Roger Penrose: Physics of Consciousness and the Infinite Universe | Lex Fridman Podcast #85

[@lexfridman]

I really enjoyed this conversation with Roger. Here's the outline: 0:00 - Introduction 3:51 - 2001: A Space Odyssey 9:43 - Consciousness and computation 23:45 - What does it mean to "understand" 31:37 - What's missing in quantum mechanics? 40:09 - Whatever consciousness is, it's not a computation 44:13 - Source of consciousness in the human brain 1:02:57 - Infinite cycles of big bangs 1:22:05 - Most beautiful idea in mathematics

[@williamvanhuss8452]

Lex Fridman Thanks for this episode. Always fascinating to hear Penrose speak.

[@Ultimate_Tito_TheExplorer]

Lex Fridman ill be your jamie bro. If your hiring

[@JaimeLannister13]

Lex, this has been a very informative podcast for me (one of your best, truly). Thank you for breaking out the above for us. If I can follow up with a question for you at 1:11:20 when Roger discusses how the universe gets more boring as we near heat death and black holes begin radiating away. My question is: is it possible that they don't radiate away and that they instead manage to continue finding one another growing in mass until having a gravitational effect on the expansion of the universe itself causing an implosion instead of a heat death? Don't know if you'll get to this but thought i'd ask. Cheers,

[@bobbykotick1163]

joe rogans sloppy seconds

[@senaesul3128]

Lex, I don't think consciousness is as complicated as many people put it (despite the sounding ignorance of this statement). Most of the battle in my opinion is the training of a self identity that carries memories of said identity. Our own consciousness is essentially trained illusion to believe our sensory inputs and memory make us separate from the causal link of the quantum universe. This all might be bollocks, please let me know if it is, thanks!

[@doronron7323]

Penrose; such a humble man. Can't we find a way to give him another lifetime?

[@rob16248]

He might just find a way to do it himself.

[@redthered585]

Agreed, so few people would be deserving of a such a gift

[@bruno3]

This kind of comment isn't ill-intentioned, but I always cringe when I hear or read things of the sort. When you get to a certain age, most people treat you like your death is imminent and that must be tiring and depressing. No one knows when their time will come. Just imagine how many young people have died since this comment was published and Dr. Penrose is still alive and kicking. Let's just see people for who they are and not put a life expectancy tag on them.

[@tedsmith9215]

@@redthered585 Are we all not photons reaching toward the boundaries of infinite space as we shape the next iteration of a reborn universe?

[@ac-gp3kz]

@@bruno3 I thought it was a great comment. I took it to mean that this man has achieved so much in terms of bringing forward our understanding of the universe that it's a real shame he's almost at the end of his life. If we could give him another lifetime imagine what more he could do. There's only a tiny percentage of people on earth with a mind like his.

[@Perforu]

People should note he is NINETY years old while the interview is conducted - this speaks volumes how brilliant his mind is...

[@dawnkeyy]

This is basically having a 90yo running a marathon.

[@thishandleistacken]

@@dawnkeyy I'm family friends with Dr. Brenda Milner who was the student of and worked with Dr. Penfield (I grew up around her and was flown out to Toronto a few month back with my dad as her 2 representatives for her induction to the Canadian Walk of Fame) and she's 105 and still able to have complex conversations! It's utterly amazing. She's clearly not as sharp as she was in her 90s and certainly not as sharp as she was when I was a kid but it's really quite stunning. Her and Penrose are both inspiring examples that make me less afraid to be old. The key seems to be to constantly learn and keep yourself open to novelty. Those who seem to lose cognition earlier (while there are certainly genetic factors) also seem to be those who "already have a closed worldview" rather than those who are always open to changing their minds so long as there is logic and reason to do so

[@kalachakra1508]

WHAT?!! Wow, incredible. Just incredible.

[@LordOfThePancakes]

@@thishandleistackencap

[@thishandleistacken]

@@LordOfThePancakes how? look her up. she's a fascinating woman, odd, but truly fascinating

[@tanmayjoshi108]

Roger Penrose awarded Nobel Prize for Physics 2020

[@RahulKumar-ng2gh]

loved that people celebrating Noble Prize winners, I will root for Jennifer doudna for Medicine

[@elonmusk352]

Just after he got nobel Indians started attacking Lex Friedman podcast too lool Because in other podcast very few views are there from India

[@RahulKumar-ng2gh]

@@elonmusk352 if you won't notice it, don't say it, I am regular on and off viewer of lex and Rogan podcast last one year

[@elonmusk352]

@@RahulKumar-ng2gh Lol I am also Indian although living in US but I mean in other channels like tibees most subscribes and viewers are Indian which is not for Lex Friedman

[@MarttiSuomivuori]

He is totally wrong about consciousness.

