Rocker vs Camber Snowboard Test - Arbor Westmark

[@katrinagwen]

That side-by-side action is a hit. And you bring finesse to simple tricks.

[@BoardArchive]

Paul O 🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@SuperZbx]

I like how u put the comparison of the two board going down the same run at the end. Really helps showing what each board can do!

[@mindman1234]

i prefer rocker/camber/rocker boards personally

[@BoardArchive]

Daniel Z thanks Daniel!

[@SuperZbx]

mindman1234 any board that works for you is a good board bro

[@mindman1234]

Daniel Z true. I just find the rocker/camber/rocker gives you the best of both worlds. Great in powder but I dunno if it's good in the park

[@SuperZbx]

mindman1234 I would say most of the twin hybrid(rock cam rock) boards are built for park riding. Free ride hybrid boards will have a directional shape or offset stance

[@demonjuju4210]

Just bought a Westmark camber. I have nothing but good things to say about it. Much more responsive than anything I've ridden...especially my ex...boom tish

[@streladei7501]

Demon Juju hahhah

[@Frankie431]

Demon Juju 🤣🤣🤣

[@woofergram8796]

kinda hoping you're not the guy in the relationship

[@janitor9]

Woofer Gram Maybe there was 2 guys in the relationship

[@daltonv5206]

I wanted to like this but it's at 69....nice

[@joshuaschaffer6371]

This was very well filmed and edited.

[@BoardArchive]

Joshua Schaffer Thanks dude this one was interesting to edit

[@willmoua1]

Best non-biased-actually-rides-the-deck reviews in the world! Good ups TJ!

[@robweissman5952]

He may have felt more in control on the camber.. But.. He looked cooler on the rocker!

[@Mr.TreeBear]

I definitely think the rocker looks smooth and bueatiful, but I love the aggressiveness of the camber. To me he looked cooler with the camber.

[@MichalGolata]

Was about to write same thing. Rocker +20 to style

[@richymdr]

so what is the best choice if you are a beginner?

[@lookintopsilocybin]

​@@richymdrwhen I started learning snowboarding I started on a cheap second hand old board. The first three days were all about falling and getting up, but after that I was able to get down okay. Used that board for a while, but was catching edge a lot. Then I bought a rocker and I felt like I had to do my best to catch edge. I've been using that board for years now and am very happy with it. Still consider myself a beginner. Never used a Camber though...

[@richymdr]

Thanks for the answer! I’ll get a rocker then 💪

[@stevehomdc]

Thanks for the awesome review TJ. I have been looking for this direct comparison of the Westmark (rocker and camber). I appreciate the work that you and Kevin put into your reviews and your other videos. Keep lighting it up!

[@TTVBMANDUBBA]

I have learned and rode camber styles board for the first 5 years of my snowboarding experience. After snapping my Salamon assassin pro 155 2017, all-out camber a few weeks back I found a replacement for cheap. I am now riding a 156 gnu carbon credit btx rocker snowboard. I have only had the chance to ride this board once so far. However, after my first impression I can say that I love the Rocker style snowboard and If you love snowboarding, you should have both just to switch between them. Nonetheless, after my first day out with the rocker, I was highly impressed. I was surprised by the pop that the board produced. I was able to fly over the bamboo rods just beside the side hits with ease. The board wants to turn on a dime. It may not be as stable as a camber board but it contributes to that loose truck feel that a lot of skaters and boarders thrive for. The shape of the board helps to take the stress off of the legs when riding in deep or heavy snow. You feel less stuck down and the board always wants to pop and turn. Butters are easy to initiate but harder to lock-in. It is easier to spin into and out of butters but harder to hold high and strong.

[@Bigthreat200]

Hey question I’m 5’10 and weigh about 175-180 I can’t remember…what size board should I get ?

[@kd9432]

​@Bigthreat200 155-161 depending on style of terrain

[@Bigthreat200]

@@kd9432 thank you brother I got a Rome gang plank 156 cm I’ll let you know how it is when I go snow boarding in February

[@jessleborgne5756]

This is hands down the best video I've seen running a side by side showcasing the benefits and drawbacks to each camber profile. Both these boards sell great in our shop but qualifying the rider correctly is totally important.

[@martina2659]

I started off with a flat board, then went to a camber. Being a noob at the time I didn't have the muscles or skills to learn to press well on the camber. Then went for a rocker, loved it, learned to press properly. After that went back to camber boards, by that time I had mastered snowboarding well enough to really enjoy a camber board. So I would recommend people to start of on a rocker and when you get good on that move to camber.

