Corey Taylor Meets Slaughter To Prevail

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[@hanislip]

Corey tryna steal their drummer 😂

[@mikekristin7201]

Spit out my drink😂. Yoink!

[@WutzRockin]

I thought the SAME THING!!! 🤣

[@thelastdaybreathinginetern1385]

💀 HIRED AND FIRED BREAKING NEWS: SLAUGHTER TO PREVAIL drummer back in STP after being fired from Slipknot in the first week of recording. 😅

[@doknox]

😬

[@joshuabonaobra4236]

Lmao 😂

[@danielemmanuel6261]

It must be such an honour to be in the presence of such an iconic and brutal singer. Corey is so lucky.

[@cile5459]

ahahahaha so true

[@wumplite]

The comment I was looking for, my man! Haha

[@styxxhs3010]

hahaaha!! this one got me..

[@MusicmyZombie]

😂😂😮😮😮

[@shogunrua5589]

LMFAO 🤣🤣

[@nostalgianetwork1225]

Slipknot ft. Slaughter to Prevail would be f*c King SIIIICCCCCKKKK

[@RockFeed]

Would be amazing.

[@woody8577]

I’d love to hear Corey join Alex on Demolisher, especially the breakdown!

[@Beeza2996]

*(SIC) 🤘😆

[@tjombom]

Every show would be sold out within hours. They'd need larger stage areas for this, and please not in summer!

[@Eisenheim1191]

More like slaughter to prevail ft. Slipknot

[@paranormaldrummer69]

Slaughter to prevail has came a long way man.. I've been watching Alex and Slaughter since way back when they had Anton on drums and I gotta say they have just blown the hell up man.. such a sick band to see live too.. they definitely brought it to another level for sure..

[@Ryo7_7]

Totally agree. 🤘

[@demolishweaklings]

they blew up after they moved from that stinkhole of a country called Russia. US is the best market for metal music, that is why even rock band Maneskin became literally HUGE after moving to the US instead of stayin in Italy.

[@TheMikeLiveGames]

hohla sprosit zabili@@demolishweaklings

[@KeepAwayFromMe]

@@demolishweaklings как бы это обидно не прозвучало , но я с тобой согласен 👍

[@demolishweaklings]

I don't speak animal planet, sorry.@@KeepAwayFromMe

[@jobbiejew]

I would never describe Slaughter to Prevail as an emerging band, ever. They’ve been in full bloom for a number of years now.

[@crystalstewart5568]

Thank you.

[@TimmyTurner421]

Yeah man they've almost been around for a decade and for a deathcore band they're massive. Them and Lorna Shore are the biggest bands of the genre

[@garretthammell]

Fr. Still growing though. Happy for them, they gotta be damn proud of where they are today.

[@nathanstevenson1190]

In the early 2000s, Corey showed up to my bands set in Des Moines. After the show he invited us back to his house and we just kicked it, played guitar, and he gave us a tour of his house lol. So down to earth, I couldn't believe it. Absolute favorite memory. People who hate on him have never met him IRL.

[@KatsFurBabys]

Wow F amazing story really is. He's knows what it's like to be a real person with hopes and dreams. ❤

[@ChrisCXK]

I hate that people think Corey is a jerk. He could easily be one. He could be reclusive and never talk to anyone but he’s always friendly.

[@scottstefani7789]

Corey may look douchey but he a goat

[@butthand4342]

Corey has said in interviews that when he was younger he was a jerk. So he doesn't blame people for thinking that way.

[@thestu059]

Until you enter his paycheck realm

[@rebeccamcguire2798]

in 2013-14 i watched a in flames set with corey in canada he was not disappointing he’s nice a nice guy and so chill

[@ChrisCXK]

@@rebeccamcguire2798 yeah, I have been around him a few times but only once when he was just in a “normal” setting. It was after a show, there was a big party for the bands. I wasn’t working the event or anything just a guest so I just hung out and observed lol. He was exactly as I imagined. Singing, laughing and just having fun with people. He may have been tipsy for all I know. I can’t remember when he got sober but it was 2008.

[@user-pc4ou9pi4g]

Кто ещё так смог!!!!?Кто!!!?С легендами на одной сцене выступать,а с кумирами общаться.Это дорого стоит. Пацаны вы лучшие!Надо ж сам Корян Маза Фака Тэйлор пришел к парням сказать ,что они охуенны!Это уже лучшая награда .

