Rocket Concept Payload Comparison

[@Wayoutthere]

The poor baby rockets being NUKED was amazing, loved it.

[@fuzzyhead878]

Also several thousand elephants or so…

[@TBone-bz9mp]

Mmm… elephant with extra strontium 90.

[@grandicellichannel]

THAT'S BULLISM FROM THE ORION!

[@ArakiNark]

Why did you spoil it dammnit

[@goldgamercommenting2990]

@@ArakiNark but how did they get nuked (Don’t tell me because I know already)

[@lazarus2691]

Right around the time I saw the Orion I was thinking "Man, the only thing I can think that tops that is the Aldebaran, but that's *really* obscure, no way it'd be included". And then at around 3:40 I let out a little gasp. Bravo Haze, Bravo!

[@CPS747-8]

I don't know why, but seeing the tiny man running was really funny to me. Also crazy to see how much tonnage some of these rockets could carry. It could be enough to have an elephant sanctuary for every elephant in the world.

[@Peu905]

I have watched this I don’t know how many times, and just spotted him yesterday. He had a lot of territory to cover!!

[@CatPerson6048]

i know its funny.

[@OfficialHymMusic]

It’s how much they weigh in total until gravitational forces have a lesser affect on the vehicle, not the total weight plus cargo capacity. Fun fact: *90% of a rockets mass is fuel*

[@jmwoods190]

@@Peu905 And how did he managed to climb up that colossal Super Orion?!

[@stevevernon1978]

@@jmwoods190 I saw him enter the elephant herd in front of the Aldebaran, but when the camera started zooming out to show the Interstellar Orion, his pixel got too small to see.

[@DuesenbergJ]

Still a bit sad that Venture Star never came to fruition. That was the rocket of my childhood.

[@Chris.Davies]

A tragedy. But the composite fuel tank failed in testing, and the carbon fibre technology was not there yet. I consider it more tragic that the XRS-2200 linear aerospike engine never flew. The gimballed rocket nozzle is stupid compared to the solidly mounted aerospike. Plus, an aerospike is efficient at all altitudes, as the plume is free to expand.

[@g.f.martianshipyards9328]

@@Chris.Davies Thing is, the composite fuel tank wasn't necessary at all. Aluminium would've actually been lighter.

[@JFrazer4303]

Pure graft for Lock-Mart, and cutting the throat of the McD proposal which had already flown and done incredible things with the DC-X.

[@Hevach]

The thing that killed it wasnt the tank, it was the engine. Aerospike engines didn't prove to be the efficiency lords that was predicted when the ship was designed. They have an unusually even thrust curve from sea level to vacuum, which is great for anything that fires it's engines for the entire ascent, but the exhaust velocity was much lower than predicted (likely an error in early calculations), crushing the specific impulse and killing any hopes of it being SSTO. NASA was already committed to not having another side-stacked space plane, so there was no path forward left for it.

[@g.f.martianshipyards9328]

@@Hevach Interesting, don't remember ever hearing about this.

[@Ligulistylis]

I LOL'd at the ending, magnificent! I consider myself heavily Wikipedia learned on this stuff, but I've never seen a bunch of these... thanks!!!

[@Nighthawke70]

The Aldebaran Cruiser - That's a lot of peanuts. Super Orion - Hold my nuke.

[@jacksons1010]

Out of all these, Nova was the closest to coming to fruition. If you've ever wondered why the 3rd stage of the Saturn 5 was the S-IVB, it's because it was to be the 4th stage for Nova.

[@demondoggy1825]

Err, no? Nova replaced the SI-C with a bigger stage, then S-II, then S-IVB. Is called the S-IV Stage because some of the other earlier Saturn designs used it as a 4th stage, but not Nova. There was also the S-V stage which was just Centaur.

[@jacksons1010]

@@demondoggy1825 Ok, you win on the S-IV, but you're mistaken about the S-II on Nova. It was S-IV because it was the 4th stage of the Saturn *C-4* concept. Nova was also a 4-stage design, but the S-IV ultimately wound up being the 3rd stage in that concept. The entire sequence of S-x designations were building blocks that could be adapted into various vehicles. S-III did not proceed beyond the conceptual phase (Hydrolox w/ 2x J-2 engines). As for Nova, the 2nd stage concept was not the S-II. S-II was 10m diameter with 5x J-2, while Nova was conceived as 12m diameter with 8x J-2 (analogous to the Nova 1st stage having 8x F-1 vs Saturn V with 5x F-1).

