Rocky Marciano vs Jersey Joe Walcott II - May 15, 1953

Rocky Marciano vs Jersey Joe Walcott II
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Rocky was behind on points in their first fight, but scored a knockout in round 13. This is the rematch, and Rocky's first title defense.
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Their records at the time (W-L-D):
Rocky Marciano: 43-0-0
Jersey Joe Walcott: 51-17-2

[@ScottMartinD]

Counting that fast you don't wait until "Nine & 3/4" to start getting up.

[@watchmanonthewall14]

Bingo!

[@livevil133]

he did that inteiontally, due to FEAR

[@Lucille69caddy]

Walcott got another taste of Rocco’s power and said, “Nahh, ima just gonna stay right here”🤣

[@JohnD-xk9io]

He knew he couldn't win

[@keithsymons5708]

Rocky Marciano where fear wasn't in his vocabulary and pain had no meaning

[@cquilty1]

keith symons Similar to Marvin Hagler

[@johnwest7463]

Wolcott called Marciano a bum before the first fight he ate those words

[@MarvelousVerse796]

Even with those misses you can tell Rocky had power in those fist 💪

[@JuanGonzales-zd9yf]

Walcott didn't look hurt. Looked more like a flash knock down. If Tyson had hit either one of them, they wouldn't have gotten up. Walcott was too old, and Rocky was too small for a heavy wt.

[@Heavenly_Father]

Rocky was 5'10 same as Tyson

[@Lucille69caddy]

@@JuanGonzales-zd9yfWhy bring up Tyson? WGAF? And that was no “flash knockdown”, jealous boyeee. That was a left hook-right cross combo KO.

[@Elvis-guy1973]

​@@JuanGonzales-zd9yfYou must be kidding Tyson would run away crying from Walcott and Rocky would fell him in 5/6 rounds.😂😂

[@surrealistidealist]

Rocky knew from their last encounter how dangerous the clever Walcott could be. He didn't want to waste a single chance to get the knockout. Walcott tried to get up in time, but he seemed too dazed to process the count he was hearing. He disputed the loss and didn't plan on retiring right after this fight, but when he finally saw the film he changed his mind.

[@Stout_Krout_HinesburgVT6337]

How do you know Walcott didn't plan on retiring after this fight?

[@Stout_Krout_HinesburgVT6337]

How do you know when he saw the film he changed his mind?

[@Stout_Krout_HinesburgVT6337]

You write good comments but it's mind boggling why you must continue to lie over and over again and again.

[@Stout_Krout_HinesburgVT6337]

I'll never understand. Do you lie for likes. Or do you lie because you really believe in your lies?

[@Stout_Krout_HinesburgVT6337]

Why not just defend Rocky on merit alone? Is that possible? Or do you not understand the difference between truth and lies?

[@zeppelinl6275]

Lesson of the day. If you wait till the last second it just might be your last second.

[@watchmanonthewall14]

Bingo!

[@unrequited8200]

You can tell Walcott is MUCH more cautious the first round of this fight compared to his first meeting with Marciano. He got a taste of Marciano's punching power in their first fight and wasn't a fan of it. It still didn't do him any good.

[@watchmanonthewall14]

After their first fight, Walcott came to realize that 1) Rocky could take all of his best punches, punches that had knocked out many fighters before that, 2) Rocky could put 15 rounds of non stop pressure on him, 3) Rocky's punches hurt, not just the one that KO'd him in the 13th round. Realizing all of that, he tried a different strategy of repeatedly engaging, then quickly tying up Rocky in order to try to neutralize him. When he got flashed knocked down in the first round, he was not severely hurt. But you could see it in his body language that many things were going through his mind in those seconds on the ground. He did not want to go through hell again, so he POSSIBLY purposely stayed down a half second too long and then through a fit, claiming that he beat the count. The rest is history. Peace.

[@watchmanonthewall14]

@Retr1bute Yes, sir. Thanks for responding.

[@harryheath4279]

He tasted it throughout the first fight and still fought like a demon till that last one in the 13th round that right-hand melted him as salt on a snail anyone that goes through that before wanting some more would rather just home home healthy in one piece than another war

[@johnjordan6032]

That’s because this fight was FIXED so he was just waiting on the perfect punch to fake go down on.

[@Elvis-guy1973]

Walcott said of Marciano," he didn't understand pain." That says it all.

[@preacherman777]

It's clear that Joe could have gotten up long before he was counted out. For whatever reason, he just chose not to.

[@harryheathheath5050]

Yeah the memory of himself splatered on the floor after that ko must have been on his mind that's a lot of hurt to come back from and after going all out in the first fight took all his soul his goal was not to get clobbered as bad as he did the first time and get that money now!

[@carlomagno7092]

he didn't want to get another brain damage

[@JohnBarrylizard]

I wouldn't have gotten up either. He never forgot round 13 of the previous fight. He totally out-boxed and was way ahead of Marciano before that horrific punch. Marciano never got discouraged. Never stopped. This was a payday.

[@jean-pierrethibaudeau7201]

Yep. This looks a lot like the Ali-Liston second fight.

