Joe Rogan on Learning Combat Sports

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[@elmancu]

BONAVENA

[@kiddodelani1849]

"Obviously fighting Muhammad Ali is terrible for your brain." Bigger facts were never spoken.

[@Pedro_Le_Chef]

Not particularly. Muhammad Ali wasn't a big puncher. He knocked out opponents by an accumulation of hits over multiple rounds. The guys were just so exhausted and demoralized in the later rounds that it was easy for Ali to finish them off. Honestly, Ali would be one of the safer opponents to fight in regards to brain damage. It's the Listons, the Fraziers and the Foremans that would be a problem.

[@lev3067]

@@Pedro_Le_Chef Wouldnt it be safer if you got koed right away from a big punch , than accumulate a series of punches that let you stay on your legs

[@dantemagliari1073]

fighting George Foreman and using his untested "Rope A Dope" against him was one of the most brilliant and unprecedented moves ever in sporting history.... unfortunately, it really was no good for Alis brain... as well as a three-bout war w Frazier, but mostly that foreman fight changed his life in more ways than one. He paid dearly the last 25-30 years of his life, but the legend goes on forever.

[@Lucky4zo]

@@lev3067 that’s correct.

[@deusvult6920]

​@@Pedro_Le_Chef "not particularly" *goes on to list why it's worse than the average*

[@ryanjones3043]

My ankle, knee, neck, nose and fingers approve this message

[@joncook6167]

Every day I am so thankful that my broken hands & fingers or fractured knuckles & wrists don’t kill…. But I know when I’m an old man I won’t be so happy.

[@Unapologetic.White.Man82]

​@@joncook6167 just don't be an old man and you’ll be perfectly fine

[@joncook6167]

@@Unapologetic.White.Man82 I’m fighting it everyday. Pretty sure I’m winning

[@ryanjones3043]

@@Unapologetic.White.Man82 facts 😢

[@elier8419]

Don't forget the wrists👀

[@majdydanaf6479]

Yea exactly. People forget that the main reasons fighters pull out of fights is due to injury during training sessions and mainly sparring

[@dude1458]

This is why I advocate "Fight to the death" to avoid brain damage

[@necromancer6405]

+1

[@Haytham1037]

YESSS!!! THANK YOU!!!

[@MNZTRTZNM]

For glory!!

[@seventhspirit]

To avoid brain damage you need to KO dude before he hits you like at all 🤣🤣

[@thlee3]

🤌🤌

[@elizabethsandberg846]

National Geographic did an article on how explosions affect your brain. It wasn’t the explosion that was bad it was when it reflected from the ground and came back up that was worse. And the people who were affected the worst were not the soldiers that went into combat, it was the military instructors Who are teaching how do use the Explosives.

[@twistedvine4989]

I totally agree, thats why I pulled back from cage fighting. I got injured more training than I did in my fights.

[@bigrandomun9267]

That’s why in MMA training, the coach only allows body shots. Nothing to the head and no shots on a downed opponent.

[@danhiggins5393]

In amateur boxing I sparred over 100 rounds for every round I fought. Lots of those sparring rounds were with guys 20 lbs heavier than I was. People think the 16 oz gloves and big headgear makes it feels like a pillow fight. That’s why I never allowed slugfests in the gym when I started coaching

[@anthonyconino329]

But it ALWays turned out to be just that. At least at our gym in 1981

[@sgtrickards5683]

That's how it is in the military. Many of us get beat up in combat, but the most damage is done from training. Train as you fight.

[@HCG]

No it’s not you LARPer

[@sgtrickards5683]

@@HCG did you serve?

[@StephenButlerOne]

As an RM, it's recons it takes 12 months for your body to get over Commando training. You come out of that broken. Alot of the training is luck you don't get a bad injury, but managing many injuries. Now in my 40s I probably feel 10 years older. Knackered knees, shins, ankles , and back.

[@Adam-lj6yj]

I’m an amateur boxer joint the RM soon mate, anything I can expect, I want to minimise injuries as much as possible

[@EMPERORSPROTECTION-TERRA4LIFE]

I did 1 sparing session with a mate when I was a kid. I came away with a headache and I allways wondered why anybody would do that over and over as I understood from 1 session that it was not good for my brain. Through my body telling me with the head ache 😂

[@HaveAGoodDayFk.U]

Not everyone gets headaches after sparring. I've gotten them but I didn't get them all the time. Plus just the whole competing against someone else to see who's better at boxing is well worth the headache.

