1952-9-23 Jersey Joe Walcott vs Rocky Marciano I (FOTY)

1952-9-23 Municipal Stadium, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Jersey Joe Walcott (51-16-2) vs Rocky Marciano (42-0-0)
World Heavyweight Championship
Referee: Charlie Daggert
Judges: Pete Tomasco, Zach Clayton
Link in BoxRec: boxrec.com/media/index.php?tit...
The Ring Magazine Fight of the Year 1952

[@jamesiler7779]

This fight was the first time I ever saw television! I was in the first grade, and a friend of my Dad had a television set...the only one in town! Thanks for reviving my memories!

[@paysonfox88]

Joe Walcott was an awesome fighter.. He was just too damn old in this fight. Had he been more like 25, he'd have won easily. To be fair, Joe was smart enough to know Rocky wasn't hurt after that 1st round Knock down and took a longer approach to the bout. He was going for a points decision, and he was ahead on all 3 scorecards into the 13th round. I'd say if Rocky hadn't fooled him so expertly in that final exchange, had they not been throwing at the same time, Walcott would've retained the belt. Rocky said "that night I thought Joe was the greatest boxer in the world!" He said he learned a lot from it.

[@empirical43]

Joe Walcott was a great fighter. He hit like a mule kick and could take a hard punches and combinations with barely any effect, then keep on fighting like nothing hit him at all. In boxing history, he is under rated, and if he were fighting today, would beat most, and perhaps all Heavy weight opponents. ROCKY MARCIANO, well, one of a kind. Incredible endurance, as fresh in the last round, as in the first. Exceedingly aggressive, tenacious and very strong He could take the hardest punches thrown at him and keep fighting as if he didn't get hit at all. Marciano was one of the hardest punchers in history. If we are talking pound for pound, I would say he is the hardest puncher. I'm almost certain, if fighting today, or any time in history he would beat any Heavy weight, why you may ask... Style. As George Foreman has said: "Marciano was right at your chest, the minute the bell rang." He gave fighters with longer arms no room to box and set him up. In the words of Muhammad Ali: “Marciano hit harder than Joe Frazer." and continued by saying: " No other fighter in history could take a beating like Marciano,' with his nose split in two and partially hanging off, and continue fighting, knocking out his opponent. You have to be born that way, it can’t be taught or learned in the gym.”’

[@robertoday7526]

empirical43 a few words to that pile of garbage Ted lowery ,Colley Wallace, and the host of young youthful fighters he ducked and avoid who wouldn't stand for any bollocks and who wouldn't take any shit from. Anyone .

[@empirical43]

Roberto Day-Are you talking about Walcott or Marciano?

[@robertoday7526]

empirical43 grandad and road sweeper beater sloppy mafiano of course

[@timrobwall]

empirical43 How would Ali know how hard Marciano hit? Your quote doesn’t ring true. Where did you get it?

[@sskspartan]

From the computer fight they did.That was a 45 year old and very out of shape, fat from overeating, Marciano, mind you

[@itsgleneaton4883]

One of the things I love about Rocky is after every round no matter what he just goes back to his corner and never gets upset with any fighter.

[@bobbyd5276]

37yr old Joe Louis had already been fighting *"17yrs"* with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing the 184 lb cruiser. Joe’s speed and punching power had all but evaporated, evidenced by him scoring only 2 KO's in his last 12 fights. Louis was a sitting duck. By contrast, Marciano was just entering his prime. 40yr old cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott had already been fighting *"22yrs"* with 68 fights before facing the 184 lb cruiser. Walcott had an abysmal 44% KO's. He definitely was not prime. Journeyman Joe lost throughout his entire career, beginning, middle, end. Walcott was already fighting pro when little Rocky was only 7yrs old! *Walcott lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.* Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles had already been fighting *"15yrs"* with 95 fights before facing little Rocky. Charles had the lowest ever 42% KO's. His best boxing years were definitely behind him as he was factually showing traces of Lou Gehrig's disease in 1951. *Charles lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times.* 42yr old light heavyweight Archie Moore had already been fighting *"20yrs"* with 178 fights before facing the little 189 lb cruiser. Exactly 95% of Moore's 141 TKO's came against welterweights, middleweights, light heavyweights and small cruisers. *Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times.* Little 184 lb cruiser Rocky Marciano only fought *"8yrs"* before he abruptly quit during his prime at only 31yrs of age. Rocky quit bcz he was *"embarrassed of losing,"* his younger brother, Peter, said. I have the source. *If you eliminate his secretive debut fight under the alias Rocky Mackjeanne, he actually fought "7yrs" bcz there was a 15 month gap between his 1st and 2nd fights. Read Mike Stanton to understand Rocky Mackjeanne vs. Les Epperson in Holyoke. Rocky Mackjeanne was shortened to Rocky Mack just before the fight.*

[@bobbyd5276]

Ezzard Charles said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, and his trainers (Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera, Bill Gore) said they noticed signs of Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS) in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?

[@paysonfox88]

In the 11th and 12th rounds , Rocky and his brother even admitted that Walcott beat him up so badly that they were unsure if Rocky could continue the fight after each of those rounds. 12th round especially into the mid point of 13th, Joe looked like he was about to finish it. Had Walcott been 25 to 30 yrs old instead of 40, he definitely would have finished it.

[@olivermccall7331]

70 years later and this is still impressive.

[@NuisanceMan]

Indeed. What an abrupt ending!

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

Southpaw Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over a comfortable 222 lb Usyk who is 6' 3" with 78" reach. Holyfield was 6' 2.5" 218 lbs with 78" reach. Michael Spinks was 6' 2.5" 208 lbs with 76" reach. Prime Clay/Ali was 6' 2.5" (passport) 212 lbs with 78" reach. And of course we mustn't forget 5'10" 186 lb Marciano with his famous shortest-ever 67" flyweight reach. Shocking isn't it. Those other small guys weren't so small after all. They already had the natural height and reach so they were able to assimilate into the Heavyweight division with few problems. On the other hand 186 lb Marciano had some serious dwarfism problems going on with his reach. Simply put Marciano's bone structure was too short to assimilate effectively. Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike. 1980's 20yr old phenom Mike easily KO's Rocky 10 outta 10 times!

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

If little Marciano had just ONE draw (48-0-1) everyone would have abandoned his ship long ago. But his '0' is the ONLY thing that keeps him afloat. Marciano's top 10 ranking is determined by computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man made program was coded to exclude WEIGHT from the equation. That's why 165 lb 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. How's it possible 185 lb Marciano ranks higher than Fury Ibeabuchi Holmes Lewis Bowe Vitali Wladimir Foreman etcetera? Now we know why. Even though Heavyweight champions ranged from 165 to 275 lbs, ranking bodies still exclude WEIGHT from their metric, yet they acknowledge (17) different WEIGHT classes, imagine that. Top 10 rankings should be looked upon with a grain of salt!!! Unfortunately Rocky fanboys cling to his ranking as if it were life and death.

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

During the deepest era in light heavyweight history Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated HOF ATG GOAT Michael Spinks beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad and Dwight Muhammad Qawi and knocked out Yaqui Lopes and Marvin Johnson, which was not easy to do in their primes. And he beat the real heavyweight champion to win the title, who was also undefeated. Michael Spinks is the most accomplished light heavyweight in history. Light heavyweight Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times. Light heavyweight Moore Lost (23) times and was KOd (7) times. Would Marciano still be considered an ATG if he had 29 wins 20 losses? Of course not. Then why is Charles/Moore ranked higher than Spinks? Because they fought little Marciano which automatically makes them immortal even though they Lost "FORTY-EIGHT" times and were "KTFO-FOURTEEN" times. It's no wonder HOF Greats Jimmy Cannon and Bert Sugar said, "Marciano's era was horseshit."

[@donsimons9810]

@@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD You're a crazy brown person, aren't you?

[@kevlarunderwear22]

this was the greatest effort of walcott's career, he fought like a man possessed, not wanting to give up the belt. and ironically he engaged in a slugfest with Marciano despite the fact that he was a slick boxer. one of the best fights ive ever seen. these guys were throwing haymakers from the opening bell. Marciano was the greatest late round fighter that ever lived.

[@aspenrebel]

That Right of his!!!

[@SPIDERM0OSE]

Gotta give Marcianos pressure, aggression n his power punching credit for Jersey Joe having a slugfest, it was that or get KOd defending/Waltzing

[@JeffPenaify]

The most overlooked and underrated aspect of Marcianos game was that he was really difficult to keep at the end of your punches and land the jab on. His overall defense wasn’t anything special but his jab defense in particular was really good, he rarely got hit with jabs as a contender to champion

[@guitarzan8671]

yeah but jersey joe got knocked out in the rematch in the 1st round because he remembered the 13th round shot that crippled him and he could have gotten up but didn't want to take another shot from old rocky

[@leewilliams2763]

Jersey Joe Walcott was 38 in this fight and Rocky 29! That is quite a big age gap. That's why Rocky is not rated as the greatest, he did fight a lot of older fighters, Joe Loius and Archie Moore, etc! Rocky also had big gaps between fighting to keep himself strong! Yes he had huge punching power, but i don't he could have handled Joe Frazier let alone ALI! Ezzard Charles spit his nose in their first fight, ALI would have cut his face to ribbons and the fight would have been stopped! ALI beat Liston, Frazier, Norton and Foreman! Rocky never fought men of that caliber, except Ezzard!

[@objectiveobjective1948]

Imagine the pain the next day after being involved in this onslaught, what a fight, your average man is down and out after one of them body slugs. Brilliant classic fight, cheers for the upload, it should remain on KZbin forever. 👍

[@davidradovsky7405]

The rematch Walcott decided not to get up for more of that. They asked him about it and he said look I tried everything I had in the first fight.

[@p.turtle2085]

What a fascinating fight. Walcott looks like the best of our modern fighters... size, power, physique and skills. Marciano is a total anomaly. He's small(184 pounds), and very unorthodox. Yet he's always stalking, and relentless. He has dynamite in both hands. What a devastating KO.

[@mauropaje772]

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[@Warhawk1952]

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[@markesham6507]

You're very true I boxed a long time and not much has changed from the 1910s 1908 until Muhammad Ali Muhammad Ali course did the road to go he also pulled you in and pulled you down where you out hold on your neck these old fights are really good

[@markesham6507]

If you like these older fights look at jet Jack Johnson he was a modern boxer

[@carltonbanks5470]

Walcott is nowhere close to the best of modern fighters. Both of these men are snail slow brawlers.

[@thejerseyj5479]

Wow, two titans smashing each other. I had no idea of how formidable Walcott was. And the relentlessly attacking Marciano is a sight to behold. Marciano was always coming at you even if you hurt him. Much respect to both.

[@rayehill9578]

Yes

[@RealLifeFinance]

How they didn't both have broken ribs I don't know

[@theeverseeingeye7290]

First off comparing what round who beat who is nonsensical. Styles make fights. Ali went 15 rounds almost with Chuck Wepner and the year before knocked Foreman in his peak out in 8 rounds. In your ridiculous theory you're saying Chuck Wepner was way better than Foreman! Yeah right! Furthermore no fighter was ever better conditioned than Rocky. Read his training regimen. Rocky's lunches hit with the same force as an armor piercing bullet. Get that an armor piercing bullet. He beat every person he was ever in front of and was often a a big size disadvantage. He stalked you the entire fight and applied pressure like no other fighter. He had a killer instinct that maybe only Tyson, Foreman, and Liston could have matched. And would have given any heavyweight in history fits with his style. 49-0 with 43ko's. No one even close to that in history! His prime was later than most but what a prime he had for about 5 years. And was smart enough to quit on top and be remembered as a legend and all time great that he is!

[@meatball1385]

Walcott in the day was a monster!

[@barrykime5580]

In his prime jersey Joe would have beat Rocky!!

[@thomasfourounjian3805]

What an outstanding fight. Two monster legends, RIP.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

For 9yrs from 55 to 64 HOF Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston decimated the top 10 ratings. Ingemar Johansson and Henry Cooper declined to fight him. After Ali he didn't lose for another 5yrs and Joe Frazier declined to fight him. The Big Bear was the most ducked fighter of all time. Sonny’s only loss before Ali was his 8th fight, when Marty Marshall broke his jaw when Sonny was laughing at him. Liston fought on with a broken jaw, had it broken again in a second place, and yet only lost a split decision. He twice destroyed Marty in rematches. 2nd to his last fight when Sonny was 50yrs old he was KOd by Leotis Martin, or was he? When ref started counting notice how Sonny raises his head and turns it to rest on his forearm. That's not all. After Liston was counted out he raised himself up with his own arms, then flopped himself over onto his back. 6 months later Sonny fought his last fight against Chuck Wepner just before he died. Chuck had 6 massive cuts to his face that required the most ever 338 stitches and was pouring blood everywhere, his left eye was swollen completely shut, his cheek as well as nose were broken. Sonny Liston never Quit anything! He was-forced-to-take-dives just like so many of Rocky's opponents were. If anyone was a Quitter it was Marciano! He Up-n-Quit after a measly 8yrs at only 31yrs of age, while Liston continued fightin for 17yrs until he was 50yrs old. Little Rocky also Quit on his own kid's and wife. Rocky fan-atic's love denigrating boxers similar to Sonny every opportunity they get. But when folks retaliate they take offence. They say, "not only are u prolific hater but black as well," and "how dare u talk about my dearly beloved tiny-demigod like that."

[@MarkFloyd7451]

@@Jabbing_Jack I think you are being a little hard on Marciano. That first fight with Walcott required the heart of a lion to win. Walcott was punishing Marciano badly but Marciano never quit. Most fighters would have laid down and taken the lose. That fight and the fight with Charles, where Marciano's nose was split, tells me all I need to know about the guy. He wasn't a quitter. He was smart enough to quit while he was ahead and still have a fully functioning brain.

[@neganrex5693]

@@Jabbing_Jack You sound like a leftist with your little hate spat. You got the point accrues you hate the fact Rocky Marciano was the only undefeated heavy weight champion of the world and a Sonny Liston fan but hey you can't change real history as much as you people like to think so. Here is a little fun fact, Rocky never ducked anybody ever and beat their ass equally regardless of race, creed or color and here is another little fun fact, it took his wife to talk him out of boxing or he would have ran that record up even more. He was a equal opportunity ass kicker. Deal with it.

[@BeatlesFan1975]

@@Jabbing_Jack Sonny Liston was best ever, wasn't he? 🙂

[@dylonmc4323]

@@Jabbing_Jack here you are you black racist troll doing everything you can to troll rocky. You just can't stand that rocky beat up your black idols and retired undeafeated.

