Alpha Wolf Vocalist Dragged Off Stage by Security Mid Performance

[@nikkipopadop]

No ya'll look at it again- the guy was crowd surfing, was dropped! The singer goes to yell at security & pulls his hat off to get his attention for doing that to the fan (which is COMPLETE BS) but since he knocked the hat off.. THAT'S when the security guy pulls him off the stage!! The bassist was hella ready to throw down too!! 🙌💯🙌

[@Psionicon]

The security guy was right there responding but the singer didnt like it cause he wanted to show how security is total BS to gain fan points since thats all he has been bitching about the whole tour. He got mad when it didnt go his way and SLAPPED the hat off security and FAFO... That singer has been watching to many Ronny Radke tiktoks and wanted to cash in on the hype train. But you keep rolling with your assessment. I played the video back 0.25 speed and watched it all play out.

[@Nick-i9h]

Everyone is talking about the security guy getting his hat ripped off and I'm just sitting here wondering when the hell did idubbbz become a metal vocalist? 😂

[@MovementGraffiti]

Yeah that's definitely saw on first watch, no replay needed. Definitely started w the singer

[@rebekahcarter8120]

​@@Psionicon Lochie has dissed FIR & Ronnie before. Doubt he's intentionally copying Ronnie.

[@kozmicflush980]

Bass player through his guitar, would hate if it hit anyone else other than security guard who attacked the singer

[@FLmetalhead]

I love that the guitar player was ready to bash the security guard with his guitar 😂

[@judas_saves]

Exactly what I saw first LOZ

[@corycook6949]

Right ? His band wasn't having it. I love it.

[@Chanda2106]

I was thinking the same thing 🤣

[@irubberyouglueonethousand5384]

bassists don’t get enough credit

[@dylanstephans1256]

Weak.

[@Watermonkey357]

That is crazy dangerous getting pulled off stage like that.

[@mastervaderm16]

Thank you captain obvious

[@Watermonkey357]

@@mastervaderm16 Wassup joyful how are you

[@OhrionReacts]

Idk what's worse... seeing security rip the singer off stage, or seeing security rip a crowdsurfer down and smashing the patron in the face 🤦‍♂️

[@notfamouschristopher]

Well considering first security job is to make sure the bands are safe from something happening to them, and second they are to make sure the crowd is safe. Sounds like security failed at both, got called out for it and got attacked!

[@piratesleaf1567]

or seeing the guitar get thrown lol

[@Maggot_infestedd]

It was bad.. security ripped lochie off the stage over him taking his hat. Because security didn’t do his job. The guy who got hurt flew over the barrier and lochie saw that and wasn’t having it.

[@NickGoesTrucking]

Or hitting a human being with an instrument, you conveniently left that part out

[@SkilletTRO]

​@NickGoesTrucking don't assault the people who are paying your wage for the night and you won't get smacked with a bass

[@ger5956]

Not trying to be over dramatic, but security like that could end up sending someone to the morgue. Absolutely unacceptable.

[@BulldogSp33d]

The security guard dropped the crowd surfer and Lochie didn't like that one bit.

[@dissonantgrooves]

you can see that they drop a crowd surfer right befor, and lockie looked like he was trying to to get the guards attention about it

[@RaucousRimo]

exactly what I saw

[@Cautionary_Tale_Harris]

😂 Are you serious? He swiped the guards hat off and threw it. That's not to get someone's attention. You do that to start a fight.

[@vertizwood14]

I do concert security and listen to metal music so I can see both sides to this, if he was dropping people/not adequately prepared for that kind of environment he should’ve never been in barricade that night. Most venues only get these kind of shows every blue moon and not all security can deal with that type of crowd. Management is 100% to blame for not putting capable staff in that spot tonight. I understand the singers concern too. I’ve been yelled at by a singer before because two people were launched into me at the same time and I couldn’t catch both. I understand not wanting to see your fans get hurt. But you cannot put your hands on security (or anyone for that matter) and not expect retaliation. Dragging someone off stage isn’t cool, but neither is grabbing someone’s head who’s working.

[@dansXmonXsang]

That’s exactly what happened. I was there, security guard dropped someone else too and pushed me so hard that I dropped my phone … thinking about filing a complaint too

[@ericpeterson9110]

@@vertizwood14 That's the thing. Crowdsurfers are engaging in something dangerous willingly, they take the risk.

[@FLmetalhead]

He knocked off the security guards hat and then the security guard chimped out. He could have broken an arm or leg or gotten a concussion from that depending how he landed.

[@Mr.Monster1313]

Chimped out 😂😂😂😂

[@ericpeterson9110]

Bunch of people using their caveman brain, both singer and security. Both need to do better.