[@287813b]

Пздц по Сани видно что он в Ахуео от того что Кори пришел к ним!!))

[@sergeystolyarov87]

Да Саня прям стесняшка такой)))

[@Kurlyk_Ololoevna]

Сашка лучший и это факт!)

[@user-fk3yi8rx7c]

Кори Тейлор - такая себе звезда. Как гроулер - он реально дно. Поет красиво, да, но не гроулинг, это уже давно факт... У Слипкнота был первый вокалист гораздо лучше него. Чисто бабло и связи зарешали

[@lavren69]

​@@user-fk3yi8rx7cесли это не сарказм, то это финиш😂 первый вокалист слипов ни петь, ни "кричать", не имеет представления как, в то время когда Коряна из 1000 узнать можно, если б не он были бы слипы возможно на уровне Мушрумхед, в лучшем случае)

[@reinhardt5405]

I admire Corey's social skills to the core. No null moments, no awkwardness, no anxiety just alot of people skills that makes them comfortable.

[@ThoughtPolice77]

He comes off as a friend and it's so cool. How subtly and easily he goes "my kid loves the band that's how I heard about it and I love what you do" is so telling about him

[@LeoFackingG]

Супер круто. Рад за пацанов. Видно как у них глаза горят от волнения, когда они на Коряна смотрят.

[@user-fk3yi8rx7c]

по факту, зачем? Старый ниочемный гроулист зашел. На месте Алекса, мне было бы вообще похуй

[@HellDim]

​@@user-fk3yi8rx7cчто ты несешь 🤐

[@br-br-deng]

@@user-fk3yi8rx7c ты не на месте Алекса, и никогда на нём не будешь. По факту, это один из его кумиров, может поэтому какой-то трепет есть перед человеком, который вдохновил тебя стать кем ты есть

[@paztwel]

Глаза горят от радости, когда видишь перед собой своего кумира, который пришёл к тебе на поклон, когда ты смог превзойти и переиграть своего кумира... 😄

[@lankyrobgaming1057]

Respect Corey. Thats how musicians should be. We all should support eachother. I can bet this means alot to STP when someone shows up and give STP so much support. Hail to STP and Corey.

[@camiloa8288]

He can't even supported his ex members so what are you talking about lol

[@lankyrobgaming1057]

@@camiloa8288 So what. he probably quit for a reason. IDC if he couldnt take care of his ex members, what if he wants to do better for other bands.

[@ghost_to_a_ghost]

i can say this: my Hatebreed, Slaughter To Prevail, and Knocked Loose shirts always render higher tips from my clients at work (i'm a barber). Good conversarion starters! This is super cool that these dudes met up! Be great to hear Alex on a Slipknot aong or Corey on a Slaughter track sometime 🤘

[@Re-Todd_Howard]

That’s awesome dude 🤘 You must live somewhere with a healthy metal scene. I’d probably have maybe 1 customer a year know who any of those bands are if we’re a barber working in my area. Edit: I know Knocked Loose is more hardcore punk, but I still put it in the same headspace/general category.

[@rogerdodger9712]

Knocked Loose 🤘🏼🤘🏼

[@Werewolf914]

I love Slaughter To Prevail, Hatebreed I haven't listened to in awhile but they're great too sometimes you just want something simple and heavy and Hatebreed is perfect for that

[@Harnaś_z_Puchy]

​@@Werewolf914I love how Slaughter to Prevail feels heavier than Cannibal Corpse

[@John_McDonnell_76]

This is so damn wholesome and cool. It just warms my heart to see people from bands in my (right now) top 3 talking and mixing it up. Corey seems like such a down to earth, uplifting dude. The STP guys seemed stoked to death to talk with Corey. Awesome.

[@DayzMetal]

Топ3? Ты вообще не слушаешь музыку? Столько класснвх групп, не у всех конечно есть столько бабла что твоей последней приличной песне (Killpop) 10 лет. 😂

[@bradzilla86]

About time this band gets the respect they deserve 🔥🤘🔥

[@user-ix2ml5wk5b]

Yeah, Slipknot is kinda underrated. Hope they make it!

