a guy like that in the future?

[@zachary_attackery]

you realize literally everyone else on youtube is doing the same thing right?

[@mercuryshadow09]

@@zachary_attackery you're saying nobody on YT is genuine, or has a passion for the content they cover? Not going to bother explaining why that is a bad take but you should be embarrassed.

[@TYBG85]

​@@zachary_attackerynope that's a very bad take. There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of content creators. Obviously some of them actually give a shit about the content they make.

[@zachary_attackery]

@@TYBG85 ....no they don't

[@butHomeisNowhere___]

​@@zachary_attackerywrong. I genuinely love the things I talk about on my channel (not this one obv)

[@Daslikdj]

Rock isn't boring. You're just a sellout.

[@michealrosen]

Actually both are true modern rock bands are boring and he's a sellout, not much new blood coming through in rock

[@adamc3803]

He doesn't even like music. Can't trust those types of humans to begin with.

[@danielsouza4712]

So you don't really care about music and did it all for money? I regret every minute I ever wasted on a poseur like you.

[@zachary_attackery]

newsflash: that is literally everyone on youtube

[@Mob-Inc]

Not really, but go on an and cope​@@zachary_attackery

[@E_E_PITCHES]

@@zachary_attackerythat’s just not true bro

[@gabet7193]

if you ever watched this guy unironically, then you've always been a poser lmao, he's always been a total normie. i'm only here cuz i heard the news.

[@danielsouza4712]

@@gabet7193 and it's poseur not poser. Learn how to spell buddy

[@calmyoshiz]

You "not being into music" has been very obvious from the few videos i ended uo seeing of yours. All extremely bad takes

[@evansevansevans1]

They’re both bad and hack which is quite something. I’ve only ever come across him a couple of times and I’m always left cold. Like reading a Wikipedia article - which, it turns out it what it was.

[@drewwisemanmusic424]

NGL his takes on certain things I like were kinda shit. Not sure why I kept watching for as long as I did.

[@say12thebear]

He has a quote saying there's nothing good in new rock and posted a god damn clip of IDLES collabing with LCD Soundsystem ike that isn't the coolest shit and trying to play it off like he was right. He's a poser

[@brainst3w]

tHe HaRdCoRe ScEnE iN tHe 90s 🙄

[@hellsunicorn]

Speaking as someone who grew up in the 90s and was in a couple hardcore bands at the time, there was a scene at that time, albeit it was heavily derivative and reliant on the innovations that were made in the early 80s. That being said, if you're point is that Finn is a joke and a grifter, agreed 100%. I'm confident everything he wrote in his profile is a lie.

[@brainst3w]

@ oh my comment was totally a jab towards Finn because i felt he always used that as him having respect for different come ups of bands and the importance of community in a cities local music scene. it’s all respect towards those who were part of movement including you! also, i’m 33, so i wasn’t too far behind you.

[@hellsunicorn]

@@brainst3w I’m 45 so technically I’m part of Gen X (albeit the youngest part of it), so you just made me feel old. lol But in all seriousness, Finn is the kind of person that kills scenes. What I find most depressing isn’t that he’s a grifter, but rather that over half a million chumps fell for his fake schtick.

[@brainst3w]

@ he obviously only identified with the MBA part and not the punk rock part of his channel name. in hindsight, punk rock MBA is almost an oxymoron lmao it’s giving SteveO in SLC Punk. 45 is not old by any means lol and please wave your gen x flag proud. one of my best friends just turned 45 and was/is into hardcore music and has taught me a lot about the history of the scene here in memphis. i made my own zine a few years ago 😂 so it sucks that finn is calling his subscribers “smooth brained, low vibration people”

[@hellsunicorn]

@@brainst3w Gotcha, it’s cool that you’re contributing to the culture, which has sadly been in a state of decline. I was involved with a couple bands in the Philly area back in the mid to late 90s, a lot of it blurred the lines between old school hardcore and 90s pop punk, but it was interesting as far as local scenes went. The most prominent band at the time was The Piss Shivers, and their vocalist Cedric produced most of the demos and EPs in the area at the time, I think he’s still active. I drifted more into metal circles starting in 1998 and have done most of my music in said genre and my journalism work via metal zines like Brave Words and Sonic Perspectives. But I still keep an eye on what’s going on in hardcore circles, largely via crossover and thrash material.

[@ElectroNinjaHD]

He really did it all for the nookie

[@CTheRevillusionS]

*(yeah)*

[@caspianseal]

(Come on) the nookie

[@inpain2882]

I feel like Buddy ripping off the Mr Incredible poster off his wall

[@safeword_whiskey]

Haha nice

[@prehistoricturtlesaurus5309]

Maybe the most punk thing you can do in 2024 is be Finn Mckenty pretending to be a human so he can collect the money and bail. Finn, I see a great career in politics for you.

[@adamc3803]

His reputation as a grifter will follow him now and forever.

[@prehistoricturtlesaurus5309]

Business bros won't care, and Finn is obviously burning the bridge. If only there was some tell he was full of shit...

[@barkon34]

If you notice every movement he talked about in the beginning, they were all created out of a response to what was popular at the time. However, we are currently living in a time where a popular monoculture no longer exists, the internet destroyed it. Everyone just lives in a personalized bubble creadted by algorithms that cater to all of their individual interests, so now there is nothing to rebel against which in turn destroyed a lot of the creative drive in people.

[@concretew]

This is a freaken take!

[@luismoran4553]

Spot on

[@vitorcarvalho4985]

Precisely

[@krufty47]

Big brain take

[@zephhalo]

Totally agree.. We've lost what is been called the "Collective Experience".. we are not all plugged into the same outlet anymore.. Radio used to be the conduit and we were all tuned in. Now, we're in our bubbles.. but to make it even worse.. Oversaturation.. the final nail in the coffin.. and it will never go back to what it was before.. there's no way back now..

[@louischarleslamanna955]

My take is that Music is boring as of now, not just Rock and Metal.

[@codexmachina1358]

Pretty Lights fans are eating so good right now 😎

[@TibzzTube]

Exactly, most music has become recycled crap. From pop to death metal, new ideas are very few and far between. People have also become way less interested in art in general. We can clearly see that podcasts (99% of which are pure junk) have taken the place of music for many people. Why? Because it takes less effort to listen to, needs less engagement and offers "more for your money". Why listen to a 45min album that comes out once every 3 years when you can get a 2 hour serving of slop every week?

[@uoislame]

thats just not true tho. there is plenty of innovation happening in the post rock era, it just involves black people and "black people music" so the rock and metal fans hate it.

[@TibzzTube]

@@uoislame what is "plenty of innovation"? Sure there have been new ideas from time to time, but nothing that managed to capture people's attention. And please don't pull the race card, when black artists are pretty much at an all-time high in terms of popularity. Not everything is a racial issue.

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

I agree

[@devilsoffspring5519]

I'm 47 and people have complained that "music today sucks, it was better in the old days" for as long as I've been listening to music which is just over 4 decades.

[@Skeware]

Thank you. This is how I feel as well. There's always a bunch screaming that everything nowadays sucks and even though I understand why they say it, I feel sorry for them. I actually disagree with this video premise, but then again, I also understand where it comes from.

[@devilsoffspring5519]

@@kinetic-cybernetic There are bad and good music epochs. They both occur simultaneously. It all just depends on who you're asking. I'm 47 and love melodic punk and pop-punk, both "obsolete" kinds of music but there's still new stuff coming out that kicks ass. Green Day, Rancid, Face To Face, Bink-182, The Offspring etc.

[@chrisgerard1650]

True…but I think the internet and the smart phone (2008) is different then anything that had happened in prior decades

[@purefoldnz3070]

well at least Oasis coming back will bring back electric guitar music to the mainstream again.

[@gx1tar1er]

@@purefoldnz3070 If you need an 30 yo band to make rock & electric guitars into the mainstream & cultural zeitgeist, then that's pretty sad bro.

[@jun813]

Finn is having a midlife crisis at this moment and hated himself for his past decisions. That "I do not enjoy music" doesn't sound genuine and seems like a form of coping mechanism. Well, good riddance and don't come back.