[@KKSuited]

Some people take shots entirely differently than others. I've always eaten shots like candy. I'm talking horrific shit, like getting jumped and soccer kicked multiple times straight in the face. Not a single concussion. I was given a CAT scan after I got jumped. Just minor bruises and surface cuts. No swelling at all. I got stabbed in the back twice in the same altercation. Someone had to tell me. I thought I had just been punched in the back. Some people get hit and immediately feel everything. For some, it's almost numb until the fight is over and it may never bother them at all. George Foreman is still as sharp as he ever was, if not more so. Your brain was probably telling you the correct decision for you. Not everyone is wired the same.

[@EMPERORSPROTECTION-TERRA4LIFE]

@@KKSuited yes I’ve had similar and not one issue. Had fights, been jumped. Used my head as my main weapon. Never an headache after. Using gloves gave me a headache and made me realise how bad for the brain it was. Not a fist to the head a gloved fist to the head. Gloves are the issue. Also many men still think 6 hours of sleep makes them better than people who get 8 hours but there early heart attacks and cancer says otherwise!

[@EMPERORSPROTECTION-TERRA4LIFE]

@@KKSuited what about every other heavy weight of his time? Use your common sense! We all have a brain that sits in fluid in our skull! No matter how you keep rattleing it with gloves it will rattle. They all end up now able to speak you can count of your hands out of the thousands those who don’t have brain issues!

[@davidd.234]

It is easier to do when it's your only way out

[@seansean7643]

Ali didn't try to murder his opponents like Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier, or George Foreman. Not that he didn't knock guys out but he tired them out and got open shots in later rounds on exhausted fighters. He didn't really hit as hard as those other guys listed above but his technique made him more effective.

[@dominicbenecasa7893]

Ali ended up with serious issues from getting hit too.

[@PoPphys]

Check me on this cause I don’t remember where I heard it: Boxers get it worse than MMA because they have ~10secs to get back up. Whereas in MMA one sec of dim lights stops the fight?

[@HaveAGoodDayFk.U]

I've boxed my whole life a d something only boxers know, is some of the best fights are fought during "sparring". I've seen and I've also heard of great boxing matches during sparring. You get two future greats in the ring to spar and next thing you know they're going to war and you're watching one of the best boxing matches you've ever seen. It happens in boxing gyms all over the world.

[@patrickrochelle5221]

I wrestled my hole life and still to this day remembering throwing up so much training with the high-school in like 4th grade for like the first 2 weeks lol

[@carlhilton8755]

Watching boxers spar is crazy. Half the time they would come out of the ring bleeding with a headache.

[@MichaelJones-xz8mm]

Studying karate, on Friday was humble day. You had to spar the black belts. I am a novice white belt. He was so fast, I could not tell if he was hitting me or kicking me. I got the message. Sensei Kotaka. Thanks

[@mattchristensen9424]

Karate is worthless

[@MichaelJones-xz8mm]

@@mattchristensen9424 Not.

[@robwaters8848]

​@@mattchristensen9424It's not practical in the majority of real world combat scenarios. To say it's worthless is just stupid. It demonstrates lessons of humility, progression, self-care, and respect. What you said was incredibly ignorant and I choose to believe you didnt actually mean it.

[@agustinl2302]

​@@robwaters8848 "It's not practical in real world combat scenarios", even that depends. Kyokushin is full-contact, bare-knuckle, has lots of sparring and lots of conditioning. So it'd be very much useful for a self-defence situation.

[@danhiggins5393]

@@mattchristensen9424 I used to say that when I boxed but I’ve come to respect the martial arts now.

[@andymullarx6365]

There was a doctor that said something similar about Muhammad Ali. He spoke of how many blows he had to take practicing the rope-a-dope technique and all the jarring head snaps as a result. It would be like whiplash over and over again

[@BlueMountainStudiosPhotography]

Football is up there with boxing/mma. Most of the players hit their head every play. Practicing for years every day, man it's just sad what we put our bodies through. And for what??

[@misterwonderful6321]

The GOAL in combat sports is to knock your opponent unconcious. Fighting is NOT a "game".

[@anthonyconino329]

Having fought myself from 1980 till 83, and being 57 now , the training, all of it, took it's tole on me way after I stopped, I understand. And I only fought welter weight.

[@petermcgill1559]

I'm so glad we're much more aware of this now.

[@birddog7492]

We truly are not made for combat.

[@djdeemz7651]

I know a dude who wasnt a fighter he got into a fight - got punched once and got brain damage , he slurs his words now and it takes him time to think about stuff he was sharp before that fight now its like he is 70 years old a drunk all the time

[@aprev039]

According to his wiki, he did no head guard sparring at all.