[@PaulWalker-lk3gi]

Roger Penrose: "I'd like to call myself a scientist, I suppose." Also Roger Penrose: Won the Nobel Prize in Physics.

[@HansDunkelberg1]

Do you really think that you can impress anybody with this ridiculous portion of flattery?

[@thinkinyblinko6666]

True modesty/humility shows a mind fully aware of the vast complexity of it all. I love it.

[@vhawk1951kl]

so what?

[@DelaHazey]

You know, he's something of a scientist himself.

[@Norsilca]

@@HansDunkelberg1 Found the fun at parties guy

[@raunike]

Just listened to another podcast where the interviewer was bombarding sir Penrose with new questions all the time, without letting him finish his previous ideas. Lex, it was so refreshing to hear your conversation with him where he could actually finish his thoughts :) and good questions from your side!

[@1DJDUST]

Yes, I saw that Jordan Peterson interview too and boy his ego is too big to let other people do the talking. ;)

[@josephinavomit8189]

@@1DJDUST me too, horrible to watch

[@josephsmth646]

​@@1DJDUSTJP licks Benjamin Netanyahu and claims i love skeptisim,lol.

[@serpentines6356]

@@1DJDUST Ah, that's too bad. I like Peterson a lot. I think he jumps in there mainly because his thoughts run fast, and rampant and he doesn't want to lose his next question. I do like the very relaxed form interviewers like Lex. Benjamin Boyce is another one.

[@1DJDUST]

@@serpentines6356 yeah i like JP too, I think he's a smart man. Just needs to know his place in a conversation where he is not the center of attention.

[@RokasJovaisa]

This is surreal. Roger Penrose was my most anticipated guest on this podcast and it finally happened. Thank you Lex and Roger very much for doing this!

[@1skeeta4u]

Any other recommendations??

[@RokasJovaisa]

@@1skeeta4u Weinstein did a podcast with Penrose not so long ago where they mainly talked about Penroses work in mathematics and physics. Highly recommend watching that if you enjoyed this one, although it can be hard to follow at some parts since Weinstein is a mathematician too and they get very technical at times.

[@1skeeta4u]

@Bob Smith are those podcast also?

[@yotty97]

yeah bro, compare him to Eric Weinstein recently....Penrose can make complicated ideas so much more accessible, whereas Eric Weinstein was totally incomprehensible word salad

[@quantacipher]

A short clip to celebrate Noble Prize winning of Roger Penrose kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3XYd2lqqa2Gqrs

[@nickpayne4724]

Without hyperbole: one of the best interviews in our human history. This is a classic. An absolute field of glittering gems, each refracting a cosmos. Very skillfully done by Lex, asking the questions to simultaneously deepen the conversation and connect it to a listener who isn't as skilled in math or physics as Penrose, yet still letting him go into the depths when he feels the need.

[@oiooiioioiooioii5400]

Absolutely! When I saw that Lex had an interview with Sir Roger Penrose I couldn't believe I somehow missed it. I have heard a fair amount of Penrose talks, but this is probably the best I have heard so far.

[@Friedolays]

Here is some refraction: Penrose: 5:17 "Lex, play with my butthole, i love buttstuff", "come on boy, sit on my lap"

[@markmasterson4811]

I used to work in Oxford years ago in an administrative capacity and had the privilege of working with Roger over that time. A very lovely person and a gentleman, in addition to being one of the world's great minds. We never rang him til the afternoon, which was because he worked in the ver early hours of the morning. He also always kept the mathematics board meetings on time, maybe cause he knew never to waste that immensely precious commodity.

[@melvinost8272]

when you say "he worked in the very early hours of the morning", do you mean that he stayed up til the wee hours and came in late? or came in early and was most productive before midday?

[@rostorik_abc]

"We're scratching the surface here"...sigh...I wish I could come back in 100, 300, 1000 and 10 000 years to see what we got to. But at this brief moment I can be really happy, that you Lex, has made it possible for little people like us, to listen to one of the greatest minds in this timeline.

[@abigailbarber1977]

you can come back ( :

[@Sandwichism]

Lex "Never ceases to amaze me with outstanding guests" Fridman

[@tyfoodsforthought]

Nailed it

[@Scorch428]

Ever cross your mind that hes a soviet spy? I dunno why, buts its crossed mine....always asking these specific questions about new technology!!:P

[@quantacipher]

A short clip to celebrate Noble Prize winning of Roger Penrose kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3XYd2lqqa2Gqrs

[@StradexEngine]

​@@Scorch428 Quite unlikely since soviet union ceased to exist since near 30 years.

