Roger Waters Pros and Cons BBC Interview 1984

[@jnananinja7436]

Wrote the Wall and Pros&Cons concurrently.. 😱 Waters is a certifiable genius. And this album is one of my favorites of his.

[@rustyshackleford4761]

He presented both the wall and cons to them and they chose the wall.

[@HarryP-lm6yk]

@@rustyshackleford4761 part of me wishes that floyd chose pros and cons instead, just to hear what it’d be like.

[@johnharrison9685]

At 12:45, the mentioned “vision” of one person guiding the project at hand, i.e. the creator of the work at hand is the one that is supposed to guide the rest of the musicians in order to complete or accomplish the artistic vision of the creator/writer. This is what Clapton understood and told Waters “tell me what you want me to do.” And, this is what freaking Gilmour never understood and chose to argue and attempt to interject his opinions (which usually weren’t very good) which led to friction between Waters.

[@lonegroover]

I remember listening to this in 1984, and hadn't heard it since! Thanks

[@stuarthouse-w6o]

yeah.... kinda grabs ya by the boo boo, when you hear the lyric sung ''ENGINES!!'' that said , i really do think it was the lamborgini.

[@poppyd517]

Well, there are Pros and Cons about Roger himself, since he´s a very complicated personality, but i guess this is the Topic with extraordinary, gifted people. And i believe he´s a Genius! Oh i love listening to his voice in this interview and the way he explains what he´s going through…. The division of PF, the Separation.... standing suddelny alone…. It must have been a huge terrible impact in his private and musician life. It literally hurts listening to it. 😩😩😩 Thank You so much "Mudman" for Posting. A very precious Audio! 👍

[@pts5217]

Completely agree. He is truly one of the all-time great writers in rock. An bona fide genius. However, he did seem to be quite angry and difficult in his youth. Funny thing is how he has mellowed significantly in his older age while Gilmour seems to have only grown bitter and impenetrably stubborn in his older age...still blocks Waters from any access to official Pink Floyd online content...but many ppl still view Waters as difficult and Gilmour as kind and enlightened

[@poppyd517]

@@pts5217 Yeah, i see it same way. They seem to have changed both, each in the direction you told. And YES, Dave´s stubborness makes me angry. In this point, he has not matured at all....(1-0 for Roger and a reason to love him more! :)

[@rossmrmojorisin9579]

Very talented man and that will never be taken . Radio kAOS IS ALSO IN MY VOCABULARY.

[@sodh]

in this interview he clear things out a lot... clearly the end of pink floyd had to do with control of the band

[@chromedreamer]

Classic Roger!

[@tiarara2011]

Thank You Mudman!!! Your "The Greatest" when it comes to Pink Floyd, my favorite band all my life!! But you share so much of your Floyd Treasures with us Fans that I really wanted to Thank You, and let you know how Greatly Appreciated it is!!! Thanks Again!!!! Ray!!

[@Quietriot1970]

His solo stuff is Amazing ! He is a Lyrical Genius like Bob Dylan. 💘

[@MeatyCoon]

Not nearly as good as Dylan or Cohen.

[@erksworld9661]

This is really interesting because I have a different edit of the same interview recorded onto tape directly off Radio 1 in 1984. Your version has a fair few things which mine doesn't, such as the racism references and Roger's dislike of music marketing trends etc. I haven't listened to mine for years but it has some content which is missing from yours -- I remember when Skinner talks about the other band members having done their solo albums ten years ago, before asking, "What was that album where you all did one side each...?" Roger replies, "Ummagumma. What a disaster!" Also then there's when Roger says, "Back in the old days, we tried to have hit singles. There were a number of attempts... one called Apples and Oranges which Syd wrote... and another which I wrote, or maybe Dave and I wrote it, called Point Me At The Sky..." He goes on to recount some of PMATS's bizarre lyrics before saying "...it became clear that we were just no bloody good at it!" They then play the whole of Point Me At The Sky, the only copy which I have of it. I will make a point of posting my interview here some time in future. Watch this space...