[@ericedmunds9488]

Might be true but some fighters take a good beating are never the same afterwards. Justin gathje vs. tony Ferguson, shogun vs Jon Jones , Pettis vs RDA I could go on all day.

[@ts_of_defunct]

The trouble with boxing is you're trying to beat your opponent by giving the neurological damage. MMA's knockouts are generally safer because it's over much more quickly. Boxing you essentially have to knock your opponent out repeatedly until they can't stand up.

[@flameguy3416]

Sparring every day or week gives you CTE, not fighting 3 or 5 times a year.

[@Grunt49]

The Bayonne bleeder!

[@isailopez4132]

Joe has stories from every single subject, and they sound very legit, interesting and even give you a sense of knowledge

[@pando9971]

Andrew 'I stomp my feet every 2 min' Schultz is gona need knee reco's with all the over the top foot stomping he does during these podcasts

[@YedolfWesler]

What's so annoying for me, if I don't lift for about a week when I go to bench again I can feel how much heavier it is, muscle doesn't last.

[@paulcharpentier5613]

I can a test to this I retired fr kickboxing competition early, 28 but have continued to train and spar and get guys ready for their fights. I'm 34 now and I can feel the impact that training has had on me. It has changed me.

[@dacedebeer2697]

Take it easy on sparring guys, and take fish oil supplements.

[@carlsitler9071]

I had a bit of damage from wrestling pratice but the lion's share was from duals and tournaments. I routenely practiced with the starter in the weight above me (185).

[@thehermit2923]

Combat shouldn't be a sport but a last resort but some people really need money I guess.

[@ianjones4785]

That’s why when you spare you don’t hit too kill

[@charleshammer2928]

Jerry Quarry knocked out Earnie Shavers.

[@Nick-hi9gx]

The solution is simple. Helmets. Not the little padded helmets of boxing and wrestling. Nah, pig-faced bascinets. Frog helms. Spangenhelms. Roman galeas with the cavalry face mask. Corinthian-style helmets, minus the crest probably. Full Japanese kobuto, oni face included.

[@timothytremblay7763]

Ah that drain bammage!!!

[@danhiggins5393]

Mike Quarry had 75 pro fights, around 10 more than his brother Jerry. You are mistaken to believe quality of competition makes a difference in how much damage you take in boxing. All pro boxers can hit hard enough to give you a concussion. The main factor in championship boxing that makes it more is the number of rounds. When they shortened title fights to 12 rounds after the death of Kim duk-koo in the 70s it really did cut down on the number of ring deaths.

[@anonymousanonymous3707]

Also worth mentioning Mike Quarry was badly badly KOd by Bob Foster on the undercard of Ali/Quarry2 ... Unconscious for a long period of time it was so bad many people think it affected Jerry's performance in the main event . That could have had a long term effect on his brain also

[@terrywbreedlove]

NFL and College they now wear the giant padded helmets during Football practices.

[@kevsworld69]

Loved loved loved fighting, training, and sparing. My brain dr. said I had already used up more concussions than my share and it was time to stop or suffer the results sooner, possibly instantly.

[@jesseleighbrackstone8365]

I’ve never been be able to understand why boxing is legal!😱

[@jordanknives6895]

John Wicks Dog

[@ZaTalks]

If ya’ll haven’t seen this Flagrant episode you should. Joe gets fucked up and shows a different side to him 😅

[@rickleo2159]

very good point

[@mcp1228]

What podcast is this

[@michaelpena5986]

Terrible for Ali too. That parkinson's was likely from boxing

[@shinji391]

When learning swordsmanship, do you use real swords? And do you kill or maim your training partner? No? Well, then you shouldn't KO your sparring partner either. Simple math. If you can't do that, you're already brain damaged.

[@Bronzestone1808]

This video deserved a subscribe💯

[@prevyhiphop]

Never fought in competition but I did train in boxing and we would spar once a week. I would have random headaches and mental lapses more frequently. All I would think is damn, people do this for a living with no head gear? Fuck all that. 😂🤷🏾‍♂️

[@yourbigheadcousin5434]

Look, things happen while training but if you're getting beat the fuck up consistently at your gym then switch gyms. They don't care about you and they're doing what they need to to protect you

[@Ethan-xf4or]

And not learning combat sports is even more dangerous. All these cry babies “ I might not make it out with a brain”. Well you might not make it out of a bad encounter when your getting head stomped in front of your girlfriend or wife. Getting beat up and learning to be tough is a risk I will take any day. I don’t just train for me, I train for my family and my kids should anything happen.