[@michaelcollette8170]

@@StradexEngine 😂

[@justdoityourself7134]

My only problem with this interview is that it didn't last 24 hours.

[@mikhailfranco]

Is that the Goggins Penrose Challenge?

[@frankwillow-rogersjr.3253]

Yes 'JustDoItYourself' I agree. That was one of the most-complicated/while being the most-beautiful deliveries of INFOrmation which most of will never reach to utilize--I have experienced! Thx L.F. & R.P.

[@dunbar1100]

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[@kd0525]

I’d have to watch it 24 times to understand it

[@quantacipher]

A short clip to celebrate Noble Prize winning of Roger Penrose kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3XYd2lqqa2Gqrs

[@markgerman6101]

Lex, I've listened to many of your podcasts, primarily to enhance my own ideas, thoughts, perceptions and attempted understandings of consciousness. This one with Roger Penrose has affected me most profoundly, so my heartfelt thanks to both of you.

[@iankovacs]

I cannot wait...watching now

[@bonnieroberts1799]

Just found this older episode. Infinite gratitude for the pleasure of listening to your expert interview of the gracious and brilliant Sir Roger Penrose.

[@philiolynott4886]

This is one of the most fantastic things I have ever listened to. Roger penrose can literally reach into other difficult fields like Neurobiology with ease and even more, propel those fields forward to think beyond what was thought possible. Absolutely wild, we are blessed to have such a mind.

[@khileshjairamdas8410]

The feeling of reverence I get listening to these is unparalleled. Do I even deserve to have proximal audience with this brilliant man? Thank you, Lex, for your wonderful work. I hope Roger has many years left in him.

[@Franciscasieri]

He's 90 Gives all lower primates like us hope Absolutely brilliant I know therefore I really know nothing

[@barkingorifice]

My thoughts exactly... Thank you for the verbalization.

[@cosmictraveler731]

He's still only human, not a "God", and he'd be the first to tell you that. Brilliant, incredible, but not some higher being than you.

[@ricodelta1]

ROFL calm down 😂😂😂😂😂

[@joegranata7936]

This is one of the greatest interview I've seen in my whole life. No exaggeration here. Thank you Lex. I owe you something for this magic moment.

[@vinterwn2946]

There is exaggeration here

[@VishalPaudel-i6r]

Has nobody here heard about infinite deaths and rebirths of the cosmos in hindu cosmology? kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5jco62oaqmmbtE

[@show_me_your_kitties]

Oh yeah? Donate to his channel, we will all love to see it in the comment section ❤

[@nozfirat]

I was a teenager when I watched 2001: A Space Odyssey, in early 70's. That movie was a real milestone in my life, inspired me to love physics, and then to choose Electronic Engineering as my job. Now I'm 62, retired, and my only dissapointment is that I was hoping to see aliens, encounters of the third kind, before I end my life. Who knows, 2020 seems to be a spooky year.

[@abyteuser6297]

There is meme saying that after the badly way humanity is handling the virus the government definitely not gonna tell us about the aliens now

[@ChrisPotgieter]

I share your disappointment. ..the alien buggers not showing up after they left us stranded here aeons ago!!...its not within the capability of any "government" to hide or show them....😃

[@dflyfpv8765]

Aliens are in us humans, by now they are just enjoying the show.

[@willhurley4559]

DFly FPV I couldn’t agree more 🛸🔭

[@anav587]

Do DMT, trust me you'll look at the concept of aliens differently

[@florentraffray1073]

I love Penrose's explanation and fascination with Gödel's theorem and how it leads him to the conclusion that understanding and perhaps therefore consciousness is not computational. I've heard him say it many times in other interview appearances and I think I always understood the point, but for some reason each time I hear him make it, it becomes more and more profound.

[@dougfrasher8524]

Revisiting this episode, after recent evidence that microtubules sustain quantum coherence, and contemplating the notion that the collapse from quantum to classic behavior must have a function that is critical to our experience, leaves me with the impression that these ideas are potentially key to eventually understanding consciousness. The proposed link to gravity and space-time would also seem to offer an interesting direction for exploration and experiment. Not to mention that this is still one of Lex's most masterful interviews allowing the rest of us access to great humans.

[@simonburton992]

notable quotes from Roger Penrose: "Somehow, understanding why the rules give you truths, enables you to transcend the rules." (23:40) and later on: "if you have mass, you have beautiful clocks." (1:17:10)

[@calamariaxo]

You have understanding and intellingence and awareness... And somehow, understanding is in the middle of it. Could you say of an entity that it's actually intelligent if it doesn't have the quality of understanding?