[@chrisevans5259]

Rocky was a relentless , swarming, bludgeoning type of fighter, who simply outfought, outpunched and outlasted everyone he stepped into the ring with. Tremendous will and stamina, and raw bonecrunching power made him formidable , you just couldn't discourage him in his obsessed craving to win at all costs.......A really tough fighter.......and a great unbeaten champ

[@favoriteofalltimefoat]

Not to mention probably smallest heavyweight ever with t Rex arms and still went undefeated

[@yes-qw6om]

@@favoriteofalltimefoat also hes 188 lbs and can hit harder than pretty much everyone

[@favoriteofalltimefoat]

@@yes-qw6om smallest heavyweight ever

[@oakenbeard8884]

@@favoriteofalltimefoat Tommy Burns, Dwight Qawi, Sam Langford...

[@aarondigby9859]

Rocky only had six title defenses, in my opinion you should have a minimum of ten/twelve title defenses to be considered an all time great. IJS..they have minimum at bats and minimum innings pitched in baseball, minimum games played, minimum pass attempts in football, IJS.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Archie Moore's turn finally arrived in 1952 when he was a veteran of, at a conservative estimate, 170 contests. He had enlisted the help of leading writers to campaign on his behalf. The world light heavyweight champion, Joey Maxim, was an Italian-American whose real name was Giuseppe Antonio Berardinelli. Maxim's manager, Jack "Doc" Kearns, who had managed the great 1920s heavyweight Jack Dempsey, insisted on Maxim being paid $100,000 in return for allowing the fight to go ahead in St Louis. Moore took what was left, which turned out to be $800. By the time he had paid off his sparring partners and other pre-fight expenses, there was nothing left. Nevertheless, he won the world light heavyweight title at the age of 39. After the decision, he walked over to Maxim, but was brushed aside by Kearns. "Never mind the condolences, kid," said the old man. "We've got all the money." More than that, Kearns had threatened to pull Maxim out of the fight unless Moore cut him in as his co-manager. Moore had signed - and then discovered Kearns had also negotiated a rematch clause. As a result, Moore had to beat Maxim twice more. Kearns earned a fortune. *This is another perfect example of how the underworld monopolized every single facet of boxing during that era. The International Boxing Club Mafioso President Norris and his Boss Carbo owned Marciano's manager Al Weill. Including ticket sales they took 60% of everything Marciano earned. They had theiy collar-n-leash around Marciano and made Millions!!!

[@andrewmartin538]

this is important information you give here. But I don't think it takes away from Marciano's greatness.

[@WARS187]

@@andrewmartin538 it sure does.. Also when Moore knocked Rocky down they gave him a 20+ count to get up They insured he wasn't gonna lose Moore was aged very aged and still smh

[@andrewmartin538]

@@WARS187 no ! They did not give him a 20 count ! Were did you get this stuff ! He got up emediatly! You have no facts and bpno credibility. You are a racist.

[@user-qk5oi7xg1y]

A superb match-up, both great fighters! Study the middle rds! Fierce blows, but Marciano's KO of Walcott was in the 13th. Imagine it as only a 12 rd. fight (like now), without "Championship rds" (13-15). Walcott would've won on points in 12. Instead, Marciano's 13th rd KO shot was the hardest punch ever thrown in the division. A grand post, bravo! Many thanks!!!

[@michaelwalsh7998]

if was only 12 rounds ,marciano would have applied more pressure earlier,same result

[@getredytagetredy]

It is so cool to hear the audience ambient background talk and shouts with those old omni directional microphones...

[@peggybackues2031]

I’m going on 87 years old and remember watching this fight through a furniture store window. The store would turn on a black and white TV, and turn it toward the storefront window. Always liked the Saturday Night Fights. I was around 15 years old.

[@elkalabaw7665]

this must have been a time when balding men ruled the world.

[@allend2749]

it was fought on my 15th birthday and i am now 84 the date is 7-27-22

[@pissedoff7243]

WOW !!!!!! THAT IS GREAT !!!!!!!! You cannot forget that !

[@thejerseyj5479]

You witnessed the pinnacle of the sport of boxing in your day. And, the pinnacle of this greatest country on Earth, the United States of America.

[@Diana-gf9tk]

@@thejerseyj5479🇺🇸 😁👍👍🇺🇲 ,👍😁 🥊💥🥊💥🌠🌛

[@Stout_Krout_HinesburgVT6337]

*Consider that in the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Charley Rose rated him at # 8, McCallum's survey of old-timers had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 5 all time heavyweight and 50 years have passed since Rocky retired as champion. The caliber of opponents is most important in evaluating greatness. Tommy Morrison and Roy Jones, for example, looked great against lesser opponents but pitted against the top men of their class, their shortcomings in other assets were exposed and their ability was offset by other attributes that better opponents of theirs possessed. Marciano was never so tested because his level of competition was so weak.

[@reneep9972]

You only say that because Rocky was white. Just go ahead and admit it. He NEVER lost a fight, unlike that loud mouth, draft dodging, Muslim, who lost 5 times, and ABSOLUTELY should have 10-11 losses on his record if not for massive Mafia corruption. No, I don't think Marciano would've beat Tyson, Holmes, Holyfield, Bowe, Foreman, Lewis, Wladimir, or Tyson Fury. But I absolutely believe, with every fiber in my body, Marciano would've beat Ali, the most overrated athlete, along with Derek Jeter, (and I am a diehard Yankees fan), rather easily. People who parrot Ali's big, obnoxious, loud mouth, that claims he was "The Greatest", are truly stupid, and gullible, human beings. All of those idiots, probably think that In-N-Out Barf Burgers are the "greatest" hamburgers of all time, which is even more insulting than hearing how great the Draft Dodger was. 🤢🤮🤢🤮

[@raymondfaron85]

If you had watched this fight closely you'd have seen what a tremendous fighter Walcot was. He proved that Marciano had to be a great fighter because it took a great fighter to beat Walcot.

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

The Marciano Tapes #6 @3:40 Marciano confesses Carmine Vingo hit the back of his head on the plywood flooring. He said, "it so happened that Vingo hit his head on the flooring, and it sent him unconscious. He was paralyzed a little bit in his fingers and hands. There was a change in the ruling, from then on padding was put on the ring of the flooring." Rocky's manager Al Weill said the same thing in Marciano's biography 'Unbeaten', "Vingo hit his head on the flooring, then he went unconscious." So after all this time it was the plywood flooring that partially paralyzed Vingo, not Marciano's punch. It's no wonder Vingo said, "I WAS SLAUGHTERED FOR A CROWD" --source: The Saturday Evening Post by Carmine Vingo as told by Seymour Shubin Nobody knows how that particular ring in 1949 was actually constructed at that particular venue. Regardless of the flooring, Vingo "tooth-pick" Bingo was 6' 4" 189 lbs with an abysmal 38% KO's. A closer look at his eighteen opponents: #1) Vingo 188¼ vs Barney Metten 192¾ lbs CAREER 6 wins 3 losses with 44% KO's (F-level). #2) Vingo 187 lbs vs Fred Ramsey 186 lbs CAREER 8 wins 12 losses with 28% KO's (F-level). #3) Vingo 190 lbs vs Earl Turner 198 lbs CAREER 2 wins 21 losses with 0% KO's (F-level). Turners only purpose was padding records. #4) Vingo 190 lbs vs George Washington 187 lbs CAREER 12 wins 33 losses with 17% KO's (F-level). Another paid diver. #5) Vingo 194½ lbs vs Joe Lindsay 182½ lbs CAREER 28 wins 7 losses with 29% KO's (C-level)( "VINGO LOSES" ). #6) Vingo 194 lbs vs Freddie McManus 179½ lbs CAREER 18 wins 19 losses with 7% KO's (F-level). #7) Vingo 197 lbs vs Tommy DiGiorgio 183½ lbs CAREER 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KO's (F-level). #8) Vingo 192 lbs vs Jimmy Walls 189½ lbs CAREER 20 wins 41 losses with 8% KO's (F-level). Another diver. #9) Vingo 189½ lbs vs Tommy DiGiorgio 183½ lbs CAREER 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KO's (F-level). "SECOND TIME" Vingo fights this F-level undercard boxer. Why? #10) Vingo 188 lbs vs Johnny Williams 183 lbs CAREER 2 wins 13 losses with 6% KO's (F-level). This isn't even boxing anymore. It's charity for the homeless. #11) Vingo 188 lbs vs Don Mogard 191¼ lbs CAREER 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KO's (D to F-level). #12) Vingo 195 lbs vs Freddie McManus 178 lbs CAREER 18 wins 19 losses with 7% KO's (F-level). "SECOND TIME" Vingo fights this F-level opponent. Why? #13) Vingo 195 lbs vs Ernie Conyer 191½ lbs CAREER 5 wins 9 losses with 21% KO's (F-level). #14) Vingo 185 lbs vs Ernie Conyer 187½ lbs CAREER 5 wins 9 losses with 21% KO's (F-level). "SECOND TIME" Vingo fights this F-level opponent. Why? #15) Vingo 188½ lbs vs Joe Modzele 183 lbs CAREER 18 wins 8 losses with 26% KO's (D to F-level). Light heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights were dime a dozen back then. #16) Vingo 192½ lbs vs George Washington 189 lbs CAREER 12 wins 33 losses (F-level). "SECOND TIME" Vingo fights this F-level diver. VINGO FOUGHT "FOUR" (4) OPPONENTS "TWICE" WITHIN 16 BOUTS. Why? #17) Vingo 193 lbs vs Al Robinson 193 lbs CAREER 0 wins 5 losses with 0% KO's (F-level). Vingo actually fights a debuting amateur just before he faces Rocky. Why? This isn't even funny anymore. #18) Vingo 189 lbs vs Rocky Marciano 180¼ lbs CAREER 49 wins 0 losses with 87.76% KO's (A-level). Vingo was completely outclassed and never had a chance from the get-go. I saw their Getty Museum pics and Marciano didn't have a single mark on his face, and his eyes were wide open and clear. What they did to Carmine was a travesty! *THE WORST PREDETERMINED 16-2 BOXING RESUME OF ALL TIME All this time i was mislead into believing that Vingo was this twenty year old superstar being prepped to become the next Heavyweight champ. Instead he was prepped for "SLAUGHTER JUST TO PLEASE A CROWD" --Carmine Vingo [ Sad part is little Marciano fights at least 40 of these homeless F-level walk-ins who were simply fightin for room and board ]

[@manny4mayor]

Are you ok?

[@johnhinkle1138]

So much respect for ALL these greats. Warriors, Gladiators, MEN. Never hate on any man that’s willing to get in the ring. They are scared, yet they are feared. What a great fight! Beautiful fight between two beautiful champions.

[@harryheath4279]

But wow they had to scrape Walcott off the canvas

[@pauw9825]

great comment perfectly put

[@travisj.1938]

Couldn't have put it better myself Mr. Hinkle well said. 👍

[@peterjewett1491]

Addressed to John Hinkle. I couldn't have said this better myself you are correct sir

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

♦️How many losses did the BEST Heavyweight Champions of All Time have: Lewis 2,, Holmes 6,, Ali 5,, Vitali 2,, Foreman 5,, Tyson 6,, Wladimir 5,, Bowe 1,, Liston 4,, Louis 3,, Holyfield 10,, Frazier 4,, Norton 7,, Tunney 1,, Dempsey 6,, Jack Johnson 11....Who's missing? Oh, little Marciano is missing. Why? "SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES" -- Lennox Lewis Cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott 49W 20L 39-Year Old Club Fighter. Joe Louis 66W 3L Over The Hill Came Back From The Dead Before Count Dracula. Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Ezzard Charles 95W 25L Club Fighter With More Beatings Than Curley of The Three Stooges. Welterweight-Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Archie Moore 186W 23L 41-Year Old Grandfather was Factually Born in 1913. Archie was Already Fightin Professionally When tiny Rocky was Only 12-Years Old!!! Pick a Decade.. 60s,, 70s,, 80s,, 90s,, 2000s? He would have been destroyed in all of them! Little Marciano only steered towards zombies and mediocre opposition at best.. "Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"

[@draft1643]

The chins these guys used to have, it's unbelievable

[@joshuatree5620]

Would of hated to see some of these guys in later life.they would be vegetables.

[@thomasjones7115]

@@joshuatree5620 ... yea I knew a man back in the early 1980's from the late 40's and 50's pro boxing scene in Oakland ca. ... he was damaged severely from the " sport " .... walked with a limp .. had a slurred speech impediment ... drooled from his mouth considerably ... he was a vibrant man despite his permanent injuries .... God bless him ....

[@ERob-cu4ts]

And I'll bet they had little to no padding in those gloves. 🙄

[@ivaneverts5493]

@@joshuatree5620 well recived

[@ivaneverts5493]

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[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

*ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano @**35:01** Bert Sugar said, "His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* *People forget when they talk about the fights between Marciano and Ezzard Charles that Charles was showing symptoms of ALS. William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 - before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS, (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.* *In summary:* Ray Arcel who loved Ezzard like a son, said, *"Charles had traces of ALS in 51."* Ezzard's own family members said, *"they noticed signs of ALS in 51."* Ezzard Charles (himself) said he, *"felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 51."* *Trying to deny the fact that Charles had weakness in his limbs (ALS) against Marciano in 1954 is not possible because the eye test does not lie. It happened and is well documented so it can never be swept under the carpet. That horrible Motor neurone gene presented itself in 1951 if not earlier. Ezzard Charles was only 53 when he passed - Rest easy champ.*

[@michaelmettry6120]

Any excuse will do.

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

​@@michaelmettry6120 Lou Gehrig's Disease is not an excuse.

[@bobbyd1776]

@@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD The problem with your story is that it is just that, a story. Charles did NOT have ALS in 1951. He wouldn't even be diagnosed with the disease until 1968. Just ask Wikipedia.

[@manny4mayor]

Had enough strength to sign the contracts and cash the checks though. Guess we should ignore the 8 ko victories he had between '51 and the loss to Marciano.

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

@@manny4mayor He didn't have 8 KO's. ALL yer credibility just flew out the window. Try again Mr. Whiteboy.

[@raymondparsley7442]

Marciano gave real meaning to the saying: "Powerful things come in small packages"..... Rocky was knockout magic and never lost a fight.

[@CLASSICS200]

Marciano hits like a bolt of lightning, I had to rewind the viedo 5 times to see the right hand knock out punch, unbelievable indurance and power.