[@iimJacKaL]

Martin A thanks! I was looking for this kind of comment. I am going to snowboard for the first in February so I was looking for an answer to which board I should use at first

[@Bananahammock88]

I'd recommend the complete opposite. The camber is gonna feel more stable and planted and will stop a bit easier. Rocker is for a little more advanced than beginner.

[@freakychannel123]

@@Bananahammock88 na a lot of beginner have problem of catching edge and eating shit. Rocker will help you in this regard and boost your confidence. lot of beginner are not really going super fast to be concerned about stability.

[@r0mpastompa]

I also went from a Burton-Camber to a C2-Libtech Rocker Board and everything is going easier and smother for me. I had all my life trouble in the Ski-Lift until the first ride with the Rocker-Board, when the edge simply grips in the flat and give you a control that you never known before. Carving feels much more effortless bc the transitions from heel to toe is easier to perform.

[@jeremystig98]

I'd say Rocker gives beginners more confidence in the beginning. It's easier to learn the basics of turning. But once you got the basics (which should take like 3 days, so rent a rocker) i highly advice to switch to a beginner camber board. Unless you wanna do skipped turns all your life than stay with rocker. But honestly i know a couple friends that never tried camber and all the do is slide down the mountain with skidded turns. If you wanna carve instead get a camber.

[@mikerisher1536]

I could watch tj ride all day. Love his style

[@BreauxBobby]

Wow, TJ. Really nice riding on this vid! I’ve seen a lot of your videos and I agree with what’s been said - when you were on the rocker, it looked more fluid and fun. I guess when you’re advanced in your riding, it’s nice to feel the board precisely move with you. Really smooth and high level riding! Inspiring.

[@InfernalMave]

great comparison! i also like camber more, but that nosepress on the rocker board looked incredibly smooth :)

[@RomanOdermatt]

I've got a camber and a rocker and have to decide every morning which I take. For slushy days or more than 10 cm pow, I go for the rocker, harder slopes I'll take the camber. For most days in the park I prefer the camber. Snowboards: Yes TDF (2018) Gnu carbon credit 2018 and for big Powdays Yes 20/20

[@ericamoore7674]

Which one would you say is better for beginners?

[@delplaya5]

@@ericamoore7674 Carbon Credit

[@joshuak5757]

Great video. Very helpful. Thank you. Your nose grind on the tube with the rocker was dynamite. One can even tell by your reaction that you could feel that you nailed it. I have ridden Burton camber since I started riding back in 2000. I didn’t know there was anything but full camber until recently. I always wondered how some riders looked so much more fluid, smoother and surfier out there. I understand now that Rocker and camber have such different strengths. Showcasing the boards on the same run was great and taking it even further with the side by side split screen was brilliant. I was able to see what each board shape brings to the table. So drastically different a style despite ones ability level. The rocker seems ideal for fun, laid back, surfy riding. The Camber for more control and more speed. Now I know why some snowboarders have a quiver of boards depending on the type of terrain/riding you want to do. I noticed companies are experimenting with different hybrid combination rocker camber boards as of late. Thanks to this video, and a few more on youtube, I have decided having two different boards would be ideal for me. Snow conditions, the hill I am at, how I want to ride at that moment, who I am riding with will determine which board I grab. First board in the quiver will be a burton hometown hero for free riding. It has mostly camber with rocker in the nose. Engineered for free riding. Ideal for the technical terrain, tighter turns, when I want speed, in the trees, powder, blues and blacks, when I want to go edge to edge and carve aggressively, if I want to ride hard. Second board a burton custom flying v. It’s a Rocker/camber hybrid which is mostly rocker. This will be for greens and blues, working on tricks, if I am tired, if my bum knee is acting up, if I am seeking a laid back surfy ride. Camber in the morning, rocker in the afternoon, hot tub at night.

[@dizzign8059]

I could watch you all day! And I agree with several comments, the rocker looked so fun and natural.

[@jiheng1983]

love the side hits. This video is much more fun to watch than those heavy backcountry jumps in most snowboard movies.

[@E-Rod]

TJ has gotten so clean and steezy with his rail game since I first started watching the ProCamp channel. Just locking in those lip slides like they are nothing, kinks, drops, hand rails, you name it. Cheers Kevin & TJ, you guys rip! Tryna get my lip slides locked in on some kinks like that!

[@xbandit0152]

This video was surprisingly well done. It looked as if the Camber was more sturdy and could hold a lot of tension before a jump or pop. I honestly might just go with a Camber.