[@danellwein8679]

mass is brought about by beautiful precision .. and then itself produces beautiful precision …

[@simon6350]

Congratulations Sir Roger Penrose for winning the Nobel Prize !!!!

[@daisyharris4082]

Casually having a conversation with one of the best minds of the last 100 years. Well done Lex, thank you

[@fredb2022]

Yes, and thank you for using his proper title Sir

[@weareallthesame7924]

@@virtualpilgrim8645 Nobel peace prize is a joke but not for the science. Pretty much the scientific community has to nominate you as approve, non directly. it is still respected.

[@menthols4625]

@@weareallthesame7924 Yeah, it's weird that some people don't understand that. The Nobel Peace Prize has been a joke for decades, it's mainly a propaganda piece, but the Nobel Prizes for any of the sciences are the real deal and huge accomplishments.

[@Xtjiggzs]

@@virtualpilgrim8645 : What an unintelligent comment!

[@ajayrajan8882]

This is one of your best podcast episode Lex, Loved every single minute of it. Roger is arguably the greatest mind of 21st century.

[@Jawnderlust]

I’m almost ashamed to say this is the first time hearing him speak, after being fascinated by his work for several years. Thanks to both of you, this is great.

[@andrewx3y8c]

I love Penrose’s humble approach and open acknowledgment of for all that we think we know there’s just so much that we don’t even have the slightest clue on

[@ablock3002]

"Understanding why the rules give you truths, enables you to transcend the rules." Fantastic quote. Know the rules so well you can break them. Thats where innovation and creativity occurs. Thank you Lex for this conversation.

[@danellwein8679]

there are rules … there is understanding .. and they are not equivalent …

[@tahwsisiht]

❤

[@darekklich4267]

Take note kids, this man is a legend.

[@adraedin]

I don't think Penrose's quote translates exactly to "know the rules so well you can break them". If I recall, it's not so much about breaking the rules - it would be more accurate to say that you follow all the rules properly and you break ~the machine~ due to the input you gave it. The fact that it breaks down translates to a logic statement that not all math problems are solvable. Correct me if I'm wrong - I'm paraphrasing & it's been a while since I dug into that stuff.

[@PsychoSk8r4bg]

Then I guess we can say the following: They are not rules. They are foundations.

[@anandbalivada7461]

My fastest click. The Road to Reality is one of my favourite books and I've been itching to finish the Emperor's New Mind and Shadows of the Mind. These books are at the intersection of Math, physics, theoretical cs and philosophy, which is absolutely delightful.

[@SahilP2648]

@Perro K my father has asked me to read The Dancing Wu Li masters. I read it yet but you should read that.

[@cyberiadiscordia389]

I've never seen Penrose so relaxed and clear on this topic. Must be Lex's influence.

[@westinthewest]

I wonder why they decided to put an SM7B right in his face. Do you wonder why they don't do that on TV interviews? A lapel mic or overhead boom is less distracting.

[@danellwein8679]

I think in some ways Lex is an empath … he absorbs distractions whereby letting truth come forth unhampered ..

[@tylerdurden1207]

It's called pot brownies. Lex is notirous for spiking his guests' food. Look it up.

[@QED_]

@Cyberia Discordia: Right. Penrose steps through the totality of his interests and their development here . . . in a comprehensive way that I've never seen him do in a dozen other interviews. How does that happen (?) Does Fridman provide some kind of intellectual space that uniquely facilitates Penrose doing that (?) Very interesting . . .

[@Limbiclesion]

What a privilege for those of us who don’t frequently get to hear the thinking of Physicists …listening to Professor Penrose talk is I imagine like sitting with Mozart while he was composing 🙏🙏🏿

[@coreyrachar9694]

Damn, this is one the the most interesting interviews with this legend. I was in a trance listening to sir Penrose speak for the whole 1.5 hours. Fascinating!

[@QED_]

@Corey Racher: Yes. Penrose steps through the totality of his interests and their development here . . . in a comprehensive way that I've never seen him do in a dozen other interviews. How does that happen (?) Does Fridman provide some kind of intellectual space that uniquely facilitates Penrose doing that (?) Very interesting . . .

[@parkerdinkins5541]

I haven't even watched this yet but I just want to say THANK YOU Lex for all the work you do. You are connecting with the worlds best and brightest and your work will live on for years and years to come.

[@McMurchie]

Take note kids, this man is a legend.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

yep, it makes me laugh to think about his space filling shapes - "i think i can do it in five - oops, i've done it with just two" lol. my favourite though is in debate with william lane craig about creation and god, penrose says at one point, just matter of fact "there may well be a superior being, but i don't see where that gets us" and then, just throwaway "and there's nothing to say this being isn't malicious". a little old man with a bad comb over. love him.