[@demondoggy1825]

@@jacksons1010 I did get the S-II wrong thanks to the 8 J-2s which i forgot about. But the C-8 design had the same S-II stage diameter. It was the Nova 8L that had the 12 meter diameter second stage, but it used M-1 Engines. Its bad enough when you are dealing with the same designation changing sizes like with the S-I or the C-5Ns 3rd stage being both 10 meter and 6.6 meter depending on the exact document, but Nova makes it 10x worse with Nova and Saturn Nova being two entirely separate programs.

[@jacksons1010]

@@demondoggy1825 True. In the end we're talking about a myriad of paper designs that some engineers worked up, only to have Von Braun dismiss them and send them back to the drawing board.

[@jmwoods190]

@@jacksons1010 Also in some configurations, the S-III was proposed as the 3rd stage of the Nova/Saturn C-8 in place of the S-IVB, which in turn was an upgrade of the S-IV that was intended as a 4th stage for the C-4.

[@operationdomination3102]

The Super Orion Interstellar Ark would have been such a waste! All that and it can't even lift a single elephant to LEO.

[@samuelruggieri2117]

I think all the elephants for that craft were safely inside, god knows how many, though?

[@explodingyoutube9783]

It can. Unlike rockets carrying heavy fuel, Orion Inter Ark carries bombs. Which is much lighter built to be stored in the craft. It wouldn't need as much bombs to propell it since it will be so quick the more bombs drop, the lesser it needs to pump.

[@aguywhodoesstuff1116]

@@explodingyoutube9783 woosh

[@pierrec4713]

I think it can

[@Skullbrothers]

@@explodingyoutube9783 imagine just using bombs and not carrying elefants though.

[@tamtamich4]

Without words gracefully! The first video about comparing rocket by payload, especially the mass allocated by 5 ton elephants gives me goosebumps!

[@dogmaticpyrrhonist543]

When I saw you'd labelled the 56?foot orion interplanetary, I could tell where this was going to end up. Nice work

[@TobiasStevens137]

Super Orion: 'my goals are beyond your understanding'

[@laff__8821]

Lift humanity through a wormhole. That's the goal.

[@SeedFactoryProject]

I worked on three of these: SRB-X, Shuttle Derived Vehicle, and Boeing Space Freighter. I worked for Boeing's space systems division in the "new business" group. I also worked on Sea Launch and the Space Station, which flew, and many other concept studies besides conventional rockets.

[@jays2551]

that sounds incredible! i'm so jealous lol

[@ChuckUFarley90]

Enlighten us, please: Why didn't those projects ever fly?

[@sleadaddy]

@@ChuckUFarley90 short answer was they were too expensive for a limited use case. Thinking of the Sea Dragon, that could lift the entire ISS in one go. What do you do after that? Huge cost, very limited demand.

[@ПурумПумпум-л5ф]

Thank you for the video! Our grandfathers knew how to dream big! 👍💪

[@SeedFactoryProject]

I resemble that remark, having worked on three of the concepts.

[@jackturner3867]

I hope we will be the ones to turn their dreams into steel and engine plume

[@DragonSFS]

You should make an Aldebaran animation, it looks like a thicc starship

[@anneangstadt1882]

Yes, I'd love to see that thing

[@silverfox8615]

Is Aldebaran a catamaran rocket?! I have never heard of that one! Also, it's funny to see what wild promises were being made tonnage-wise. There is zero way you could stuff that many tons in most of those designs.

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

I have read a little bit about it. It was designed to take off and land on water.

[@kaikafi]

I believe it included the fuel weight with it. As many times fuel and more dense payloads are adjusted in reference to the destination.

[@Fold-103]

@@kaikafi it detonated small yeild nukes behind the that large nozzle which would propel it to space.

[@kloc4995]

I was imagining the nuclear pulse in action and then it happened! Great vid.

[@GerardHammond]

Orion Interplanetary 1957 aka the 'wedding cake' was a master piece of hope

[@Bugatti12563]

Sea dragon still remains my favorite, the insanity.