[@pauldavis22]

His head was clear. He was watching the count to get up at nine. If you watch the count you will see how the ref skipped nine and went directly to ten.

[@chubbycatfish4573]

Jersey Joe just wanted a plump check for his retirement.

[@stuartperry1047]

Yeah. I agree. I never saw the punch- tbh. The referee's instructions lasted longer than the fight.

[@BottleBri]

Walcott should’ve at least got himself into a crouched position to stand up, rather than sit there on his ass until 8 then start to slowly get up. A fighter who wanted to carry on would never have sat there like that. I think he knew there was more pain coming all night long if he got up. Marciano, you can all have your own opinions, but he was strong as a bull, fit, and was looking every second of the fight to take your head off. You couldn’t stop the man. Well- 49 people couldn’t. He didn’t look much- that’s where people get it all wrong about Marciano. He didn’t look much, but he WAS much.

[@TA152H01]

It looks to me the knockdown was legitimate, but then Walcott decided against getting up. He remembered the beating he took in the first fight, and realized he was a year older, and Rocky was a year better. He just didn't have the will for another fight like that, and took the paycheck.

[@watchmanonthewall14]

Bingo!

[@jbarnhart2653]

He got up in time, but used the ropes and didn't let go, still wobbly. If the referee had bought it...he didn't/

[@KineticR]

It was a ten count; no doubt. Wolcott was afraid of Rocky. He was not as healthy/strong after the the vicious knockout punch he took from the Rock in 1st fight. There was no way he was going to win this fight. He sat on his ass, when he could of gotten up by 8. He saved himself from taking a hell of a beating. He took his payday. Nothing aginst jersey Joe; good man.

[@KineticR]

jimi hendrix Hi jimi. Glad to have a discussion with u. U make some good points. I don't watch the Louis-Marciano fight. Never should have happened (Rocky did not want to fight his idol). Joe is an American patriot, deserving of utmost respect, yet our gov'mt wrongfully abused him for taxes. A great fighter u overlooked, who was past his prime when he fought Rocky, was Ezzard Charles. Look him up; a wonderful guy, great fighter.

[@rcp1936]

Saw the fight on TV and had they exact thought when it happened Wolcott knew he was going to get beaten so he took the first out he could

[@bobbyenglish7956]

WALCOTT TOOK A DIVE!

[@HarmonicGrunt]

He lost!

[@robertallen4434]

Same could be said about Ali. First time he face a really good young fighter was Frazier, and Joe beat his ass.

[@dacordova]

He fought the best his day had to offer......period.

[@blackjaguarlord]

Not according to the best of his day, or the boxing fans and writers of his day.

[@keeganbluegrass]

@@blackjaguarlord Source?

[@blackjaguarlord]

@@keeganbluegrass Where's your source?

[@DanielC__]

@@blackjaguarlord BULL CRAP. You just dumb or a wanker? Im betting both

[@Cableguy15]

@@blackjaguarlord The source that he faced the best of his time are in the rankings of that time. He never faced a fighter ranked lower than #2 while champion. So, what's your source? Curious to know who, in the "best of his day", that he didn't face... you can't be talking about Patterson. His manager specifically waited for Rocky to retire before having him go heavyweight. Can't be Liston, either. He wasn't even ranked when Marciano retired. So who is it?

[@dacordova]

You're right, he was a small heavyweight.....with a ton of power.

[@keithsymons5708]

Freakish power

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Which is perfect for inside boxing they think they are critiquing when they are pointing out the reason he was heavyweight champion of the world

[@craigcarroll1790]

macriano was a lot craftier and much more skilled fighter than folks gave him credit for. walcott, charles moore and the rest were very vey skillful boxers and fighters. when you listen to old time trainers analyze what he does its a revalation. he was undefeated for a reason. he did things in the ring that the average person just doesnt. a very crafty and skilled man

[@oldschoolsaint]

Very astute observation. You gotta know the game to see the little things Rocky did.

[@tycobb5452]

Craig Carroll agree 100%.

[@vincemedoro6313]

Craig Carroll you are correct any fighter black white brown if you 49.0 you did something very well during you reign

[@johnjordan6032]

No, this fight was FIXED and Rocky’s whole career was mostly a joke if you actually look at his measly record and see the absolute losing nobody’s he fought. He was completely brought up by the mob.

[@Lucille69caddy]

@@johnjordan6032And here is the jealous moolie. 49-0 is all you need to know, BRO

[@Raghuveer2798]

Walcott definitely stood up after 10.

[@redredbostonelecelec]

It made little difference Walcott would have gone down again. Marciano learned from his first fight not to repeat the same mistakes he made in the first fight.

[@007KOOB]

That was an extremely fast count.

[@justinrisen1929]

Fedor Emelienko has always reminded me of the Rock. He doesn't hold and undefeated record yes but his sheer tenacity to win against guys bigger stronger and in some instances clearly more technically skilled then he is just mirrors Rocky. Not to mention his complete lack of ego. Dude has always and will always be humble and caring to everyone especially the men he just destroyed in the cage. IMHO Rocky Marciano is the greatest Heavyweight fighter in Boxing history if not the greatest fighter period in boxing history and the same goes for Fedor in MMA.