[@E_E_PITCHES]

But why would he lie by saying “I’ve never even heard System of a Down” (a band he’s made multiple videos on) is this dude okay?

[@benjamineer3045]

I think right now we are at cultural impasse. It is not just rock/metal that is out of steam. The pop and hiphop guys started complaining that it has all become repetitive and uninspired as well. And it is not limited to music. Cinema is essentially dead, and TV-Streaming Series are also on their last breaths. Evening apparat from the one or two titles per year that surprise successes but some more or less industry outsides (sorry From Soft, but you know what i mean) the gaming crowd is not happy either. I don't really pay much attention to current literature but i would not be shocked if it was similar there. What we are experiencing is that cultural production (it is no longer art) has been min-maxed so much for attention (and thereby monetary success in the short run), that it became bland and uninteresting to most. Unless you really actively look out for it, where is the truly groundbreaking stuff in art. To be sure, great stuff still exists (probably more than ever), but you have to dig deep for yourself.

[@sebastiangombert1420]

This is the best and most true comment.

[@nosferatucreations]

indeed!!!

[@PARSA-POWER]

After winter comes spring Seeds will grow from beneath

[@jonathanmarkham1998]

Exactly. People get hung up on genres or forms of entertainment, but the medium itself is fundamentally maxed out. Same goes for cinema imo, though I reckon gaming has a bit more potential still in theory.

[@suddenswarm5944]

I think its sort of like diminishing returns in some ways, when there's something cool, the next people are inspired to follow or try something new, either way eliminating options until either its so generic and nostalgic that it feels derivative, or being experimental until it becomes almost unlistenable. there's less and less enjoyable spaces to be explored imo, not to say that I don't still find awesome new music, but usually the influences are worn on the sleeve

[@Internet_Nobody]

If the purpose of this channel was purely a financial grift, why appeal to such a niche market? The views aren’t bad, but the views are better in other communities.

[@TheDefton87]

That's my take too. It's just weird man. Something just don't fit in here

[@Supreme-Mentalman]

He had a passion for the music scene back in the day. The negative scumbags on the internet changed his mind

[@adamc3803]

Well when it's niche you can get most of the market share. Other content may be too saturated - especially mainstream. Great grift, but it seems he burned his bridge to do it again in the future.

[@davidlamountain2248]

In 2004, I wrote a thesis when I was in college about the inevitable death of rock music, being replaced with electronic, pop, and easy to produce and market music. Part of my research was going to radio stations and music stores, and having discussions with people who were heavy into the scene at the time. Mostly, I was dismissed for my ideas that I was presenting, but each and every time they were pointing to the past, and could never see a path forward. I'm a bit sad that what I was seeing at the time has come true.

[@rickyreed723]

Do you still have a copy of the thesis you wrote?

[@ZachMaxon]

I’d like to read that thesis. Nailed ir

[@jamesgaines6676]

People tend to be pretty bad at seeing the future, and, as you said, (in different words), tend to look to what has been as a predictor of what will come.

[@salgadev]

@@davidlamountain2248 maybe ask for recs instead of listening to top 40 throughout your life

[@JB-lp9xr]

I was friends with a guy in high school in the 80s and he had the same theory about the death of the guitar (he thought the synth-based new wave of the early-mid 80s would kill it). Then thrash metal hit. Then the Seattle scene killed hair metal. Then the 90s was one of the biggest decades ever for guitar rock. Point is, you can’t predict the future.

[@BangersEmbrace]

Who cares, Finn is a money grubbing poser anyways.

[@adamc3803]

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[@reyson01]

I feel like three major things are causing this 1) Guys just don't make bands any more, it's much harder to get 4 guys together to make music vs solo music like rap or pop 2) Streaming means you're not just competing against your contemporaries, but music of the last 80 years 3) death of monoculture means you might have decently sized audience but they're all spread out, making it harder to grow as a band from live performance.

[@Chaz4543]

Also, rappers and pop artists blow up at a younger age which gives them a head start and a advantage. A 20 year old rapper or pop star that blows up is common while a rock band made up of 20 year olds is likely still in college and or working full time and cant focus solely on music. Takes them longer to break out and puts them at at a huge disadvantage compared to other genres.

[@shannonsx4143]

You nailed it !

[@scarab944]

Music in general has become much more commoditized, imo. 50k to 100k tracks are added to Spotify every day and algorithmic curation has replaced traditional methods of popularity spread, which might be cause of the death of monoculture that you mention.

[@antenna7002]

@@Chaz4543another thing is that having a band is expensive.

[@spark300c]

well you not have to have band to make rock music. modern tech a lot you be rock KZbinr and make it all your self. I make rock music and I am one man band.

[@eea9374]

I think the lack of a monoculture has just wrecked what people think is innovative or successful. There are amazing albums being released every month, but they are not mainstream.... because nothing is mainstream when everyone has their own data driven music experiences now. How can music or artistic merit be measured when everyone has a completely different measuring stick?

[@jeanpitre5789]

I mean I would argue that makes artists MORE musical. They are writing for what speaks to them, not the masses, because nowadays artists aren't bound by what record labels or what sells the most records. It's just what bands and artists genuinely feel like creating. For some that might be easy to create and uninspired POP crap, but for others you may get experimental and unique sounding albums that can give an almost transcendent experience. I really hate this take that rock/metal is dead or dying. Maybe in mainstream eyes, but rock was never supposed to be mainstream to begin with so WHY are we expecting what's on the radios and television to have a solid grasp of what's truly inspired and sounds incredible?

[@OffendEveryoneImmediately]

Rock N Roll is not a monoculture. It’s a subculture.

[@BoredToDeafRecords]

This is pretty simple, actually: 1. There are no boundaries to push anymore - sonically or culturally 2. Society is too atomized for any one thing to make an impact like artists from previous generations - there aren't a couple dozen demos to appeal to anymore, there are hundreds or thousands. Even if there was anything truly innovative, by the time the mainstream catches on, we've moved on to something else.. because.... internet. And because there are no cultural boundaries to push anymore... the only thing with any kind of mass appeal is aimed directly at your ego: Hip-hop (it's literally just bragging... and look at everyone online, all they do is talk about how great they think they are - the connection is obvious)

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Totally agree, but even hip hop has fallen off lately

[@BoredToDeafRecords]

This is true.. and for some of the same reasons. But with the addition of being a rather limited platform from the start... there are only so many ways you can claim to be the best before people start getting bored - and move on to the next person claiming to be the best (over a beat they didn't produce... using words they needed help writing - it's all soooooo fake). I say this not only as a fan of music in general, but as someone with personal experience in the industry (spent time working at Chung King back in the late 90s - the "Abby Road of Hip-Hop"... and few floors up from Def Jam)

[@SupaSavage24]

@@ThePunkRockMBAbecause basically anytime there’s a new rapper that’s really taking off, they either get locked up or pass away. Very unfortunate cycle.

[@jamesaction138]

Well put!

[@tonesdad0408]

​@Notyourbis yeah but that's boring. It's the same folk songs being passed on and recycled

[@willsaenz6320]

It's funny because, after that recent interview came out, this video accidentally proved the point that there is plenty of great rock music out there and that grifters like Finn are literally just using this tired line for clickbait and monetization.

[@blackmetaldemos9386]

Which is why metal hasn't been culturally relevant in over a decade.. Right 👍

[@willsaenz6320]

@ most folks are aware that there is a pretty major difference between culturally relevant and “good”

[@michealrosen]

I love rock and metal and Finn's a poser, but there isn't many great bands on the scene, we need more good bands so the legacy acts can retire, not have them headline Hellfest etc

[@willsaenz6320]

@ there are literally thousands of metal and rock bands playing the circuits around the US, many of them quite good. It’s a separate problem when Hellfest keeps hiring the same legacy acts, but there’s plenty of good music out there despite what Finn had to say about it.

[@salembeats1875]

@@blackmetaldemos9386culturally relevant? Rock and metal is its own culture. It has festivals and concerts all the time. It dosent need to be mainstream and in every piece of media to be “culturally relevant”. It’s already woven it’s self into the music scene permanently now. Rock/hip hop/elctronic/ etc.