[@WutzRockin]

100% True about Lochie and AlphaWolf. I’ve been to several shows and Lochie is ALWAYS vocal first when the guards aren’t catching/helping fans. Then he tries to get their attention to do a better job. AlphaWolf is ALWAYS looking out for their fans.

[@Psionicon]

Sure... sounds like to me they watch too many Ronny Radke tiktoks and want to cash in on something that isnt really going on to get that hype and controversy train moving.

[@WutzRockin]

@ You’re entitled to your opinion.

[@Psionicon]

@@WutzRockin Sorry if you thought I was shitting on your cake and calling it icing.., not trying to downplay your opinion, its just what I saw on the vid. Knowing the Metal scene is over saturated with bands (they mostly all sound the same now) they have to create controversy in order to get noticed and get sales going or they fall short = end of career. I watched the video on 0.25 speed and I saw something totally different than what others claimed they saw. Hell, even the "journalist" lied about it. .I just decided to be honest with myself, even though I dont like the idea of the music I love could ever do anything dishonest, but there it was and I cant support a lie. Anywho, you seem nice and I wish you all the best and God bless.

[@MaharlikaAWA]

It's not security's job to catch crowd surfers or keep stupid people from getting hurt. When you mosh or crowd surf it is as your own risk and if you get hurt its your own fault. Security is only there to stop fights, stop illegal activity, protect the venue and staff etc. Not catch crowd surfers all night. He was actually trying to help the crowd surfer down. The singer is a very arrogant entitled wannabe rock star. I would never book them after seeing this.

[@StevenZissimos]

​@@Psionicon lmao what a load of crap. That security guard very clearly wasn't doing his job and flipped out on Lochie because he was called out for it. Don't care if you like or dislike the band, that is inexcusable behaviour. And FYI, the band despises Falling In Reverse.

[@DeagleLas]

There's a guy crowdsurfing. When the guy reaches near the stage, the security guard stops him and the guy abruptly falls to the ground. THEN, John goes down to talk to the security guard, and he just ignores him. He pulls his hat (I suppose he wanted to pull his attention) and I suppose he's asking why he had let that guy fall to the ground. And THEN it's when he pulls him off the stage. I don't know if John went too hard with the security guard but, seeing all the sequence, I think that security guard needs some help and should not work in security any more.

[@inosuke4708]

Yeah you shouldn’t work security if you can’t handle an intense situation without flying off the handle. Had this exact issue at the last show I went to and it was basically ruined because of it

[@Cautionary_Tale_Harris]

You're kinda close. There's a guy crowd surfing. When the guy reaches the stage, the security guard stops him and the guy abruptly falls to the ground. John grabs the guard's hat. And THEN it's when the guard pulls him off the stage. Best Case: the singer thought the guard made the surfer fall and grabbed the guard's hat because he was angry at the guard. He grabbed it and threw it into the crowd. You don't do that to get someone's attention unless it's to fight 😂

[@calebhohneke8482]

@@Cautionary_Tale_Harris The singer was 100% looking for a fight and got it. People acting like ripping off someone's hat isn't an aggressive move. You do that to anyone and there will probably be a fight. Rarely will "can I have my hat back, please" be the following response lol

[@vertizwood14]

The security never had a chance to ignore him. He immediately knocked off his hat, if you wanna cuss him out cuss him out, hell cuss the venue out, don’t put your hands on security

[@inosuke4708]

@@vertizwood14 security shouldn’t be touched but they will be. They need to be able to control their reactions. A hat grab shouldn’t equate to cancel the entire night because 2 dudes wanted to fight immediately. It’s lame

[@cerealkilla34]

I'm just waiting for the classic PD style response to the assault on the singer, "we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing. "

[@ethangregorymusic]

Security guards aren't real cops, just imaginary ones in their mind.Teir biggest authority is actually just to call the real cops Unfortunately concert culture has allowed them to get away with assaulting fans for decades.

[@furinteeth5845]

LOL Singer grabbed the sec guys hat, took it off, sec guy grabbed him. It's all right there. Common RockFeed, you should have seen it like we all do

[@d3th5tar]

That is messssseeeeddddddddd uuuuupppppppppppppp. I hope that "security" dude NEVER works for a venue or a show EVER AGAIN.

[@vertizwood14]

Nah that’s a stretch. He definitely shouldn’t work a show with an active crowd. You have to keep in mind that this is just one of many genres of music stopping through. Not every security guard likes or wants sweaty people jumping into their arms. Who ever his boss is that placed him there that night should be disciplined. Management gets told by tour about crowdsurfing way before the main set. Someone set him up for failure if they knew that’s how he was gonna react.