[@dachderwelt]

Danke, tolles Video

[@imbluz]

Rocky fought the best fighters available at that time. It's not his fault, so shut up.

[@SmethiousReborn]

fuck u

[@imbluz]

@@SmethiousReborn Same to you.

[@larryjohnson2371]

Rocky was overrated!!!!Weak competition!

[@carlrball]

100% right on,in fact Ali probably would have lost to Ali(he even sort of admits it).

[@larryjohnson2371]

@@carlrball No way he would beat Ali in his prime! Only thing he had The GOAT was kp power but Ali could take a punch! He was taller, quicker and competition he went against way better then Rocky comp! Jersey Joe, Charles & Archie Moore a legend as a light heavy! Very good fighters , Archie great as a light heavyweight, but they ain't Ali! Do u think short Marciano would have beaten Sonny Liston? I don't!

[@kevinkosar6232]

The Greatest Ever in My opinion

[@bunkman64]

Your opinion is correct.

[@Jjboxing]

Imagine if Joshua went against Marciano, he’d get abused wouldn’t even be fun to watch

[@edmundoriosmiranda1883]

Naaa was a white man fake. Was good in a very weak oponnent era

[@skyro5314]

@@edmundoriosmiranda1883 oh yeh joe louis and archie moore were very weak, fucking casual

[@larryjohnson2371]

@@skyro5314 Rocky didn't go against no one! Joe Louis was like 38,washed up,Charles & Walcoy,light heavyweights! Marciano didn't want to meet Liston or Cleveland Cat Williams,he did right by retiring!

[@hugh1297]

He pulled a Sonny Liston. He didn't want to fight, and found a way out.

[@Magneticlaw]

And Jersey Joe got a nice payday regardless of the outcome - $250,000 cool ones - quite a bit of money in the 50's. 🥊

[@alexandrepagliano5929]

There are very good videos in slow motion showing Liston was hit hard by Ali.

[@chrisrembert2547]

Walcott was a solid 190 who had excellent footwork, skills, with pinpoint power. Tunney got hurt and defeated by mw Greb, and nearly lost to past prime Dempsey. Marciano also fought top black comp.

[@keeganbluegrass]

Tunney would have been KO'd by 6 by a prime snarling Dempsey

[@Pedro_Le_Chef]

​@@keeganbluegrassTunney kayoed in 6? Doubt it but not impossible.

[@Pedro_Le_Chef]

Walcott was also 39 years old.

[@kentishtowncowboy]

Short Right Hand was the KO Punch. Joe landed heavily and was still sitting at the count of 8 so he was always going to be counted out in the act of rising. Good while it lasted. Thanks for posting.

[@jbarnhart2653]

You have to let go of the ropes...he didn't.

[@David50s]

He did not beat the count. When the referee said 9, Walcott hadn't even started to get up. He appeared to jump up in that split second however his left glove was still down as the referee reached 10. Walcott screwed up another count. He was the referee in the second Liston Ali fight. He lost track of the count and Ali and Liston were fighting again until a timekeeper informed Walcott that 10 seconds had gone by and Listpn was out.

[@louisjosef7396]

watch the count in slow motion , Walcott goes down, and the ref immediately picks up the count at 2 , it should have been 1. Walcott was up at 9 but the refs count was at 10.

[@watchmanonthewall14]

@@louisjosef7396 Doesn't matter whether the ref started his count at "two". Walcott was not severely hurt and could clearly hear the ref throughout the count. When the ref gets to "nine", Walcott was still down. He waited too long, popping up at the ten count. It is possible that he intentionally did this, so as to protest and throw a hissy fit about the count but in reality not wanted to continue taking what would have been another beating.

[@georgevincent1834]

@@watchmanonthewall14 100% agreed.

[@humanbeing2420]

@@louisjosef7396 I think he started the count at one but skipped "three". I read his lips and I see "one"..."two"..."four".....

[@matthewsisk]

Wow 184 is considered a heavyweight?! That's super small for a professional HW fighter!

[@carlrball]

Well in Marciano's case he would have beaten anybody of any era anyway.

[@mskidi]

@Tucker Johnson It was Marciano's choice to not put on any weight cause he'd compromise that otherwordly stamina of his going into the late rounds. He could have been easily fighting at 200+ and I presume that for the first 6-7 rounds, a heavier Marciano would land considerably heavier punches, which would be a problem for any fighter regardless of weight. Who knocks you down or not is not a good predictor for other fights. Ali was never once dropped by Liston, Foreman, Shavers, Cleveland Williams, Ron Lyle but Henry Cooper rocked his soul. Likewise Marciano was knocked down, but not really hurt, by slick punchers and not the bigger dudes he fought. Tyson, would knock the monsters out of this world but he couldnt even hurt Hollyfield who was small for heavyweight himself. Hollyfield in turn was never once hurt by Lennox Lewis but was beaten by the light heavy Moorer. And Hollyfield, like all the 80s, 90s guys, was roided up to the gills. Can you imagine Marciano on as much steroids as these guys? Furthermore, the younger guys like Joshua fight 10 or 12 rounders instead of 15, which changes the game totally.