[@kevinmcquade1688]

The real problem is people nowadays get more entertainment from searching for things to bitch about rather than just enjoying it.

[@rex452music]

this

[@SystematicMechanic]

These guys are real good at making bold claims and trying to pass them off as facts. Notice they never provide a solution?

[@marianat1393]

rock fans love to say "this is not real rock" some of them think only THEIR subgenre of rock is good

[@letrichiebe]

Listen to my songa

[@wingnutz4849]

The real problem is internet (social influencers and gaming) kids today are not board enough to go buy an album sit and listen while reading lyrics, times change, that's just my opinion.

[@grapefruitsimmons]

Youre ignoring that the mainstream music industry as a whole is controlled by a handful of corporations. Any real innovation isnt going to get traction. You gotta go underground.

[@Merliin03]

This is the problem for everything in general but you nailed it!

[@narf1990]

bullshit rises first, thats what my grandpappy taught me.

[@jaykowsh1027]

Bro, this isn't 1995. There's no such thing as underground or controlled by corporations. You can find whatever you want whenever you want lol

[@gsly6081]

Yeah they never mention the industry. Good innovative things are out there but the problem is no one is pushing it out to the public. Safe and boring music sells better.

[@camiblack1]

Uh, you do remember that NIN was on a sub label for Interscope. Which got its own sub label... then again, it was about that point you started getting the ossification of rock.

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

At this point if I hear somebody say 'modern rock and metal is dead/boring' I just assume there's nothing they're listening to outside of the MEGA big name bands. Plenty of great stuff out there, just gotta go looking for it.

[@stevecarey2030]

Yeah, that's what I keep hearing. Here's the thing. Most people have jobs and don't have time or patience to sift through servers full of uncurated music. I sure don't. If this awesome music really exists, there would be some organized way to curate it and get it to the masses. I tried listening to Spotify's modern rock and modern Punk channels, etc. Awful.

[@kiimawittu_]

Everyone says that same thing but then don't name any examples of this happening. If you know those kinds of bands, then please shout their name from the roof tops!

[@christophetrudel4621]

@@kiimawittu_ Dirty honey, greta van fleet, Rival sons etc. There are a lot and not just on uncurated servers.

[@bazilio8258]

@@kiimawittu_ Ok, here is some of mine recent discoveries: An Abstract Illusion, Blackbraid, Chevelle, Deathyard, Doom:VS, HANABIE, Nemophila, Oceans of Slumber, Orbit Culture, Persefone, White Ward ... AGAOS, Sigh, Genus Ordinis Dei, Imminence, TheCityIsOurs, Shadow of Intent, Bloodywood

[@octavia458]

I shall add Aquilus. ​@@bazilio8258

[@evanperkinns9039]

bro started dating his wife AS SOON as she turned 18. definitely not groomer behavior

[@Kevin_Oskar]

She was 21.

[@evansevansevans1]

Is there a story behind this? I was thinking the next things will be “allegations” I mean look at him. Add to that lying for however long he has.

[@evansevansevans1]

@@Kevin_Oskarand how old is he, about 54 I’d say.

[@G_--__-_--_---_yldr]

​@@evansevansevans146, he's said he was born in 1978. (But who knows if that's even true lol)

[@raf9x908]

Can't believe the one punk rock KZbinr is a fake. Unsubscribed

[@chrishirini5414]

Yeah bro this guy only in it for the cash no loyalty to his subscribers could have at least made a vid and said see ya

[@OngoGablogian487]

"""punk rock"""

[@mannythehorse4933]

The fact that Rock / metal festival lineups have the same headliners as 2005 2004 system of a down Korn Deftones tool etcetera etcetera is it very terrifying warning sign what happens when these bands finally retire? Are these festivals going to disappear? I mean imagine in 2003 of if led Zeppelin and CCR was headlining Lollapalooza crazy

[@suddenswarm5944]

if theres a 3 day fest, I reckon having legacy, high energy, and up and new gen headliners all have their place. Download 2023 had Metallica, Slipknot and Bring me the Horizon, something for everyone imo

[@ashadeofnight]

​@@suddenswarm5944 Bring Me thd Horizon the newest of those 3 formed in 2004

[@Sashan2012]

When the legacy bands vanish (because let's face it, a lot of them are getting older ... even bands from early 00's, the members aren't getting younger. Ignoring all the late 80s/early 90s bands ... who are really getting on now) ... I can't really think of what bands will fill those voids on the festival lineups. Because there aren't really those kinds of bands in the ones that are up and coming at the moment to be the future 'legacy' bands.

[@denislemieux4915]

@Notyourbis Part of this too is the fact that going to a festival of any genre cost a shit ton of money these days. The people who can afford it aren't like 19. 20. 21 year olds, for the most part, they're people in their 30s, 40's.

[@SeHyMain]

In Czech Republic, we had Rock for People. Two legacy headliners (Prodigy and Offspring), and two newer acts (Bring me the Horizon and Yungblud). Say what you want, BTHM and Yungblud were 100000 times better than any legacy band I have seen. Also, last year there were Ghost as a headliner on one festival and nearly everyone came for them. Not for Decapitated or Clawfinger. It was Ghost

[@mrmarten9385]

The mainstream is boring.

[@joso7228]

But it always has been. There were always the Pop Stars v Real Music

[@barkon34]

The mainstream hasn't existed for over a decade

[@unbreakable_john316]

Agreed

[@sgt_slobber.7628]

SUX!!!!;);)

[@OffendEveryoneImmediately]

Then do something about. Vagabond.

[@AstroZombies79]

I’ve watched your videos since your early years on KZbin. You drew my interest to so many amazing bands and genres. What you said on the recent interview before quitting felt like a stab to the chest.

[@andrewwhisner2840]

I feel like this is a really good way to teach art appreciation to your specific audience without them knowing 😂

[@slayabouts]

It definitely made me reevaluate all the jokes I used to make at modern art’s expense

[@wildhoneyandnoise]

@@andrewwhisner2840 yeah good call on making a video with deeper content. It seems like the content Finn wants to make more of.

[@dannydanumba]

My audio only ass has to “rewatch” this vid lmao

[@tawadrosal-yunani]

Yeah, cause we, the pleb, will appreciate art better by putting it in the straightjacket of form/concept and then judge it by subjectively or even ignorantly placing it in a quadrant. This video is the opposite of art appreciation. It's personal taste disguised as art criticism with the help of fossilised concepts. Although, the concepts themselves aren't really the problem. It's the rogue way in which they are used that's the problem.

[@reeenji]

Rage bait videos are a hell of a way of doing marketing, and since you do it just for the money, your opinion on the matter is usseles

[@Locust]

rock and metal are boring because you listen to the same bands you did 30 years ago and spend money on their comeback tours rather than supporting a thriving local music scene

[@DenNavnlos]

Thank you for this. I’m feeling confused about the topic of this video, considering that I feel the most sated as a fan of extreme metal now than I ever did a decade-plus ago. Metal’s most exciting aspect has been how deep you can dive into the underground to find interesting and innovative acts. Local scenes feel the same way. Avoid the mainstream, and you’ll never find yourself bored.

[@AndrewScott1337]

@@DenNavnlos Finn has been making this type of video for going on 10 years lol, I feel like rock and metal is actually in a better place than it was in the mid to late 2010's when rap was truly at its zenith in both the commercial, underground and internet scenes.

[@tspawn35]

It's also BS. Rock ain't dea or boring. It's idiots who are stuck in the past going "music was so much better before." You ask them how they find music. They don't. So they have literally no idea that new songs are being released all the time. It drives me crazy.

[@brostoevsky22]

The problem there's no local music scene to support. Bars and clubs still pay bands like it's the 90s. Music has gone from a respected career to a hobby.

[@jg3000]

Not exactly. You have boring corporate radio. And then you'll find gems on youtube. But there is a problem with bands not knowing how to stand out. And there is a sea of those bands that make you think. "Nothing special." But if you are not looking you're going to be stuck with the old and boring corporate radio.