[@alecsyogacorner]

Man, TJ is such a precise rider. The way you can cut between the two separate runs and see identical movements is just amazing. Thanks for the great overview!

[@joshuaarcher1337]

Awesome video, nice editing, and exceptional riding style! Wish I could ride like that! I'd like to say you made the decision easier, but you make both look so great! Keep up the good work bro!

[@bruhsweet3154]

the way you edited this review was so quick and clean. much like your riding lol! Sick vid TJ

[@BoardArchive]

Thanks dude!

[@mattb8784]

I love my rocker board and find that by pressing your knees outwards (toward the tip and tail) you can dial out the rocker on groomers and icy sections when it would otherwise lose some grip. Wouldn't go back!

[@DanielGennaro]

great input!

[@chasechittester245]

Currently riding the frank April camber version of this board and I absolutely love it. Definitely hit the nail on the head with this video

[@ShadowWolfFIN]

Fantastic. Usually you can't get access to equal boards to get camper vs rocker comparison. Other that I have recognized and figured out that riding with camber vs rocker is that I need to change little bit my riding style. In turns riders weight point is usually in back or front in rocker but camber board it's mostly on the center. I usually has been recommending to get camber or flat if casual piste rider and if offside or piste jibbing is your thing then the rocker. And camber if fast piste rider

[@deborahjaouen4783]

thanks for the post, it helps with mulling over a new board. I'm on a full rocker right now and was unsure of how switching to a camber or hybrid board would feel.

[@miyaskies]

I just got my 1st flat camber (Rome Royal, med.flex) I'm noticing some of the typical rocker cons (less stability at high speeds, carving, pop) are less severe than the rocker profile, but still getting the benefits of rocker afa butters, press, and the little pow I've been in it floats pretty nice.

[@desertwind16v]

Sick comparison. Well done as always.

[@DevinDeCremer]

Of the different snowboard videos I've been watching, this one is good. 👍

[@TheCooGuR]

Exactly what I was looking for a straight out honest comparison of Rocker bs Camber profiles!!!! Thanks TJ

[@PoxyBear]

Excellent job as always TJ. You always provide good, detailed and fair information.

[@FREE.ON-Snow]

As fair and balanced a review I've seen of this topic 🤙🏻

[@BoardArchive]

Thank you! I'm stoked to have gotten such a positive response so far

[@sniperd]

This is exactly the video we've all needed. Thank you TJ!

[@CheeseOnEverything]

I ride the Travis Rice Pro Horsepower and that board has the best of both worlds, with the c2 btx, u get the rocker profile with the two points dipped under your feet still gripping the hard packed. Throw in the magnetraction and that board just rips all types of terrain, powder to groomers, parks to glades.

[@MaalysWorld125]

You can see the edge difference in camber. That locked in feeling is one of a kind 🤟🏾

[@andrewcoates2660]

Great vid tj!! Never owned a rocker , and I always find myself Uber envious of the guys rocking buttery presses with ease. Takes a hell of a lot of effort to get into a stable press on my Burton custom!!

[@Bieenio86]

I would definitely would like to see more side-by-side comparison. Also would love to see hybrid camber vs hybrid rocker video :)

[@emilianpopov9699]

Great video and explanation! I'm personally going back to camber after spending last 3 years on 2 different rocker boards and I'm curious. I think I'll do a test for myself in the beginning of next season, even though my rocker board has magnetraction and my camber one a 3BT. It was really interesting to watch! I was sure you are going to try both on the same run and with same tricks off the same side hits, top notch!

[@SuperZbx]

Camber will blow u off with how much stability and edge hole u can have on snow... I am on a burton process off axis right now( not so awesome on ice) but I can still somewhat confident riding on icy conditions

[@b.h.gargantua301]

Difference largely depends on your terrain, slope gradient and snow conditions/temperature. Differences between Rocker/Camber will drastically change in more advanced terrain on colder days. Cheers from the European Alps my friend!

[@salmonnnnman]

Good shit! This is how you do a review/comparison! Take one variable and keep everything else controlled. Awesome with the side by side footage

[@squirrelsmovingpictures]

dude, from a beginner, ty! seeing those close ups made me finally understand the shape difference between rocker and camber, lol. i ran to the kitchen table with my new board to check the shape, hahaha. i started last year on an old 90's Aperture rocker board...just picked up a brand new Capita DOA...i don't know first hand what the differences are going to be in the feel / capabilities but man i am wicked excited to find out! :)

[@downtothedirt1012]

Hey this video was a huge help. I've be watching you videos for about a month. Keep it up

[@MichalGolata]

Great video hands down 👌 imo if wanna explore different ride styles and own only 1 board = rocker hybrid, other than that camber, rocker….just get them all 😈

[@ramper50]

Your flow was 100% obviously better with the rocker.. Just ordered a Westmark rock19'.. Love that graphic btw!!!