[@watchmanonthewall14]

@@mskidi All good points.

[@keeganbluegrass]

@@mskidi Take the modern guys and bring then to the 45 rounders of the turn of the century....

[@Redo2348]

He could get up, but he didn’t want another punch from Rocky

[@harryheath9928]

After fighting so hard the first fight that he was winning in a brutal affair then getting totally creamed out cold I might even had done the same thing he knew Rock was going to keep coming plus he was too cautious and remembered that Susie Q and figured I'm going to get paid stay down and keep my health!

[@watchmanonthewall14]

@@harryheath9928 Interesting that you used the word "creamed", since Joe Walcott's birth name was Arnold Cream. No kidding.

[@davidradovsky7405]

He actually admitted that. He said he already tried everything in the first fight.

[@rusticterry]

Walcott was lucky it ended when it did and he knew it - he was battered at the end and if he would have gotten up and fought more, he would have been knocked out cold. Rocky for his size and arm length has to go down pound for pound as one of the greatest fighters ever, if not the greatest.

[@harryheathheath5050]

Yeah

[@markjoshuapablo7308]

Rocky the GOAT???? I don’t even think Ali was the goat and there’s no way in marciano would’ve beat him.

[@mskidi]

@@markjoshuapablo7308 Post first retirement Ali, wouldnt stand a chance against Marciano who was a much smarter, dirtier, both hands and from all angles punisher than Joe Frazier. Early to mid 60s Ali, would have the advantage because he could match Marciano's stamina and workrate and was the bigger man but it would go the distance.

[@paulsanpala3557]

@@markjoshuapablo7308 Ali was a good champion but a little bit over rated. He did lose five times and two or three of those losses were to guys who would never have won a heavy weight title.

[@LeviJohansen]

@CyderDrinkerDorset yeah, he didn't protest until after some time, right then and there he was kinda pleased that he found a way out there allready in the first round. The first fight wasn't onesided though, had Walcott stayed on his feet after 12 and lost 13, 14, 15, he would still have gotten the decision. It was more or less onesided in his favour....

[@lightninglarryluciano5351]

This fight wuzn't fixed. Jersey Joe felt that right and said fukk that, he was just sick of gettin his ass whooped by The Rock

[@tycobb5452]

Lightning Larry Luciano indeed,sir.

[@jc8153]

it looked to me like one of those ringing knockouts you see in movies where the fighter can't comprehend jackshit, like that one fight between Ricky Hatton and Manny Pacquiao where Hatton got KO'd and just dazed. No discredit to either boxer's skills though, considering Jersey Joe was already of age (late thirties) at that time to retire and Marciano was literally the best undefeated aggressive heavyweight edit: Correction: 40's

[@bryanbaker5942]

And he was in his 40s by then

[@anthonytigney7763]

Fast count BS... Always trying to take away from a black man's Glory..... If Rocky Marciano was going to beat JJW, and I'm sure that it would have been only a matter of time in this fight before he would have out pointed him or knocked him out again, why come with this okie doke fast count bs? That's one reason why Walcott was pissed off because he knew it was a fast count. He would have gotten up at 8 or 9 if it had been a normal count. If he's going to get beat, let him get legitimately beat.

[@karlinguk]

1....2....3....4....5....6....7....8....then 9, 10 What type of supersonic counting was that ref? Ref was even super keen aswell as fast to count him out. Con

[@vinmed4707]

Ref could of counter to 20 walcott wanted his PAYCHECK more so slow or fast count dont matter good for Walcott take the money and live good

[@pauldavis22]

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8,....10!!!

[@derp9193]

My man, Rocky would have KO'd him anyway after the count.

[@RIPRICKJAMES]

There after Tunney would beat Greb like 5 times by decision, and each time it was more lopsided, till Greb said "Why don't you go fight Dempsey". Tunney beat Dempsey for the Heavyweight title, defeated Dempsey in a rematch, the made almost a million dollars defening against Tom Heeney, then married a young woman who was worth Millions, so he retired, no shame in that, he had enough of boxing.

[@LeviJohansen]

@CyderDrinkerDorset and now it is here, I will upload the first part sometime to night :D

[@andrewjohn7768]

Marciano was a legend but that count was fasttt

[@paulsanpala3557]

Agreed, but Marciano would likely win the match anyway.

[@davem7735]

If the timer on this video is calibrated that was a 10 count

[@chrisrembert2547]

Guys like Louis, Greb, Dempsey, Walker, etc...struggled aganist top-comp who were smaller but took out several top-comp who were much bigger. People assume that bigger fighters have the advantage but forget their disadvantages. Smaller guys on average have the advantage in stamina, speed, agility, etc....plus the larger guys have extra room to hit on their bodies.

[@Pedro_Le_Chef]

The difference is that the smaller competition Louis fought were generally in their prime, not 40 year olds. The oldest fighters Louis ever fought were 36 (Uzcudun and Savold) and neither went past 6 rounds against Louis.