[@Suburbannite]

Finn just made this video and dipped lmaooo

[@JellyBeanz2018]

Finn has left the building

[@IsaiahAldridge-t5d]

Yep he stated that he doesn’t care about music

[@SamuelGalvan_]

In hindsight, this is very clearly a “final thoughts” video, it summarizes everything this channel had to say, wraps it and puts a bow on it

[@chrisjr1247]

First year or so was cool

[@crona1794]

I recently joined a band who was in the market for a lead singer. First night, we hung out in the lead guitarists home studio (a super gnarly space that literally made my head spin) and he showed me some of the bands older material. It was good stuff; well produced and structured, but it was indistinguishable from just about any other post hardcore group. He expressed to me that he wanted to completely revamp the bands style, so I was excited to get started. He showed me some demos that he was thinking about pulling ahead with...and it was just more of the same stuff. The same break downs, the same general chord ideas, the same noodley verse riffs. I'm afraid we're just going to turn into another black t-shirt/skinny black jeans wearing modern post hardcore group. A band with no discernible qualities. I feel like this is the baseline for most modern rock bands.

[@jonjonjonjonjonjonjon]

If you want to freshen things up, then don’t look for a hardcore vocalist - look for someone from an entirely different genre that is open to experimenting and mixing their stylings with your music.

[@karmaandkerosene_music]

I'm sick of screaming vocalists.

[@rjfd5028]

You're basically injecting and accepting stagnation when your ideas are rooted in what you don't want to become. You can't grow when the seed you plant has restrictions and boundaries rooted in fear of direction. Erase the thought of what you don't want to become and just start jammin together. Sitting and thinking too much about it goes nowhere. Motion sparks motivation which organically leads to innovation as long as everyone's energy is boundary less and you'll feel it when it happens. Either your band will shred or suck but as of right now all we know is what it isn't.

[@antenna7002]

Maybe you could get some influence from other genre you like like e.g EDM drum patterns and things of that nature

[@alexgrunde6682]

The harsh truth is that there is still room in rock for innovation and pushing cultural boundaries. The problem is that the rock scene, both fans and artists, mostly don’t want to innovate. The prevailing attitude is, everything peaked from the 60’s to the 90’s (maybe early aughts), any deviation from that is heresy, the only thing left to do is fawn over the good old days. It’s not the attitude of a living, breathing culture, it’s the attitude of a museum curator. That’s why we get Greta Van Fleet. Rock fans can complain all they want about them, but rap, hip hop, EDM, those are genres people still innovate in and want to say something new. Ironically, the genre that was birthed out of disregarding the rules is now chained to its own self-imposed rules that keep it in the past.

[@228-n6f]

You kinda sum up about Harmless Dave from the Real Music Observer expect that he’s stuck in the 70’s and 80’s. Most rockists hate the 90’s and 2000’s.

[@AndrewScott1337]

Rap and EDM produce just as much derivative garbage as any other scene

[@KyleReeseCel2029]

Your claim that rap, and EDM still innovate. They produce mostly shit just like every other genre. Shit that isn't that different from the shit before it. It's worse.

[@TheJordan75]

Yep, fully agree. Metalheads despise anything out of the norm. That's why there hasn't been a new genre in what? Over 15 years? As much as I like them, when bands like Vended are replicating the exact same thing their dads did 20 years ago, that really speaks volumes about the state of the metal scene.

[@lb9029]

I listen to all those styles, but hiphop/EDM being innovative? How? Maybe with the exception of acts like clipping., I don't hear much innovation in those genres either. It's just really commercially attractive. Also, when it comes to rock, let me just drop Zeal & Ardor and Imperial Triumphant here. I don't hear that kind of innovation in hiphop etc., or at least, not without looking hard.

[@Tephomab]

anyone who says rock and metal are boring/out of ideas is only listening to spotify. algorithms on the streaming platforms actively prevent you from finding things that are actually new, because these algorithms have no way of knowing if something new is good or not, without having something nearly the same to compare it against.

[@punter1]

💡

[@paraphiliac]

And now we dont have the few limited sources of music we used to have that would only play the same making them known by everyone. Nearly every channel or station that played heavier rock/metal was playing NIN, Korn, Slipknot, Slayer, Metallica etc making sure pretty much everyone heard about them. Now you can talk to 10 different people listening to heavier bands and you may not have heard of anything theyve started listening to and vice versa. Its not that they arent out there. They just dont always get that big following that some older bands got when there was a handful of good easily accessible sources for music. Although it is probably a bit easier to get a smaller cult following than it ever was.

[@CyborgWolf]

What a hack.

[@davidcauley9400]

Honestly his "admission" is a reaaalllly psychopathic look for him. What an empty and soulless cvnt. I kinda hate him now. I certainly have no respect left for him or his behaviour. Also: "low vibration people". HUGE narcissistic red flag term there. What a hilarious pseud.

[@WaveGazer]

He definitely gives off sociopath vibes. All he cares about is himself...doesn't care what he does to other people.

[@FlawedCoil82]

There are many reasons contributing to this. For one, music going digital has been a double edged sword. On one hand you have unknown bands getting exposed to audiences they never could have had access to before. But on the other hand, there is so many choices that it becomes overwhelming the amount of bands people can support. There is no major focus. Mainstream music record labels consider rock/metal music as being “too risky/too much effort to produce”, so they no longer care to promote them. It is not as easily reproduced with minimal effort in the same way pop, country and rap music is. For whatever reason, fans of country, rap or pop music NEVER EVER get bored gulping down the exact same repackaged schlop over and over and over and over and over again. Yet rock/metal fans do get bored. Even when they find a band they claim to love, they have this frustrating need for the band to keep “evolving” their sound. If they change their sound too much, they alienate fans who don’t want a new sound (Silverchair, Metallica, 30 Seconds To Mars, Linkin Park, etc.), but if they don’t evolve their sound enough (Nickelback, Creed, Seether, etc.), many fans get bored and accuse them of “releasing the same album over and over”. Another inescapable fact is that many rock music fans are VERY stubborn. I used to try to promote new bands with similar sounds to bands people already like, yet it is easier to herd feral cats in a dark barn than it is to get fans to willingly give two precious minutes of their lives to give the unknown bands a chance. Another infuriating trait is that fans love certain sounds their favorite bands produce, yet they don’t like any other bands to give that similar sound. They are automatically “copycat bands”. For example, I love Tool and I want as many new bands as possible who can give me that sound (Source, Wheel, Atonian, Trope, Soen, etc.) since Tool simply doesn’t produce new music often enough to satisfy my thirst. But most Tool fans have no interest in listening to bands who sound similar to Tool (or they ignorantly assume that bands like Chevelle or Deftones is as close to Tool as bands can get). Legacy bands are another problem. They are (often) mediocre bands who simply had the luxury of being promoted during a time when mainstream music labels still took the rock & metal genre seriously. And those are the only bands many fans care about or focus on. And usually only “their hits”. When legacy bands try to create or play new songs, the audience doesn’t care; they just want the hits played. Of course, you touched on some other things I agree with, but yea there are many reasons I believe that the rock/metal genre is dying, and both the industry and the fans are to blame.

[@AbabBahah-qm4lo]

I'm new to metal and these legacy bands or I should say, staple bands are everywhere. They only recommend the same album. I want something. Idk, unique stuff? Their personal favorite?

[@dillon1058]

So this is how it ends, not with a bang, but with a whimper. Pretty bold of you to admit with a straight face that you're inauthentic to your fanbase, I guess that's what happens when you put quantity of bills over quality of content.

[@lespaulnasty31]

Man what a bummer of misinformation to go out on. Some of the best rock and metal I’ve heard in years came out this year.

[@robertmichaelhoffman1992]

I think everyone is kind of missing the common factor here: the way people listen to music and learn of new music has changed. There's no MTV or radio with record labels fighting for your attention, it's been replaced by spotify playlists and a million small acts. There's plenty of interesting acts in all genres, but there's much less space in the pop culture sphere. Since there's less space in that pop culture sphere, labels and spotify bet on the safe music the same way movie studios gravitate towards endless superhero movies. There's interesting stuff out there but it's not hitting the mainstream unless the paradigm shifts.