[@paulhaynes8045]

I loved the spent 'cartridges' being dropped out after each explosion - very 50s retro! (Oops - just realised they WERE the bombs!! Madness.)

[@TheNavalAviator]

Not insanity, just economically sound engineering.

[@2012listo]

Bravo! The ending was spectacular! What an unexpected treat. Thank you.

[@calimio6]

I think the jupiter 3 wasn't up to scale, taking into account the the core used was from a saturn V. Great video by the way. Loved the running astronaut.

[@lewismassie]

Jupiter III used the same diameter core as a Saturn, but wasn't the same, and had different fuel type as well

[@lewismassie]

@@jmwoods190 You just said exactly the same thing I did btw

[@lusbax]

@@lewismassie We have the same profile pic

[@lewismassie]

@@lusbax We have excellent taste

[@jmwoods190]

@@lewismassie My bad with my previous comments, and you're right- the Jupiter III's core stack was indeed 10m in diameter like the Saturn V(I mistakenly thought it was thinner like the ETs). However, the ICES-based 2nd stage that made up that core stack is still very similar to Saturn V 2nd stage(the S-II)- both have common bulkheads as well as 5 engines each of the J-2 family!

[@KellyStarks]

Loved the music shift when the arc came into view!! Another great one!

[@samirdevechi8589]

I need to know exactly what drugs were consumed in the creation of the Aldebaran!!

[@tornmap4385]

what about orion

[@davidg5898]

That poor little astronaut running his little heart out! I hope he caught his flight and was able to board the Super Orion Ark before...well...before it vaporized everything else! 🏃🚀💥☢

[@stevevernon1978]

From the timing, I don't think he even made it out of the herd around the Aldebaran.

[@johnwang9914]

Well the steel plate covering the ground it was on for maybe a mile in each direction would only had a thin surface vaporized and they intended to cover it with sacrificial graphite or oil to prevent this. The plate was to prevent kicking up the ground into radioactive fallout and was based on steel plates on the ground at ground zero surviving actual bomb tests with handprints surviving completely due to the skin oil on the plate.

[@ArmandKarlsen]

Jupiter 3: "Hey, I heard you like boosters, so I put boosters on your boosters so you can booster while you booster"

[@tagg218]

Idk about anyone else, but the only thing more awe-inspiring than reveling the SUPER ORION WHICH I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WAS A THING after how gradually more ridiculous the designs got, only to be utterly drawfed by this utter monstrocity, was then SEEING IT LIFT OFF. 'Haunting' is more an accurate term for what I experienced at that point, frankly.

[@ericgolightly8450]

He made a video about it too

[@VioletWyvern]

KSP Player: Write it down~ write it down !

[@blohaj]

5:14 imagine seeing that big bang in the sky

[@mluby7828]

No need to imagine it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHqwo6Fvd6qSmLc

[@TRTF5]

Oh sh-

[@ptonpc]

Where did everyone else lose track of the running man? For me it was Orion Interplanetary . I saw him go in, part of the way through the herd and that was it. Excellent video as always.

[@stevevernon1978]

I saw him enter the herd around the Aldebaran, then it zoomed out too much.

[@ptonpc]

@@stevevernon1978 I wonder if he made it to the end.

[@bat2293]

So, what happened to the little running guy? Was he under the Super Orion when it lit off, or was he crushed by an elephant stampede?

[@notjebbutstillakerbal]

Didn't even get out of the herd before missing his flight

[@martinilopez1]

it seems like in the late 50s they had the best stuff to smoke...

[@baraxor]

There was a period between 1958 and 1966 when every aerospace corporation and scientific think tank drew up proposals for ambitious space projects, both for publicity and the hope of attracting government seed money. The Super Orion ark was a proposed spinoff of the Air Force/AEC's Project Orion, originally designed to serve as a deep-space counterstrike system that would be invulnerable a possible Soviet nuclear sneak attack. Issues of Aviation Week from that period were loaded with articles and ads about such proposals.

[@mcnudde]

Wonderful ending! BTW....have you ever considered doing the Avro Canada Space Threshold Vehicle?

[@vgames1543]

I have never seen that "Aldebaran" before.

[@asynchronous_man]

Years watching your videos! Great!