[@JerZkyd]

people are saying that rocky didnt hit him that hard, idk, joe hit that mat hard as hell!

[@risboturbide9396]

The same night the Charlie Parker's quintet played at Toronto's Massey Hall...

[@kaspafischer]

Its safe to say Bird gave a better performance in his gig than Jersey Joe in this fight... 😂

[@risboturbide9396]

@@kaspafischer well said! Bird lives 🍻🍻

[@1982asd]

Jersey Joe Walcott vs Rocky Marciano first match was one of the best I've seen in my life Walcott was a tough guy and Rocky Marciano had to deal with him a lot before knocking him out Their second match, on the other hand, was much shorter, Marciano knocked out Walcott in a few minutes

[@mikewhitney8615]

Walcott appeared to just beat the count. Not that it matters. He was in for a worse thrashing than the first fight. I've seen that KO punch from a better angle. It was a clean hard punch and a true knockdown. No mystery. Marciano's right was crushing and that alone explains the result. That also explains why Joe was slow coming up. Yet he COULD have gone on, because Rocky's punch here was not equal to the famous 13th round punch.. Maybe Joe didn't want another Suzie Q. And who could blame him? How many of us would have undergone the lifetime of fighting Joe had? He was a good fighter and a fine and courageous man. The fact that he didn't get up quick enough just tells us he was also an intelligent man.

[@peter99ba]

the fight wouldnt have last much longer after this. the rock had too much power and was too determined. JJ got off easy.

[@imbluz]

Uh, excuse yourself. Why does age always have to be a factor in proving someone's worth. Does anyone here even credit Marciano for fighting guys bigger than him.

[@Magneticlaw]

He also didn't start fighting professionally until he was 25 - for some perspective, Ali was 12 when he started and Holyfield was 8 - most guys start in their teens.

[@Pedro_Le_Chef]

He was fighting light heavies. The only truly big opponent he fought was a far out of prime washed Louis who was overweight for the fight.

[@davidfranciscodasilva9559]

Marciano!The bull!The best!

[@fullerenepal]

There were no younger guys to take the place of the guys Marciano beat. Even Louis was on a 7 fight win streak--all within a year of fighting Marciano--and only a few years removed from being champion. He wasn't at his best, but there were no young guns Marciano ducked to fight Louis, Moore, Charles, Lastarza and Walcott instead. And it should be noted that he was the first HW champion to score most of his big wins over black fighters...even Johnson and Louis didn't do that

[@Pedro_Le_Chef]

Louis was on an 8 fight win streak against very weak opposition that he failed to knockout. Only two out of the eight were ranked and it was painfully obvious Louis's reflexes, speed and power were gone. "Only a few years removed from being a champion". Louis won the championship a *full 15 years before the Rocky fight* That's the way you need to contextualize this. To put it into perspective, Rocky's entire career lasted 7 years. To say that Louis was past it would be a massive understatement. And I struggle to understand why more victories over black fighters matters on a boxers resume.

[@angrygrizzly7125]

Quick Victory For The Rock.😀🇮🇹#☝️

[@chinagohome5981]

Quick count for the victory

[@chrisrembert9722]

@TheWg99 Walcott fell between 4:03-4:04 and didn't get back up until 4:13-4:15. The ref came to count a few seconds after Walcott fell.

[@aiyahuntacheimumbi236]

The Referee pounced on the count as soon as Rocky started towards a neutral corner. He started the count at 4:05 and finished at 4:13. So unless this footage is slightly sped up, it was indeed a 7 second count. Perhaps it WAS the memory of the first KO that made him hesitate, but sometimes a big punch to the head can make your blood pressure drop, and your hearing and sight goes muffled and fuzzy for a moment along with spaghetti legs. Walcott was probably counting to himself because he couldn't hear, and waiting for the black and static to clear and color to return to his eyes. That or perhaps he was looking to his corner for the green light to get up as Foreman did years later in Zaire.

[@stoogefollower7993]

Rocky Rules!

[@LeviJohansen]

@TommyGun7111 Thanks! :D

[@theID2]

he was stupid to wait until the last second to get up. he was obviously ok.

[@ethanchen2891]

He was.... not okay, he got hit by some of the hardest punches from a non tired rocky

[@theID2]

@@ethanchen2891 you are .... clueless.

[@yes-qw6om]

@@theID2 lets see you get hit by someone who punches over 1000 lbs and try to get up

[@theID2]

@@yes-qw6om "who punches over 1000 lbs"? well, i punched a car once. that was at least 3000 lbs! do you know your sentence doesn't make any sense at all? the intent of your comment is stupid even if you'd said it correctly. am i a boxer? no. you may as well ask why i don't paint as well as rembrandt. or hit a homerun off a major league pitcher. what does 'my' being able to take a punch have to do with walcott? just admit you're not very bright, don't know the first thing about boxing, and stop trying to be a keyboard warrior.

[@H.K.5]

This was clearly not the same Jersey Joe who fought Marciano in the first fight.

[@watchmanonthewall14]

You could see it in his body language before the bell for round one.