[@tropiq]

this right here is a huge component of it, music as a whole has been diluted in some ways ( % of innovation ) and more concentrated in others ( curated spotify playlists, betting on safe stuff ), recording music has probably never been easier in history and there are a ton of one person projects that push things, you just have to go more out of you way to find them and the proverbial boat got so big that they won't be able to rock it if you pardon the pun, also this is happening to entertainment at large, movies, tv shows, video games you name it

[@lb9029]

Don't forget that there are still very large labels, running very expensive campaigns, it's just that now the medium is Spotify, KZbin, Insta, etc. etc.

[@interpr3t]

Came to the comments to say this, but it would have been nowhere near as awesome as you said it.

[@inthetreetopz]

so how could it shift?

[@antenna7002]

I think TikTok is where people are discovering music from the most nowadays as well as these streamers that bring other artists on their streams

[@cjt7479]

Always saw your videos recommended, I am so glad I never clicked on em. Would have been a waste of time. Good riddance.

[@BigOwl51]

As someone who preferred the second channel over the main one, I highly doubt you don’t enjoy music or find it interesting, unless you’ve been an Oscar worthy actor this whole time. It’s very obvious that you had some level of passion

[@matthewsommerville88]

Yea I agree, I wonder if he’s trolling or something. If he really doesn’t love alternative music than he’s a sociopath because he was VERY convincing

[@michealrosen]

I used to think his main channel was information on bands and opinions while his alt channel was his real views on the band's, since he would say more on his alt channel, but now I just think it was part of his cash grab.

[@tbtron]

Grift McKenty the poser of all posers.

[@RandySiplon]

Fake McPhoney

[@cirkuslizard8697]

This isn’t an original idea, but metal is now jazz. Incredible amount of players, but barely any new movements. It grew and progressed so fast, there is nowhere to go now.

[@salgadev]

@@cirkuslizard8697 no

[@CelestialWoodway]

They need to work on writing good songs with a catchy guitar riff again.

[@salgadev]

@@CelestialWoodway there are whole genres of catchy metal, you just don't have good enough taste to know them

[@SmokebongSchwammkopf]

@@CelestialWoodway even if it that came back, we'd be stuck in the same rut.

[@DraQinn]

There's a lot of people that think a band like Wilderun is a band making metal interesting again and evolving it, but I'm not really that fond of it. Either way, there's ALWAYS music out there that mainstream radio doesn't know or care about, and usually that's the place where we can begin to look for interesting new talent. MTV wouldn't play anything off Korn's first two albums, because they're less mainstream.

[@theneverwas2835]

The Music space is far too large today for any one genre to hold the top spot. You have to balance that with the music that the media companies force on us as much as they can.

[@erixwithanx]

@@theneverwas2835 thats a very good point

[@ssssssstssssssss]

I don't agree. I hear Spotify Top 10 stuff all the time at the gym and it seems to all come from just a couple genres: pop country, pop rap, and singer-songwriter pop. Most of it is pretty monotonous. Nothing completely dominating per se, but when has one genre completely dominated?

[@thedevilsadvocate5210]

A 22 minute video about boring music is boring

[@MrGrombie]

This channel is boring and here is why. The host quit giving a damn about the community. But it's all good. Money comes and goes. People remember these actions the next time you start a channel.

[@OngoGablogian487]

this channel was never good, dudes a scrub

[@TheRealMrAndrew]

He never gave a damn about the community. If he did, he wouldn’t have lied.

[@ninjeff]

Rock and metal lost their influence when the fans of such genres started confusing "difficulty" with "good". In my opinion.

[@simondavies109]

Good point.

[@Goose21]

#staytech

[@brentwilliams5915]

I absolutely agree . A lot of shredding going on but not a single hook riff that gets stuck in your head .

[@joshuafult84]

@@brentwilliams5915 Yup lots of these rock/metal dudes think technicality = good. Composing good songs isn't just playing technical parts.

[@adamimberti6948]

Thay happened in the 80's too but there was still room for bands to come along with passion and something to say that put those bands in their proper context. I don't think that is true anymore. There's good bands out there but there's nothing groundbreaking, interesting or culturally significant being made anymore. It could be that I'm wrong and have aged out of getting really excited about music but I really don't think that I am.

[@RestrainingHollywood]

When Foo Fighters are literally the Most Popular Rock Band in the Game you know it's dead. HipHop is at its absolute Worst too. Post Modern Pop Culture is Trash. From Music to Movies to Art. Its uninspiring & lowkey depressing..

[@whois3581]

I've said the same for a long while. If rock kept growing, the Foo would've been done at least 10yrs ago. As mentioned with the "legacy bands", it's a shame that's all we have to still hold on to. I can even still like and respect some of them that are still making new music, but it's a sad state when that's pretty much all there is to still hold on to. Personally I've been digging and branching out to more music around the world, to even more electronic and somewhat pop that I typically didn't think I'd ever go for. There are some interesting things out there, it's just buried in tiny little pockets, spread out and mostly overshadowed by way too much trash that muddies the waters.

[@raphaellall6270]

@@whois3581 I never looked at it that way!! The reason why the 30 and 40 year old bands are still around is because there are no new replacements. The question is when they're all dead and gone in 10 years, who going to replace the old bands?...

[@whois3581]

@@raphaellall6270 If nothing changes then all we'll have to look forward to is Limp Bizkit, My Chemical romance and munford and sons doing reunion/farewell shows and touring like kiss and the rolling stones in thier last days at 70yrs old. Except they probably won't be selling out stadiums, but instead play small festivals and county fairs, and that's when we'll know that rock is officially in the grave.

[@Busbybeats]

I agree 100%!

[@wandabhala8516]

❤

[@kylepickus5712]

I was a frequent viewer of Punk Rock MBA. I am more annoyed than anything. The way he portrayed himself wasn’t like most music commentary channels. He GENUINELY PORTRAYED HIMSELF AS A FAN. While many commentators were more knowledgeable about music theory, technicalities, and what sounded good, he portrayed himself as a person in tune with the culture, and even engaged with the underground on occasion. I thought he was being authentic. He made multiple videos of him being “vulnerable” about his autism, and not feeling like he measured up to people he considered his peers. He was selectively authentic in order to keep you there, but every ounce of him was actually inauthentic. I didn’t realize the red flags like him constantly talking about how he would do more content on hardcore punk, but it “didn’t do as well” because of viewership, and that he constantly downplayed the concept of “selling out.” How he avoided talking about political punk, and never gave props to left-wing sentiments in punk. His praising of “Henry Rollins’ grind” was also a big red flag I decided to overlook. F*** punk rock mba.

[@zachary_attackery]

Wake up, literally everyone else on KZbin is doing the same thing. How have you people not realized this yet? This is like saying "I thought the waitress at Hooters REALLY liked me!"

[@mercuryshadow09]

@@zachary_attackery you seem to have some skin in this game the way you're commenting...Finn??

[@dougdupont6134]

If you think he's inauthentic then why believe his "I don't like music" line? It's an obvious lie. You don't make zines 25 years ago as a grift. He very clearly enjoys music, but, like most old people, he prefers the shit he listened to when he was young and you can't make a living off that.

[@ojgsk8ter]

@@zachary_attackery there’s a difference between having a stage persona and personality that is more performative than your usual self while you’re on camera and being completely disingenuous. There are definitely a lot of creators - especially small ones that don’t have much financial incentive to keep going, who really care about the content they’re making. There are literally millions of KZbinrs. Of course some are frauds like Finn but it’s crazy to assume that every one of those millions of people is a disingenuous fraud who’s only making content for the money. It simply doesn’t make sense from a statistical standpoint. Even when creators are motivated by money and chase trends to keep their channel alive that doesn’t mean they don’t care about their content at all in a more personal or genuine sense. People aren’t that simple. It’s possible to really care about your content while also being motivated by money. In Finn’s case it seems like he was only motivated by money and didn’t care at all.

