Battle of the Budget 2011s! | Tisas - MAC - LFA

[@ashtonfoy5450]

Bro. This is the review everyone has been waiting on. Thank you!!

[@TheAmerican1963]

It sucks when you buy a gun and it has problems. But, like the Prodigy, first editions always have "teething" problems. I was lucky to have bought my Prodigy 4.25 in December of '23 and it was made in August of '23. Had zero problems with it. Obviously, a gun manufacturer does not want unsafe/ troublesome weapons. So to those with problems, be patient. Never before has the industry been this awesome. They WANT to fix problems. In particular with something as competitive as the "Double stack" market. Great video, as usual. Thorough and educational ...... that is your brand, Mr. Barrera !!!!!!! Thorough and educational !!!!!!!!!! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@RogerBarrera]

Appreciate that man. Thank you for taking the time to watch the video and leave some kind words. It means a lot to us. We definitely look forward to seeing the Apollo 11 back on the channel once it is over.

[@Bourbonlegend1990]

Boo springfield....they aren't 2A friendly.

[@LosDoyerss]

The Prodigy is made pretty subpar with cast metals unlike other 1911’s that are forged. Not worth the 1,500 dollar price tag.

[@leftyo9589]

@@LosDoyerss not cast, MIM. they are different.

[@celphalonred1999]

​@@Bourbonlegend1990 non of them are. Least they all make us guns

[@deadagn7169]

this is one of the better reviews that ive seen as you showed everything from malfunctions to tolerances

[@RogerBarrera]

Thanks, appreciate you checking out the video.

[@javiersp01]

I love it when guns are tested from the bench at 25 yards. Well done guys. 👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@Rhamlin7]

Finally someone. This review is gonna go up up up! In views

[@RogerBarrera]

We hope so, thanks for watching!

[@Highgear145]

Nice explanation of the bushing and bull barrel

[@RogerBarrera]

Thanks I will let Landon know, we appreciate the feedback and checking out the video.

[@Clockwork0nions]

Tisas remains undefeated.

[@OregonBladez]

The Apollo grip is 3D printed, it looks like a great firearm but I'm glad I went with the MAC.

[@terrorform242]

3D printing should only be used for prototyping & proof of concept for the designers imo.

[@70bonnevilleguy53]

​@@terrorform2421000 rounds and it never gave me a problem

[@2238945gbs]

Thank you Roger for the hard work to make this video. I am doing my research on these 3 for a future purchase, and this video allowed me to get a lot of info all at one time; so it greatly helped me. In my opinion, the Apollo looks the best to my eye, however this and other reviews I have seen have shown the MAC DS to be a great performer. Plus it would be a nice cousin to my MAC JSOC. Thank you Roger!

[@SEAKPhotog]

The closest you can come to a Staccato without paying Staccato money is a Bul SAS II Tac 4.25. I have both. The Bul is an amazing value.

[@deenyc1049]

I have a Staccato P and I’m trying to get the new Ultralight Pro. I’ve shot the Buls and they’re great.

[@brooktech7869]

They are exactly the same price range

[@humpy936]

Thank you for the great video review, I bought the Tisas B9R double stack before I even saw this video, out the door for $588. I don’t think I can go wrong, I’m going down to my dealer to pick it up today, looking forward to shooting it.😊

[@mitchelperkins6723]

As a pistolsmith, I'll build bull of bushing pistols. My take is if the bushing wears to the point of unacceptable accuracy, fitting a new undersize bore, oversize OD bushing will restore accuracy. Once a bull wears the barrel and slide, it's more costly to have to buy and fit another match bull barrel. To each their own. I have competition pistols built both ways and they all have round counts above 100,000 since built. The bushing gun had had 2new bushings fit during that time with the original barrel I built them with. I've had to replace the bull barrel one time, but at way more expense than redoing bushings

[@TheAmerican1963]

I am far from a "competitor", but what your saying makes sense. I never thought of that. 👍👍👍👍

[@kellym3531]

Bull barrels are lazy manufacturers that cut out steps in the manufacturing process to save money and made up a good story to have you pay extra for the "upgrade. "

[@gregbrakefield7286]

I agree with you on the Bushing. I purchased a new Tisas 1911 Carry SS45 and the bushing to barrel fit was a little loose to my liking. I measured the OD of the Barrel and the ID of the Bushing Bore in the slide and ordered an EGW Gunsmith Fit Carry Bevel Angle Bore Bushing. EGW machined the Bushing to match my dimensions and the resulting accuracy was phenomenal.

[@michaell397]

@@gregbrakefield7286 I did the same and the results were fantastic! KnifeMaker

[@LosDoyerss]

The majority of people are not going to shoot 100k rounds.