[@williamgreene4834]

@@HarryNicNicholas Yes and those 2 space filling shapes can pave an area the size of the know Universe and the pattern never repeats. That kind of hurts your brain.

[@quantacipher]

A short clip to celebrate Noble Prize winning of Roger Penrose kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3XYd2lqqa2Gqrs

[@andersbjorkman8666]

I dream of a world in the future when men like these are the ones idolized by the masses, and not rap-artists who sing about getting rich fast by drivebys and selling drugs while "banging hoes" xD

[@braideasegoat8284]

I'm all out of paper, out of all charged devices, and my memory is on overdrive. I suggest casual note taking and not writing down every word 🤭

[@TheOneHiraethProject]

I've been watching your podcasts for about 6 months and am delighted by the depth of information shared in layman terms on topics richly stimulating. Gratitude for the content.

[@ignatzly]

Just discovered your podcast. Several times I have tried to read Penrose's Road to Reality. Big fan of Penrose. Thank you. You are great.

[@sebacaine6974]

"You don't need to quantize gravity, you need to gravitize quantum mechanics." I love that.

[@The.Golden.Door.]

We are a perfect example of these mechanics

[@hyperduality2838]

Duality! Gravitation is equivalent or dual to acceleration -- Einstein's happiest thought Energy is dual to mass -- Einstein Space is dual to time -- Einstein Discrete (quantum) is dual to continuous (classical)

[@The.Golden.Door.]

@@hyperduality2838 gender, polarity, correspondence, cause & effect, mentalism, rhythm, vibration

[@hyperduality2838]

@@The.Golden.Door. Thesis is dual to anti-thesis, the time independent Hegelian dialectic. Alive (thesis) is dual to not alive (anti-thesis) -- Schrodinger's or Hegel's cat. Syntropy is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics. Using duality you can create new laws of physics!

[@The.Golden.Door.]

@@hyperduality2838 What brings duality together? Duality is lost & incomplete in constructivity without a vector equilibrium. All laws of Physics , both new & old, constantly orginate from and progress to the coherence of a vector equilibrium... the unity between the indefinite Dyad and a deeper connection between duality & hyperduality. The convergence point ●

[@gerardjones7881]

Great challenging questions ....then he shuts up and lets Rodger unfold his wings and soar. Roger has a gift that anyone can understand him, as he transmits information even a child could grasp it.

[@pdsm1552]

Have you looked into his Road To Reality book? It's exactly that but in book form.

[@boooogles]

I am blown away. I have thought about consciousness in much a similar way that Roger Penrose has for awhile, and my thoughts on everything he said aligns perfectly with mine, and makes sense to me. I feel like he has advanced my understanding of how things work and my exploration of these thoughts by decades. I am immediately going to read and consume any Penrose material I can. His curiosity and intuition feels unrivaled. I am mainly writing this for myself, but it feels like every single thing he talks about is the most interesting concept in the world. Thank you for this podcast, and thank you to whoever told me to watch this video, I can't remember who you were but I am eternally grateful

[@Akemi2_1]

29:58 that is by far the most brilliant analogy I’ve heard to give some sort of explanation to consciousness

[@doronz2]

This is without hesitation, the most interesting discussion I have ever listened to. Penrose ideas are blow minding

[@bbamboo3]

This dialog will take some thought. Roger has a sort of thought courage that enables him to extend our universe of ideas in ways that are at once comfortable and completely foreign, his story makes a great thread. You almost threw him off but he has this "consciousness" that wouldn't stray. Thanks for helping to ground the story from time to time.

[@edansw]

I love Roger, he doesn't have all the answers, but he knows to ask the right questions. Also, Lex wonderful job on igniting such an interesting interview.

[@nishparadox]

I had never imagined you'd be bringing Penrose to the conversation. Thank you very much for this Lex!

[@annat5105]

thank you a million! it was such a pleasure to listen to this natural flow of conversation, Sir Roger is an exceptional person! Thank you for interviewing the way these mind blowing ideas are actually unpacked, it feels like you opened so much even for far far away from scientific people. You’re an amazing interviewer!

[@timothylindsay3244]

The most important 85 minutes I’ve spent in my 68 years. Thank you 🙏

[@Dinvan]

*Wondering what to watch on youtube* "Posted 23 seconds ago" I love it when this happens

[@SerPapus]

Watching this 8 months from this comment

[@jackiegrant410]

My great grandfather was a Penrose, my mother’s aunt is doing some research into the family tree now, I was quite surprised when my mother called to tell me that she had been watching a programme on this subject when Sir Roger Penrose was mentioned . This is so interesting to listen too, it’s something that has only come to my awareness in recent years. ❤️

[@politicaled7247]

Sir Roger is my Dad’s cousin! Please reach out if you think I can help you with the family tree

[@thejing3793]

pay attention to the way he interacts with his body during this conversation, you can tell he is getting so passionate just having to share the knowledge of all that he knows.