[@zachary_attackery]

@@ojgsk8ter All the people saying this also thought this guy was on of the "real" ones

[@frailgeek]

lying about your “passion” for years, real punk rock of you

[@josephbenham649]

We’ve finally reached the point where everything that’s been worth doing has been done. Only took 2,024 years

[@jeanpitre5789]

Simpsons did it!

[@jake100xx]

its because the industry wants influencers and models, rather than people who are actually talented or innovative

[@mcwildstyle9106]

That's true, and I think it's mostly because of the rise of apps like Tik Tok. Because if you think about it, there aren't really "band's" anymore. I mean I'm sure there are, but they are mostly overshadowed by solo artists and Tiktoker's who now mean music. Not saying that is really a bad thing, but it just feels...ehhhh.

[@pickles224]

@@jake100xx again… the music industry ultimately does not decide who is popular. The people do. Yes, the industry does take talentless TikTok influencers and pushes their music onto the charts every once and while… but those artists suck, and their careers mostly tank after a hit or two. There are plenty more pop-stars who are legitimate talented songwriters and started their careers on TikTok simply by their own, already-existing music going viral. I don’t know why this is so hard to understand.

[@jake100xx]

​@@pickles224 You are talking to someone who literally studied this at university and is involved with the industry. What I said is 100% true and I've seen it play out over the past 5 years in particular, going viral is not a reliable method of success for the overwhelming majority of artists, regardless of their ability as a musician or songwriter. Before production techniques evolved, you actually had to be the real deal cause you would be burning money and tape otherwise.

[@pickles224]

@ may be, but you figure the opposite is true as well. Forcing popstars into the a-list doesn’t work a lot of the time, because talent and innovation are meaningless in the music industry if you don’t have the charisma to sell it. That probably wasn’t as true in the 80’s and 90’s as it was now, but my argument still stands. It doesn’t matter if the industry focuses their attention on influencers and models; the mainstream will ultimately always reject them if the music isn’t there.

[@jake100xx]

@@pickles224 The music literally isn't there to back it up though. I think what you are talking about is the production, even artists as successful as michael jackson, or billie eilish would be nothing if the production was a low quality. But yeah you are right thats definitely nothing new, it's just the actual standard of musical ability is at an all time low. Rock and Rap is awful now, rap in particular has so many fake artists with dumbass lyrics and no musical bone in their body. Guys like Lil Peep, xtentacion ect... no talent whatsoever in my opinion. Modern Rock is lame af with no attitude

[@Graveyard_Horror]

"I dont like Music"

[@Shizl_Gzngahr]

😂

[@scootaymildo1070]

Odd choice to just crash and burn the channel imo. Should have just done the "I'm going on an indefinite hiatus to spend time with the fam". Like, isn’t his wife getting a bit old for him? What if he gets divorced, loses half his stuff and needs to find another high schooler to marry? How's he going to make his money then? Short term thinking my guy! Not very MBA of you!

[@damnhippies4519]

It’s not that it’s boring, it’s the simple fact that social media gatekeeps talented musicians from ever having a successful career in music, it’s not talent based anymore. It’s about how many followers you have.

[@tan-jello]

There are a couple music channels that post all these albums from around the world, made by bands throughout the 70s (arguably one of the greatest decades for ROCK) that you've never heard of. I've listened to so many of those albums and omg, how the hell did ANYONE think the majority of them were anything but crap. Like the worst bands and songs and music... So amateur and dull.

[@SmokebongSchwammkopf]

LITERALLY KZbin and Instagram watering down Ichika. He did something so new and fresh, but he doesn't do anything interesting anymore because he got bills to pay.

[@SmokebongSchwammkopf]

@@tan-jello this is true. people nostalgic for the 70s and 80s completely ignore that massive amount of dogshit that those decades produced despite also being some of the best times for rock and metal.

[@JB-lp9xr]

@SmokebongSchwammkopf - As someone who was a teenage in the 80s, I can verify that 75 percent of the music in the 80s was crap. But nobody remembers the crap, they just remember the good stuff.

[@MaxxTrajan]

you might have aa point there, ya damn jock.

[@Himegyaru-q5o]

I might be wrong but is anyone not shocked by this news his whole channel felt like that for a long time lol

[@scootaymildo1070]

Glad there's some other non-gullible folks out here. I blocked his fake ass like 2 years ago!

[@davidkline4372]

​@@scootaymildo1070same here. There was some video he made a few years ago that set my red flag flying and since then I tuned him out. He's a book smart guy but something he said made me realize he wasn't legit.

[@Mob-Inc]

Ik he was a poser, when in one of his videos he said his favorite genre was pop. So yeah fuck em lol

[@spinvestigator]

You almost have to appreciate the level of grifting this guy managed to get away with. Like, he had us all fooled for so long. But a poseur will always expose themselves on a long enough timeline, and this fraud is no exception. The irony is how far from actual Punk he truly turned out to be.

[@user-pz2lb1lq5m]

I’ve had a weird theory about this for a while. Part of this idea stems from my own experience writing music, but essentially I think that young musicians and bands nowadays think more about showing their music to their families and friends for validation, rather than risking showing the world something new and authentic. What I mean by that is that we listen to music, love the way something sounds and wish we wrote it, and then turn around and come up with an idea “inspired” heavily by it and can’t wait to prove to those around us how great we sound. To our family and friends that don’t know better it’s amazing, you sound like you could be on the radio, but to the scene as a whole you’re just another copy and paste.

[@goregore6259]

Makes a lot of sense. Me personally, I'd like the validation but at the same time. I write and play to be heard. Recently, I'm starting to play shows when I can. I don't write from inspiration, if I do, it sucks the point of writing for me. So, feeling is everything, especially when coming up with chords, riffs, and so forth.

[@vvx600]

I guess? What i try making is to not be heavily inspired but morso built off the joy of creation and love for the music that inspires me

[@jonathanmarkham1998]

A lot of truth in here, but you could apply this point to the vast majority of bands and artists that are revered. I bet you would find bands you like even come from this place if you read into it enough.

[@alexkier7429]

I'm no musician, not even close, but I've had a similar thought for a while now. Every new band that appears on my social media is showing their music by plastering a whole lot of "if you like (at least five bands)" or "for fans of (like three bands, usually sleep token gets included)" which is just ??? that tells me literally nothing about your band, if I like those bands I'll go and listen to them 😭 Or their blurb in Spotify or their website name drops at least 10 musicians and/or bands.... that have nothing to do with them, they're just trying to reach as many people as possible showing off absolutely nothing about them as artists nor the topics that inspire them, there's no substance other than showing off... so I've been listening to the same bands as always with the few newer groups that catch my attention

[@kingjoseph5901]

There's definitely ground breaking bands out here but ya gotta dig

[@michealrosen]

Korn, slipknot, limpbizkit, deftones these are bands i saw many times in festivals in the 90s, same bands in festivals today, thats the problem, nobody is letting new bands hit the big stage so they go unnoticed.

[@IzunaSlap]

People still can't get over Metallica or Tool either

[@shawklan27]

​@IzunaSlap I frankly can't stand Metallica because of how they are always the defacto choice to add metal music in mainstream media. Like guys there's much more you could choose from besides them and AC/DC 🙄

[@joshuafult84]

Yeah but the festival aren't going to hire new bands to play if they can't sell enough tickets

[@DNT87]

I think this goes back to monoculture again. In the past the delivery method for music was smaller, we had Mtv or the radio. Labels could take chances on more obscure artists that were maybe outside the prepackaged norm knowing that if anything they’d probably recoup their investment, and best case they’d discover the next big trend if people took a liking to it. These days with music, and film, it seems like taking a chance on something new is too big of a risk, so they play it safe and serve what they know will sell. There are thousands of artists making revolutionary music right this minute, but because of ease of access to recording and distribution they become buried in a sea of saturation that’s really hard to sift through.

[@denislemieux4915]

The monopolization of the arts industries has also played a role. Less competition in the market place. There's no longer 100's of labels or small movie studios, there's like 10. They have no reason to innovate or take risks. They just need to make their shareholders happy.

[@KyleReeseCel2029]

Sorry but where is the proof of this revolutionary music?