[@frayedendsofsanity1733]

Yeah, Slipknot deserves more recognition

[@TheVandeverRR]

You can tell Alex is star struck. Love it. So happy STP is getting the love they deserve. Awesome video bro

[@EddyMorra-jk4zp]

Я даже и не представляю, какое счастье было у Сани, когда он встретил Кори, да и у других ребят.. Я сам вырос на Slipknot, и я очень рад за ребят, что дошли до такого уровня.

[@CRTW]

Проспись

[@EddyMorra-jk4zp]

@@CRTW Спасибо за заботу, но Я и до этого хорошо поспал) Чувствуешь, как что-то шершавое елозит у тебя во рту? Да, это мой сарказм)

[@user-mp4dz9rs9u]

Что он кори сказал им ?)

[@Djoni139]

​@@user-mp4dz9rs9uчто хочет такого барабанщика😂

[@user-cv5iy2yn3u]

@@CRTW prosris', moshonka potnaya

[@myrinaDM]

And I hope they to do something together 🤘 Can you imagine, both voices, what kind of craziness it will be “legendary”!

[@acrevelations8457]

Corey doesn't have the voice strength that Alex has. Alex would dominate a track if they collaborated. Now Alex and Will Ramos would be a sight to behold...or in this case listen to

[@watchlistenlearn]

​@@acrevelations8457Corey. Doesnt have the voice strength 😂😂😂 Good 1.. Guys yells still echo in my head years later..

[@user-ks1jf2mp9t]

I met Corey and the guys back in 99 in their beginnings and all I'm going to say is... Cory is a man of his word. 💯

[@SebPostsHere]

Haven’t finished the video but already sounds like a great meetup!

[@slamshammers]

Haven’t finished the video?? It’s only 3 minutes long. Did you start it then pause it while you typed this message?

[@SebPostsHere]

@@slamshammers yes 🤑

[@leilanicamacho4654]

I remember yeeears ago I’d watch Alex’s slipknot vocal covers 🥰 how far he’s come now

[@quentondaniels8536]

Watched them in Melbourne at Good Things Festival, they were fantastic live.

[@Mr_jz_12]

Was there also. Great set. great crowd.

[@heyheyitskraykray9077]

I was there as well, they were awesome

[@quentondaniels8536]

Only things I would say was their time was too short and should have been on bigger stage. Gladly watch them again.

[@Mr_jz_12]

@@quentondaniels8536 sepultura were on same stage. Electric callboy and lacuna coil were on same stage last year. Gotta earn their place. Hell spiderbait were on same stage too.

[@charleschi843]

Can you imagine that moment? When you see your hero standing in front you, talking to you. Was probably a great moment for Alex as well.

[@_Arugula_Salad_]

He was as giddy as a schoolboy

[@Thugzilla90]

If Corey's and Alex's voices synergize and mesh simultaneously, the earth will explode...

[@OfWolfAndMan639]

Абсолютли😅

[@juanytorres6007]

no compares niño🤨

[@lukasvillalobos6367]

@@juanytorres6007 aunque no creas la comparacion es bastante valida

[@ItsParadise304]

Seeing the band that got me into metal chat with my current favourite band makes me happy

[@ChillTheChilli]

I love that he made sure to look at everybody while talking, giving everyone his attention.

[@anthonyfuller1117]

Slaughter To Prevail feat. Corey Taylor 🤯🤯🤯 Bring It On!! 🤘🤘

[@windliger1068]

The fact that Corey wanted to see them play is awesome

[@ThoughtPolice77]

Corey is such a good face for metal... He loves the genre PERIOD and he loves the art PERIOD, ontop of respecting how hard the life is not just for the band but the crew, the last time i saw slipknot the amount of love he gave to the crew behind the stage was so nice to hear

[@panachao713]

The thing I have always admired in Corey is that of his entusiasm towards everyone making them become pumped up, that's a frontman natural attitude.

[@chasegoetz6069]

Slaughter, to prevail, and slipknot on tour together, would be a must see for me absolutely loving the two separate live

[@92SynysterShadows]

As someone who saw 2 of Slaughter To Prevail shows here in Melbourne, Australia, i can confirm they pulled HUGE crowds. Side show was sold out and their Good Things Festival sets were absolutely massive. I almost died during their opening song coz the crowd just went apeshit. Also, anyone doubting if Alex can really project his voice the way he does for Viking withouta mic, i can attest to the fact you can hear it from the back of the room. Amazing band.