[@jeanlesperance3057]

Great interview. Started watching the Jordan Peterson discussion with Penrose but it got very bogged down and muddled. Lex was much better at drawing out Penrose's ideas.

[@arisrayden]

a discussion/interview between peterson and someone else got bogged down and muddled? why i'm shocked, shocked i tells you. never ever have i witnessed peterson getting bogged down and muddeling things up why i......can't sustain this level of sarcasm any longer

[@pedrofelipefreitas2666]

Jordan is an extrovert, he is usually well composed but maybe he was too excited when talking to Roger lol

[@AriannaEuryaleMusic]

One of the smartest minds of our time, I have re-watch this video many times to actually grasp everything he says.

[@BoRisMc]

Sir Roger Penrose seems particularly agile and well-rested in this interview. Really sounds like a sharp middle-aged man. I wish I was this sharp on my 36 y.o. Amazing work Lex!

[@jimbeam4736]

I´m 38 and felt the same...

[@QED_]

@Boris Martinez Castillo: Penrose steps through the totality of his interests and their development here . . . in a comprehensive way that I've never seen him do in a dozen other interviews. How does that happen (?) Does Fridman provide some kind of intellectual space that uniquely facilitates Penrose doing that (?) Very interesting . . .

[@hireality]

Roger Penrose is the most brilliant, fascinating, and lovable scientist and thinker alive today. Thank you indeed Lex for your most wonderful episode ever. Like another commentator put it: I wish this interview was lasting for 24 hours🙂 Shine on👍

[@seepooha]

Probably the best interview with Penrose in a long time. He was sharp, full of energy, and visibly relaxed.

[@QED_]

@Serge M.: Yes. Penrose steps through the totality of his interests and their development here . . . in a comprehensive way that I've never seen him do in a dozen other interviews. How does that happen (?) Does Fridman provide some kind of intellectual space that uniquely facilitates Penrose doing that (?) Very interesting . . .

[@vitsirosh3722]

Roger Penrose has this incredible way of talking almost like he's mumbling something irrelevant only to connect it to a deeper story offering great insight logic and clarity with easy to follow language. What a man

[@TheTebban]

I was in awe when this talk was first aired, rewatched it today and I was almost in tears.

[@patrowan7206]

I just finished my second watching with the same response.

[@wisescouncil]

I love how he get all emotional when talking about those elephants. Same for me Roger, same for me ...

[@NuclearErrorBG]

He almost cried there! Feels like compassion and understanding are deeply intertwined in consciousness.

[@No_OneV]

"whatever a consciousness is, is not a computation" I agree with Roger on a very deep level

[@mre7550]

Seems obvious though

[@No_OneV]

@@mre7550 Oh you have no idea how many people would argue against it. Its highly controversial opinion in today's scientific community.

[@TEAMPHY6]

Name checks out. #agicrew

[@ivorymantis1026]

People will come around... eventually.

[@jfinn3575]

@@mre7550 I can't believe they were even discussing whether other large mammals had 'consciousness' or not. I know a key element of science is proving or describing the seemingly obvious, but defiantly more curiosity was ascribed to the subject than I expected.

[@elindauer]

This channel does a service to humanity to record the thoughts of so many intellectual giants.

[@corinnecothern8086]

Oh such lovely companions on this breezy Tuesday January morning! How happy I feel to be alive just now.

[@maxtube7]

It seems that Sir Roger is one of the wizards who hold this universe for us. Thank you for the opportunity to hear his brilliant mind. So how is the superposition principle related to the equivalence principle?

[@paulrosado6431]

Congrats on the Nobel Prize in Physics to this brilliant mind! Awesome dude and a true genius of our time!

[@AntoZysygy]

I want to get to my 90ys that good! A beautiful mind

[@smarty71693]

32:14 - "You're a materialist but you acknowledge we don't really know what the material is." lmao

[@GiedriusMisiukas]

True Materialist Society A.W.

[@JAMESBONDiitkgp]

This should be in Hall of Fame. An incredible discussion and inspiration to million.

[@philippugsley1045]

It's great how Roger admits when he does not know, there is so much about the world which is still a mystery.

[@AdamEvans416]

The guests on this podcast are remarkable, thank you Lex!!

[@M.-.D]

So incredible to see Professor Penrose win the Nobel Prize. One of the greatest minds.