[@ethan.branthoover3460]

​@@vertizwood14when youre a security guard, they genre of music doesnt matter at all. Its their responsibility to keep a safe enviroment. When they become the ones that start the chaos, thats when they should be fired and never work a comcert again. Its far from a management issue, its 100% the fault of this shitty security guard

[@vertizwood14]

@ I agree with you the guard lost his crap and it wasn’t cool. Singer sure did learn to keep his hands to himself next time though.

[@zuzana.k]

@@vertizwood14 'Wasn't cool'? Are you aware that people died falling off of stage? Even though you make some valid points in your comments, there is no way pulling a person down from stage and actively endangering his life or health can be excused by the person taking his hat first. Especially when as a security guard you're supposed to protect people's safety. The singer was just trying to get his attention - I bet that even from your experience artist are not the ones starting fights, they are there to perform...

[@vertizwood14]

@ exactly, and that makes his actions not cool 😭

[@Sultanofsimps]

That basses was gonna smash his head in😂

[@RaijuFiction]

I hope that fan knows he can sue the venue for his injuries, and this video will slam dunk that lawsuit win. Didn't even TRY to help catch him. Kudos to the singer for calling him right out on it.

[@Hiei999]

Love how Sabian has Lochie's back. Ready to throw down from his brother.

[@Angel_Silver]

OMG!!! I was just looking at the footage and asking myself, “Isn’t that the Warfield?!” I saw some amazing shows there growing up, including Mötley Crüe and the Ramones. Everything was Bill Graham Presents back in those days. He ran and produced all of the great shows back in the day like Day On The Green. Since he passed away, the shows are extremely expensive and not as well organized. Security is supposed to PROTECT not ATTACK the band!!! If Bill Graham was still around, that “security guard” would have been fired on the spot!

[@dollardan]

Saw Alpha Wolf last night and they absolutely killed it.

[@WeWokeTheGiants]

We need to get security to protect the fans and band from the venue security.

[@NickJ7903]

Security in front of the stage are supposed to assist crowd surfers in landing on their feet and then redirecting them back into the crowd. Its a few feet that the crowd surfer dropped because the security guard didn't even attempt to catch him, and the singer reacted to this by taking off the securities hat. Bands genuinely do care about their fans, and security at venues seem to be becoming a lot lazier in recent years. It is part of securities job to catch those crowd surfers. But to then drag the singer off the stage and the band's gear too, there is no wonder why the guitarists acted the way they did. The band did the tight thing and its also important to remember that people do get injured when they don't get catched like they're supposed to, and when security doesn't intervene in situations, and people also get hurt when they get pushed or dragged off stage!

[@iFilmLiveMusicUS]

It was an accident. I can assure you I've attended more shows in just the last 2 years than you have in your entire life. You have no clue, at all.

[@chunter3882]

Are you Blind? He took the hat off the security guard or he smacked him in the back of the head. He was not trying to shake hands with a fan.

[@111Moose]

So what? Security dude should have got packed out anyway. This is ridiculous.

[@theahearn2658]

If you watch it slowed down you see that he actually did both of those things. He hit the security guard after taking his beanie off 4 different times. That is assault

[@theahearn2658]

​Oh Moose, you're so far off its sad. Dont assault people. Because more times than not you'll get your ass kicked. Which is what the lead singer found out happens 😂

[@Edge51]

More respect for Alpha Wolf! Protect everyone in the mosh pit we are not out to hurt people. Mosh pits and crowd surfers may do something dangerous but we look out for each other and we do not intentionally hurt others as we are all friends.

[@angelxofxdeath]

The fact that as a security guard youre letting fans hit the ground hard, you need to find a different line of work, do your fuckin job

[@iFilmLiveMusicUS]

So you've never had an accident at your job before? You're perfect and have never messed up ever in your life before?

[@zombieparrot2606]

“We didn’t like how they said we were mistreating people, so in response, we mistreated them.”

[@AngerSam]

I remember seeing Alphwolf in Brisbane a while back and they got into a fight with the security over something similar at that gig too. Sabian dove headfirst off the stage to throw hands with security. The lads really do not fuck around with their fans safety.

[@StevenZissimos]

Mad respect to those guys. They take everyone's safety seriously.

[@ericpeterson9110]

Yes, fighting people, definitely something I accociate with safety.

[@adammassacre4715]

The vocalist should never have put his hands on the security guard regardless of his intentions. He is not attempting to "shake hands with a fan" you can clearly see he grabbed his hat which more than likely pulled at his hair. However petty that is its still considered assault so the guard CAN retaliate and did so. Musicians dont have a free pass just because they are on stage to grab whoever they want like that not to mention the bass player commited a serious assualt when hitting someone with his bass.