[@shawntandy4326]

enter Randall tex Cobb one tough sob! lucky he never learn mma!

[@Rowsy91]

Preach joe

[@jessikablake4784]

Drain Bamage

[@johnsmidth2876]

Where are those muscles from joe?

[@karna5526]

Imagine not calling combat and fighting a sport anymore, ...

[@logandavey2208]

Andrew finishing his sentence like that u know they close 🤞

[@JM91x]

Strange comment

[@leopoldstotch7711]

fruity

[@peggi18]

Zesty cat

[@watercolourmark]

They should warn people that being constantly hit in the head will lead to brain damage. You'd think they'd know this, but apparently they don't - maybe they forgot.

[@anthonyconino329]

Ummmmmm fighters know that. We don't bitch like little girls . We just fight. Because that's what we do.

[@markmartin8276]

Jerry Quarry was a great fighter

[@alexweber7035]

Who's playing piano in the back?

[@mysmirandam.6618]

This man is so articulate despite all the brain damage. Remarkable!

[@JosephArata]

Need to make boxing and mma bare knuckle sports. You get penalties if you strike the head. 1800s boxing didn't have this brain damage problem we have today.

[@gunbacker9428]

Nah. Maybe make a new league with that rule set so fighters have the option to do that, but taking headshots out of combat sports completely defeats the purpose of combat sports. These fighters know exactly what they signed up for and come to terms with that.

[@danmeyers2506]

In a few years VR will eliminate that problem.

[@ja5435]

And people in the NFL are crying about hitting too hard

[@Ali-ep5li]

that's interesting, to hear that just as much brain damage was received in just sparring

[@warrendevine7459]

Wasn’t Quarry the inspiration, to Stallone, for Rocky?

[@edbears5725]

no, he wasn't. Chuck Wepner a journey man boxer who fought Ali.

[@daveortiz99]

George

[@markheydt351]

I'll give it to joe he's a great story teller what he said is true!! among.....other story he tells then you don't know some times the story's he tells if they are B.S

[@Gatsu_Gambino]

Would have been cool if they would have let him finish what he was saying without interrupting him multiple times...

[@kellypatterson9456]

NFL bad on brain too.

[@GrimReaperReport]

What's that slapping crap going to produce then 🤔

[@MB-zj3er]

Joe points out the patently obvious...peanut gallery responds - AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[@eatabowlofshit]

Joe has such small, tiny legs. That's why he's so short.

[@crypt0bank446]

and what about that new Power Slap? That's 100% brain damage my lord! lol

[@williamdawson3792]

Only true thing Rogan knows about is honey buns and the mileage to the medical Marijuana clinic 😅

[@rustyshackleford3514]

Every time you train, you are effectively shortening your career.

[@apollohmiv42]

Hope they are smoking before sparing to protect your brain from concussions.

[@williamsalgado9738]

Huh?

[@apollohmiv42]

@@williamsalgado9738 they found that thc helps prevent brain damage from concussions. But the NFL still won't allow the use. Look it up.

[@felipeloyola3474]

Bruh

[@7ORD6ANTI]

That's interesting probably cause of THCs relaxing effecs when i used to smoke i noticed that it would sometimes relieve my headaches as well as back pain and sore muscles

[@burlzburley6096]

Well said Joe

[@floridasam4587]

2½ years of kickboxing as a teen and I started getting migraines weekly. I still get at least 2 migraines every month. It's super not fun and I'm just glad I quit before I damaged myself any further.

[@jamewakk]

Yeah Ali turned out good.

[@elmancu]

BONAVENA

[@joelchavez61]

Sparring is where fighters learn their craft and its also how they tune up for a fight. Sparring is fighting, it's where fighters work their game, make adjustments in real time fight conditions. Pressure blows getting dropped and all. Mike Tyson mentions that there were fighters who kicked the crap out of him in Sparring but couldn't handle the lights of a fight. He also said that a huge event fsuperfight is only different till the bell rings then its JUST LIKE THE GYM. That means whatever battle experiences that occur in the fight have already occurred many times in sparring. I remember Sparring for amateur fights like the golden gloves tourney and I always notice when I stepped in the ring that the floor at our gym had about 10K drops of blood dried up over time. It was a stark reminder that that small piece of real estate is violent and brutal. Muhammad Ali used to offer his Sparring partners large Bonuses if they could knock him out. In today's dollars he would offer $75K if you could finish him. That's not soft playing but warriors preparing for combat.