[@tiarara2011]

Please don't forget to Post your Recorded Interview?!!?.......I would love to hear the Song, etc.....I saw this Tour in Philly with Clapton, and this is my favorite of Roger's Solos!!

[@whisperzone9102]

Erk Sworld I believe the clip about 'no bloody good at it' appears in the 1994 documentary The Story of Pink Floyd

[@erksworld9661]

Ben: OK, haven't seen that one, will try to find it and take a look (I guess it's on youtube somewhere?). Ray: I have an MP3 of the interview but it's from years back and parts of it are distorted due to the poor recording I made from my original tape. But, I just found that tape in our cellar today so will make an effort to get it re-digitised and uploaded soon. Sorry for the wait.

[@tiarara2011]

Erk Sworld That is awesome Erk!! Glad you found your Original, when you get a chance, I';d love to see it!! Thank You for the Reply!!

[@AliciaB.]

@@erksworld9661 please please pleeeease post it

[@roydagger]

This was such a great interview. Sounds great being in stereo. Vinyl rip?? Thanx for the upload

[@MK-nn7gm]

At 2:50-3:00 he wasn’t lying

[@obcession]

I saw this show in Chicago w Clapton Fantastic!

[@Sept-qu7hs]

Me too. Saw Gilmour a month earlier. It was a great summer.

[@nillehessy]

i got 2 demos one´s a solo one´s for the band fucking amazing

[@tiarara2011]

I'd love to hear those nillehessy!! This was my favorite of the solo albums, just Love Clapton's Guitar throughout!! Saw this show Live in Philly when he toured with Clapton.......Are those Demos available to buy?? Or are they on KZbin anywhere?? Gotta be awesome!!! Congrats!!!!

[@nillehessy]

Ray R i don´t have those demos i was refering to what waters said btw i´m jealous you saw that show it´s a masterpiece just as the wall is and i allways had a feeling they were connected cheerio

[@BenCulture]

nillehessy The two albums are connected. The first melody of _Pros and Cons_ is a soft, quiet version in C major of "In the Flesh" which is in A, but relatively the same melody. There are other similarities, such as the bridge to "Mother" coming up with other words.

[@tiarara2011]

Ben Culture Interesting Ben! I didn't know all of that!! Thanks! Appreciate any kind of info like that!! Thanks Niles, yes it was an Excellent Show!! Wish there was a Full Video of the Tour here on KZbin!!

[@BenCulture]

Ray R Oh, thank you! Now I also remember, the instrumental intro of "Go Fishing" quotes melodies from "The Fletcher Memorial Home" and "Your Possible Pasts".

[@peacok01]

Best ‘Pink Floyd’ album.

[@keithleeuwen877]

Great !

[@stuarthouse-w6o]

everyone should treat them selves to the waters geesan album music from the body too. i spoke to geason (excuse spelling) at a floyd convention in the mid 90's , he had nothing but praise for Roger.

[@thecannetwork7559]

Can I just check, who was the artist and what’s the album called?

[@Swat-ed5bt]

Roger is a genius. He was the pink Floyd 💕

[@awol2602]

Indeed he was; they all were.

[@sq1tl]

He wasn’t Pink Floyd, Pink Floyd was Pink Floyd

[@Ballardian]

That's overstating it, but we certainly wouldn't have those masterpiece PF albums without him.

[@charlesdickinson7470]

Roger Waters Pros and Clapton PINK FLOYD \ GOD/ Geffen

[@damiankirkwood7924]

lol iwas kinda doing it already they were just called Pink Floyd records...really diminishing the amazing talent and contributions of his bandmates

[@rustyshackleford4761]

Lol He was writing most of the songs

[@damiankirkwood7924]

@@rustyshackleford4761 yea but if you listen to DGs first solo record you can hear pieces that made there way into some of the albums

[@Ballardian]

Does sound a bit that way, but I'm hoping he just meant that in terms of writing, concepts and expressing himself he was able to do so in the context of the group.