[@grandicellichannel]

0:55 Ah, yes. Chrysler SERV, the [ O N I O N R O C K E T ]

[@jmwoods190]

Or is it actually the Oreo Cupcake Rocket?

[@bazoo513]

Magnificent! From the sense of scale (afforded by both elephants and that tiny running figure not wanting, presumably, to be late for the interstellar journey) the obliteration of all other vehicles (and elephants) by the first propulsion pulse of Super Orion.

[@a_Zkat]

Aldebaran is one of my fav SSTOs. thanks.

[@christopherwang4392]

Nice use of "The Blue Danube" (1866) by Johann Strauss II.

[@MPi-KM]

Have you done one on the Space Shuttle -C cargo version? If not, I'd like to see you do one on it please!

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

At least those elephants will all have their *_trunks_* packed and ready when it is time to launch...😊

[@TheFinalMinutes]

The Boeing Space Freighter must truly be the Human Centipede of rocket concepts!

[@KrautGoesWild]

Never heard of the Aldebaran before. Looks like 'Flash Gordon - The Next Generation'

[@ericgolightly8450]

It's like a commercial plane but it goes to space and lands on the water

[@oliverclegg5950]

What's the Aldebaran rocket? I'd love to learn more. It's so weird looking!

[@ericgolightly8450]

It's basically a giant space plane that lands on water.

[@FeralRabbit]

Is the scale off a bit between ships? If the Apollo CSM/SM is a constant. It appears to be shown in different sizes. Do the elephants represent the mass the first stage is capable of or the final stage? As always love your work. Waiting for the movie length one!

[@davisdf3064]

The elephants represent each 5 ton to Low Earth Orbit

[@bighaverlegend33]

That one little guy running for his life

[@jamesbatchelor3834]

Hey @Hazegrayart, your videos are great! Love all your content! Most of those vehicles have featured in your videos, but not Aldebaran. What about a video of thst nuclear powered beast?

[@cosmoflanker]

That's a helluva lot of bbq'd elephant!

[@mericuiltop11]

Vaporized

[@hughie522]

That Super Orion is *insane*!

[@RobSchofield]

Love the little running man!

[@wisefatfishe7831]

you forgot my 728,900,000 ton to LEO KSP build (SSTO Spaceplane with 8.9 bln crew capacity the size of new york, enough to evacuate us from Earth, mkre specifically Kerbin.

[@Sir_Uncle_Ned]

It really is amazing how many interesting concepts failed to take flight. Probably not such a bad thing for the orion as we still don't entirely understand what goes on with high altitude nuclear blasts, but it's a damn shame the Star Raker didn't reach testing

[@theholymacintosh]

is there an error in the number of elephants around Nova? Seems missmatched to the claimed tonnage

[@AndrewHillis_2024]

I WOULD LOVE SOME OF THESE ROCKETS TO BE MADE ESPECIALLY THE BIG LEAGUE ROCKETS ! ! !👍

[@GerardHammond]

hahaha. That ending is superb. You are the best 3d space story teller on the planet. What are your Patreon details?

[@KirtFitzpatrick]

The animation is excellent, but your audio is next level.

[@motokid6008]

Well that was freaking awesome.

[@StaK_1980]

Rockwell Star Raker and Venture Star Oh, I would really LOVE to see them FLY!

[@raykewin3608]

Fine work.

[@linecraftman3907]

A handy guide for people looking to build Noah's ark in space

[@philspooner9957]

Does anyone have any idea what the Aldebaran was. It looks like one of the spaceships from sci fi and its oriented horizontally instead of vertically like the other rockets.

[@ericgolightly8450]

It's like a giant space plane that lands on water.

[@baraxor]

@@ericgolightly8450 Essentially a spaceflight-capable flying boat (flying ship, really) that would use its giant nuclear-fueled rocket system to take off from the ocean surface rather than using railtracks on land.

[@FellowManofAggieland]

Attention: Over a hundred thousand elephants were vaporized during the making of this video.

[@magermigiegimzhu1002]

Ngl but the UR700 (Universal Rocket) looks like something straight out of Kerbal Space Program.

[@jordanhodgkins8164]

Another Sick Video H 💙🔥👏😎

[@tbranch227]

appropriate bwwwwaaaaaa... omg love the ending

[@raf.visuals]

this is hilarious! Great to use elephant as spacecargo :D love it

[@octopusmagnificens]

The Interstellar Ark would bankrupt even the Old Kingdom of Egypt .