[@SkilletTRO]

Just because he's security doesn't mean he's allowed to do whatever he wants, either.

[@CrispyTarantula]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@SkilletTRO Nobody is saying that. 😂 The security guard probably didn’t even know it was a band member. He grabbed him right after his hat got knocked off. Either way, knocking someone’s hat off is disrespectful, and considered hostile. He should’ve spoke to him like a man, instead of trying to get his attention like that. I have no idea what that vocalist was thinking.

[@SudoJay]

Mushroom Head came out when my brother got beat up with a mag light by security in Tampa and they busted his head open.The bad gave him ice and signed his blood-soaked shirt. I will never forget how nice they were. Thanks Mushroom Head for always being stand-up dudes!

[@LionAndALamb]

This is so typical of some of the security guys metal and punk shows. If some giant behemoth of a man is bullying people, they try to reason with him. But if some 120lbs kid is crowd surfing, they have no problem head spiking him. Now they're attacking the band as well? Next time the singer will remember to bring the mic stand with him if he's going to intervene with security.

[@ceciliamackie]

Hi, Cecilia here. It’s great to meet you!

[@tjcaruthers5593]

There was no shaking hands. That security guy dropped the crowd surffer, the vocalist didnt look like he was going to hit the security, but he moved his arm in the direction of assholes face and then security pulled the singer off the stage. I get catching kids and saving them from injuries is something you probably didnt sign up for when you chose your career path but you were hired to keep the attending public safe which in all honestly you failed to do what you were supposed to do. Fire this guy.

[@silentagony1019]

I think I’ve watched them 2 times already here in my home town and I’m glad I’ve never seen the venue discriminating against any fans or the artists themselves. It’s always a blast to see them live but it’s sad to see that this happen with other venues that don’t have proper security

[@Heebiejeebz]

To be fair, the security guy didn't throw the fan down. The fan reached the barricade and the other fans actively shoved his body off them while the security were setting up to catch him. It's literally in 4k lol. Both security guards there attempted to catch him very clearly, but didn't expect him to get shoved off. Then the vocalist rips the guards hat off in a disrespectful manor. Sure the security shouldn't have pulled him off the stage, but entertainers also don't have the right to put hands on security like that. There were other ways to get his attention. Dude is human and reacted to being physically grabbed at from behind in less than half a second. He probably didn't even register that it was the performer grabbing him, most likely thought it was a fan. He didn't continue to pummel him or anything, just brought him down and realized the mistake. Clearly he shouldn't be working in security if this is his reaction, but he isn't at fault for what happened with the fan. The vocalist saw the fan go down but didn't see what led up to it, instead of tapping him on the shoulder or calling him out on the mic in his hands. He screams off mic, like the guard doesn't have ear plugs in and was actively trying to get the fan up; then He rips his hat off his head. You get what you put out. You can't be in a band named alpha wolf and be surprised when your violence is met with violence lol. These guys are being paid like $16-19 an hour to catch humans who are actively kicking and flailing the whole time. A few people naturally go down, it comes with these types of shows. I grew up going to hardcore shows, If you crowdsurf or mosh you're putting yourself in a potentially dangerous situation. Security are human and there are only 4-6 of them for a crowd of people. No one can predict how the crowd of people will launch your 140lbs body, especially people that didn't want your body on them to begin with. The guy will most likely lose his job, but honestly he could probably counter sue for the entertainer putting there hands on him like that. The entertainer escalated the situation that was already being dealt with. Emotional people create volatile situations. Props to the band for not being pussies and backing their singer up, but everyone in this situation is a dumbass; especially the vocalist. Dude created the situation as soon as he went hands on, security turned him into a beta wolf in less than a second 🤣. Having a grown man grab you will change your perspective real quick. Our music scene is already struggling to keep venues afloat, demonizing the already underpaid security will kill the scene even quicker. There is a reason warped tour and shit like that don't exist anymore.

[@marcuswyatt5300]

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[@minecraftsteve2504]

You smell like cheese

[@thomasleerling]

Dude you nailed it on the spot

[@Whydoineedoneyo]

Dude, just wrote a book…

[@scarknuckle]

Shaking hands? 😂 he clearly grabbed the security guys head. As the security guard is a real life human and not a robot he had every right to do what he did. Narcissism is real.

[@ChillinWithBrody]

Must've been an off duty cop moonlighting as a security guard. He looked way too comfortable, snatching him off the stage like that, almost like he does that sort of thing on the daily. 😂

[@iVETAnsolini]

Doubt that. But the whole situation is sad and not cool

[@FuneralofHearts1313]

That was so dangerous by the security guard.