[@John_Doe643]

Wow he was a lot less left wing back then.

[@jaybyhop]

He was still very left wing, but back then it wasn't taboo to mock feminists.

[@chewiepeanut]

thought the same thing...

[@jonkaz746]

Feminists were conservatives back then.

[@das_it_mane]

If you think the left wing fully supports 3rd wave feminists (or satanic panic & pearl clutching back then), you've unfortunately been sorely misguided. The left is mainly about economic policy. The only reason all these movements appear on the left is because conservatives are assholes who reject anyone too different while the left does not and is more inclusive. If anything, they take away from the class issues (the real struggle that affects us all) by latching onto social issues (a niche struggle that only affects a subsect)

[@Trist805]

I respect Roger more, now, than ever. He is one of the few truth tellers of our time.

[@Battleaxeangel]

4:30 6:30

[@kidcharlemagne7238]

nice answer Roger, all that crap about a sexist cover, just bollocks, Just look at the Renaissance art revival, where would we be without that? The beauty of any human being is always gonna be popular, so get over it chix!!

[@orthoooo]

The Human League? Really? @14:00

[@amazinglarry9943]

Did Roger fart at 5:37?

[@sirts1]

Do your farts sound like that?

[@amazinglarry9943]

@@sirts1 Only the one I call The Balloon Knot Special. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYbFg6dnq5t7l9ksi=FE2RoipRCzr1m7f5

[@bathory231]

yes. I wish I could smell that

[@jdavidrhea]

Poor Roger. Such a genius, but such a blowhard about his superiority, but he blew it and now he’s STILL whining about Gilmour not allowing him back in the band. Boo boo.

[@ralphiecifaretto8961]

Lol, no he isn't! He is bigger than Pink Floyd at this point.

[@peteytwofinger]

@@ralphiecifaretto8961 he has a lot more money than DG thats for sure . that and the respect of his fan base who know whats up . he also has spoken in front of the UN and worked hard to institute some change in the world ... thats something to be proud of . rather than hiring a crew to refurbish your hotel your rich 1 percenter buddy gives you during the lockdown which is what DG did recently . DG has turned into a 1 percenter . RW = man of the people b ut he is 100 million richer than /DG .

[@husq48]

Was Roger playing dumb here, he really is clueless on sexism???

[@HomeAtLast501]

She's way too skinny.

[@Quietriot1970]

Lolol some of us are naturally slim deal with it 💋dont be a hater look after yourself save the negatively its not a good trait !😊

[@HomeAtLast501]

@@Quietriot1970 I'm actually slim myself. I don't eat any processed foods whatsoever, no fast food, no desserts. I make my own whole wheat bread, and eat only whole grains. I eat TONS of vegetables, and rotate my proteins daily, making sure to alternate from meal to meal from beef, chicken, fish, nuts, tofu, home made veggie burgers, and beans. I don't put sugar in my coffee even. And the only beverages I drink are water and orange juice, and I cut the orange juice 50/50 with water to keep the sugar content balanced. She's too skinny, and you're annoyingly presumptuous and didactic --- very unappealing and grating traits.

[@HomeAtLast501]

Also, that "LOL" stuff was old 5 years ago. Let it go.

[@booberry6715]

HAH! Who would've thought that Roger Waters, Mr. Lefty himself fell victim to the Social Justice brigade back in the early 80's?! Classic karma. I love your music, Rog, but you had this coming. XD

[@roycegrubic2620]

It is a poorly produced and musically ill-conceived album, with the loud female backup vocals (“ooh babe,” etc.) and Clapton’s obnoxious noodling (one of the low spots of his career), yet it’s still kind of absorbing. The gentler parts work the best.