[@MJIZZEL]

Same here. Couldn't hardly catch it he swung so fast.

[@stevieg4201]

I did the same, I think I rewatched that knock out punch 8 or 10 times, it didn’t even look like it was much, but when you saw Joe Walcott’s head jerk back and to the right, you knew that was a super powerful right hand, so fast, and the left that followed didn’t help Joe much either, what a fight, modern day gladiators for their time, these men made boxing exciting, The Rock always was, and still is one of my all time favorites to this day.

[@tonyhelton2788]

I totally agree. I know for a fact that the hand is quicker than the eye and the camera too, but man at 56:33 I played that video over and over again and never could see Rocky's glove actually contact Walcott's head. I honestly could not swear that I actually saw that punch connect. This is not the first time I saw a quicker than the eye punch though. But most of the time I can stop the film and see the contact. This time I could not.

[@booch326]

@@tonyhelton2788 Took a "dive"?

[@kevinkendall3122]

​@booch326 took a dive after he got jackhammered by Rocky's right hand

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Hall of Fame All Time Great Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston had not lost for 10 years before Ali, and didn’t lose again for 5 more. Sonny’s only loss before Ali was early in his career when Marty Marshall broke his jaw when Sonny was laughing at him. Liston fought on with a broken jaw, had it broken again in a second place, yet only lost by split decision. He twice destroyed Marty in rematches.

[@michaelcierpisz4266]

😂

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

BoxRec has officially listed these Rocky Marciano opponents as *'middleweights'* and *'light'* heavyweights: Eddie Ross - division *"Middleweight"* Harry Bilazarian - division *"Middleweight"* Archie Moore - division *"Light heavy"* Harry Matthews - division *"Light heavy"* Harry Haft - division *"Light heavy"* Ted Lowry - division *"Light heavy"* Willis Applegate - division *"Light heavy"* Bob Jefferson - division *"Light heavy"* Ezzard Charles - division *"Light heavy"* Apparently after 23 years BoxRec recently *changed Ezzard Charles's division classification to "heavy" several days ago.* It don't matter if they change it to the *"Super-Heavy" division* because he still only weighed *'181-lbs'* when he won his title and there is nothing BoxRec or anyone can do or say to change that Fact. Did the Klitschko brothers and Lennox Lewis have the luxury of fightin middleweights and light heavyweights? Of course not. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?* Marciano's small era was a huge contributing factor towards the *"cruiserweight"* division being created. *There comes a point the size disparity becomes a bridge too far even for outstanding smaller boxers.* Little Rocky was only 31 when he *"QUIT"* during his prime. He only fought a measly 7 years while everyone else fought 20 years. Many Heavyweights could have retired undefeated if they had *"QUIT"* after only 7 years. What Marciano did to his family is *"unforgivable"* During his retirement speech and his appearance on the Ed Sullivan show he said, "I want to spend more time with my family." *That's not True. It was all a lie. He immediately abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousands then left them penniless--@ 1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI*

[@redbostonred2223]

JOE WALCOTT OUT WEIGHT MARCIANO WHEN HE WON THE TITLE JOE LOUIS WAS OVER 200 HUNDRED POUNDS CHARLES OUT WEIGHT ROCKY, REX LAINE OUT WEIGHT ROCKY, DON COCKELL OUT WEIGHT ROCKY, WHEN HE BEAT ARCHIE MOORE HE WEIGHT 1/4 MORE MORE AND THAT WAS THE HEAVIEST MARCIANO EVER WEIGHT AS A MATTER OF FACT ALMOST ALL THE BOXERS HE FOUGHT OUT WEIGHT HIM ROCKY WAS 33 YEARS OLD WHEN HE RETIRED

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

@@redbostonred2223 Rocky was 31 when he fought Moore, his last fight, correct?? Joe Louis was completely washed and Walcott was 38/39, correct? Charles factually had Lou Gehrig's Disease and the others aren't worth talking about, correct? NAME ONE TOP-NOTCH PRIME 200+LBS BOXER HE FOUGHT???

[@bobbyd1776]

@@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD Factually Charles had Lou Gehrigs disease in 1968. When he fought Rocky he was in perfect health. Why must you persist with all these lies?

[@mariealbergo7991]

Walcott was an all time great fighter who probably beats any heavyweight in history on that night. His movement, agility, punching power and guile would be a nightmare for any heavyweight in history. I believe this was his greatest performance. He just went up against the most relentless and determined heavyweight in history. The Marciano right hand bomb that ended the fight was so monstrous that it sounded like a thunder clap. According to ringside observers, women and children ran toward the exit signs of Municipal stadium crying because they thought Walcott was dead.

[@mariealbergo7991]

@studentofsweetscience I agree that Walcott might have thought that Marciano was not on his level but I think he knew he had to hold his ground and get Marciano's respect, especially early in the fight. Also, it would be very hard for somebody to move for 15 rounds without running out of gas. Marciano actually got stronger as the fight went on. His conditioning and belief in his strength were unbelievable. Walcott was incredibly slick but also tough and powerful in his own right.Some of the exchanges they had in the middle rounds were ferocious. Neither fighter had any fear of the other. The lead left hook that dropped Marciano early was a great shot . Walcott starched the great Ezzard Charles with a similar punch. It seemed like once Marciano got warmed up he became almost indestructible, because Walcott hit him with much harder shots later in the fight and Marciano didn't blink. This was no doubt a great fight between 2 truly great fighters.

[@mariealbergo7991]

@studentofsweetscience I had Walcott winning the Joe Louis fight as most people did, however Marciano was a pure pressure fighter where Louis was a stand up boxer. Walcott was able to rest in spaces throughout the Louis fight. Marciano forced the pace by constantly coming forward. No doubt Walcott was in tremendous shape and didn't really slow down much in the Marciano fight. He just got caught on the chin by one of the great shots in ring history. Jersey Joe Walcott's courage might have cost him the championship. Right before the knockout shot, Walcott backed up to the ropes trying to make Marciano walk into a shot. Marciano shuffled forward and threw a range finding jab that was not intended to land but to measure Walcott. The jab also turned his shoulders , putting Marciano into perfect position to launch the right hand with full leverage. They both threw right hands at the same time. Marciano started his right slightly before Walcott started his and the rest is history. I had Walcott ahead on points but the tide was turning. In the middle and especially the late rounds Walcott started to realize that he couldn't knockout Marciano which is why he started to box and move a lot more. I thought Walcott fought an almost perfect fight but that one mistake cost him the title. If you look closely, after Walcott landed the great left hook that dropped Rocky in the first round, Marciano got up on steady legs and went right at Walcott and won the rest of that round. The fact that Marciano was able to recover so quickly from a knockout shot like that is one of the reasons he was so hard to beat.

[@spirgtudsrubec7776]

@@mariealbergo7991 Two great fighters one over rated the other underrated, but both great fighters.

[@donsimons9810]

@@spirgtudsrubec7776 i smell the brown bomber troll

[@miguelarouca4150]

Walcott's brain froze or he gassed. Why did he stopped moving like he had done up till then? Incomprehensible.

[@jackdoe552]

I feel fortunate that I can watch this in 2022. Props to BoxNights.

[@margot9215]

49 wins, 43 knockouts, 0 defeats. Rocky Marciano, a hero to all those who are told they can't.

[@bobbyd5276]

40 Marciano opponents: We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using US school grades A, B, C, D, and F. Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level) Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level) Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs (F-level) John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs (F-level) Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs (F-level) Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs (D-level) Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs (D-level) James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs (D-level) Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs (D-level) Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs (F-level) Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs (F-level) Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs (F-level) Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs (F-level) Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs (D-level) Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs (D to F-level) Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs (D-level) Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs (F-level) Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs (F-level) Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs (F-level) Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs (F-level) Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level) Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level) Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level) Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level) Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs (D-level) Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs (D to F-level) Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs (F-level) Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs (D-level) Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs (D-level) Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs (D-level) Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs (D-level) Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs (D-level) Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less. Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less. Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less. Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less. Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see who he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less. Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents. Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck. Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-level resume. Problem is he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight. Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. I thought this was the Heavyweight division? Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion? Even Marciano's best 3 opponents; Walcott-Charles-Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano? IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0...D AND F-LEVEL HOMELESS WALK-IN BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$...NUMBERS DO NOT LIE *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine

[@bobbyd5276]

Marciano fanboys describe him as being so fierce that he basically killed all 49 of his opponents in the ring. Y'all have these Rocky vids so saturated with so much exaggerated hyperbolic nonsense that it's laughable. "Little Marciano was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , because when he walked the earth shook." Don't be so gullible, Marciano only fed on middleweights and light heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights. If Marciano was so Powerful why didn't he ever break any bones? He never broke one rib, one nose, one eye-socket, one jaw or detached one retina. Exactly who's bones did he break? WAITING---TIC--TOC--TIC--TOC ..... ""NOBODY""!!!! ""ZERO""!!!! Roland LaStarza with all his supposed "Broken Bones" and "Ruptured Blood Vessels" only had minor surgery, what's the big deal? Y'all act as if both his arms were decapitated. LaStarza simply had tiny miniscule bone-chips removed from his elbow just like David Tua did after his fight with Ibeabuchi. It's a common boxing injury because everyone blocks punches using their forearms and elbows. When Roland left boxing he went on to a very lucrative TV acting career. *(Besides LaStarza said, "I already had elbow problems before i even fought Marciano." I have the article). Here's the newspaper article about Layne's tooth: "Rex Layne lost a left upper tooth..the tooth broke at the gums when Marciano caught the Utahn in the mouth with a full right hand. Layne was taken immediately after the fight to a New York dentist to have the teeth X-rayed and also for treatment on a broken tooth." Layne's handlers said, "the tooth went out with the gumshield." Rex only sustained "ONE" broken tooth! He fought Charles exactly 3 months later, so what's the big deal? Folks break their teeth all the time skateboarding or slippin-n-fallin on the ice. "He punched out almost every tooth in Rex Lyne's mouth and sent his gum guard into the crowd. It take massive power to do that. If Layne was 6'6 240+ it wouldn't of made any difference" --written by Marciano Fanboy 12 years ago.. (exaggerated misinformation at it's finest).

[@bobbyd5276]

Rocky's numbers may not lie, but numbers minus context can easily lead to distortion. So let's examine those 13 opponents (not in order) that he supposedly "Forced-into-Retirement" instantaneously: #1) Amateur Lee Epperson - 0 wins 0 losses. Shameful to even count this as a "Forced-Retirement." Retired from what? He never even had a career. Epperson was probably 15 years old like Walcott & Moore were when they first started. #2) Amateur Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 0 losses. Embarrassing to count this as "Forced-Retirement." Probably another 15 year old. #3) Amateur John Edwards - 1 win 1 loss. Y'all gonna count this as a "Forced Retirement" also? #4) We factually know that ring-worn-n-washed Joe Louis only came back because the IRS-FORCED him to. As soon as IRS took Joe's purse for fightin Rocky he was finally outta there for good!!! #5) Walcott only returned for Marciano-2 for another easy $250K. Walcott received the lions share both fights. Had Walcott continued fightin he would have only received a fraction of that. $250K back then is $2.6 million today. Rocky never "Forced-Retirement" upon Walcott,, he "QUIT"!!! #6) Lee Savold age was 36 with 153 bouts. His manager, Bill Daily, asked referee Pete Tomasso to stop the uneven match at the end of the sixth round. "The will was there but not the body," said Daily. "I'm going to advise Lee to retire Tomorrow." Lee didn't even throw a punch, he just stood there like a heavy punching bag. Completely washed Savold was only there for his last Big-Paycheck!!! #7) Humphrey "The-Bum" Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KO's (D to F-level). Jackson never beat a winning fighter. It only took 0:34 seconds for Jackson to be KO'd in his first fight, and 1:28 in his last fight. The less said about "The-Bum" the better. #8) Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KO's looks okay until you see he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less. Evans weighed 178 lbs. Too many light heavyweights. #9) Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KO's (D-level). Harry was only 5' 9" 174 lbs. I thought this was the Heavyweight division? #10) Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KO's (D-level). Marciano fights Buonvino "TWICE", why? #11) Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KO's (F-level). Marciano fought Eatman who had just lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Rocky's handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone decent after coming so close to losing against LaStarza. ("Eatman proved no opposition for Marciano", according to the Providence Journal, "Marciano hit Eatman with a right in the 3rd round, and Eatman went down though it didn't appear he was hit"--written by BoxRec.)--Eatman obviously took-a-dive. #12) Pete Louthis was 32-13-5 with 35% KO's (F-level). Pete fought amateur Willie James with a 0-0-0 debut record only 2 fights before facing Marciano. Pete fought 10 amateurs with 0-0-0 debut records. For Pete's sake he also fought another 20 opponents that had 10 or less fights. Pete's profession was padding records. #13) Carmine Vingo -- 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KO's looks good until you see ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents. The Marciano Tapes #6 @3:40 Marciano confesses Carmine Vingo hit the back of his head on the plywood flooring. He said, "it so happened that Vingo hit his head on the flooring, and it sent him unconscious. He was paralyzed a little bit in his fingers and hands. There was a change in the ruling, from then on padding was put on the ring of the flooring." So after all this time it was the plywood flooring that partially paralyzed Vingo, not Marciano's punch. It appears little Rocky didn't "Force-Retire" any of these boxers. Overwhelming majority of his supposed 43 KO's were referees stopping his fights prematurely and homeless walk-ins takin dives and paddin records.