[@thomasleerling]

Knocking someone's hat off doesn't exactly look like he's trying to high five a fan. That was very intentional. Also to the crowdsurfer stating the security guard didn't try to catch him, you can clearly see the security guard reaching out his hands to grab him from the audience, but he probably just failed in pulling him down and accidentally dropped him. Shit happens. If you dont wanna sprain your ankle, dont go crowdsurfing. Put the thing in slow motion and its easy to see Lochie was put of place here and never should have put his hands on the security guard in the first place

[@little_flower_vagabond]

you know what: this is what being “metal/punk” IS. you stand up against bs and homie straight up did. props to him as a good person and a phenomenal vocalist. F**K that “security” guard. i’ve been to so many shows and i have NEVER seen mistreatment of an audience member or an artist like this. pulling the equipment is also highly dangerous, like, bodily harm, potential fire risk, financial loss, even. if anything, audience members get huffy at security for not letting them even mosh a little or get close to barricades. shoutout alpha wolf, i hope that the person who fell is okay and won’t be fearful of going to shows in the future, and that “investigative leave” is gd permanent. don’t work with people, especially when you’re meant to keep them safe, if you don’t like people.

[@Frederick0220]

What's wild is I just saw these guys in Chicago when they opened up for Dayseeker

[@janaskibo871]

I got hurt crowd surfing at a concert. I didn't want to be crowd surfing but got picked up. I hope he's alright.

[@ceciliamackie]

Keep it up! Your vibe is fantastic!

[@ceciliamackie]

I adore your style! You’re doing an excellent job.

[@CristianKirk]

The singer is not trying to shake hands with anybody, he clearly tried to get the guard's attention cause he likely didn't like how security was handling the crowdsurfers.

[@semmcstevenson]

I guess the security guy showed the singer guy who the head wolf really IS!!!!😂. Yoink…. Yer gone , son.

[@Caleb_Staley]

@@semmcstevenson nah all he did is show everyone he has a fragile ego 😭

[@calebhohneke8482]

@@Caleb_Staley Idk fellow Caleb. If someone ripped my hat off, I probably wouldn't ask politely for it back haha. How a dude chooses to react to that kinda thing is on them and if they choose to bring it up a notch...can't say that I would blame them honestly. It's like if someone pokes you in the chest...No real harm done there, but when you do that you fully accept the potential following consequences.

[@Caleb_Staley]

@ hello fellow Caleb, I see your point, but I don’t think taking someone’s hat is the same thing as a poke on the chest. He was tryna get his attention cause he was letting crowd surfers fall… the only reason he’s there. Seems kinda childish to pull someone off a 8ft platform over something like that

[@calebhohneke8482]

@@Caleb_Staley I agree that the response was over the top and not proportionate....But I know people who will go 100% at ya if you want to square up and start something too lol. That's why I do my best to avoid confrontation in the first place. You never know who you are going up against and how far they will go. I'm assuming this security dude is one those hot heads that goes 100% easily...but the singer seems like a bit of a hot head too. Considering he whipped the dudes hat into the crowd, it seemed like an act of aggression vs getting his attention imo. That and according to others at that show, was spouting off at security (and has been doing so at multiple shows/venues this tour). I get his concerns and frustration about the fan safety, but they should have stopped the set and dealt with it professionally. They were both childish in that situation. The singer was asking for a fight and you can't just assume people are gonna play fair in a fight. Know what I mean? Both the band and the security company HAVE to do better in the future.

[@calebhohneke8482]

@@Caleb_Staley Sorry for the essay reply btw lol. This is one of those subjects that I find hard to fit into a few sentences (I'm a Caleb of the rambling variety).

[@bcreekm]

Not only did the security guy not help the crowdsurfer, but he pushed the crowd surfers' leg, making the fall much worse... the lead singer tried to get his attention, and the security guy grabbed him, pulled him off the stage, and assaulted him.

[@marcuswyatt5300]

You can't say tried to get his attention. Even tho small, the singer assaulted the guard first. You can't make it look like it's just the guard by saying the guard assaulted and the singer is perfect just trying to get his attention. Nah. The singer is just as guilty and started the altercation.

[@StevenZissimos]

​@@marcuswyatt5300 knocking someone's hat off isn't nearly the same as being dragged off the stage and almost getting a concussion. Not even close. Come on dude.

[@ekselentofficial]

Dude seeing Sabian chunk his guitar like that is insane

[@l4zrh4wk]

It looks to me like confusion on the security guards side. I think he might've thought the vocalist was actually a fan that had got on the stage and was trying to knock his hat off or something.