[@darrenfry4970]

He beat all the odds he was small he wasn't heavy and reach was short but he had his Suzy Q he gave the underdog a reason to continue in the gym

[@Pedro_Le_Chef]

Being small isn't such a disadvantage when you're fighting light heavyweights.

[@markr.katzman3743]

If I were a fighter I wouldn't want to have faced Marciano...I can't tell what's more lethal, his right or his left! And it looks like the opponents are being hit by concrete brick!

[@SanDmaNTheFreakTrucker]

Walcott didn’t want to be there. After the first fight he was shook and probably took the second for money alone. He could have gotten up but went out like a coward. Sad. He was a great boxer in his day.

[@redredbostonelecelec]

the funny thing about the referees count, the ref did not have his eye on walcott when the count reached 10, he didn't know if he was up or down

[@paulsanpala3557]

Yeah I noticed that as well.....thought it a bit odd, but Marciano would have won any way. Perhaps the last fight they had took too much out of Walcott. Also, it's my understanding that the referee starts counting when a fighter is down, but there is another counter at ring side which is the official counter. Perhaps the referee was watching him.

[@redredbostonelecelec]

your right the ring referee watch's the official counter but the inside referee has to know when to stop counting @@paulsanpala3557

[@blackholesupersloth3276]

Dynamite uppercut. Walcott didn't get up because he couldn't work out where he was.

[@LeviJohansen]

@CyderDrinkerDorset yup, still on it's way!

[@Joethecatholic]

If you saw their first fight you’ll understand why Joe stayed down.

[@gabrielc3759]

In the first fight he stayed down because he was dead XD

[@bugs4680]

Rock was a gentlemen and humanitarian no racism

[@RIPRICKJAMES]

Not according to Sandy Saddler & Archie Moore who both trained and worked with Foreman, Saddler said Marciano knocks out Foreman of the seventies, and Moore had said the only man that could beat Foreman in a slugfest would be Marciano, not that he was the only man to beat Foreman but the only man to beat him in a toe to toe war.

[@watchmanonthewall14]

Interesting.

[@RIPRICKJAMES]

Tunney was a superb boxer, but his best weigh was at 175ibs, Greb an all time P4P Great beat him only once, beating Tunney so bad in their first fight that the ref had to stop the fight several times to wipe the gore from Grebs gloves, after taking a brutal savage beating from Greb, Tunney put up like 10,000 of his own to secure a rematch with Greb immediately after the ass wupping Greb administired on Tunney, that's a helluva man. continued

[@LeviJohansen]

@THOMASBANTON I didn't know that.... what a weird profession.

[@juampy725663]

He clearly didn't want to continue.btw guys, what does it mean to "beat the count"? it's a seiuos question i'm a passionnate english learner and a boxing fan. thanks for the answer. greetings.

[@adnanhalim99]

when a boxer gets knocked down the refree gives them a 10 count if you cant get up u didnt beat the count hope that helped :)

[@juampy725663]

+Adnan Halim yes, it helped. many thanks.

[@adnanhalim99]

+Pablo C. glad it did have a great day

[@truebeliever786]

Jersey Joe Walcott should've gotten up from that. He could have definitely gotten up. He could've gone several more rounds with Marciano.

[@Grizzlied555]

Walcott stood up after ten.

[@therubberbandman3008]

Lol he heard him counting and acted like he didnt.

[@elec174]

I think Joe crapped out of the fight, probably because the next knockdown might have been for a few hours.

[@LeviJohansen]

@CyderDrinkerDorset yup, thats what I said :D

[@villarius]

Also, I guess it was said that the 8 second rule was in effect - a boxer must be up at 8, and then he has 2 more seconds to get his senses back!

[@tommyrichman7220]

Sonny wasn't in top contention to fight when he retired, Hell Patterson wasn't ready either he just hopped in at the right time.

[@alivstyson1864]

Marciano would have destroyed Patterson. Liston vs Marciano could have honestly gone either way. Sonny was a brute with a long reach and good power but his chin was average which is not a good thing for a guy facing Marciano. Fights are about match ups. Marciano does not match up well vs Foreman, Ali is probably to fast for him Marciano would have Koed Louis even when Louis was young. IF we are talking prime vs prime this would be my top 6 or 7 list. Ali Marciano Louis Foreman Tyson Holmes Dempsey Liston

[@keeganbluegrass]

Patterson admitted that Cuz decided they would duck Marciano and wait until he retired (issues of Marciano's payment issues with his manager were public). Patterson gets KO'd by a prime Marciano, and even the older one would have done the deed, though taking considerably longer

[@RIPRICKJAMES]

Right, styles do make fights and I truly understand that concept, but the fighters that gave Rocky trouble were slick master boxers such as Walcott, Charles and Moore(look at Moore's body shape against Rock's as compared to his body vs Floyd, it's a huge difference) with George's big wide open swings maybe Marciano could get underneath them, it's easier to punch up with power then downwith power. And if Foreman wasn't allowed to illegally push fighters back with both arms.. continued

[@Pedro_Le_Chef]

Mate if 40 year old Walcott and Moore can floor Rocky, what do you think a prime Foreman, Louis or Dempsey are going to do to him?