[@johnconnor48]

@@bobbyd5276 Yeah but i'll bet you're an African American right? Yall are bitterly envious and hatefilled toward Whitey who's given you EVERYTHING you have, including boxrec, KZbin, the English language, and on average 22% of your genetics to drag you up to an 80 IQ, running hot n cold water on demand, hot nutritious food on demand, the conditions to box in safety, the supplemnts, the super smart chemists who make the PEDs that all your athletes use to help promote the anti-Wh te J-ish agenda that you can hang with us, the cars you drive, the planes and ships your boxers OPPONENTS travel on, top notch boxing kit, including the clothes and boots, the heavy bags, speed bags, the multi storey building it's housed in, something EVEN TODAY Africans need Wh te folks to oversee, the TV and satellite that make it possible to watch boxing, the boxing coaching from which the sport emerged b/c we invented it, we codified the rules for boxing and every other sport - we are only a tiny minority in the world we still dominate most sports, everything that makes life tolerable is thanks to us

[@robertsantana6462]

@@bobbyd5276ur mom was 49-0 with homeless men as well

[@Studentofsweetscience]

@ 3: 27 the banner-caption or on-screen text reads; ARCHIE MOORE CLASSIC SPORTS At age 42, second oldest ever to fight for heavyweight championship (George Foreman, age 45 in 1994) Archie's age is no longer a mystery. Wiki recently removed 1916 and went with 1913 per family request. “My mother should know since she was there." -- Archie Moore Jul 20, 2020 - Archie Moore - BoxRec writes -- "Moore claimed he was born December 13, 1916, but his mother said he was born December 13, 1913. The U.S. Census record from 1920 seems to put an end to the mystery. "Archie L. Wright" is listed as a nephew in the household of Cleveland Moore and was three years and two months old on the date of the census" - January 2, 1920. So BoxRec says, "'Seems"' to put an "'end'" to the mystery." Who said it's the "'end'" ? BoxRec serves maybe two million folks. Wiki serves Billions and they say 1913. Archie's Mother and Archie's children say 1913 so they take precedent. Archie's mother did not fill out that census form, an uncle did who lived in a different state. Archie claimed he was born in 1916 in Collinsville, Illinois. But Archie's Mother told reporters numerous times, "Archibald was born in 1913 in Benoit, Mississippi" and that she was "never in Collinsville." December 13, 1913 was even written in his obituary by his children. "My mother should know since she was there." -- Archie Moore Says Billy Moore, Archie’s 68-year-old son who lives in San Diego, “My daddy was born in Benoit, Mississippi, and he was proud of it. If I heard him say it once, I heard him say it hundreds of times." @ BoxRec - Wikipedia --- 'Criticism of website' -very first sentence reads, ""BoxRec has been criticized for not keeping correct records for boxers, especially historic fighters"" Here's a perfect example of BoxRec's inaccuracies and why they're criticized...Walcott's actual record is 51-18-2 and he was KO'd (5) times...yet BoxRec shows ""49-20-1 KO'd (6) times""

[@ballhawk387]

What a classic, appreciate the upload. Interesting that both had a sort of broken rhythm that made them hard to hit cleanly, even without much footwork compared to some others, but both were also powerful and accurate punchers, so they connected heavy and often. Marciano's defense was very underrated, with lots of erratic head movement. And if one went for his body, he'd catch them with his own sledgehammer blows. Jersey Joe was in great shape, too, certainly not looking "over the hill". Exceptional boxing skills on display, but Rocky managed to get that sledgehammer to connect cleanly and that's al she wrote. Two of the greatest ever to enter the ring.

[@michaellopez2070]

Not over the hill, but likely didn’t have the cardio or chin a man with less mileage would have had. I wonder how this fight would have gone ten years earlier when Walcott had more of his body to sacrifice.

[@Jersey-Joe]

My all time favorite Heavyweight championship fight. This upload is the best quality in the world bar none. Thanks so much!

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

Immediately after Bert said that, Bill Gallo chimes in and says, *"Ray Arcel was a good friend of mine and he told me he loved Ezzard Charles like a son."* -- which brings us to whatever happened to the famous Ray Arcel ??? *"After some disputes with president Jim Norris of The International Boxing Club of New York (IBC) in the 1950s, Ray Arcel (trainer for Charles) retired from training after being injured with a lead pipe during an attack in Boston. The case that was never solved by police."* --Wiki *"In the early fifties, Arcel ran afoul of organized crime after arranging fights for the ABC television network. The matches competed with other network television fights run by the IBC, known to have underworld ties. In September 1953, in front of a Boston hotel, Arcel was struck on the head with a lead pipe. Many believed that the assault was related to his work in television. Arcel recovered but dropped out of boxing soon after the incident. Not until the early 1970s did Arcel return. He began an eight-year association with Roberto Duran."* --International Boxing Hall Of Fame *And Sports journalist Bert Sugar was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame for his vast amount of boxing knowledge. Mr. Sugar was widely regarded as the “boxing bible." Sugar wrote more than 80 books and was ranked as "The Greatest Boxing Writer of the 20th Century" by the International Veterans Boxing Association. Among his boxing books are Sting like a Bee, Great Fights, Bert Sugar on Boxing, 100 Years of Boxing, The 100 Greatest Boxers of All Time, The Thrill of Victory, The Ageless Warrior and Boxing's Greatest Fighters.*

[@blackDavidFrost-n-DesMoines]

The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD

[@blackDavidFrost-n-DesMoines]

90% of little white opponents were journeymen, and the rest were small cruiserweight has-beens with twice as many fights on the downward slide. Considering all his B-Level opposition and the fact that he 'Quit' during his 'Prime' , 49-0 really isn't that fantastic.

[@Stout_Krout_HinesburgVT6337]

THE 3 BIGGER OPPONENTS little MARCIANO FOUGHT: 254 lb amateur Humphrey "The-Bum" Jackson had 4 wins 3 losses, all against smaller opponents. 229 lb Bill "Soccer-ball" Wilson lost (27) times, all against smaller opponents. 220 lb Johnny "Tooth-pick" Shkor lost (19) times, all against smaller opponents. And this is why we 'NEVER' hear about any of Marciano's 'bigger' opponents as they were D and F-level undercard boxers being paid with room-n-board to pad records.

[@LorolinAstori]

One of the most underrated heavyweight championship bouts.

[@MaximusWolfe]

It’s pretty iconic actually

[@philipinchina]

RIP, Rocky. Undefeated, nobody can ever take that away.

[@lovenlightman]

Undefeated cause he retiered young. JOE Louis had to keep fighting after his prime ,becaus the govetment got him in Debt while he served in world war 2.

[@philipinchina]

@@lovenlightman spelling isn't your strong point is it?

[@outwiththem]

BAlboa Rocky ?

[@yaderblen2890]

Few fights too

[@tilz393]

id agree if walcott and others werent much older over the hill fighters i dont know but i think lewis was older not sure

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

*When "The President" Nigerian Ike Ibeabuchi met "The Tuamanator" Samoan David Tua the Nigerian got out to an insanely fast start, throwing 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs. Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches - in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic "tribal" battle and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226lb Tua's record stood at 27-0-0 23KO's while 236lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0-0 12KO's. This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two Super Heavyweight warriors stood toe to toe exhibiting exceptional heart and endurance. Both boxers threw bombs and neither took a backward step.* ("The Tuamanator" would have obliterated light heavyweights Charles-n-Moore and "The President" woulda walked through little Marciano and Walcott as if they were invisible.) Marciano was good during his little post war era three generations ago but he would not be relevant against today's top-notch Super Heavyweights similar to: Undefeated 263lb Makhmudov Undefeated 248lb Sanchez Undefeated 247lb Hrgovic Undefeated 245lb Anderson Undefeated 275lb Fury just to name a few. And then there's so many other real-Heavyweights little Rocky couldn't handle similar to: Lewis Bowe Vitali Ruddock Witherspoon Grant Bruno Holmes Ali Foreman Liston Tyson Usyk Wladimir Ruiz Parker Ortiz Dokes Lyle Thomas Weaver Briggs Morrison Cooney Wilder *I could "easily" list another Twenty-Five!!!*

[@mtman2]

Guess you've convinced yourself...lol

[@manny4mayor]

​@@mtman2 i'm convinced marciano banged his mom

[@mgillis58]

I never realized how great a fighter/boxer Jersey Joe was, and incredible power in both hands.

[@Gone_fishing335]

Walcott is an ATG Boxing Hall of Famer. The only Heavy that I'm aware of that earned 6 shots at the Heavy title and won it with a devastating near decapitating KO shot over 30 year old Charles. He was a great champ, my fave.

[@jamesshofner9674]

​@@Gone_fishing335np

[@michaelwalsh7998]

people forget that when putting rocky down,walcott as one tough fighter

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

"From the beginning and all through the buildup of the Walcott vs. Louis 1 fight in 1947, the press criticized Walcott. *In no time at all, his age became a huge subject of debate. Every sports reporter claimed that Jersey Joe was at least 38 years old. Others said he was older.* Sportswriters dubbed him "Pappy," "elderly," "ancient," and "aging" were commonly used to describe Walcott. Since he was born at home and not in a hospital, he could not prove his age with a birth certificate that was filed when he was born. Walcott had to have a birth certificate for the different state boxing commission's inorder to continue boxing. Needless to say Walcott haphazardly created and filed a birth certificate in 1936 when he was in his mid 20s at the Camden Bureau of Vital Statistics." *It's all there in Walcott's biography Chapter 9 page 71. If Walcott was 38 when he fought Louis in 47 wouldn't that put him at 43 when he faced Rocky in 52?* It makes perfect sense when ya study Walcott's facial features and the way his legs faded around the 10th round. Walcott got trapped against the ropes with *'Both Hands Down'* during the 13th. As little Rocky slowly shuffled towards Walcott why didn't he move to his left or right like he was previously doing? Bcz his ring worn 40yr old senior citizen legs were washed, that's why. Hey, it happens to us all. Nobody escapes father time! Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

There are few Heavyweight champions in the history of boxing that are better known for their losses than their wins. *Jersey Joe Walcott's high profile losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials,, not his wins.* *During his peak championship years, Walcott scored 7 wins with 5 KO's. Only one of those KO's came against a ranked fighter, that being Ezzard Charles. During this time Walcott also lost 7 times and suffered 10 count KO's 3 times and a 9 count once. In total fights during this time Walcott's record was 7-7. In title fights he went 2-6 with 1 KO win and 3 KO losses. He fought 3 different men in his 8 title fights, was defeated by each of them twice, KO'd by two of them and only defeated one of them.* In his overall career Walcott had a *49-20-1* record and was *KO'd 6 times* (BoxRec). Based on these *less than impressive stats* it is difficult to consider him anymore than a *good Journeyman.* Walcott scored 32 KO's in 70 fights. The *'only two'* 'ranked' fighters Walcott ever KO'd was an off the floor 10th round win over Curtis Sheppard and the *lightning in the bottle* KO of Ezzard Charles. Walcott is a prime example of boxing historians rating a fighter *higher than he deserves based on impressive losses.* Walcott was winless* in all 4 of his fights vs. Louis/Marciano and was KO'd 3 times. *The fact that Walcott was granted 6 title attempts in a 6 year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division must have been at this time. ""Five"" of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss.* Had Walcott been fighting in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's, there is *no-way* he would have been granted this many opportunities after *losing so-many title attempts.* Walcott should at best be remembered not as a great Heavyweight champion, but a *good C-LEVEL Journeyman.* If a fighter today had 20 losses and was KO'd 6 times he'd be considered F-LEVEL all day every day. Wilder and Joshua only have 5 losses between them yet they are already considered has-beens. *But it's perfectly fine for Walcott Charles Moore to have (68) losses, double standard.* Lennox Lewis was only KO'd 2 times and his top-10 ranking has suffered ever since. *But it's perfectly fine for Walcott Charles Moore to have been KO'd (20) times, double standard.* Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?

[@ghana21]

No matter how old Walcott was in this bout, he gave Rocky his toughest fight other than Charles. Walcott got better age, crafty, slick, a ring cutie. Had it gone to distance he would've won on points.....Rocky is just pure class, not many escaped his KO power. RIP to both of these legends...gotta love this sport

[@hedzb5954]

this was Marciano's first ass whooping, he was never the same again

[@rockyfan3080]

Hedz B ass whooping?!what fight were you watching?!

[@dannyburch2122]

Bun B don't forget the great other Charles the cobra in Cincinnati Ohio that was a brawl as well Ezzard Charles

[@SPIDERM0OSE]

Bun B I like wat yer saying but theres no way Jersey Joe was gonna win that on points. Rocky had him on the way out from rd 9 on, it was only Joes guts, heart, skillz n pride that was keeping him in it. Rocky wore him down with top class pressure.

[@davidrox4591]

@@dannyburch2122 I assume that's who he meant.

[@ferrantepallas]

This is the best fight of Walcott's career. It is astounding that he didn't demolish Rocky -- aside from knocking him down with a left hook that knocked out Ezzard Charles, he was lifting Marciano off the canvas in the later rounds. Incredible bout.

[@frankpaya690]

Unlucky 13 round for Wolcott Lucky 13 for Rocky!

[@tomsanders2533]

@@frankpaya690 ws

[@ronaldfullerton1954]

A right to the chin knocked joe out cold...unconcious...lights out...

[@richardscott7377]

Ali would have chopped Rocky to pieces. Rocky would never lay a glove on Ali.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles only weighed 181 pounds when he won his 'vacant' Super Heavyweight title against cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott in 1949. Exactly two years later Charles weighed a massive 182 pounds when he lost his Super Heavyweight title to you guessed it, 194 pound Journeyman Joe again. The fact that Walcott was granted 6 title attempts in a 6 year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time. Five of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott Loss!!! So how the heck did Walcott get 6 attempts at the Heavyweight Championship? Because the so-called 'Heavyweight' division was nonexistent and he was the closest to being a genuine Heavyweight. The 200+lb Heavyweights that did exist (Jackson, Wilson, Shkor) were D and F-level boxers. 254 lb amateur Humphrey "The-Bum" Jackson had a career 4 wins 3 losses (F-level). 230 lb Bill Wilson had a career 40 wins 20 losses (F-level) and an abysmal 30% KOs. 220 lb Johnny Shkor had a career 50 wins 20 losses and an abysmal 40% KOs. Journeyman Joe was C-level at best. Overall he Lost (20) times and was KOd (6) times. Walcott's most notable victories include wins over Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles, Light heavyweight Joey Maxim and Light heavyweight Harold Johnson. Light heavyweight Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times. Light heavyweight Maxim Lost (29) times. Light heavyweight Johnson Lost (11) times and was KO'd (5) times. Light heavyweight Archie Moore Lost (23) times was and KOd (7) times. Would it have been ok if Marciano Lost (25) times and was KTFO (7) times? Of course not. If little Marciano had so much as a 'Draw', he wouldn't even be ranked top 20. Lennox constantly catches heck for being KO'd twice. Liston constantly catches heck for losing to Light heavyweight Marty Marshall early in his career. Yet it's perfectly fine for Charles, Walcott and Moore to be KOd 20 times combined and lose 68 times.

[@michaelmettry6120]

Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott were heavyweight champions.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Little Rocky never faced Genuine Heavyweight power punchers like McCall & Rahman. McCall was 6' 2" 237lbs and Rahman was 6' 3" 238lbs Little Rocky never faced Genuine Heavyweight power punchers like McCall & Rahman. McCall was 6' 2" 237lbs and Rahman was 6' 3" 238lbs

[@michaelcierpisz4266]

😂

[@Denner771]

Little Mike Tyson was 5-10 and fought at 218 😮 Marciano would have beaten MCCall and Rahman down in a 15 round fight.