[@Connorb2008]

Well now you need to take a chance on the revolutionary, obscure artists. Today you won't be spoon fed artists that don't appease the lowest common denominator. Today you have to traverse the Internet, go to a record shop and/or check out your local scene to find music that fits your niche.

[@mcwildstyle9106]

I think it also goes back to the internet. Because like you said, back then the method's for music was smaller and we lived in a era where we controlled technology. Now 20 to 30 years later, we have a algorithm that is just basically giving us something with the push of the button. There's no room in being creative because we are not given toom to be creative anymore unless you go to countries outside of the West.

[@kajuiceboi3592]

Finn wanted to be the no.1 music know-it-all, but realised the internet's full of them, which annoys him, so he created cynical persona that he calls "anti-gatekeeping", shit taking people he probably saw his younger stuff in, resorting to basically saying "that thing people are really in to, actually that's shit and you're shit person for being into it", and eventually, he got bored. - Gary Larry Barry

[@tomislavkuna2265]

Gojira just played the Olympics.

[@PieknyWojtek]

Yeah, that's cool but that won't have any impact on music industry or on popculture. It was just fun 1 minute act, that nobody other than metal fans will remember in few months.

[@glennross85]

And no one noticed.

[@agm8088]

marrying metal forever with that very gay olympics ceremony

[@The92Waffles]

@@agm8088 metal doesn't deserve success if thats going to be yalls takeaway from that

[@n.e.7647]

Gojira is way passed their prime, bro. The most culturally relevant metal at the moment is probably black metal, because the black metal scene got a good bit of attention from hipsters and the emo rap community, but that peaked in like 2017. There's still plenty of great rock and metal music, but it's not really relevant within the context of mainstream pop culture anymore, although that's probably not as bad as it sounds because mainstream pop culture has always been kind of boring. Too be fair, I don't think there's been much innovation in electronic music, rap, or pop music either. The music the public is listening to hasn't really changed a whole lot since the early 2000s. We are in a period of cultural and musical stagnation. How long that will last is anyone's guess.

[@gbrl433]

because “mainstream” doesn’t exist anymore. People are finding their spaces in niche circles and spreading that way. there’s also a lot of guys here screaming because they aren’t in tune with what’s actually happening among the youth

[@AutumnRed]

agree, and the video poster here is one of them, just because he cannot find what he think is the right way to make rock he thinks there is nothing going on or to do at all, but as someone who isn't the youngest either I can say there is still a lot of great music nowadays, including rock, much better than a lot of bands this guy praises in his videos, they just aren't the focus and those old bands weren't that great at all either, they had the support of big companies but their music was often not that great at all

[@jumbothompson]

Yes exactly. I'm also one of those people not in tune with what's going on. I do like newer bands if i happen to find something by accident but it most likely won't be anything mainstream.

[@SOLROX_]

When punk blew up, it was because everything had become so oversaturated and stuff (as you said), but now, it’s also boring and pretty oversaturated. I think we’re in the ballpark for a new punk or something revolution. One day soon, one day…

[@sd5458]

Exactly, same with grunge. That's why I love music so much. Everything is new again at some point but also you can't keep creativity down. Genres will ALWAYS reinvent themselves, it usually starts with ONE person or ONE band.

[@infera666]

Exactly. Old people like us like old rock music. But new one is running off on me aswell.

[@jonjonjonjonjonjonjon]

And the thing is that the “new punk” won’t sound anything like the punk we’ve heard. It won’t have any ties to the original or mainstream punk music. It’ll be its own new thing and will be punk in spirit. If it happens.

[@TheOnlyPedroGameplays]

@@jonjonjonjonjonjonjonand because of that it’ll get a lot of negative attention, which will ironically strengthen the punk effect until it becomes the counterculture

[@doombiamusica]

It does feel like the time is ripe for another punk/metal breakthrough

[@RappinAcoustic]

This KZbinr is as real as a three dollar bill y'all.....

[@adamyahya4638]

Bedroom/youtube musicians have taken over the rock space. Tons of amazing talent and virtuosity but they aren't forming bands or really doing anything noteworthy other than creating "content" which is different than creating music.

[@davemac9563]

That’s kinda what art has morphed into. Just content. Movies. Games. Music. It’s like we hit a plateau.

[@mattboyer3385]

Someone coined the term "Desktop metal"

[@devilsoffspring5519]

KZbin is sporting massive amounts of playing ability. Tons of exceptional players online. What none of them can do is WRITE anything worth playing, they do nothing but play incredibly well-done covers with extreme skill in duplicating somebody else's playing style. Writing is where it' at and there's none of it. Everyone can play their ass off, nobody knows how to put three or four chords together and write a decent 2- or 3-minute song.

[@jeremyvandress3357]

Yep solo artists in their spare room recording band songs without a band

[@Del_987]

Yeah that’s some upper left quadrant stuff. Please show me one saying something other than “look at how I produced this or how good I am at guitar”

[@PiMpiNx187]

Its not just rock and metal. Hip hop and rap are also dead.

[@hunterdelaghetto]

Definitely not. Underground / Street rap artists produced very compelling albums in the last 5.

[@standardbrah]

JID...J Cole... Denzel Curry...

[@buckbreaker5185]

@@hunterdelaghetto lol no not music

[@hunterdelaghetto]

@@standardbrah sure but I was thinking more like .. Boldy James, Estee Nack and Cavalier

[@joshuafult84]

Hip Hop and Rap are definitely over saturated but it's not dead at all lol

[@sonictemple2925]

I think the main problem for music as a whole is the way it’s consumed now. When artists have to continually release music to stay relevant instead of being able to have a solid touring cycle and then time to actually write and develop a concept and execute it. Artists are pressured to release songs that I believe would not of seen the light of day 20-30 years ago. Also artists struggle to make a living from music so the. You factor in stuff like having a job to pay bills. I think it’s refreshing to see more genre blending. Also there are multiple non mainstream genres seeing a lot of success right now and could see them becoming even more popular because the bands blowing up are great bands with great people in them. They are definitely bands that will spend time with fans and make people want to support them even more.

[@jaimyyelvingtonmusic]

If this guy has taught me anything throughout the coarse of watching his videos, it's that I should always trust my gut when it comes to people.

[@greyghostdesigns]

Extremely dissappointed. You were one of my favorite channels. Was the money really worth it man? To be remembered as one of the most manipulative creators, definitely within this space?

[@CaptHiltz]

Music is just too fragmented and that probably won't change. Gone are the days when everyone listened to the same one or two radio stations playing the same songs over and over again. That's how a lot of artists blew up.

[@barkon34]

It's also how the vast majority of really creative music came to be, from people wanting to rebel against what was popular at the time.

[@ViolettaX-gp8qk]

RIP BOZO your channel always sucked glad it's over 😂

[@Ladtyuven223]

The main reason why the Emo Rap scene fluttered away, is because most of its most influential artists that were innovative in the genre, the real ones that made it interesting…died. It’s a sad truth.

[@dewanewelch1744]

Sounds almost like what happened with grudge. Both genres were spearheaded by very emotional, lost, troubled, gifted, talented, unsober individuals. We lost alot of them in a attempt to find thyself and got lost in drugs and depression.

[@zacharyengle4256]

​@@dewanewelch1744I mean grunge at least had decent second wave bands or post-grunge whichever you prefer. Nickelback, Seether, Creed, Skillet, Godsmack, Staind, etc. Only good emo rap I can name are songs like "The Diary" and "Knife Called Lust" by Hollywood Undead. But really those are more like "proto-emo rap", they're from 2008 and combined hip-hop with emo/screamo/alt rock/post-hardcore.

[@toneohm]

Wtf is rap emo? Sounds awful lol

[@michaelegan3522]

@@zacharyengle4256 all the post-grunge bands you mentioned are terrible. That "second wave" moved the sound of grunge into the bottom left corner of the chart in this video: formally boring and conceptually uninteresting. Commercial rock

[@michaelmalone7231]

@@michaelegan3522 What do you get when you put metalcore, nu-metal and post grunge in a blender? You guessed it, "BUTT ROCK!"