[@timgutierrez2211]

You have to wonder if Jersey Joe didn;t have the memory of the punches in their first fight in the back of his mind, especially the final hit to his body rhar took him out. Marciano never had a lick of hesitance against anyone. He was a freight train.

[@LeviJohansen]

@DrTruth007 watch the counting-thingy as his back hits the canvas it shows 4:05, and the referee reaches 10 and ends it at 4:15. the count was not fast!!! Walcott could have got up at any time, but he didn't want to, he doesn't even look angry about the situation.

[@TheRoyalBavarian]

Joe didn't get up because he was so dazed he didn't know what the count was. He was out.

[@thetimetraveler7509]

Marciano finished of Joe really quick here.

[@teastrainer3604]

These guys would be cruiserweights today. And they'd beat everybody.

[@vgr112261]

Quick count?

[@r.crompton2286]

1cmccaff Ten solid seconds to be sure but faster than most counts which according to Wikipedia actually last between 11 and 12 seconds. There are several notable knockdowns where the count actually lasted beyond 14 seconds. Thus Sekora's count could be viewed as quick though it certainly was not disputable.

[@r.crompton2286]

Stout Krout You're right -- a count of ten -- the exact time will vary according to who the referee is and his co-ordination with the timekeeper.

[@TheGodYouWishYouKnew]

Scott Reed Walcott wanted no part of that fight.

[@alejandrolinares2007]

Of course QUICK COUNT. And the referee RUNS to declare winner. Shame on this referee... to say the least.

[@tommywulfric9768]

1cmccaff I agree...much like Foreman rising too late against Ali.

[@pcn3407]

Another interesting take was this fight was filmed in 3d.

[@Elvis-guy1973]

That looked suspicious to me. I think Walcott thought I'll fight him again, but not for no 13 rounder!

[@ronbonora7872]

Another nice Jersey Joe Walcott nap by the Rock!

[@trevorbyron9448]

Why does he take so long to get up when he knows the ref is counting him out, then complain after

[@lukebast4816]

That was a sit-down in my opinion

[@lukebast4816]

Jump up so fast at 9.5

[@EXPOSEDBYGABRIELPEREZ]

exactly the punches landed on walcott the left hook just barely touch his forehead and the right uppercut just touch his cheekbone. walcott really just wanted the $250.000.00 dollars fast and get out as quickly as possible.

[@thatonesqueaker3986]

Heavyweight boxer who never lost or tied?

[@kaspafischer]

Jersey Joe Walcott's WTF moment as a fighter... LOL... Hell of a disappointment after that epic first fight with Rocky

[@cojaysea]

Walcott doesn’t look hurt it seems like he can continue but I think Rock would have got to him anyway .

[@Jlagonia07]

That was a ridiculously fast count- ref determined to end the fight!! In all fairness, though, Walcott did not seem to want to continue

[@LazlosPlane]

+Jena Lagonia Yes, it looked like a VERY fast count, but he was looking at the judge the whole time, and Wolcott certainly heard the count and could have gotten up sooner. He knew what he was doing.

[@MrMarco855]

+LazlosPlane .....It was a fixed fight I believe. Otherwise, Walcott wasn't hurt and could have gotten up at any time. Walcott got up a split second too late to make it look good. The fast count by the referee indicates he was a player also...........

[@LazlosPlane]

What's your evidence??? How do you know Wolcott wasn't hurt? That's quite a statement to make with such certainty. And the ref was a player too? And this you know by the "Fast count"??? Ridiculous.

[@MrMarco855]

LazlosPlane It's a fact that many fights were fixed over the history of boxing. Everyone agrees with that, yet when someone thinks a particular fight was fixed, everyone says he's crazy. Do you agree that there have been fixed fights in boxing history? If so, which fights? You don't know, but you doubt someone that suggests a given fight may have been fixed. If you read my statement, I said I believe the fight was fixed. That's not the same as saying I know for sure it was fixed. Obviously I have no evidence,.....how could I have evidence 65 years after the fact? I can however, make an educated judgement based on what I see. I've seen hundreds of fights, and I can only recall 2 fights that ended with fast counts. This fight and another fight( that was definitely a fixed fight). That's what leads me to believe this fight may have been fixed. Why would a referee intentionally count too fast? It makes no sense, unless there was a crooked game being played. That's only one indication, not enough on it's own to think it was fixed. The fact that the fight ended in the 1st round is also an indicator. It's not impossible for any fight to end in one round, but these 2 guys just fought 13 rounds, taking each other's hard shots until marciano landed a hard right hand. In this fight, the first hard shot and Walcott crumbles? Then he looks okay, wide awake looking at the ref, he hears the count clearly but gets up a half second too late? Still not enough? The reaction by walcott after it was over was another indication. He didn't plead with the referee, neither did his trainer. Walcott walked away stomping his foot and hitting the ropes like a spoiled child, a very bad acting job. A pissed off fighter would react much differently, I've seen that numerous times. Add it all up and you have a fixed fight. I didn't say before and I'm not saying now that I have proof or that I'm 100% certain, and most people know that's the case. I'm offering a strong opinion and gave several reasons for thinking that. I could be wrong, I've been wrong before.