[@johnwayne7128]

And today's heavy weights would mop the floor with this guy.. I loved him when I was a kid and got into combat sports but to be serious he couldn't beat but a few of today's contenders

[@mikechubb9810]

Neither did Louis..

[@JohnSmith-em9ks]

My God! These guys are incredible. Just one of those body shots by the Rock to the average man would have broken all their ribs 3 x over! And Joe keeps on fighting? How? True champions both!

[@beatlejim64]

Man gets knocked down for the first time in his career...he's gets cut...blinded for 3 or 4 rounds...JJW is pounding the shit out of him...he's behind on all scorecards...and then in the 13th round..."POW"...he throws the best right hand ever...KO's Joe Walcott...and wins the title!!! The man was a FIGHTER...he wasn't there to do anything else!

[@thespy7795]

Knocked out an old man. And had PLENTY of trouble. Not Impressive at all.

[@beatlejim64]

Not impressive? You're kidding!

[@thespy7795]

Jim Cushman Why would I be impressed with a man who is more than 12 years younger than his Old Opponent winning a fight in which he was LOSING, GOT CUT, HURT AND KNOCKED DOWN???????

[@beatlejim64]

You mean when Ali beat Liston...who was 10 years older than Ali.... ...Brian London...who was 8 years older than Ali....George Chuvalo...was was 5 years older than Ali...Floyd Patterson...who was 7 years older than Ali...Cleveland Williaams...who was 9 years older than Ali.....you mean Zora Folley...who was 11 years older than Ali. You mean Henry Cooper...who was 8 years older than Ali?These are the ages of Ali's opponents when he was in his prime from 1963 to 1967. You wanna talk ages?

[@thespy7795]

Ali wasn't knocked down, cut, beat up and behind in those fights. THAT'S THE POINT! He handled those fighters the way he was SUPPOSED TO. So did Tyson when HE was younger. THAT'S THE POINT! NOT THE AGE.

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

Rex Layne - 50 wins 17 losses with an abysmal 48% KOs *C-LEVEL* Keep in mind that *C-LEVEL* is an average fighter that's still capable of winning a title. Layne scores an extremely low *15 points* for his top 10 ranked appearances throughout his career. *Who did he beat?* His best win *was against Walcott* but *everybody beat Jersey Joe so no biggie.* Jersey Joe Walcott - 49 wins 20 losses with an abysmal 44% KOs *C-LEVEL* Walcott scores *55 points* for his top 10 positions. Walcott fought for the title *6* times and lost *5* times. *He's more famous for his losses than his wins.* Ali scored *164 points,* Louis scored *138,* Wladimir *136,* Lennox *111,* Holyfield *109,* Holmes *88,* Foreman *86,* Frazier *84,* Tyson *77* and little Marciano only scored *48 points!* Ali is the only Heavyweight with an *A+ LEVEL.* Marciano is *B-LEVEL* for his *weak competition* and *lack of points.* *(I'll ad a comment below thoroughly explaining Walcott's C-LEVEL resume in detail).* Archie Moore - 186 wins 23 losses with a-low-power 60% KOs *A-LEVEL* at light heavyweight and *C-LEVEL* at Heavyweight. Moore accumulated *156 points* at light heavyweight and only *21* at Heavyweight. Moore misses his *A+ LEVEL* at Light heavyweight because *(23)* losses is *too many.* Ali only had *5,* Louis only had *3,* Lennox only had *2,* Wladimir only had *5,* Liston only had *4,* Vitali only had *2,* Bowe only had *1* etc. *BUT BUT Moore had 220 Fights!!!* Well little Rocky only had *49* so *stop whining.* Ezzard Charles - 95 wins 25 losses with the lowest ever 42% KOs *A-LEVEL* at light heavyweight and *B-minus LEVEL* at Heavyweight. Charles only compiled *24 points* at light heavyweight and *59 points* at Heavyweight. *Too many losses* Fight *4* fights lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1.* Y'all act as if *(25)* losses are *Meaningless.* If Fury or Usyk has only *(1)* loss they'd be thrown under the bus for eternity just like undisputed undefeated light heavyweight champion Michael Spinks was. --- *ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano @**35:01** Bert Sugar said, "His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* *People forget when they talk about the fights between Marciano and Ezzard Charles that Charles was showing symptoms of ALS. William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 - before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS, (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.* *In summary:* Ray Arcel who loved Ezzard like a son, said, *"Charles had traces of ALS in 51."* Ezzard's own family members said, *"they noticed signs of ALS in 51."* Ezzard Charles (himself) said he, *"felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 51."* *Trying to deny the fact that Charles had weakness in his limbs (ALS) against Marciano in 1954 is not possible because the eye test does not lie. It happened and is well documented so it can never be swept under the carpet. That horrible Motor neurone gene presented itself in 1951 if not earlier. Ezzard Charles was only 53 when he passed - Rest easy champ.*

[@blackDavidFrost-n-DesMoines]

Maybe little white Rocky could have beaten that circus clown Jess Willard who was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. Or maybe he could have even beat that other circus clown Primo Carnera who was daily alcoholic (like Andre the Giant) and 100% mafioso controlled. The ‘ambling alp’ was an awful boxer with gigantism or acromegaly (like Andre the Giant). He was promoted as a monster because of his size, but he was really clumsy and couldn`t punch with his full weight, he was completely exposed by Joe Louis who easily battered Primo into submission.

[@blackDavidFrost-n-DesMoines]

Great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS, who was like fodder fed to a pitbull, kinda like when they fed Larry Holmes to an angry Mike Tyson, or allowed Ali to be served up to Holmes.

[@blackDavidFrost-n-DesMoines]

After little white Rocky abruptly 'Quit' boxing during his 'Prime' he immediately abandoned his family to sleep with thousands, then left them penniless. What a soab - Classy guy though.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Rocky Marciano was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Marciano biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67 inches (1.70 meters)--incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison, today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7 inch reach, longer than Rocky's. There is no question that Marciano was superbly conditioned by the standards of the day; however, at his fighting weight of 184-189lbs (roughly 83-86kg) during his title defences, he was not incredibly lean and he wasn't dehydrated; he was, in other words, a natural light heavyweight or very small cruiserweight by today's standards. "Walking around weight" isn't a useful metric for determining a boxer's ideal weight division or in-the-ring weight unless one knows--at the very least--the boxer's bodyfat percentage at his "walking around weight". Some boxers stay lean between fights, others get quite fat. Marciano always stayed lean. For 7 years his average weight was 184lbs. In other words Marciano never was nor could ever be a natural 200+lb Heavyweight.

[@gregpettis1113]

Fighters couldn't be dehydrated in those days. Because they weighed in the day of the fight. Maybe a little dehydrated if done early in the morning. Rocky walked around 230 . He loved to eat spaghetti. Than for 8 weeks he would eat nothing but cabbage soup and run 10 miles a day.

[@Corina_June_Cunningham]

​@@gregpettis1113 LOL that's hilarious. If Marciano walked around at 230 pounds then Mike Tyson walked around at 300 pounds. And King Fury walks around at 500 pounds. Not only are you clueless about boxing but casual as well.

[@gregpettis1113]

@@Corina_June_Cunningham Marciano got fat when he wasn't in training

[@Corina_June_Cunningham]

@@gregpettis1113 Not for 7 years during training. His average weight was 184lbs for 7 years. Concession accepted.

[@gildomagas2543]

​@@Corina_June_Cunningham ni

[@GamerzDailyFix]

2 legend boxers. RIP..

[@kevinkilduff2064]

Never a more devastating single punch in boxing history. It was perfect.

[@jaybirdjaybird9410]

Ray Mancini said it was textbook… Like his glove barely left his chest… Short accurate… Right on the button

[@MaximusWolfe]

It could have sunk an aircraft carrier. Imagine being on the other end of it. A dark specter.

[@michaelwoodward1023]

@@MaximusWolfe Rocky was very appropriate at the post fight press conference,he was a true champion,word

[@user-wu4rt2gi2n]

"In the ring, i never really knew fear." - Rocky Marciano. That power from Walcott. Great fight. Legends both..

[@alannguyen4722]

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[@Stout_Krout_HinesburgVT6337]

Southpaw Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over a comfortable 222 lb Usyk who is 6' 3" with 78" reach. Holyfield was 6' 2.5" 218 lbs with 78" reach. Michael Spinks was 6' 2.5" 208 lbs with 76" reach. Prime Clay/Ali was 6' 2.5" (passport) 212 lbs with 78" reach. And of course we mustn't forget 5'10" 185 lb Marciano with his extraordinarily shortest-ever 67" flyweight reach. Shocking isn't it. Those other small guys weren't so small after all. They already had the natural height and reach so they were able to assimilate into the Heavyweight division with few problems. On the other hand little 185 lb Marciano had some serious dwarfism problems going on with his reach. Simply put Marciano's bone structure was too short to assimilate effectively.

[@johnlewis3038]

The amount of punishment they took was incredible, especially Rocky.

[@georgevincent1834]

This fight just makes my respect for Jersey Joe grow even more. He was slicker than oil, could punch like a sledgehammer, especially with the hook, he knew every trick in the book, and in this fight looked almost ready to defend his title to the death if need be.

[@spinningbackspin]

Jersey Joe was way underrated, in my opinion. One helluva fighter, grew up in tough times. In my personal Hall of Fame.

[@2vintage68]

ATG.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Little 184 lb cruiser Rocky with 67" flyweight reach was a great champ in his own era and a credit to the sport of boxing, however he boxed in a weak post war drained era where boxers from yesteryear ruled the roost, Rocky, in fact never beat one 200+lbs, prime, genuine Heavyweight and struggled badly with some of the old opposition that he did beat. *Since then there's been many, many other topnotch genuine 220 to 300+lbs Heavyweights similar to:* Miller - 333 lbs Zhang - 287 Joyce - 280 Fury - 277 Ngannou - 272 Makhmudov - 260 Briggs - 265 Ruiz - 265 Grant - 265 Foreman - 260 Lennox - 250 Ibeabuchi - 245 Vitali - 250 Peter - 250 Wladimir - 245 Parker - 250 Bowe - 245 Anderson - 245 Hrgovic - 245 Sanchez - 245 Whyte - 250 Joshua - 250 Ruddock - 245 Ortiz - 240 Witherspoon - 235 Tua - 235 Dokes - 235 Bruno - 230 Liston - 220 Tyson - 220 Thomas - 225 Morrison - 230 Cooney - 230 Wilder - 230 Lyle - 220 Usyk - 222 Holmes - 218 Ali - 218 *Marciano - 184*

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Zhang weighs 287. Fury 277. Ngannou 272. Makhmudov 260. Briggs 265. Ruiz 265. Grant 265. Foreman 260. Lennox 250. Vitali 250. Peter 250. Joshua 250. *Marciano 184 with 67" flyweight reach.* The average Heavyweight today weighs 250 with 80" albatross reach! *I know, i know Rocky fans still believe he could beat every Heavyweight that ever existed bcz he was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , bcz when he walked the earth shook.* Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky Marciano's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67" (1.70 meters) incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison, today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7". And all the PEDs in the world ain't gonna help little dwarfism-arms grow longer. *I'm not being disrespectful, only realistic. Rocky was fantastic against light heavyweights but it would have been entirely different against topnotch Super Heavyweights.* Important. Willard/Carnera were also big but circus clowns! Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

I quite enjoyed the 100 Greatest Heavyweight series, and it got me thinking about how nice a boost *"Time"* tends to give to a fighters ranking. 1962: In December 1962, a Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts had Jack Dempsey rated the #1 Heavyweight of all-time, with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano 7th. 1971: In 1971, Nat Fleischer, boxing's most famous historian and also editor and founder of Ring magazine , named Marciano as the all-time 10th greatest Heavyweight champion. 1998: Despite the intervening years producing the likes of Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Klitschko's et al.," in 1998, Ring magazine named Marciano as the 6th greatest Heavyweight champion ever. 2005: We float around to 2005, and in 2005, Marciano was named the 5th greatest Heavyweight of all-time by the International Boxing Research Organization. 2007: In 2007, Marciano was named the 4th greatest Heavyweight of all-time by ESPN behind (in order) Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, and Jack Dempsey. 2023: We skip to the modern day, and somehow he's been bumped up to 3rd. Will he one day be greater than Ali??? It's easy to see little Rocky's progression. The key is understanding *why?* Despite his perfect record against the weakest 'Heavyweight' division of all-time, Marciano was never close to being rated towards the top throughout the 60s. So why did he climb from *10th* in 71, *6th* in 98, to *4th* in 07? Becus the greatest boxing historian whoever lived and founder of The Ring Mr. Boxing himself Nat Fleischer died in 72. They all started passing away including Rocky in 69. That's when his fame really started to grow. Don't get me wrong, little Rocky was extremely famous to Italians throughout the upper east coast but that was about it. *After his death is when all the sympathy articles begin to appear. Then it just grew and grew to the point where he could walk on water and beat every Super Heavyweight champion with ease. Little Rocky was so awesome that Don Turner said, "Marciano could KO both Klitschko brothers at the same time in the first round."* *Little Marciano was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , because when he walked the earth shook.*

[@johnsononey]

Are you okay with all these post ? lol

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

@@johnsononey perfectly fine.. thanks for asking lol

[@torvilasulvstle362]

You got a good point there.

[@geraldseckeler27]

The man never lost. Enough said.

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

@@geraldseckeler27 Never lost against who??? Middleweights and Light heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights. Are you proud of that???

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

[[[[[ 🏋️""SIZE-MATTERS""🏋️ ]]]]] NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING HAS A 190 LB MAN BEAT AN ELITE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION

[@michaelmettry6120]

Jack Dempsey defeated Jess Willard.

[@Corina_June_Cunningham]

​@@michaelmettry6120 Jess Willard was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. He wasn't even close to being elite. Jess was clumsy and terrible boxer.

[@michaelmettry6120]

@@Corina_June_Cunningham Jess Willard was the heavyweight champion. Joe Louis defeated Primo Carnera and Buddy Baer who were large heavyweight boxers. The sport is boxing not weight lifting or USA football.

[@Corina_June_Cunningham]

@@michaelmettry6120 Jess Willard was only champion bcz Jack Johnson took a dive. Primo was daily alcoholic and 100% controlled.