[@keifw8199]

Apparently I picked a great time to start watching these podcasts. Can't wait to see who else you've had the pleasure of talking with on this channel

[@soundman2604]

Lex, that was a great interview. I wish every interviewer was as patient as you are. It seems like majority of the hosts love to hear themself speak than actually learn something. Thank you!

[@joshuadreha6304]

Lost count the amount of times I've come back to rewatch this. Sir Roger Penrose reminds me of my granddad.. minus the noble prize, degrees, intelligence, theories, mathematical genius. Think it's the accent and comb over tbh

[@cristianorentroia6607]

One of the best interviews with Roger i have seen. Congratulations!

[@QED_]

@Cristiano Rentroia: Yes. Penrose steps through the totality of his interests and their development here . . . in a comprehensive way that I've never seen him do in a dozen other interviews. How does that happen (?) Does Fridman provide some kind of intellectual space that uniquely facilitates Penrose doing that (?) Very interesting . . .

[@joeimbesi99]

Penrose is one of my Physics Heros..but more importantly an amazing ,humble human who's stretched his mind into other areas...loved this.

[@vhawk1951kl]

The "humility" was plainly no more than an act, and positively oozed dishonesty.

[@joeimbesi99]

@@vhawk1951kl your patheric

[@niccijay4683]

@@vhawk1951kl Your lacking of humility shows how much substance your comments carry in relation to the subject. It seems all your intereted in is commenting absolute gibberish about this man. Penrose seems to live rent free in your head for some reason. Either way no one is going to take anything you say seriously, remind us what you have contributed to science, nothing, no one knows who you are, meanwhile Penrose will be remembered for centuries due to the insight he has gifted the world. You are a sad human being.

[@SHmusic_forever]

Wow to the whole interview. Wow to the Penroses pondering on the big bang and before. Explaining how infinity with lightwaves and adding two equations of Planck and Einstein with energi, mass and freqeuncy leads to lightwaves having no mass and no frequency enters infinity and " an new place". Just beautiful.

[@ALifeWellSteved]

This conversation is a gift truly! Thank you! Helps a lot. I’ve been thinking about bounded infinity! Also when he talks about photons moving through infinity from one universal manifestation to the next, seems like an interesting beginning of a working theory for “imagination”

[@_indrid_cold_]

This conversation is quite literally capable of being life changing. A staggering display of intellect, experience and a masterclass in living the scientific method. Listening to this makes me believe that just maybe humans stand a chance of survival; no easy feat.

[@_Skim_Beeble]

This channel is like Joe Rogan without the weed, questioning the nature of everything is what rational people do. Thanks Lex for keeping us sane during these crazy times.

[@bernardd]

Rogan has interviewed Penrose but he could only barely scratch some of the topics. It's not really Rogan's fault. Penrose demands an interviewer who has the background to at least learn about the notions being discussed. Lex did a very good job here.

[@anxiousmindmusic]

Still plenty of weed being smoked while listening to Lex... Definitely a different tone but you can still feel how much he has been inspired in stye by Joe. The end result is great either way.

[@chetan5848]

Wow, Penrose! What a high-quality conversation!

[@viggipedia]

Yay thank you Lex for giving us quality conversations while we are shut in.

[@jakecarlo9950]

Of the handful of conversations I’ve seen with sir Roger, this one elicits his fascination with Godel’s proof and his intuitionist reading of it - which appears to be to be much more in line with Godel’s own interpretation of his results - most clearly. Thanks to the host for providing him room for this to come out more fully.

[@CozminVasile]

I now come back to this gem more and more often and I listen to it either to fall asleep or to have my morning coffee in the incredible company of Penrose. How smooth it sways between topics and thoughts and problems that swirls your mind. I, somtetimes to put the headphones on and max the volume to listen closer some passages, like finding new harmonies in a concerto.

[@Laurencemardon]

Oh look the nerd herd!!

[@eddohan]

The part(around 28:10) about the female Elephant leader making a detour to give respect(or greetings or whatever) to her fallen sister made my eye's water...thats so beautifull. Edit: The rest is pretty hard to grasp and put into picture. Nice and relaxed podcast!

[@zollol6786]

Thank you for this interview, Lex. Is it possible for you to interview more mathematicians and physicists within the context of artificial intelligence? I like these outsider perspectives after all "computer science" did start off as a branch of mathematics. Gregory Chaitin is also someone I'd like to see on your show. Thanks again.

[@henrydavidpurple8323]

Man I’m so glad I gave your podcast a shot. You are excellent at your interviews. Thank you.

[@neutron417]

One of the most intellectual and deep conversations to exist in this channel

[@JohnCoughlan1]

Roger Penrose never disappoints. He simplifies complexity for such as myself to grasp at least something new every time I watch him speak.