[@marcuswyatt5300]

Everyone sucked. If people weren't supposed to crowd surf because the chances of getting hurt. The rule is in place probably for a reason. Like the reason they dont have enough security to safely allow people to crowd surf and they dont want people getting hurt. If thats the case, the singer had no right to do what he did. Alpha Wolf always be trying to start shit too. Im glad the security guard grabbed him off stage. Jus cuz ur a singer in a band doesnt give you the right to treat people that way. If there was no rule and crowd surfing was all right then the security guards let everyone down, literally and metaphorically. Good job on Alpha Wolf getting his attention and not letting that shit fly, unnoticed. All in all, it depends on rules and who broke them. Our opinions and how we feel mean nothing.

[@KirstyForshaw-i8n]

You can see the crowd surfer just drop. That's unacceptable. I gasped. If you're working a rock show, you should expect crowd surfers and treat them like people.

[@SpeedyMckeezy]

jesus... talk about an immature reaction. why is it always these big dudes being the most sensitive

[@ConcertFootageNate]

I love how fast the bass player threw his guitar down and the guitar player was gonna bash dude Kurt Cobain style ( Dallas Trees Show) wtf kinda security is this? I hope this isn’t something that grows out of control..Security is in place to protect the crowd and the band not hurt them..

[@buenmin799]

"Maybe shaking hands with some fans" No he was not. He wanted to get the attention of the security guy (who has letting someone drop down while crowdsurfing and therefore not doing his job) and pulled away his hat instead of tapping his shoulder in the act. Which is understandable but clearly the reason that escalated the situation.

[@vincentrockel1149]

What a joke. If you do dumb shit like crowd surfing it's on you, not security to make yourself safe. What a baby. That's like getting in a mosh pit and getting upset at security because you got an elbow in the face.

[@slinky8319]

I guess as you said when the vocalist was trying to "shake the hand of the fan" he totally missed and the shake turned into a Hat grab of security 🤔 Are you sure thats what you saw Rock feed?

[@ericb7095]

We gonna gloss over the clear footage of him grabbing dudes hat off his head? Can’t really hear the excuse of him trying to get his attention and taking his hat. Not how this works.

[@prettydollswagg]

You people are ridiculous seriously someone accidentally got dropped crowd surfing that doesn’t give the vocalist the right to snatch him and knock his hat off. He wanted to throw hands first he got dealt accordingly.

[@melissaarguello5684]

That security company should not be hired for any event!!! That is not only completely unprofessional but completely unsafe. Totally stand with Alpha!

[@eaglesandowls]

We should just wait until further information comes out. The singer does make the first move by knocking off his hat. Also, even though each employee represents their company, it's unfair to punish the entire company because of the actions of one person.

[@gregoryosbun4141]

I'm not familiar with this security company, but I wouldn't go as far as that. Just because one person did it doesn't mean all should not be hired for any event. So far they did the first part right with the investigative leave and if the investigation confirms the incident, the other part would be to fire that individual.

[@captassassin5680]

@@eaglesandowlsWhen it comes to the security? Yes the actions of one definitely represent the company as a whole. Who’s to say this hasn’t happened before, just nobody recorded it. All a security company has is its reputation. What that guard did was dangerous and unprofessional. How do we know this won’t happen again? An example needs to be made.

[@SkilletTRO]

​@@gregoryosbun4141you don't understand how ownership and liability works

[@linkinguy420]

Dont be a security gaurd if not ready to catch peep

[@Imperialomen]

The Warfield has had like two metal shows in 10 years these workers don't know how to handle how intense the shows are. The security guards are not ready for this. Not a excuse but it does give context. Most of the shows at the Warfield don't have moshing or crowd surfing at all and in fact crowd surfing is not allowed in almost any venue in SF even though it does happen.

[@mattruffner2463]

NOW PAY THAT LEAD SINGER 10X HIS NIGHTLY EARNINGS!

[@HeavyMetalCoasters]

Security could have broken his leg grabbing him down like that! That’s a damn shame.

[@AustinD1993]

Investigative leave???? How about FIRED. Sounds like security guard has anger issues and lacks self control. Never snatch a band member off stage in the middle of a performance wtf

[@kirbdini]

Falling from a stage can has severe consequences. Zappa got super messed up being pulled off.

[@publicmenace238]

Lol no the singer ripped security's hat off😂 Thats why he dragged him off stage

[@smileygladhands]

Exactly!