[@Corina_June_Cunningham]

@@michaelmettry6120 little Marciano is NOT going to beat a prime Lennox Lewis or Vitali Klitschko or Ike Ibeabuchi etcetera

[@hammeringhank5271]

Incredible fight. Everyone remembers the KO at the ending, but I (having to seen it in a few years) forgot what an incredible brawl it was before the 13th. New respect for both men. Two of my favorite heavys. Anyway I scored it 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 11, and 12 for Walcott Marciano won 3, 5, 9, and 10. He definitely needed that KO to win.

[@wesleypresley1000]

Respect.

[@IloveJimiHendrix2009]

How did you score round 6? I gave 6 to Marciano.

[@robertwilkinson5971]

Well there were 3 more rds to go so who knows what the cards would said aside what a fight guts and glory...and to think the gloves were a hellva thinner than today's gloves. Rocky took a beating but gave as good as he got

[@warriordragonify]

@@robertwilkinson5971 As I understand it, gloves are to protect hands, not heads. Maybe in totality more padding allows more hard punches to be thrown? And it looks like Rocky gave slightly better than he got...

[@wilfredocortez8327]

no matter how many rounds he got the KO failed walcott!!

[@johnafflitto7628]

One thing that helped Marciano a lot was his excellent conditioning. The opponent was not going to win by tiring him out.

[@denniseagleberger9824]

His age

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

Marciano began 1949 with four consecutive knockouts. Then circumstances changed. The International Boxing Club was the dominant promotional power in boxing. It controlled the sport at Madison Square Garden and other major arenas. It had contracts for regularly-scheduled fights on the emerging medium of television. And it had links to organized crime; most notably through Frankie Carbo. “Carbo,” Russell Sullivan explains, “established a well-organized centralized system of control over boxing. The system featured scores of managers who operated as front men for Carbo. Once a promising fighter arrived on the scene, one of Carbo’s managers would muscle in on his ownership. If a fighter or manager refused to play ball, he would be frozen out of quality fights; if he were lucky. Fear and violence were the linchpins of Carbo’s system and the bedrock of his power. Directly or indirectly, he controlled scores of judges, officials, managers, promoters, and fighters. His power became such that no big match was made or title awarded without his acquiescence.” Teddy Brenner, who worked for Al Weill in the late-1940s and subsequently became president of Madison Square Garden Boxing, later acknowledged, “Carbo had his fingers on the throat of boxing. If he did not own a certain fighter, he owned the manager. Weill was a boxing politician who held hands with the mob. When Weill was Marciano’s manager, he was controlled by Carbo.” In May 1949, Weill became the matchmaker for the International Boxing Club. That meant Marciano could fight against carefully chosen opponents when and where Weill wanted. It also meant that, technically, Weill could no longer manage Marciano, since many state athletic commissions had a conflict-of-interest rule that precluded a matchmaker from managing a fighter. Hence, Weill’s stepson, Marty Weill (who had a job-lot commission business in Ohio and knew next-to-nothing about boxing) became Marciano’s manager of record. Marciano wasn’t the first fighter to be moved by people of influence. Nor will he be the last. But as 1949 progressed, there was the smell of something more. On October 10th, the Brockton Blockbuster stepped into the ring in Providence to fight a journeyman named Ted Lowry. Marciano was 20-and-0 with 19 knockouts. In 115 fights, Lowry had been stopped only once. But his record was 58 wins against 48 losses with 9 draws, and he’d lost seven fights in a row. Lowry hurt Marciano badly in the first, second, and fourth rounds. Each time, he let Marciano off the hook. Many observers including the referee (who warned Lowry for non-aggression late in the fight) thought that he could have done more to win. Even then, the overwhelming majority of people who saw the fight thought that Lowry was the better man over the course of ten rounds. The judges ruled otherwise. On March 24, 1950, he returned to Madison Square Garden to face New Yorker, Roland LaStarza. LaStarza was undefeated in 37 bouts. It was Marciano’s first “big fight” and his inaugural appearance on television. After ten rounds, the visitor from Brockton was awarded a ten-round split decision. Afterward, Jesse Abramson of the New York Herald Tribune wrote, “It was a gift, universally condemned around ringside as a miscarriage of justice."

[@bobbyd1478]

The International Boxing Club Of New York was the dominant promotional power in boxing. It controlled the sport at Madison Square Garden and other major arenas. It had contracts for regularly-scheduled fights on the emerging medium of television. And it had links to organized crime; most notably through Frankie Carbo. “Carbo,” Russell Sullivan explains, “established a well-organized centralized system of control over boxing. The system featured scores of managers who operated as front men for Carbo. Once a promising fighter arrived on the scene, one of Carbo’s managers would muscle in on his ownership. Fear and violence were the linchpins of Carbo’s system and the bedrock of his power. Directly or indirectly, he controlled scores of judges, officials, managers, promoters, and fighters. His power became such that no big match was made or title awarded without his acquiescence.”

[@2011Lakeshow]

Marciano didn’t beat an old man. He eat a great fighter during an excellent stretch in his in career. Joe Walcott is an all time great and did some of his best boxing at the end of his career.

[@everettwilson1416]

But he was old, just like the other fighters he fought.

[@everettwilson1416]

The Rock fought who was in font of him but his defenses were against older past their prime fighters.

[@rrizo6846]

I'm 52 now , looking back when i was in my 30s I was still in my prime

[@daveufirst]

38 is only old to lazy, fat, chain-smoking slobs.

[@spirgtudsrubec7776]

@@rrizo6846 everybody is past their prime in their thirties, though they may think they're not.

[@Aikidobear129]

I have a feeling that right hand that took Joe down would have killed an average man. I'm a big Marciano fan but became a bit annoyed when the announcer constantly mentioned Joe's age. They both took one hell of a beating that night!

[@kevlarunderwear22]

howard Cosell would have done a much better job

[@elec174]

The announcer did that in most of Marciano's fights,probably to demean rocky's ability.

[@jasongrey9968]

That last right didn't connect Walcott took a drive.

[@teddmented]

kevlarunderwear22 Cosell would have talked about the evils of boxing for 14 rounds. How fun is that?

[@SeanRosati]

johnny brize Probablh because it was true and its an important factor in the “story” of a fight.

[@bobbyd1478]

"Fighters admit diving to earn big pay outs" The Boston Herald 1958 by Nick Rippington said at least 40 professional contests had been fixed or tainted with fraud in the past 7 years. The admissions came in sworn statements and interviews The Herald did with more than 60 fighters, promoters, trainers, managers, matchmakers and commissioners. Some of the boxers negotiated payments to throw matches, while others took a dive merely to avoid injury and pick up an easy paycheque. A former heavyweight said he made hundreds and even thousands of dollars faking 14 knockouts from 1949 to 1957. Others claimed many fraudulent matches were arranged by promoters or matchmakers intent on improving a fighter's record and ranking to earn big money title fights.

[@conservativemike3768]

Who doesn’t love the name “Jersey Joe?” He was way ahead, but seemed mentally exhausted near the end with Rocky being so relentless.

[@Elite59]

He was old for a fighter. He may have beat Rocky, if they had fought 5 or 6 years earlier.

[@Lucille69caddy]

@@Elite59He was CHAMP. Anything to denounce the Rock.

[@jasonkessler6841]

I am glad things like this will be archived hopefully someday. Along with the fight you get to see a young George Benton and not so young ,but not old Jimmy Bivins, Sugar Ray Robinson with the other fighters, good stuff. Thank You.

[@bobbyd1478]

James D. Norris, one of the wealthiest and most powerful men in America, with the help of 'Blinky' Palermo and Frankie Carbo (two of New York’s most notorious Italian mobsters) created The International Boxing Club Of New York (IBC) to control boxing and everybody involved.

[@bobbyd1478]

Absolutelyyyy Rocky had heart. Just as Joe Frazier was all heart. But look what Big George did to Frazier's heart, bounced it up and down off the canvas like a basket🏀ball. Little Hearts can only take you so far in the land of Bigger Hearts.

[@blackDavidFrost-Rockyhater]

Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again

[@blankblank1257]

yeah but joe got up everytime. imagine if they didnt stop it. george would gas and get koed

[@grosskopf2779]

@@blankblank1257 Joe was knocked down 6 times, the last in which he was lifted off the floor. If the fight wasn't stopped Joe would have gotten killed.

[@JT-il3fe]

We just watched two of the best fighters in the world! And one Rocky Marciano the number one pound for pound undisputed undefeated champion of the world! Undefeated till this day undefeated forever. No question or arguing Rocky Marciano goes down as the best to ever lace up the gloves. 👑 🥊🥊

[@studentofsweetscience6922]

Little Marciano will always be my favorite fighter but I'm a realist that understands his limitations. The several ATG fighters that Rocky did face were all light heavyweights that simply moved up for the money because the division was completely void of any quality authentic 200+ lb Heavyweights. Name me ONE quality Heavyweight Rocky fought?

[@oakenbeard8884]

One of the best ever, for sure

[@aarondigby9859]

ROCKY ONLY HAD SIX TITLE DEFENSES,...GTFOH...

[@oakenbeard8884]

@@aarondigby9859 I think it should go by losses. Ali lost 5 fights. Lost the title. Rocky never lost. He's the greatest of all time.

[@viperaputakeyteaparyou8237]

Yeah it's a pretty safe bet he'll remain undefeated forever

[@jdw5889]

Announcers haven't always been afraid of dead air, it's refreshing. Being able to watch a fight without constant talking about non fight related topics, or someone trying to tell you what you're seeing. I like that it gives ex boxers jobs and they can occasionally be insightful but if there were a button to push and all I could hear was the crowd and the fighters, I would push it.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

"Marciano was never among the top boxers of all time in terms of skill, speed, or power, but he knew how to use the skills he had developed and his fans recognized his grit." Skehan, Everett M. Rocky Marciano: The Biography of a First Son. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1977

[@diaz-juan-cablo-paolo-loui1460]

Rocky Marciano was a freaking BEAST !!

[@tonyrossas5979]

Rocky Marciano was Champion of the World and in his career never lost one fight.

[@qaz-fi1id]

The toughness and endurance of these fighters were just on another level, lot of phone booth boxing, unafraid and nonstop.

[@bobbyd1478]

Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

It's interesting how people who experienced watching him in real time don't hold him in the same high regard as folks later on in spite the multitude of great fighters who came on the scene after he quit (Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Lewis, Vitali, Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson, Wladimir, Ibeabuchi, Frazier, etc). All the professionals, managers, trainers, boxing writers and historians in the 50s, 60s and 70s only rated Rocky #7, #8, #9 and #10 Heavyweight, all-time. Funny how his status rises as fewer people remain who actually covered him when he fought. There's a lot of mythology with Marciano and a lot of selective memory about his career. He was brilliantly managed to preserve his undefeated record.

[@michaelmettry6120]

Rocky Marciano's record was 49-0, 43 KO's. Therefore, he should be at the top of heavyweight champions.

[@rebeccapeacock1310]

Nothing has really changed really. His contemporaries thought he looked beatable because of his unorthodox boxing style and size-that was, until they got in the ring with him and couldn’t beat him! Even today, he remains underrated for the exact same reasons he was underrated when he fought.

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

@@rebeccapeacock1310 "Consider that in Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8, "Mr. Boxing, himself," Nat Fleischer rated him at # 10 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (survey of a group of historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Marciano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired." -- By Monte D. Cox, 2004 *SO HOW EXACTLY DOES A SMALL CRUISERWEIGHT WITH DWARFISM ARMS GO FROM 7TH 8TH 9TH 10th PLACE DURING THE 60s & 70s TO TOP ((3)) IN 2023???* *Bcz his ranking is now determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation.* That's why little 165-lb Heavyweight champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of 245-lb Riddick Bowe who only lost 'one' time! Somehow ranking bodies manage to *exclude WEIGHT from their metric* even though they still *ACKNOWLEDGE ((17)) DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES,,* imagine that. The computer only sees what it's programmed to see. Algorithms only see Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0. It does not see LH Charles was ring worn and factually had ALS. It does not see Moore was 41yrs old and was a light heavyweight moonlighting at Heavyweight. The algorithms does not see 37yr old Joe Louis was forced out of retirement and his once speedy reflexes had vanished. Nor can the computer see 39yr old Walcott also came out of retirement and was given ((6)) attempts at the title bcz the division was so weak! *THIS IS EXACTLY WHY RANKINGS SHOULD ALWAYS BE LOOKED UPON WITH A GRAIN OF SALT!!!*