[@JesusFriedChrist]

STP was here in Calgary a month or two ago. Sadly I couldn’t go because I was working, but I was able to walk past the massive crowd outside the theatre downtown, because it was right by my bus stop, and on the way to the train station. It was the most metal fans I’ve seen in one place in a long time. I hope Sleep Token comes here one day, I’d love to see them too.

[@TrustNo-1]

Awesome and if they collaborate, it’ll be insane

[@stephenadams6410]

Im fuckin fan girling out right now dude. Id kill for a tour from those two together!

[@Greg-rv5vm]

Imagine an Iowa era Slipknot and Slaughter To Prevail tour!!!

[@VictorRobotov00]

A collab here would be maybe the coolest Corey would have done since “Jump Da Fuck Up” with Max and Soulfly. Still love that song. Totally pumps me up.

[@1SIK500]

Corey such a wholesome dude. Mad respect ✊🏻

[@woody8577]

Thanks, Griffin, for introducing Corey to STP🤘🏼

[@fernandosepulveda7297]

People kept saying stp I thought stone temple pilots? Then I thought ohh slaughter to prevail I'm stupid haha.

[@nathansackett6890]

Ya, your not dumb......were old now 😂 stp IS the stone temple pilots.....not a single person on earth would think your talking about slaughter if you say "have you heard stp?"

[@chasegoetz6069]

Very wrong 😂

[@woody8577]

@@fernandosepulveda7297 Nothing wrong with that. Both are(were) great bands.

[@woody8577]

@@nathansackett6890 I beg to differ.

[@ReddDimensional]

Stone Sour opened up for Ozzy Osbourne at Pine Knob and I plus another was 4th row. That was an unforgettable concert. Both Corey and Ozzy blew the place away!!!

[@slamshammers]

Ehhh… Stone Sour is pretty lame.

[@ReddDimensional]

@slamshammers It all depends on your preferences, Stone Sour is really good if you've been through a lot.

[@iamlazarusxx66x6]

Man if they went on tour, I'd be in the hospital afterwards, but let's fxckin go.

[@vigilante351]

Corey is extremely open with his band / personal fame, and is a total legend. I know there is the current band drama happening, but thats what happens in some bands. Met him at Sydney MMM studio in 2018 and took photos, and got tattoo of his signature. Best highlight of my MetaL life!

[@PostApocalypticTank]

i love both bands, they are just amazing

[@birgitgruber8936]

Corey is the best 🥰 this man deserves love and not hate!

[@AlexSashka44]

Когда действительно получил респект от Кори Тейлора

[@tylerdamaske2871]

Cory is such a nice guy and also very funny. He always goes out of his way to support people even if they dont have a name. he always gives words of encouragement and to keep at it. But cory definitely gives off a vibe of dont f*** around or you will find out

[@charlesbasler9760]

Thought I heard Corey say "Justin, our drummer said..." I'm also falling asleep while watching this so I'm probably 100% incorrect lol

[@Alexandria87]

I caught that too and I was hoping someone else would mention that Edit: Someone in another comment said that Justin is his solo drummer.

[@Mr_jz_12]

Corey was there with his CMFT project. was talking about his drummer for that.

[@charlesbasler9760]

Ah ha...didn't even think about that lol

[@adamcoventry3064]

Corey and buds @ The Metro downtown Sydney last week was a great show. High energy, it was all about the vibe 😊

[@jkbear29]

Just saw slaughter to prevail few months back in Harrisburg Pennsylvania 🤘🏼🤘🏼 been rocking their music so much my CD don’t want to play

[@sergeimalgin3951]

Я горжусь, что он мой земляк из Екатеринбурга, жаль, что не было времени попасть на этот фэст((( он был так рядом

[@izaacestrada3]

New drummer confirmed

[@letstooastbro]

No he is talking about the drummer for his solo band

[@rferguson3]

​@letstooastbrotoad7612 Or maybe he's talking about Justin Nace, who was Jay's tech. Certainly is a beast behind the kit.