[@abalt3019]

I love the fact that it is that way. It keeps your ear from getting too comfortable. Much like the conceptual dreaming idea. Most dreams are jarring. This isn’t Slow Hand. 😆

[@andrewhaines8603]

I like Clapton on this. The long version of Layla is just dull, pointless guitar noodling! We used to have a joke at work that if you were going somewhere you could use it as a distance measure, " oh it's about 3 Layla's West of here!"

[@asmahism]

@@andrewhaines8603 I think this is claptons best playing! I agree Layla noodling is boring. Just mowing the lawn in the hot sun. But with a guitar.

[@peteytwofinger]

yeah that first Roizt Grabzdicks album is much much better . focused as EF and talk about not noodely .

[@Albee213]

Roger Waters is a musical genius, and that's the problem. He thinks its his way or the high way and that's why he almost killed Pink Floyd. Waters music only emphasize the problems with life. There is never anything positive except "The Tide Is Turning (After Live Aid)". I like all Pink Floyd records but the least enjoyable are Animals, The Wall and The Final Cut. They are depressing whine fests that offer little enjoyment except the great music. After saying that, those three records are good and I listen to them often. However true Pink Floyd to me is Atom Heart Mother, Dark Side, Wish You Where here and The Division Bell. Not to exclude the other ones because David Gilmours On An Island is fantastic.

[@sirmoanalot3779]

‘The Wall’ is one of the greatest albums to ever be written. It’s still got “Floyd” splattered all over it but has a bitter sweet cynicism and mental health overtones throughout to display Rogers insecurity’s and separation from the band. ‘Animals’ is phenomenal, musically. I also love the tone of the theme and lyrics. ‘The Final Cut’ is a piece that has grown on me over the years to the point that I would count that as my top 5 Floyd albums. It’s not too “Floydian” but it’s very special, I feel. I do agree that there aren’t many “Perky” Roger Waters songs. The issue I have with Dave Gilmours work is that it doesn’t have any edge or bite. It’s dreamy, melodic and sounds beautiful but it doesn’t have anything to say. That’s why Pink Floyd were the full package when they all pulled together as team.

[@calvinharbson4293]

Yeah, okay 👌🤣

[@7029100]

@@sirmoanalot3779 I do agree with you. I would just add that after Roger left the only album keeping a certain edge is A Momentary Lapse of Reason. I tend to believe that somewhat the influence of Roger if not some ideas, were still at hand.

[@andrewhaines8603]

@@sirmoanalot3779 if you've caught any of David's recent stuff on KZbin, whilst it's "beautiful" and mellow, it's a total dullfest! Roger was the chalk to David's cheese if you like.

[@das_it_mane]

Well you certainly are entitled to an opinion lol

[@jonathansmith4742]

Roger’s ego is sickening. The reason Pink Floyd’s so successful is the music not the lyrics. This is why Roger’s solo songs don’t sell. The sales he does get are solely due to Pink Floyd’s fame. Without Pink Floyd’s band members creating the music Roger is a failure as a music creator.

[@Swat-ed5bt]

Bull

[@jonathansmith4742]

@@Swat-ed5bt spot on actually.

[@das_it_mane]

@@jonathansmith4742 both Gilmour and Waters were better together. But what you said is greatly exaggerated.

[@jonathansmith4742]

@@das_it_mane what great song has Roger made since leaving Pink Floyd decades ago? I can name many Floyd hits without Roger. It’s because David G. was the true talent.

[@ralphiecifaretto8961]

@@jonathansmith4742 lol, Gilmour brought in a team of songwriters to replace Waters, dum dum.

[@ReneAlexisPenalozaMunoz]

Waters as a white rich man will never understand a lot of things.

[@7029100]

so you accuse him of prejudice using a prejudice

[@zigmonger6646]

... and you are so enlightened why???

[@Quietriot1970]

He understands too much ! 😄

[@scottread]

...do your back a favour and drop that huge chip you carry on your shoulder.

[@cosminpricop921]

that's just trolling, isn't it kiddo? throwing "statements" like this with no... proof. not even giving an example about what the heck you're trying to express...