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

@@rebeccapeacock1310 Ring Magazine polled 40 boxing experts on who was the greatest Heavyweight of all-time in 1962. These are historians who were actually there when he reigned as champion and Marciano's highest ranking was 7th place. The overwhelming majority rated him lower like Nat Fleischer had him at # 10, Charley Rose and McCallum's survey of old-timers rated him at # 9. All these people were born in the late 1800s and passed away in the 1960s and 70s. Little 184lb Marciano is regarded by many as the greatest Heavyweight ever, best of the best. The question is how does he stack up with the Mount Rushmore of Heavyweights?? I don't see how his status remotely moves up with the multitude of great Heavyweights that came after him. All the professionals, trainers, managers, experts and historians who actually saw Rocky Marciano fight during the 50s and 60s thoroughly examined his career yet they barely ranked him top-10 Heavyweight, of all-time. *I trust Nat's opinion before y'all's gibberish casual diatribe.* Genius Nat Fleischer (1887-1972) was the founder, president, publisher and editor of The Ring, a monthly magazine devoted to boxing and professional wrestling. Fleischer is called Mr. Boxing, or in the cant of masters of ceremony, "Mr. Boxing, himself," an introduction uniting man and legend. Fleischer’s story in many ways is the story of boxing. His experience is unlike that of anyone else from boxing’s past and certainly no one will ever be able to make his claims in the future. In 1958 Fleischer wrote, “I have been on intimate terms with every heavyweight champion since James J. Corbett. I have seen almost every heavyweight championship bout in the past half century, and most of those in other divisions that reach across a stretch of many exciting years.” Fleischer in fact saw every heavyweight champion from Jim Jeffries and Jack Johnson to Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier from ringside, most of those from the first row. Possibly no one else in history can make that claim. Fleischer’s unique perspective demands respect from those who are interested in the history of boxing. Nat tended to just report the fights as he saw it from ringside and did not editorialize too much. Nat was well known for his ability to break down and describe the styles of fighters and the action that took place in the ring. Here are some descriptions of fighters there is film on so we can compare what Nat said of them to what we know from the films. We can then know that what he said about fighters whom we have little film on is also accurate. Of Joe Louis he penned, in the April 1939 Ring, “He sails in, crashes his blows to the body and head, gives the opposition little chance to get set for a counter-attack and wards off blows with the cleverness of a Jack Johnson. Only Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey compare to Joe Louis of today in all around ability...No human body can take the punishment that Jolting Joe dishes out once he goes after his prey. That has been proved conclusively in his last few contests.” In the Mar. 1942 Ring, after Louis' destruction of the 6'6" 250 pound Buddy Baer, Nat Said that “Not even in the second fight with Max Schmeling did the Detroit Destroyer show as much as he did against Buddy. Joe had everything. He was magnificent. He was a whirlwind on attack, a master of defense, a terror with his devastating punches.” In evaluating Rocky Marciano he wrote December 1955 Ring, “Those who believe that he lacks the necessary qualifications for gaining a niche in the fistic hall of fame as one of the greatest heavyweights of all time won’t argue that as a puncher, he takes his place alongside such greats as Jeffries, Louis and Dempsey. They limit his qualifications for greatness to the category of “hitting power”, strength and durability all of which Rocky possesses to a high degree but which are *insufficient to gain for him a place among the greats of the past.”* “Despite his crudeness, he can move about the ring at a pretty fast gate and can toss more punches than any heavyweight of recent years. But misses more frequently than any champion I’ve ever seen.” *“He has faced very few real punchers during his career.* The two best, Walcott and Moore- both thirty-eight at the time-had Rocky on the canvas. *Joe Louis is not included* since when he met Rocky, the Brown Bomber had long since lost his once devastating punch.” Besides putting out the highly regarded Ring-Fleischer has published Nat Fleischer's Ring Record Book and Boxing Encyclopedia.The Ring Record Book is the most comprehensive of all annual reference sources on boxing. Mainly in the interests of boxing, Fleischer has made 37 trips to Europe and has gone around the world six times, furiously writing all the while. He has 20 passports. Discounting entertainers, Fleischer is the most widely known U.S. private citizen abroad. He is enshrined in the Helms Hall of Fame in Los Angeles. Fleischer has refereed and judged more than 1,000 fights. All told, Fleischer has published 57 books of history, biography and instruction on boxing. Fleischer has a 268,800-word "bibliography" of boxing. Counting his articles for The Ring and serials and pieces he dashes off in an hour or so for foreign publications, it has been estimated that Fleischer has written 40 million words in his lifetime.

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

@@rebeccapeacock1310 Marciano's opponents: *We see their entire-CAREER record, not a partial record.* Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades *A, B, C, D, and F,* which has been used for decades: Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good *B-LEVEL* resume. Problem is *he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents Walcott-Charles-Moore-Layne-LaStarza lost (94) times and were KO'd (28) times!!!* (( In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine )) (( Promoters looking for a way to get their prizefighters a big payday will first invest thousands of dollars in padding his numbers by putting him up against “opponents”-guys with truly horrendous records. A guy who’s undefeated at 37-0, for example, might not be any better than a more seasoned boxer with a lousy record -- by Daniel Enberg | BoxRec )) *Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat?? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano??*

[@seranadesongs]

I was 2 weeks old when that fight took place. Now I'm almost 70!

[@humblebeginnings8328]

That power from Walcott. Great fight. Legends both.

[@heyheyhoho6986]

Um, he was knocked out. So his alleged power was irrelevant.

[@humblebeginnings8328]

@@heyheyhoho6986 just like you.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Every champ fights their fare share of tomato cans. But nobody, and i mean nobody, fought as many F-LEVEL tomato can bums as Marciano did. It's no joke, do the research. Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?

[@davidwebster7918]

I was only 4&1/2yrs. old at the time . I just happened to live across the street from "Jersey Joe' " mother. Finally have seen him in action at now 75 yrs. old.

[@RJFPme]

They put Rocky as the favorite to get Joe Walcotts goat. They knew it would piss him off and he’d fight much harder in my opinion. How Rocky withstood his onslaughts is a remarkable testament to his physical conditioning and shear iron will to keep fighting !

[@gailrussellbiography9668]

This bout had everything a boxing fan could ask for !

[@logicalnetwork1611]

Thank you for uploading this video. Im a massive boxing fan and really enjoyed this boxing match.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Sonny had an-albatross 84 inch reach. Rocky had a-stubby 67 inch reach. A 17 inch reach advantage is a tall order to overcome, but when the man with the reach advantage is the most fearsome puncher in history it’s insurmountable. Marciano’s style was tailor made for Liston. Rocky would get knocked into tomorrow before he could get close enough to land any damaging shots of his own. Liston’s power and reach would have been too much for the plodding face first style of Marciano. Foreman probably the most formidable puncher in boxing history said that Liston is the only man he ever faced that made him back up and revert to boxing. Watch the footage of Foreman destroying Frazier twice and Liston destroying Patterson twice. That’s exactly what would happen to little Marciano.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

George said in an interview with Ring Magazine: “Sparring with Liston is the most dangerous thing that I ever did in my entire life. No matter what I tried against him, it was me who had to revert back to boxing. Nobody made me box like Sonny Liston did and that happened every time we worked together. He taught me many things, including the importance of the jab.” A good example of Sonny's sheer strength was an exercise he devised in training camp of loading an industrial sized wheelbarrow full of rocks, and wheeling it up and down a hill. Foreman, 19, and training with "the old man," could only carry one wheelbarrow for every 3 for Sonny: “His strength," said Foreman, "you just can't believe how strong he was!"

[@johncooper9963]

What has this got to do with this fight 😳 🤔 😐 what a twat

[@johnnyquest6115]

Marciano is the Ferrari of boxing, the guy knew how to engineered a win!

[@Noah-pc6wq]

This was Jersey Joe's finest moment. Faced with the strongest bruiser the heavyweight division's seen in years, what does he do? Stand, trade and just straight up fight. Being champion of the world just makes you want to prove that you deserve the title. Jersey Joe, Arnold Cream really deserved to be champion, even if it was only a short reign.

[@shawnm4189]

Jersey Joe beat Joe Louis in their first fight according to virtually everyone but the judges. The reason Walcott got KO'ed by Louis in their second fight is in part because of how the scoring went in their first fight. He was not so sure the judges would not screw him over again though he was ahead in scoring going into that fateful eleventh round.

[@Stout_Krout_HinesburgVT6337]

Unbeaten is the story of an immigrant son who chased the American dream in the middle of the 20th Century. Marciano’s story unfolds in the back alleys of New England and the musty gyms of New York in the years after World War 2. Rocky moved through a romantic era of guys and dolls, hustlers and gamblers, crusty trainers and sleazy managers, glamorous celebrities and notorious mobsters. What I knew about Marciano before I read the book Unbeaten was that he cowardly retired during his prime right before he would have had to fight the lik' of Patterson, Liston, and Clay to name just a few. I did not know about his conduct during World War 2 that got him locked up in jail for 2 years. I did not know of the mob's influence in his career. Nor did i realize that his list of opponents while he was champion were of dubious quality. Joe Louis was far beyond his prime. Journeyman Joe Walcott was 38/39 years old. Former middleweight turned light heavyweight grandfather Archie Moore was 41 and Ezzard Charles best years were behind him at light heavyweight. For the last decade of his life Marciano wandered America, disillusioned, untrusting, hiding his money, cheating on his wife, consorting with the mobsters and loansharking. He hung around with Frank Sinatra and a number of "made guys." Rocky was not a good businessperson and was lousy with investing and saving money. He left his family penniless. Again his boxing record is offset by the low level of his opponents. He died relatively young in a plane crash due to his complete disregard of intentionally flying during horrible weather conditions inorder to collect money.

[@EdgarReeves]

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[@johncerminaro1067]

Wow! Both such terrific heavyweights! Walcott had already KO'd both Joe Louis & Ezzard Charles, eventually losing this one to Marciano...Rd. 13 (at 56: 33), Rocky throws the hardest shot ever seen (before or since!) to become the new champ... Bravo! Arguably the greatest heavyweight title fight ever filmed. Thanks for posting it! Addio e buona fortuna, cari amici... JC & fam.

[@TheBatugan77]

Walcott never KO'd Joe Louis.

[@wandalandowska3237]

Sorry, John. Walcott never KO'd Joe Louis.

[@danielmorehouse9116]

The knockout punch wasn't even the hardest Marcino threw in that fight, let alone 'the hardest shot ever seen'.

[@stevenashe8900]

To me, this fight proved that Marciano was among the great heavyweights below 210 and was his most impressive performance.

[@artisaprimus6306]

The best ever, Rocky Marciano. 49-0 unmatched in the heavyweight division. I find myself continually defending him against comparison to modern day fighters. Modern day athletes are bigger, stronger, and enjoy better training, nutrition, health care, financial support and more. Rocky's accomplishments should always be measured against his peers during his era.

[@sergegregoire5004]

Arrêtez, Marciano ne tiendra pas 3 rounds devant Georges Foreman.

[@artisaprimus6306]

@@sergegregoire5004 Everyone wants to time travel Rocky to fight some modern fighter. He fought in the fifties against his contemporaries. The average heavyweight fighter was 198 pounds. The average NFL offensive lineman was 235 pounds in the fifties.You can't compare athletes across generations. I don't understand why people just can't appreciate the man for what he accomplished.

[@bdcarroll415]

​@artisaprimus6306 Marciano was a great fighter, but let's be honest. There have been many, great fighters Well, before Marciano's time.?

[@artisaprimus6306]

@@bdcarroll415 Of course, Rocky is just one of many.

[@bdcarroll415]

@artisaprimus6306 Yes, believe me, and there are many that boxing fans will never know or hear of..?

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Hall of Fame Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston was a muscular 6′2″ powerhouse weighing 220 lbs of pure brick. He had iron in either fist and could put an opponent on the mat quickly with either. Sonny was the most ducked fighter of all time. Even Joe Frazier’s team refused to fight him. Liston in his prime was the real deal. He was a great fighter.

[@gregpettis1113]

He was barely 6 1. Sonny sure had a long career. First fight was in 1953 when Marciano was champ. People think liston disappeared after the Ali loss. But he won nine fights in a row afterwards before his shocking loss to leotis Martin

[@richardarena5281]

Deontay Wilder or Tyson Fury would destroy Rocky within 3 rounds...Stop playing..

[@kufujitsu]

Hypnotic fight. Marciano in the great tradition of walk-up fighters willing to fight through a mask of blood to stop their opponent - Marvin Hagler vs Thomas Hearns, & Artur Beterbeiv vs Marcus Browne, are 2 other examples. Walcott probably got drawn in to fighting Marciano's fight, when he should have moved laterally - Walcott fought out of character during the first half of the fight, & it seemed like Walcott didn't think much of Marciano's ability, until the pace of the fight started catching up with Walcott...

[@risboturbide9396]

Thank you for sharing this bout! Walcott will have a rematch vs Rocky, losing it in less than 3 minutes then retire.

[@williamlegare8751]

After watching this about 3 times,I am really impressed with Marciano's ability to take punishment and keep the pressure on Wolcott.

[@1963Austria]

Marciano had a deadly punch and could take the same, just imagine if he had been a little more muscular, heavier.......Rocky was not controlled by politics....Today, he would never have perservered........admin would have made sure to that.

[@peterwall583]

Rocky would never give up! He kept punching and punching and punching

[@markbahouth2713]

⁠@@peterwall583 the movie Raging Bull could of featured Rocky Marciano and not Jake Lamotta . Rocky couldn't dance but he had a powerful devastating punch . my favorite boxer and a humble decent man .

[@ChuckCoulter7572]

This is awesome. Love Walcott and Marciano. Doesn't get better than this. Also Marciano vs Moore.

[@erinpetzel5234]

Why all these put downs of Jersey Joe? He might have been 38, but he was the heavyweight champion. How bad could he have been? Charles was the champion immediately before Joe, and Archie Moore was the light heavy champion. All the great champions fought their share of pasties, but they also fought the best in their weight class, and Rocky was no exception.

[@vincemedoro6313]

thomas buchanan I think jersey joe was a great boxer he should of beat rocky but rocky was tuff kepted coming it just takes that one perfect punch and rocky deliverd it that's boxing rocky became champ that night jersey joe was a tuff sob great boxer

[@j2oorange]

I agree, thats how boxing is the legends get old and new champions arise and make their name beating them. Then they become old legends and the cycle continues.

[@therubberbandman3008]

@@j2oorange Jersey joe was in tip top shape, very experienced and strong as a bull. Respect to both guys.

[@jamespuso1627]

Truth, Jersey Joe knocked him down in round one and bloodied his head up. Can't exactly say he was an unworthy opponent if he put up that kind of a fight.

[@oakenbeard8884]

People are ignorant. Jersey Joe, along with Ezzard Charles were two of the greatest heavyweights to ever step in the ring.

[@ralphstasilli4273]

Marciano was relentless!!!!

[@Jabbing_Jack]

There are few heavyweight champions in the history of boxing that are better known for their losses than their wins. Jersey Joe Walcott's high profile losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins. During his peak championship years, Walcott scored 7 wins with 5 KO's. Only one of those KO's came against a ranked fighter, that being Ezzard Charles. During this time Walcott also lost 7 times and suffered 10 count KO's 3 times and a 9 count once. In total fights during this time Walcott's record was 7-7. In title fights he went 2-6 with 1 KO win and 3 KO losses. He fought 3 different men in his 8 title fights, was defeated by each of them twice, KO'd by two of them and only defeated one of them. In his overall career, Walcott had a 49-20-1 record and was KO'd 6 times (BoxRec). Based on these less than impressive stats it is difficult to consider him anymore than a good Journeyman. Walcott scored 32 KO's in 70 fights. 8 of them came against fighters who were winless. The only two ranked fighters Walcott ever KO'd was an off the floor 10th round win over Curtis Sheppard and the lightning in the bottle KO of Ezzard Charles. Walcott is a prime example of boxing historians rating a fighter higher than he deserves based on impressive losses. Walcott was winless in all 4 of his fights vs Louis/Marciano and was KO'd 3 times. The fact that Walcott was granted 6 title attempts in a 6 year span speaks volumes about how weak the heavyweight division must have been at this time. Five of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss. Had Walcott been fighting in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's, there is no way he would have been granted this many opportunities after losing so many title attempts. Walcott should at best be remembered not as a great heavyweight champion, but a good C-level Journeyman. *If a fighter today had (20) losses and was KO'd (6) times he'd be considered F-level correct? Why is ok for old-school fighters but not modern fighters? Walcott Charles Moore have (68) losses and were KOd (20) times!!!