[@neilpatrickhairless]

So knocking off a person's hat rightfully escalates into being dragged off of a stage So does the dragging off the stage rightfully escalate in a security guard getting shot between the eyes with a 9MM pistol? I'm all about "proportional" responses, so help me out here y'all

[@neilpatrickhairless]

At the very bare minimum by your metrics, the security guard had a broken kneecap coming, we can all agree on this correct?

[@calebhohneke8482]

​@@neilpatrickhairless Yanking off someone's hat (possibly smacking him in the head too) is considered assault and battery (Google it if you don't believe me). How someone chooses to react when they are assaulted is up to them. Alpha Wolf's vocalist acted tough, wanted a fight, and got his fight. I'm of the mindset that you keep your hands to yourself unless you want the following consequences. You can look at things in "proportional responses" all you want, but the truth is that if you don't instigate something, then you don't have to worry about proportionality in the first place. Can we agree on that? haha

[@pramusetyakanca1552]

​@@calebhohneke8482, still doesn't justify the act of pulling him off stage with such force. WTF, man? Look, I get the vocalist paid for the consequences of his action, but ffs such a response, a response that could've led to the vocalist getting injured no less, ain't a good move either

[@mitchellmantell4754]

I’m an alpha wolf fan and while the security did the wrong thing they should’ve called it out in a more appropriate way instead of trying to act like tough bois. Why would you risk your visa like that.

[@Rob_Cary]

The outraged: They had the right to drag him off! He messed with his hat! People paying attention: Security wasn't doing their job. The outraged: Yeah but I have to side with authority figures no matter what

[@brandonharris9160]

Security needs to get sued and lose their job

[@JimDewdGuitars]

If the singer don't win, we all jump in!

[@vonclod123]

Someones getting fired and sued, probably can see a contract being lost. The security at my favourite venue are great, the help out with the crowd surfers, make sure people land safe.

[@Artburndesign]

Looks like the singer grabbed the security’s head

[@neugey]

Please do a segment on Jon Schaffer. The crap that guy went through, and the way some people in the industry threw him under the bus was unbelievable.

[@buddybrozy]

pretty clear the singer took the security guard's hat/beanie, then found out he's not the alpha wolf

[@jakehimself6719]

He wasn't reaching out to shake hands. He took the guys hat off and the guy went mental.

[@John_Souls]

Not the first, and definitely not the last when this guy have problems with venue employees.

[@1ColdCanadian]

I was first hand witness to this kind of security issue. Back in 04 I saved Al Jourgensen from Ministry from a trip to a Winnipeg hospital during the opening bands set, yet right after that security manhandled Al with a forearm to his throat. Uncle Al was F'n pissed... I don't blame him one bit. But in retrospect that incident made for one hell of a concert. Pretty intense and unforgetable. Seems that both of these cases the security can't differentiate the differnce between the talent and the audience. On the back of my ticket it stated "NO STAGE DIVING!!!"....and guess who stage dove. I bet that this latest incident is extremely similar.

[@Corvy952]

Whether the singer started it or not, the security guards level of aggression in his reaction is waaay too disproportionate to what the singer did. Singer knocked his hat off or smacked him in the back of the head, I’m sorry but that does not warrant the security guard full on dragging the singer off the stage in that manner. That type of dragging could have easily seriously injured the singer, broken a limb or heavy concussion. That was vicious and the band should definitely sue the security guard and possibly the venue.

[@Boroffski]

“Rent-a-cops?!” “I hate rent-a-cops too!”

[@smokes..letsgo..]

The big FOB couldn’t handle copping a gob full. Shame he didn’t wear that guitar.

[@rebekahcarter8120]

Maybe grabbing the security guard's beanie wasn't the wisest move but I think it was justified in light of what happened with the dropped crowd surfer. Maybe Sabian throwing his guitar wasn't the wisest move either but I'm proud of him for being willing to fight for his bandmate. Security pulling him off stage was beyond ridiculous & could have been very dangerous.

[@alinack69]

He wasn't reaching to shake anyone's hand, he stole the security guy's hat. Does that incident alone constitute being pulled off stage? No. But there was also no need for multiple people to jump in and throw/thrust guitars at the security. Violence is cringe, the situation was handled poorly from ALL involved.

[@Bearlyontime]

Man that's rough!

[@sasquatchpatrol9317]

Lead singer was in the wrong. Security shouldn't intentionally drop people but it does happen. LS attacked security and found out what happens haha.

[@iFilmLiveMusicUS]

Dude exactly. It was clearly an accident. I've seen it happen MANY MANY times in just the last couple years. I've seen the person dropped get up and start trying to swing at security only to get carried out by 4 other guards. This is a ridiculous video and all the fans defending this band clearly haven't been to enough shows to see that these kinds of things do happen.