[@erixwithanx]

I think the problem is social media. People would rather follow people and podcasts than actually go out and see live acts. There are tons of live acts that are still selling out places. And up here in New England there is a really big underground music scene. There are tons of great shows every weekend. But the problem is people aren’t coming as much as they used to because they’d rather stay home.there’s a lot for Band to say these days. Just last weekend one place was holding hip-hop and R&B, another one had metal, and one place even did a street where each house had a different band playing. It was pretty cool.

[@erixwithanx]

I probably didn’t totally get to what I was saying in that last statement. My point was each place I went to each band had something to say and it was pretty interesting. And there is still those who pushed the boundaries of music. The thing is, they’re just not asexposed as they probably should be

[@xenos_n.]

Yeah I think what he forgot to mention is how social media and tech has completely changed the scene. There's still a lot more that can be done with rock, I just think there's a lot less people trying to be so bold as to try something fresh than there used to be.

[@jmacg610]

I agree

[@808slumps]

Nobody would “rather stay home” EDM shows and festivals are more popular than ever and selling out in every state. That is just cope to say that

[@dynamicascension981]

Social media and the rest of the internet is destroying the creative mind. Probably driving down the collective IQ also.

[@johndadrumman]

The stomp clap hey stuff wasn't rock. It was folk. Even in the woodstock era, there was a divide between the folk and rock crowds.

[@michealrosen]

Goodluck promoting your linkedin stuff, just wait till people look into your past success and find you untrustworthy

[@samweis9254]

the argument doesn´t make sense for one single reason: the lack of new ideas does not only apply to this genre but to music industry as a whole. Hence, it cannot in and by itself explain the lack of popularity of one specific genre.

[@blackpiranaha525]

You're right in the way that nobody has done anything new, it's probably because it's hard to do anything new when nearly anything has been done before. Today is the hardest it's ever been to be creatively original.

[@tavisbalkin4564]

The internet killed the concept of originality.

[@caseyjones3522]

its really not hard to do something new, but for it to get mainstream and get normies into it that is the challenge.

[@SouthsideWilly]

You just need to look at the comment sections on posts about new artists from rock media like Kerrang to see why bands are either not pushing boundaries, or they are but are being ignored. It's full of ageist rock 'fans' bashing new young artists based on a photo because they dress differently, smart arse comedians asking "who?" rather than clicking on the article and listening to the music, or just flat out zero engagement. These people aren't interested in discovering new music, they want more of what they like and nothing else. And as much as they hate to admit it, any innovation is most likely going to be seen from the younger acts, not the legacy ones. I think this is one of the unfortunate side effects of easy internet access and social media...the low attention span everyone has now prevents them from being open to trying new things. They want that reliable dopamine hit and they want it now. We need the audience to slow down and take risks before we can expect the artists to do the same. Obviously some already are, but they're harder to find when the trolls are telling the algorithm that nobody wants to see it 🤷‍♂

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

This is a HUGE factor

[@SouthsideWilly]

@@ThePunkRockMBA We need a new internet era where we wake up and realise what we're missing out on! We also need the old men in denim vests to stop shouting at clouds and let the progress in 😂

[@ShashankAkella]

"They want that reliable dopamine hit and they want it now." Wow, well said!

[@stevenhowes530]

I used to play a game when watching older music... How long before someone says "they don't make music like this anymore" I don't see it as much now, It's been replaced by "No autotune, just talent"

[@SBRemotes]

Sorry, just wrong. We grew up when the record companies were taking chances. They just stopped caring and let the computers figure out what makes money. Eventually everything sounds the same. Fresh energy and originality is returning to rock through bands like the Warning an Freeze the Fall. All young people who developed themselves as independent bands. The Warning turned down Disney and all record deals for six year😢s before finally getting a deal with creative independence. Going to a Warning show next month. They are legendary.

[@2megapixxel]

What a poser! I praised and admired your content for years just for you to pull the rug on us.

[@zachary_attackery]

stop idolizing youtubers, haven't you figured out yet that literally everyone on here is doing the same thing? lol none of them "care" about anything, its all just clickbait garbage

[@tomleek7395]

My kid went to go see Green Day and Rancid this weekend. He said it was hard to take the anti-establishment pose seriously. Which is fair. We're just Democrats now and that's ok. 90s punk won. Your mom isn't making you to go to church now.

[@Bbbbq2]

It’s kind of tough to take someone singing about how the American dream is killing him seriously while he’s sitting on a $100 million.

[@metalman_j]

Yep, and ironically if you want to really piss your mom off you go listen to conservative stuff instead.

[@Heathennation1976]

I wouldn't dare go to a Green Day show nowadays can't believe anything Billy Joel says biggest hypocrite in wannabe punk rock

[@dp1381]

Recent history has shown that most punks from the 80s aren’t anti-establishment free-thinking anarchists at all. They only opposed the establishment when it was dominated by conservatives. With progressives in power, they are all for big government and just whine about corporations and Trump. They are and always were envious communist conformists who were just mad at the world because they wanted the power to impose their ideas on everyone else.

[@frankmiller4550]

Glad you didn't say liberal. You're Neo-Conservatives now. I think George W Bush won.

[@KeyOfGeebz]

I think another lean to your topic IMO is also the current engineering (purified guitar tones and compressed drum kits) is where there is a "sounds a lot like" vibe regardless of the musicianship and arrangement abilities.

[@skullthunder3181]

This video feels like “if metal isn’t top 10 billboard it’s because it’s boring” which is such a stupid conclusion. There’s tons of great bands coming out making challenging innovative music they’re just not big because the nature of the genre deters mainstream attention. The idea that metal needs to “survive” in the mainstream in order to exist is just blatantly false. There’s literally an endless amount of genres and micro categories of metal music that you could explore endlessly but you cherry pick the most surface level bands to go “see! Nothing new is happening!”

[@Hydekollinz]

You're changing the goal post

[@skullthunder3181]

@@Hydekollinz how? Many people are also saying the same thing as me here

[@HailTheApocalypse]

Metal doesn't need to be mainstream. It was doing just fine being underground.

[@XueYlva]

​@@HailTheApocalypse that's what dude was saying brother

[@93truewill]

just say you have low standards

[@YaBoyJRock42069]

Glad you're gone Finn 😁

[@artyfowl444]

For those that don't know - this is Finn's last video on the channel. He's moving on from KZbin ):

[@Szczauqa]

he's starting only fans or going back to a traditional job?

[@artyfowl444]

@@Szczauqa He may have an announcement video about the end of the channel, but he's said in his Discord that he's only going to be posting on LinkedIn going forward. He wants to focus on growing businesses I think

[@davidbonar5190]

@@Szczauqa not long and onlyfans will be a traditional job :D

[@SupaSavage24]

I’ll believe it if/when he announces it

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

I’m not going to announce it, what would be the point of that?

[@reverb508]

We just think music sucks now because monoculture is dead. There are plenty of great artists today, but none of them are taking the world by storm like they might have in decades past. Blame the internet, blame Spotify, blame TikTok. The world is at our fingertips and we’re worse off for it. The mystery is gone.

[@addkite]

For sure, "The world is at our fingertips" means artists just don't have the ability anymore to ponder, reflect, do tons of drugs, sink into stupor and then come out with a brilliant new concept or whatever. We just need a little push from climate change crisis, we need more pain, more despair, less internet time, and then, maybe then, creativity will come back

[@Kered-9]

I am finding the most new music now than I have at any other time in my life, I'm 43. I'm finding new bands I like as well as new music by bands I've been following for 5, 10, 20+ years.

[@VDutATx]

I feel like a couple of trends have happened in society that will keep Metal/Rock from reaching cultural heights like it used to. 1. The internet has fragmented the popular zeitgeist and I feel like even the biggest genres today, like rap and pop, have been muted from reaching heights like they used to. 2. The popularity of EDM and Rap from 2010-Now has taken over the spotlight from fans that would have gravitated towards rock/metal. Both of those genres have massive festivals with super high energy that mirror the metal/rock fest of the 90's-2000's. All of the biggest innovations lately, that I've seen, have been crossovers into those 2 genres.