[@bigpenisparker9930]

@@letstooastbrodamn itttt I thought I heard that too and was like ooo who’s this Justin guy 😂

[@wolfpackhustler]

@@rferguson3 i don't think justin would do jay like that... wherever jay ends up next i think he'll go with him, or do his own thing seperate for slipknot

[@scottstefani7789]

Not yet

[@Warrenwalker30]

The bands ɓeen kicking ass for over 10 years there's no up and coming they've been here

[@jerminator0688]

Two awesome bands. Awesome stuff. Corey is the man.

[@LucaNoire]

Corey is a Legend and a Gentleman.

[@UN3ARTH]

You have to take a shot every time C.T says “very cool” 😂

[@A_Scanner_Lightly]

DREAM BAND: Corey & Alex with both full bands together!!🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@I_Candy0112]

It's unfortunate that Corey has been receiving such hate. Recently it's been about Weinberg: as much as I love Jay as a drummer and for what he brought to the band this last ten years, I'm sure he wasn't fired for no reason. Of course Taylor and Clown have made some pretty questionable choices (I say just them, because of the whole Chris Fehn situation), but remember guys, he is one of the most powerful (if not the most powerful), and one of the most unique voices in metal. I love that he's supporting the up-and-comers, and I respect him a lot for it (though keep in mind that Slaughter to Prevail's status seems like a lifetime away to a young musician like myself). Great stuff!

[@kevinwagner7333]

Unique voice? You're high

[@ShrubPlays]

@@kevinwagner7333 Definitely unique.

[@JuliaEnthusiast]

Corey doesn't have any control over Slipknot, it's just Clown. Corey just gets thrown in there because he's the lead singer and frontman so he's going to always get bashed to some extent. Plus Chris was a druggie that got booted from the band when he was caught doing drugs and used the lawsuit as a cover up(the Chris thing came from one of the family members of Slipknot). Also Jay did get fired for no reason by Clown....over a phone call.

[@scottstefani7789]

Jay didn't quit he was fired

[@-ANIME669]

Love Corey since 99”. That voice is so familiar

[@gurudamn9245]

Saw Slaughter to Prevail live in Beijing several years ago. I was standing in the front row. Alex Terrible was a total beast.

[@Smashingblouse]

Love Corey he’s an absolute dude. Love slaughter. Corey is older in the game and incredibly talented. Hope they become buds. Watch this space metalheads 🤘🏻😝

[@user-wd2zl9oy9t]

Man, I’d love to see Taylor’s reaction to Slaughter to Prevail performing live. Plus, it’d be sick if they all collaborated down the line.

[@Dmitrin87]

Твою ж налево, я даже мечтать не мог о том, что такая встреча состоится!!!!!!!!! 😃 Поздравляю парней 👍🤝👏👏👏!!!!!

[@rgordon4848]

What makes slaughter i think so cool to us American/western/English speaking fans and why they sound so good is i believe we focus more on the music and can hear it better. What i mean is were actually listening to the sounds that are available more clearly. That's because most of us dont know how to speak or interpret russian language. Therefore we are not distracted by lyrics, and focusing on exactly what the song itself is saying. Our attention isnt divided by lryical interpretation and music, soley focused on sounds and how they blend together.

[@wrwales]

Glad Alex got to meet Corey probably like a top moment for the band but in all reality they really should do something musically even if its small just a chorus or breakdown or something Slaughter and Corey would be awesome. If only Dime were still around they could of broken space/time and been timeless.

[@fatshady5714]

JEZUZ KRIZT!! Can you even FATHOM what music with these two bands combined would be like?!! It would rip open the very fabric of space and time!!🤘💀🤘

[@SolarDNA]

The sound would create a black hole on Earth 😆

[@joshuathomson8980]

Did anyone else hear Corey say “Dustin, our drummer”??????

[@RockFeed]

Solo band.

[@hy77faqq]

he has more than 1 band

[@jeffreydoucetvienneau8671]

I heard the same

[@joshuathomson8980]

Aaahhhhh ok yeah I forget that. I was wondering lol like how the hell did he just blurt that out with like zero thought process. Thank you for the clarification!

[@ltzbass9341]

@@RockFeedthank you for clearing this up 😂

[@CeccatelliValentina]

Alex with heart eyes is adorable

[@metalcorefan93]

I hope Corey did actually check them out afterward. I'd be more interested in his reaction to STP's set.

[@daft9904]

Lmfao Alex and Evgeny look so cute in this video, they're just fans and it's great to see such interaction !