[@Qwertyrfvgy]

Security is wrong for pulling singer off stage but why is it the Securities job to catch crowd surfers? You choose to do something then take some personal responsibility... Also why be mad at Security when it's your fellow fans that had you in their hands and chose to launch you rather than help you down... Its like jumping in a mosh pit and complaining that Security didn't stop you being hit 😂

[@timothyvonvictory7105]

He thought he could mess with the guy because he's high and mighty on stage. Think again, buddy. You wanna play the tough guy you're gonna get what's coming

[@ARO323]

I think the guitarist actually smacked the guard with his guitar 😂

[@captainDL3]

You saw exactly what he did to the security guard with his hand prior to being pulled off of the stage. Why would you be deceptive and misleading verbally? “Maybe he was trying to shake hands with the fan crowdsurfing…” Dont be a fraud “journalist”. Despite the confused & poor reaction from the security guard, that guy with a mic made his own bed here.

[@ThatMarasti]

💯. You hit the nail on the head. Exact reason I just ended my subscription to this channel.

[@ex0gen-]

Singer is trying to get the security guards attention since obviously he watched a crowd surfer fall and did nothing. Shit gets wild at these like astroworld and he's PAID to be on the lookout thecrowds safety.

[@captainDL3]

@@ex0gen- get honest with yourself first, and then you will have the ability to get honest with the world you observe.

[@Psionicon]

100% and to have RockFeed knowingly lie about what was going on says a lot... As far as Im concerned, the singer FAFO. Unsubbed...

[@johnbeckwith1361]

My thoughts exactly.

[@SlyRyFry]

security would have an interesting walk back to the car after pulling that around here lol

[@blackpiranaha525]

I was at the show and saw it from middle of the floor, can't speak for what happened to gather guy crowd surfing (they gave their own breakdown of events as stated) the singer did throw the security guy's hat and in turn was pulled off stage along with a box of wiring. Bass player threw the bass (probably meant to throw at security and slipped out of hands early into another audience member) the whole altercation was all bad and blame can be given to both sides. To anyone there who was injured, obviously wish them the best. But F that security guy because letting someone fall is one thing but dragging someone off stage is a step too far. 🖕

[@meganlovesdisneyandcrafts4780]

people in " power" are OUT OF CONTROL!

[@Cautionary_Tale_Harris]

Not sure what the policy on crowd surfing is but the crowd surfer was toted towards the security guy. The security guy puts his hand on the surfer. It looks to me, at 1:11, the security guy pulled the surfer towards himself and the people holding the surfer up let the surfer drop at the same time. The security guy's head never moves much. The singer then reaches down, grabs the security guy's hat. (No idea where our host gets the notion that the singer was trying to shake hands with fans. 😂 ) The security guy then grabs the singer and pulls him down. The singer throws the hat as the security guy pulls him.

[@zhdrums3872]

That poor guitar... Dude just chucked it

[@athehut]

3:45 lol “security didn’t even try and catch me” Poor Andrew.

[@TheStabbedGaiusJuliusCaesar]

The singer obviously was taunting the security guard smacking him over the head knocking off his cap which is seen flying off of the guy's head. That said, it doesn't mean he can just grab his leg and potentially cause serious harm to him by dragging him down from the stage.

[@saltygh0st124]

Contrary to many fan's belief, crowd surfing is done at your own risk. There is no guarantee or obligation for them to catch you. I like Alpha Wolf, but he had no right to aggressively snatch the security guy's hat off his head. FAFO

[@fylzero]

I mean, the singer wasn't reaching out to shake hands with fans, he clearly ripped off the security guards hat. Not saying the response was the correct one, but the singer clearly touched the security guard first.

[@devonboes2376]

Imagine getting smashed by the band and still receiving a lawsuit 😂 security was dumb for this.

[@Judah-m4l]

I’m lucky that I’ve never experienced that before

[@Snaffdude]

Never heard of Alpha Wolf... I'll buy their latest album on principle 👊

[@joshuang3919]

I was there, but was in the back and couldn’t see what happened. Thanks for the info! Kind of sucks because this will probably leave a bad impression of the Bay Area on them. I hope they come back and give us a second chance at one of our better venues.

[@marcuswyatt5300]

Question. You were at the show. Did the venue have a rule of no crowd surfing at that show? If you have limited security crowd surfing can lead to serious injury or death so sometimes they jus say not to do it.

[@lindsey9678]

Where was this?

[@ScotianBlooded]

where was the rest of the band if that was my singer I'm rioting

[@charleschi843]

I like when bros are ready to defend their bro. Guitars become axes instantly.