[@stephenmendoza7745]

Dang TJ, your riding is super on point in this one! Flawless.

[@Jasin2183]

First video to make me want to try a rocker board, been riding true cam all my snowboard life (22 seasons) but I’m looking at a used rocker to try out and I think I’m gonna go for it 🤙

[@theeleven42]

Jason Nosaj did you try rocker?

[@snowbyrdie2934]

Your style was better on the rocker! I know your a camber guy but check the film. That method on the rocker was the cleanest I’ve seen you do. Might want to consider riding rocker predominately.

[@BoardArchive]

David Barron 😂 I definitely had fun on the rocker, maybe I’ll ride more rocker when I’m not doing a review

[@andrewcoates2660]

David Barron , I agree , it suits his fun playful style for sure . But when he has that edge going with the camber he just rides so damn sharp! All in all I’m jealous of both you guys riding as much as you do . Keep the videos coming !

[@MrDickhead47]

David Barron fully agreed.

[@boerteunsnowboards3993]

Very cool the way you make this clear guys !!

[@trabant66666]

This side by side thing is amazing, you should do it with more boards!!! It's awesome!

[@wind_tempos]

Well done video my man. I have to get on a rocker board demo some time. They look really fun. I love camber but I definitely feel like I need to try both now!

[@Mre942]

I like V-rocker most, so buttery. I wish I started with a rocker board , almost all newbie boards are cambered , they grip more easily so you tend to fall on the side more when you start learning snowboarding.

[@thehouse]

Well done Tj!!!

[@BoardArchive]

Thanks guys!

[@bjjpract]

That you, Matt G? Lol!

[@j.ramsey8863]

You look way more comfortable on a rocker 100.

[@martinenn]

he does, but he didn't go 100km/h down, ask him what would feel more comfortable then... especially if he starts braking at high speeds :D

[@inhumanfilth681]

The rocker looked more flowy to me so i think i would like that. Been skatining for 16 years amd have always wanted to try snowboarding.

[@stuartmoore8002]

I know this video is 2 years old but I recently bought an Abor Camber board after using nothing but Rockers. I felt like I was having to learn all over again. I still like the Camber board but it's definitely not as easy to use. Thanks for the video!

[@Gravitythewolf]

Yea that’s why I started with a camber, I feel like it’s more worth ut

[@inmotion_snow]

video is on point! I have the westmark camber and its a wonderful piece of kit, so stable

[@Tru3Wilderness]

Awesome review and we’ll placed on giving the pro and cons thanks man.

[@kelsongillett5291]

Came for help answering a big question of mine but stayed for the dudes style

[@zebscott3956]

I got the Westmark in Rocker, without fully understanding the difference between rocker and camber. After studying and reading the differences between the two profiles I'm starting to regret getting the rocker! I get to try it out next week, hopefully the differences aren't marginal and it turns out to be a highly satisfying stick!

[@BubatzMann420]

That Board is the best beginner Board ! Last 4 Years my Ride 😊

[@tutuantoine]

amazing runs!! thanks for sharing bro!

[@РоманБерезкин-к7к]

can i start learning a carving on my arbor formula rocker board?

[@robbzbacnik]

effortless steeze, dude. every thing you do just looks dope and flowing... always dope reviews too. i'd love your in depth opinion of the TM3's you're pushing. also, have you ever tried flux bindings?

[@lophiile]

amazing info

[@WontSeeReplies]

Looks so good on both.

[@Williaem00]

What is the difference between stability and less forgiving/catchy? Does stability refer to catching an edge?

[@matthewbrowne9955]

I've ridden both rocker and camber boards and I actually enjoy rocker styles more. I know everyone is all about carving but drifting is so effortless on a rocker board and for whatever reason it's so satisfying. You can still carve pretty well. And I disagree with you about camber being better for technical terrain. Rocker boards are much more forgiving on tight bends and that ability to drift more easily really gives you an advantage if you're in a tight spot and need to quickly pivot out of it, camber boards will make you catch an edge in those scenarios

[@ikutiap5923]

A true comparison, well done. thx

[@trex2957]

When learning I found the limitations of rocker being speed and ice. You aren't carving well when you start (if at all) and rocker at speed trying to just get across a flat or whatever would wash out easily. And on ice - especially early morning gridled from grooming as it almost always is here it was NOT enjoyable. Switching to a Burton Custom with full camber and knowing a bit more about carving and edge hold was night and day for me. Now I have 11 boards, and the only full rocket is that original GNU. I'll give that tech another chance this season and take the GNU out and see how it helps progress my butters. But I'm thinking the huck knife with get more time on the mountain. Just because I want to trust my boards edge hold on sheet, and there is a LOT of sheet where I ride.