[@Rossion64]

That was a fantastic interview. Sir Roger is exceptional

[@panosnord9978]

Congrats to Roger Penrose on winning the Nobel prize! I am honored to have written a chapter about him on my thesis project.

[@qdav5]

@ Panos Nordium - I don't know the subject of your thesis, but if you dedicated an entire chapter to Roger Penrose, then I'm certain it was well considered and well done. Congrats to you, too!

[@rihards5067]

Lex ,i recently discovered your videos. It's been a wonderful delight to listen an intelligent content in times when media seems to reward the opposite.

[@Myiata1979]

One thing is understand complicated equations and keep them for ourselves.Other thing is to understand all this complex problems and spell them out to the masses with so much clarity.What an amazing mind Penrose have!!A rare diamond!

[@shawmanlove]

Penrose is so down to earth. He truly gives weight to the cliche while traversing the rugged terrain. I loved this interview Lex. You help all of us to expand our mind and gain courage to speak our truth. The truth that is squeezed out of each of us by way of the early onset of controlled learning environments. I am grateful I was able to maintain many of the simple truths of life from early infancy. That I’ve been able to experience truths as well as see and witness mind blowing realities here and now. Part of unlocking the consciousness is to not justify it away. When you know you are experiencing the interaction with a highly intelligent and sentient being don’t shy away. Don’t become fearful. Let go of preconceived notions of your childhood when our truest forms and expressions of intelligence were marginalized and replaced with conformity to raise workers ants for the colony. We do not need to indulge in mushrooms and other psychedelics to achieve this reality. We are already well equipped with the knowledge and abilities to engage inter-terrestrial life which is present and amongst all of today and have been long before our reemergence. Stop looking for shiny space ships and grays. The intelligence that is amongst us is far more advanced and adapted to travel they we can or are willing in large part to comprehend. Your work gives me courage to speak my truth without fear. I am grateful for the platform you provide.

[@devrim-oguz]

Man got a course from Dirac himself! No surprise he is such a legend. Somehow great minds tend to influence each other.

[@garrisjones7476]

I love that his immediate answer to the standard Lex finale was “All I would say, is that it’s not a stupid question.” What a beautiful person. Really great conversation, thank you for sharing it with us Lex!

[@qunningStunts]

9:00 in and an 88 year old has fundamentally changed the way I view consciousness when related to A.I. It's silly, this many years into following the subject, I've never heard it put in a way that was so fundamentally to-the-point than the philosophical fork he just laid before us. If only the adeptus mechanicus was truly a thing.

[@problemistatist]

qunningStunts I’m building an ad mech army as we speak. They refuse to convert their plasticity into consciousness sadly.

[@Sedat028]

Penrose is so underrated

[@robertpaulson4151]

Penrose is one of the most brilliant physicists around. Thank you for the interview Lex Fridman. Much love and respect to you. Take care everyone!

[@Ly0n64]

Really, Thank you for this Lex. This was a really beautiful talk in many ways. Very much appreciated.

[@northcotemallory9968]

Wow-One of the best interviews I've even seen!

[@chetan5848]

Dear Lex, please bring in Demis Hassabis for an interview!

[@danflanagan9536]

Would be awesome to get him on to explain how AlphaGo works.

[@francisdebriey3609]

The purpose of life is no other than being the experience of the universe, being its consciousness. The universe, the creation, or call it God, is unique, is ONE . It's me, you, your child, your dog, the forrest, the hill, the sun, all suns, all galaxies. This ALL has invented consciousness to be the eyes witnessing his own existence. This is your personal purpose: be a witness through experience. Consciousness and experience are the same thing, like matter and energy, like energy and frequency, like matter and frequency. I love Roger for his gigantic openness.

[@En_Pissant]

I really love this man, even though I can’t truly grasp what he is talking about a lot of the time. Nice to see someone so brilliant remain humble, curious, and honest.

[@thishandleistacken]

If you wanna get into physics (general relativity, quantum theory, how the universe began, what reality is etc) if you're not already somewhat knowledgeable I highly recommend the book/audiobook Astrophysics For People In a Hurry by Neil DeGrasse Tyson (an abridged version of an earlier 2004 book Origins: Fourteen Billion Years of Cosmic Evolution. Also the video Quantum Fields: The Real Building Blocks of the Universe on The Royal Institute's page and the series of videos in chronological order on the page The History of The Universe are fantastic. When it comes to the neuroscience read into Penfield and Brenda Milner and their study of memory/hallucinations as well as Scoville's experiments. If you want more resources lemme know.

[@MyNameIsCheyne]

I got more out of this than any other podcast/interview ever 💯 thank you -