[@MrMarco855]

Your assessment of Walcott isn't exactly fair. I'll demonstrate how a one-sided view can distort reality and deny a man what he deserves. The first thing you didn't mention was that he didn't fight for 8 of his best years. He began in 1930, was off from 1931 to 1933, again from 1933 to 1935, then off again from 1940 to 1944. I assume he went into the military from 1940 to 1944, I don't know the reasons that he was off for 2 years each early in his career. None the less, in his early 20's he missed 4 years, then at about 27 to 32 years of age he also had a 4 1/2 period without a fight. When you take that into consideration it makes a difference in assessing his career. Take 8 of the best years from any fighter and see what you're left with. Despite missing 8 of his best years, Walcott still fought 70 times in his career. 36 of those, more than half, came when he returned to boxing in 1944 after a 4 1/2 year layoff. At age 33 he had to shake off the rust to see if he could return to previous form. You also said several things that aren't true. That has a way of making a difference as well. You claimed out of his 32 knockouts, 8 were against winless opponents. The truth is that he scored no knockouts over winless opponents. You said 8, the truth is zero. You said that he was given 5 title opportunities after a loss. He was given 4 title shots after a loss, and when you hear the details it's not as bad as you make it sound. He fought Joe Louis in his first title opportunity, lost by a disputed split decision. Most people thought he won, he knocked Louis down twice in the fight. A situation like that almost always warrants a rematch. The 2nd title opportunity therefore, was fully justified. When he fought Marciano, he was winning on all 3 cards in the 13th round. He was KO'd in the 13th. Because he knocked Marciano down and was winning on all 3 cards late in the fight, a rematch was warranted in that case as well. Most title opportunities he was given make perfect sense, if you check the facts. The rematch with Marciano was a fixed fight. Some might not agree, I guarantee it was fixed. Walcott never fought again, he was 39. Watch the rematch for yourself , see what you think. You also said that during his peak championship years he only scored 1 KO against a ranked fighter, Ezzard Charles. You made it sound as if these were his best years, not mentioning he was 37 to 39 during these years and at the very end of his career. You also didn't mention that he KO'd Charles, then a few months later beat him again by unanimous decision. At 37 he was the oldest HW champion ever, until Foreman beat his record decades later. He fought Ezzard Charles 3 times in a row in one year, beating him twice. Charles was 8 years younger and he was one of the best fighters in boxing history. Beating an all-time great like Charles at 37 and 38 years of age, when Charles was in his prime at 29 and 30, is a great accomplishment. No 'c' level journeyman ever stepped into the ring with Ezzard Charles, let alone beat him 2 out of 3 times when Charles was in his prime. Referring to Walcott as a 'c' level journeyman is not only disrespectful, but it's a ridiculous and erroneous claim to make. Give him those 8 years back and let him retire at 35 or 36, and you have a much different record and career legacy. The status and legacy are there anyway but you have to view his career honestly and thoroughly. When you take all things into consideration, including the truth, Jersey Joe Walcott was one of the 2 or 3 best Heavyweights of his time.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

@@MrMarco855 WALCOTT LOSSES: 1. In 1930 Walcott was DISQUALIFIED-(loss) vs. KO Palmer. Walcott intentionally hit 159-pound Palmer in the back of his neck while he was draped over the ropes. *Where is the Heavyweights? In 1930 Marciano was "SEVEN" years old. 2. In 1931 163-pound Walcott lost by decision to 158-pound Carl Mays. *Is this the Heavyweight division? Marciano was "EIGHT" years old. 3. In 1933 Walcott lost by decision to 177-pound Henry Taylor. *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "TEN" years old. 4. In 1936 Walcott was "KOd" by 191-pound Al Ettore. Marciano was "THIRTEEN" years old. 5. In 1936 Walcott lost by decision to 179-pound Billy Ketchell. *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "THIRTEEN" years old. 6. In 1937 Walcott was"KOd" by 178-pound Tiger Jack Fox. *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "FOURTEEN" years old. 7. In 1937 Walcott lost by decision to 174-pound George Brothers. *Where is the Heavyweight division? Marciano was "FOURTEEN" years old. 8. In 1938 Walcott lost by decision to 184-pound Tiger Jack Fox "Again". *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "FIFTEEN" years old. 9. In 1938 Walcott lost by decision to 197-pound Roy Lazer. Marciano was "FIFTEEN" years old. 10. In 1940 Walcott was "KOd" AND "retired" for three years by 256-pound Abe Simon. Hey, a-real Super Heavyweight. Simon's best stuff was size and brute strength. Unfortunately he was a poor boxer with terrible defense. Abe retired in 1942. Marciano was "SEVENTEEN" years old. 11. In 1945 Walcott lost by decision to 204-pound Johnny Allen who had more losses than wins. Marciano was "TWENTY TWO" years old. 12. In 1946 Walcott lost by decision to 179-pound Joey Maxim. *Is this the Heavyweight division? Marciano was "TWENTY THREE" years old. 13. In 1946 Walcott lost by decision to 191-pound Elmer Ray. Marciano was "TWENTY THREE" years old. 14. In 1947 Walcott lost by decision to 212-pound Joe Louis. Marciano was "TWENTY FOUR" years old. 15. In 1948 Walcott was KOd by 213-pound Joe Louis. Louis barely got through the C-level cruiserweight Journeyman Walcott so he announced his retirement on March 1, 1949 because his once speedy reflexes were non-existent. Louis was completely washed and it showed. Marciano was "TWENTY FIVE" years old. 16. In 1949 Walcott lost by decision to 181-pound Ezzard Charles. This fight was for the ""vacant"" Heavyweight title. *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "TWENTY SIX" years old. 17. In 1950 Walcott lost by decision to 192-pound Rex Layne. Marciano was "TWENTY SEVEN" years old. 18. In 1951 Walcott lost by decision to 185-pound Ezzard Charles. *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "TWENTY EIGHT" years old. 19. In 1952 Walcott was KOd by 184-pound Rocky Marciano. *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "TWENTY NINE" years old.. IT IS VIRTUALLY IMPRACTICAL THAT WALCOTT WAS IN HIS PRIME vs. MARCIANO BECAUSE IT IS SCIENTIFICALLY AND MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE!!!! AND JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY HE WAS PRIME DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE!!!! PUT WALCOTT AT (( 29 )) AND MARCIANO AT (( 38 )) WHAT HAPPENS?? 20. In 1953 Walcott was KOd by 184-pound Rocky Marciano. *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "THIRTY" years old and Walcott was very close to "FORTY"!!!! ( It was advantageous that Marciano started late because he was fresh while the others were already smashed around lik bowling pins for (15) years. Also little Rocky did have an extensive amateur career. His uncle hung a heavy bag in the back yard when he was only 10 years old, and he had years of daily sparing while he was in the military )

[@Corina_June_Cunningham]

​@@Jabbing_Jack Walcott was granted 6 title attempts, LOSING 5!!! COUNT THEM!!! are you forgetting Charles?

[@Corina_June_Cunningham]

​@@MrMarco855 Louis twice,, Charles twice,, Walcott twice

[@Corina_June_Cunningham]

​@@MrMarco855 And little "Light" heavyweight Charles Lost many times during his prime! Charles was COMPLETELY WASHED by the time he got to Marciano.

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

Soft spoken Lennox Lewis at his best was the total package. When he fought seriously he was pretty much untouchable. The last undisputed Super Heavyweight champion emerged as cream of the crop against some of the biggest punchers in Heavyweight history. Lewis avenged his only two defeats by knockout. He didn't make excuses for his only two losses, he said, "It's Heavyweights, you can get caught, but i won the rematches in style," and, "Show me a Heavyweight Champion without a loss and i'll show you a fighter that fought a lot of nobodies." 57 year old Lennox is the GOAT. To hear him talk so clearly and eloquently after going up against 18 Heavyweight Champions is remarkable. The 18 HW Champions Lewis faced: Vitali Klitschko, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Shannon Briggs, Frank Bruno, Tony Tucker, Hasim Rahman, Oliver McCall, Mike Weaver, Henry Akinwande, Tommy Morrison and Ray Mercer were later recognized as WBO champions, British HW champion Gary Mason, European HW champion Jean Chanet, Commonwealth HW champion Derek Williams, Canada HW champion Razor Ruddock, IBF/WBF HW champion Michael Grant, and WBC International HW champion David Tua...*[[ technically not all were 'World' champions but champions nonetheless ]]. Other notable mentions; Olympic HW Silver medalist Riddick Bowe, Olympic HW Gold medalist Tyrell Briggs, Andrew Golota, Zeljko Mavrovic, Frans Botha and Phil Jackson. Name another Super Heavyweight with a better resume? Only person i can think of is Wladimir Klitschko.

[@uversa7]

6'9, 269 lb. TYSON FURY would've reduced Lennox like he did Deontay 3 times.

[@dunc221]

George Foreman was and is better than Lenox Lewis.

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

@@dunc221 Foreman never fought a single topnotch Super Heavyweight in his career. Foreman intentionally ducked Lewis & Bowe,, he said he did 2 months ago.

[@jdbeast205]

@@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD he knocked out ken Norton and joe Frazier and they both beat Ali u make no sense

[@vgr112261]

Being big for the sake of being big is meaningless. Primo Carnera and Jess Willard were prime examples. Both were huge men for their time and even today. I’ve never seen anyone with the size and skills of Fury, though his upcoming fight with the Ukrainian will be interesting.

[@jaybirdjaybird9410]

Walcott was slick and stronger than his size would indicate. Rocky’s ability to carry his power late in fights saved the day for him here. Great fight.

[@louisj.marciano2562]

It was more than that.... ROCKY had to have the ability to wear Walcott down in a grueling fight where he ROCKY was absorbing considerable punishment. ROCKY put Joe in that retreating mode Joe was in in round 13.

[@onebludz]

Wow... in awe... Real fighters fighting real fights.. hard days

[@user-yk5jf4xi3l]

Rocky had class he wasn't a bully or an asshole he was a fighter.

[@margot9215]

Best conditioned fighter who ever lived...great heart...power...stamina...chin of iron...ridiculous work rate...hurt you no matter where he hit you...never took a backward step...threw punches in bunches...broke bone and blood vessels...pain meant nothing...he feared no man...49-0...43 KO's...put The Rock in with anyone!

[@bobbyd5276]

Ezzard Charles said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, and his trainers (Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera, Bill Gore) said they noticed signs of Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS) in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?

[@bobbyd5276]

A fighter is in his prime when he has the maturity and experience to go along with undiminished reflexes. Once his reflexes start to slide he's past-prime, simple as that. When his reflexes are gone he's a shot fighter. I can't recall seeing a fighter older than his early 30s that still had his reflexes fully intact. The decathlon is the ultimate and/or best test for speed/strength/endurance. The oldest any Olympic or World Champion has ever been is 32 (Roman Sebrle). This would leave one to believe that after 32 athletes will have started to decline- if not earlier. Boxers are only measured against their opponents, and the best boxers Marciano fought were undoubtedly past their prime. Marciano quit at 31 for a reason. Those 4 Hall of Famers Marciano faced were not prime when they fought him, it's scientifically and mathematically impossible when evaluating their careers. They already had 409 (68 68 95 178) pro fights and that doesn't include Louis' 96 fights he had before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service. Had Charles Moore Walcott Louis never fought little Rocky they'd still be entered into the Hall of Fame for what they accomplished *BEFORE* they fought him. Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG boxer Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought him?

[@bobbyd5276]

Consider that in December 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 4, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. 'Mr Boxing' himself, Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Marciano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired. EXPLAIN HOW 184 LB ROCKY GOES FROM 7TH PLACE DURING THE 60s AND 70s TO TOP 4 SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT IN 2024? Bcz his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why 165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. Even though ranking bodies exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, they STILL ACKNOWLEDGE (18) EIGHTEEN DIFFERENT WEIGHT CLASSES,, imagine that? 'AGE' is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms cannot see Moore was at least 42 and Walcott was at least 40. Algorithms cannot see Charles/Moore were light heavyweights and Joe Louis's reflexes were completely shot. The Algorithms only acknowledge Marciano fought 4 washed Hall of Famers and went 49-0. And that's exactly why the little 184 lb cruiser is ranked ahead of dozens of topnotch genuine Super Heavyweights!

[@IloveJimiHendrix2009]

@@bobbyd5276 All the fighters were smaller overall back then.

[@vgr112261]

@@bobbyd5276…question…do you think Rock got our while the getting was good, knowing he’d have to fight Patterson, Ingemar, and possibly Liston?

[@tomwendt498]

No fighter on the planet would have beat Jersey Joe that night except Rocky Marciano. Joe fought great that night. Rocky was indestructible!

[@michaelnacci832]

Joe was my home town boy .how could rocky beat him?I was so mad at joe for loosing .I still cant figure out what rock was made of.Give respect!!! I've learned to love the rock.All heart!!

[@thegoose0m1]

It's called "Jiff" peanut bitter, not "Jiffy". Always was.....

[@daviddavis3389]

Both these fighters were great boxers on their time..things are much different in modern times...Athletes are much better in 2022..Even the great boxers of the toughest Era, ( the 70s) were way better than these old timers..Tyson would have beat both of their A** in his prime...in fact, on my opinion, Mike could have beat both their A*** in the same night! All Mike Tyson would have needed would be about a 45 minute water break , then take the toughest fighter first,( Marciano) then go back into the ring and beat Marciano's Butt..all on one night!

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Could you imagine 41 year old light heavyweight Archie Moore busting up King Fury and Big George Foreman or any of the great Super Heavyweights? Yet Marciano had all he could handle and was floored with one glancing shot from the light heavyweight grandfather.

[@bobbyd1776]

I see you have a new name again. Way to go Freak Boy. The problem with your post is it is all a lie, one of many you post I might add. Marciano did NOT have all he could handle with Moore. He beat the daylights out of him knocking him down 4 times before knocking him out. Here are the judges scorecards for the fight 5 Harry Kessler 2 7 Artie Aidala 1 5 Harold Barnes 3

[@redbostonred2223]

Moore was running from the 3 round on, he was floored 5 times one was called a slip by the idiot referee , Joe Louis was out of boxing 7 months when he faced Marciano with 8 straight wins at 37 years old not a young man but not that old Don cockell was the British champion who defeated a lot of good boxers but was smoothed when boxed rocky