[@jorge1515]

I've been riding a rocker for 5 years and in the northeast it's icy as hell most times I've gone. I definitely had to take more time to slow down and let the board do the work instead of leaning back as hard as I could like on a camber. Totally give the rocker a shot since that smoother feel while riding is worth the setbacks for me, but it's all about personal preference and riding style.

[@steezyjubes9408]

Been riding rocker since I was 11 and now I see why I can’t go to the fullest of send. The edges for rocker boards are only good until you start going so fast lol then it gets sketchy. I could never keep up with guys on the mountain bombing the hill because their camber board gave them so much edge control. Time to get some camber for dinner

[@scottvalena1669]

What do you call the trick that he does at 1:39? Looks super slick and this is a great comparison video!

[@corbinradant9809]

When he’s talking about more or less stability is he referring to the stability on rails or on hills

[@bigcmcg3946]

Which one is better for a park/resort only? Have dedicated all mountain and big mountain boards.

[@enduroshow5775]

I can't chose my first snowboard. I don't know what will be better rocker or for example c2 btx (flying V). Can you help me bro ?

[@twlove4u]

Can you test neversummer East ? Compared with photo type 2. Thanks a lot 🥰

[@JudgeDredd_]

As a complete amateur (never boarded) I can see the difference. It seems like someone who wants to start would be better off on a camber especially me being a big guy. That rocker looked loosey goosey

[@philipperoylandry7615]

Excellent review and explaination!

[@MartinsMovement]

Thank you! Very helpful!🤙🏼

[@bjjpract]

I love my Westmark rocker!! For a rocker, the stability is on point! Great confidence building board! Any changes for the 18/19?

[@martinpotcf123]

I'm trying to gather data. What do you guys ride on your bindings currently I'm 14 negative 14 positive but I'm interested to see what most of you guys ride because I'm still new at snowboarding. I'm riding an arbor rocker

[@jeansandmyshirt]

it'd be nice to compare a hybrid wth a camber board. im thinking to buy the custom flying v.

[@remivillepelet]

Is the Lobster and Bataleon Camber 3BT the perfect combination of these two style of boards ?

[@jfm4794]

Or just get one of the stiffer bataleon boards instead (Thunder, Thunderbolt, goliath+, carver). Catchfree and playful but also powerful at higher speeds

[@Tytghbgdex356]

Why are the lengths different? Do u want a shorter camber board usually?

[@g0me2z]

What size of this board would you reccomand for rider 180cm tall 160lbs ? in camber version.

[@michaelcammareri5837]

Would the bataleon et be the best of both worlds?

[@justinkobak5341]

which one will hold a better edge in East coast ice?

[@aykalozuvar5654]

Perfect vid bro 👏

[@pitur5492]

what about something between, flat rocker ?

[@snowboarder7772]

What about hybrid then?

[@Malfurionxtc]

on the same channel, video was made 4-5 years ago (2016), Rocker vs Camber , and they where using hybrid, got some complain about it, that's why they made this second video again.

[@wolffrags9856]

So, rocker is a good for a beginner-intermediate?

[@tristanh2864]

WolfFrags it’s generally more forgiving. I learned on rocker then switched to camber the next year, both felt great and you can’t really go wrong with either.

[@Шмебьюлок-в1ж]

Is there a better rocker on the railing?

[@mucanan]

I bought the rocker because it was cheap and I use it as an all mountain board, even in deep snow. It’s not the most stable at high speed though

[@MrJoelioish]

How about the Arbor Cosa Nostra vs Clovis? The Arbor All Mountain Guns rocker vs camber.

[@scottmagruder6907]

Which do you recommend for a beginner to novice rider? I'm assuming rocker since it's more forgiving? But is it to squirly for a beginner?

[@wheelie_ben143]

Great vid mate

[@jic5086]

Would I be able to put union contact pros on the west mark camber or are they too soft

[@j-5087]

Where was this filmed? Thought i heard him say PK

[@miguelchavez7545]

What brand of googles are those ? They look dope

[@Model6780]

Hi love your channel what's your favourite park board