[@LazlosPlane]

Nice third grade lecture. And still waiting for evidence.

[@JC-xh9mp]

That one was fixed. Not the knockdown , but definitely Walcott staying down and acting shocked after . Wonder how much the mob made on that one?

[@user-mo4pn2uy2z]

He got up at 9.5 of the count but Walcott being a very experienced fighter should know that is not good enough for a half a second can be viewed either way. Always get up at 8 if you can.

[@aiyahuntacheimumbi236]

The Referee pounced on the count as soon as Rocky started towards a neutral corner. He started the count at 4:05 and finished at 4:13 . So unless this footage is slightly sped up, it was indeed a 7 second count. A big punch to the head can make your blood pressure drop, and your hearing and sight goes muffled and fuzzy for a moment along with spaghetti legs. Walcott was probably counting to himself because he couldn't hear, and waiting for the black and static to clear and color to return to his eyes.

[@aiyahuntacheimumbi236]

@studentofsweetscience That's fine and if that was his reason for the fast count it still doesn't contradict what I am saying. I never said that the Referee was at fault, but he does fit a 10 count into 7 seconds, and Walcott likely being unable to see or hear the Ref to verify the count was my point. Are you trying to argue that?

[@aiyahuntacheimumbi236]

@studentofsweetscience Alright, so then the footage is either sped up slightly as I said in my original comment that it might be, the Ref was rushing to catch up to the time keeper as I mentioned in my response, or the time keeper was fast and the ref was trying to catch up which has and still does happen at times. I don't think that we are really disagreeing here.

[@tracyhahn8828]

Walcott hit the deck at 2:04 and was counted out at 2:14. Typically, the ref waits a second before counting, and it seems like that ref started on the count of 2. Fast count, but Walcott wasn't going to last too much longer if he was ruled up.

[@edbowie2041]

Walcott could have gotten up but he was going to get beat. The Rock slipped his jab and countered. For the Rock to attempt to use that much boxing skill he meant fucking business

[@NelsonMontana1234]

Walcott was not out. But he shouldn't have taken a 9 count.

[@007KOOB]

Wouldn't it be funny if Big George ran out of steam, and Little Rocky was bulling him around the ring. Everyone thinks of young George as being prime George. I actually think old George might have been better. No one could hurt him, and he never got tired.

[@claychase2585]

I believe the results of this fight are a little deceptive. Despite the result and jersey Joe’s advanced age, he was still a well condition have experienced and extremely effective fighter.

[@Cableguy15]

Joe wasn't the same after that first fight. It's no coincidence that he retired after this one. Up to that first bout with Rocky, though, he was probably at his best. He looked so smooth in the ring and was sneaky-good. He was excellent at getting opponents to open up. Might seem strange to people on the surface, but Walcott got better with age due to his living situation when he was younger.

[@Pedro_Le_Chef]

​@@Cableguy15Walcott was out of prime when he even won the championship. He was still good enough to beat a fading Charles who was also slipping past his own best.

[@bebeto6861]

its clear win and obvious refusal to continue

[@josephbgood1]

I used my stop watch a couple of times and I found that the actual time was between 9.50 and 9.49 seconds. Now, I am a Marciano fan but facts are facts. Why can't a loud gong or loud automated voice sound out the seconds and that is calibrated when a boxer goes down. Take it away from incompetent or shady people. What an improvement that would be.

[@peace-yv4qd]

Walcott was beaten before he stepped into the ring. You could tell he had no swagger or confidence. He took his paycheck and went home. He knew that Marciano was the better fighter.

[@MrMarco855]

Did Walcott take a dive? He didn't show any anger towards the ref for counting him out, he just stomped around the ring mad at nobody apparently. The uppercut by Marciano was hard to see so it's hard to tell if it hit Joe hard,....................... or if it hit him at all.............Walcotts trainer didn't look very upset either, he was jawing with someone in the crowd. You would expect Walcott and his corner people to be arguing with the ref. By the way, the referee was definitely counting too fast. Did he do that to assist Walcott in making sure he didn't get up in time? Watch the referee counting; he counted to 10 in about 7 or 8 seconds in real time I believe.

[@Three60Crusader]

Lol he got hit and said fk this I'm out.

[@kingkenny2797]

That fight looked a complete and utter fix.

[@kingkenny2797]

Looking at Jersey Joe Wallcots fake and over eggagerated antics after the count makes it even more convincing he took a payday imo

[@kingkenny2797]

@Donaldo Ron god forbid you could have an opinion without a keyboard warrior insulting you 🤣🤣

[@dacordova]

Walcott dreaded Marcianos power in this fight....his own trainer said that.

[@harryheathheath5050]

You fight a cat fight yo soul and ass off like a demon, he takes your best shots just to knock ya cold. Ya got to think about that the second time around I mean take the most money brotha and stay healthy most cats wouldn't want to go though hell the second time around either