[@nutlessmonkey1792]

The good things festival in Australia was actually crazy and both of them were sick!

[@r.alarcon784]

Blowing up right now? Chapters of Misery circa 2015 made me a solid fan...had to wait 4 years between Misery Sermon and Kolostom...and was fv

[@heavyprogressive76]

I fuckin love Corey. Always has had that core of humanity. It's just who he is. Setting an example on how to be real and true for the rest of us who might need it! Such a beauty

[@alexstadius8942]

No way😮😮They HAVE to do shows together 🎉

[@UpsonPrattJr.]

Corey Taylor is just the greatest human being of all time because of this. Think of all the great things human beings have done..... This was 10x more amazing than any of those other things.

[@YouShookItThreeTimes]

Rock Feed is always on point!!!!!

[@agreenidge]

Can you imagine Corey Taylor and Howard Jones doing a song together! 🤯🤯

[@yruphuct2]

As a rider and musician.. you can always see who has the most respect by who takes their gloves and glasses off when showing respect

[@robertmedeiros5112]

He said Dustin our drummer…

[@wretchd446]

Corey and slaughter to prevail were amazing at good things 23 👍💯

[@fuxbox]

Alex is on top of the world right now. The come up is crazy.

[@M16091974]

Going to see slaughter to prevail tonight in Adelaide, South Australia. Will be an awesome night 🤘

[@chaddolan7404]

how was it?

[@Reiver666]

Holy Shit!!!! That’s awesome!!!!

[@ariloulchillhop]

Corey is an amazing person and incredible lyricist. And STP is my favorite upcoming metal band

[@brandenMAN209]

I agree stone temple pilots are awesome

[@Mike-rg2dg]

Corey having a mask tan is legendary

[@derrekbagby2354]

Oh my god dude, Corey and Alex on a collab….. 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 THAT would be sick!!!! 🤘🏻😈🤘🏻

[@ximioo1340]

its like watching your favorite characters collab in a movie

[@bigdaddypiggy]

I’m older (52) probably around Corey’s age & while I’m not really into too many new(er) bands I’ve NEVER shit on a band who is out there doing it ….any positive attention a band gets is good for the genre & the culture as a whole & in general 🖤whether it’s your taste or not

[@SliderFury1]

Exactly man, all the "mainstream" metal bands (a lot of them deathcore at this point) get so much hate and objectively speaking, they're often not the most talented musicians/songwriters, but they attract ten times more people to the genre than the trve, super technical, 15 minute song bands ever will, and that's only a good thing. Everyone should listen to metal!! 🤘🤘

[@Darnakas]

Don't know him or his channel but i fascinated waited for him hitting the can and mess up all the table 😂

[@jonnymaglite666]

Slipknot tour witj openers Slaughter To Prevail, Paleface Swiss, Parkway Drive and Raised Fist

[@philippejoseph1215]

made my day :)

[@Sariadkgal83]

A couple of years ago at a horror convention i spotted corey at andy biersacks table and since then i dreamed of a black veil brides slipknot collab. Plz make it happen one day!

[@bcope6494]

Im genuinely happy for slaughter to prevail. I've watched them grow alot the last few years wish them all the luck 🙏

[@HosaBosa]

OMFG this would be awesome my literal top favorite bands and if they toured with Bury tomorrow omg even more awesomeness that would bring they are the 3 bands i only listen to anymore i grew up with hard rock like Shinedown which was my first ever concert which was awesome, but these three bands would be so radical to see in person.

[@khiemho162]

Man this is such a legendary moment

[@Jaycole32]

If we could get the first two albums Corey harsh vocals with Alex that would be phenomenal. Those days are gone but it's fun to dream!

[@toadfrommario943]

When’s the Adam Gontier podcast coming??

[@suavelifestyle9094]

cory is such a bro and i love it

[@NathanSalapokni]

I fully knew I might very well get a taste of panic and hell but I had to could not resist I love it :p

[@ayurluv]

the first time Alex met his father 😄

[@user-bp4hd4os5d]

О, Кори очень повезло! Я бы тоже с Slaughter to prevail с удовольствием пообщался!

[@Matthew_Klepadlo]

Now we just need Corey Taylor to get into a competition with George Fisher to see who can lift the most weight with their necks and establish dominance.

[@SIRebrum]

*Corey* ain't winning this one.