[@rong1924]

I'm most impressed by the little dude.

[@__KursK__]

Love it

[@matthewb1973]

"No elephants were harmed in the making of this film."

[@danielle_pine9676]

Oh that ending crackedme right up. Lol

[@GURken]

these paper rockets are the quintessence of a naive visions of future space flight and technology that peaked at mid century

[@CarlosAM1]

If anything the technology has been getting better and better since it started

[@GURken]

@@CarlosAM1 obvious

[@CarlosAM1]

@@GURken "naive visions of future space flight and technology *that peaked at mid century* "

[@GURken]

@@CarlosAM1 What's the subject of this sentence? It's *visions.* What's the sentence predicate? It's *peaked.* So the idea of my sentance is *naive visions peaked at mid century.* You're welcome.

[@CarlosAM1]

@@GURken well ok then, I just read it as "the naive visions of space flight and *the technology that peaked* at mid century" implying the technology is what peaked since it was separared by "and".

[@Joseph_Omega]

Did they run out of elements for that last one?

[@Joseph_Omega]

Just realized my typo: I meant "elephants", not "elements".

[@sendtheasteroid8008]

It's funny to see the more realistic concepts are from now.

[@goodgremlinmedia2757]

That dude just bookin it across the screen 😂

[@lebaillidessavoies3889]

So I know where all the elephants have gone now....all sent in space 😩

[@johnbuchman4854]

So long, and thanks for all the peanuts 🥜 🥜 🥜

[@simongeard4824]

Nope... they got nuked when the Orion departed...

[@skunkbucket9408]

For me, the most amazing part of the video was that the little guy didn't spook any elephants as he sprinted through their herds.

[@quentinvanbutsele371]

Each ship, ... "there is more !"

[@marcopohl3236]

Thanks, if I'm ever going to build a zoo in leo, I know which vehicle I'm going to use for the elephants now

[@AndrewHillis_2024]

I'M REALLY INTO ROCKETS ESPECIALLY THE BIG LEAGUE ROCKETS LIKE SLS AND STARSHIP ! ! !👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@killadroid2]

The Super Orion just smokes everything, lol.

[@IKNOWYET]

Bro super orion in door was a city☠️☠️☠️

[@Gort58]

Oh, the nightmare of waste management for all those elephants!

[@andyc3088]

Looks like the Elephants conquest to colonise space? First Elephant on the Moon in 2025?

[@Eshanas]

Sea dragon my beloved

[@Mrcometo]

This is amazing.

[@rozzgrey801]

That's all very well, but what are all those elephants going to do when they get up there?

[@niraj_dave]

i stopped counting elephants at some point :)

[@jeremiah-w7e]

what the Aldebaran rocket? can't find any info in google about it

[@marlonlacerdalacerda9658]

I FOUND VERY FEW ARTICLES TALKING ABOUT THIS SPACESHIP.

[@TinyHouseHomestead]

This is SILLY, the elephants won't fit in the rockets! 😱🤪🤣👍👍🇺🇸

[@chrisgaming9567]

Sorry if I've already asked, but are the 3D models available for download

[@shaalis]

The MPG on Super Orion would be shite. "She gets 1 atom bomb per 100m"

[@princessesandprinces8960]

Awesome!

[@LalathiSpace]

They all look like rockets I'd build in Kerbal Space Program

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

*_"Nuclear PACHYDERM Propulsion_* 😉

[@dreaM-eq7wn]

man running that's a good idea to compare the human to the rocket, good job mate.

[@TheMemeDynamics]

5:14 Super Orion jumpscare

[@Johninadelaide2022]

What about Star Clipper that looked kind of cool. Wonder if that would have worked

[@nigelmoore957]

Those poor elephants. They didn't deserve such a cruel faith. Rumor has it they were working for peanuts. A some point I lost count of the number of elephants per ship. The elephants became too small to count and too numerous🤣🤣🤣🤣I know I'm late to the show but once again, another great video.... There was this one guy that spoke about measuring payloads in bananas....If your reading this maybe you could do the math and give a reply🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@patrickl2195]

Super Orion? I had one of those, but the wheels fell off.

[@theblackswan2373]

Nice ending