[@candidob8683]

This was a very well made review. Most people have to stretch their funds make every dollar count. The average Joe can grab any one of these and make upgrades as they wish. Most guys can't buy a Ferrari but a Mustang is far more accessible and can be upgraded as time goes. These options seem to be in that later category. And I'm sure there are plenty off the shelf upgrades for these. Again, a well done review which most can appreciate.

[@RogerBarrera]

Thank you! Really appreciate you taking the time to check it out and leave us some kind words. Means a lot to us. Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@Undercover-OG]

Hell i can’t buy any of these I live in Cali!!! Damn it

[@richardwilliams9815]

Just bought the Apollo 11. The 3d printed grip module broke on mine and had the exact same problem. Had a spare prodigy grip module and fitted it to the Apollo 11. Runs fine.

[@RogerBarrera]

Oh dang, that’s good info! Appreciate the heads up! We’ll update everyone with what we hear from LFA about ours. Thanks for checking out the video!

[@mmisk9547]

My Apollo had the same trigger hang issue. The trigger bar was moving inside the grip and hanging on the magazine. They replaced the grip and mainspring and it fixed the problem.

[@RogerBarrera]

Super good to hear! Thanks for the info.

[@charlesholsen9706]

My Apollo compact had this problem as well, sent it back two weeks ago and still have yet get it back.

[@mmisk9547]

The gun definitely has some growing pains but they will get it right.

[@matthewleisenring6660]

I find it funny that you used a Tisas, as well as the MAC 9 DS. I was researching the MAC 9 DS, and this is in the description: "Designed by Military Armament Corporation here in Knoxville, TN and built by Tisas to our exacting standards"

[@bshoots-YT]

Love to see other companies getting people into the 2011/DS 1911 platform. Great vid Roger and team! Actually love the opinions from the 3 of you throughout the vid 🤘 all great and educated shooters

[@sg51psd04]

Love the Budget 2011s. Side bar, just got my 6th holster from you guys in the mail that I ordered on April 5. It is PERFECT. Tiffany Blue Kydex with Blue Komodo cotton wrap, for my P07 with 7A light. perfect fit and it is GORGEOUS. Thanks guys for the fast turn around time way under you 4-6wk lead time. Been wearing it all day since noon when i grabbed it from the mail box

[@RogerBarrera]

Right on! Thank you for support. We greatly appreciate that. We’ve had some new molding come in, which is definitely helped us speed up our lead time. We are actually down to 2 to 4 weeks right now on the website for custom holsters, which is awesome. Thank you again we appreciate everything!

[@sg51psd04]

@@RogerBarrera Awesome thats great the lead time is down!

[@aaronjohnson7581]

This. This is the video we've all been wanting to see. Thanks gents, I think I've made up my mind on what's replacing the P320 since I really don't want to shell out the money for a 226 X5 Legion.

[@kasper_429]

Dang, I was looking at the LFA Apollo 11 as a "beginner" 2011-style pistol. Looking forward to the update video and what LFA says was going on with your gun. I haven't seen that particular issue in other videos on it, just ammo-related and magazine-related stuff. I think I'm just gonna send it and get a Springfield Prodigy. It's a little more than the LFA, but the newer Prodigies don't seem to be having the problems that plagued them at launch a couple years ago. It's also the only 2011-style pistol (besides Staccato themselves) that comes with an optic plate system (that I know of) so you're not tied to just one red dot.

[@jerestolp02]

Get the mac 9 ds not the prodigy

[@kasper_429]

@@jerestolp02 Yeah I thought about that too. It has an RMR cut, right? I could put an SRO on it with that. I wanted an Acro cut or a plate system so I could have both, but oh well.

[@killacoiler1707]

@RogerBarrera I think a better way to look at the B9r DS is that they purposely built that gun with Carry in mind and that is why it has the RMR/C footprint instead of the fullsize competition biased RMR cut like the MAC. That would also explain the GI style dust cover and guide rod, and the bushing barrel style which saves on weight on the beltline. That would be my assumption anyways. Great Video guys thank you. Love those Turkish pistols probably best value on market today IMO.

[@mattrobinson1803]

I definitely want to see a full video of the Mac 9 ds. I just ordered one based off of the reviews I’ve seen. It’ll be my first 2011. You’re my go to for 2011 reviews.

[@pauliePwalnuts]

Your edits with the splits on screen are great, and I appreciate the effort put into displaying the info.

[@RogerBarrera]

I appreciate that! Thanks!

[@Average_Joe_Arms]

I have 3,500 rds through my LFA Apollo 11 now and it's run amazing, got plenty of videos on it , very accurate, everything I've done to it was preference not necessary, but changing the recoil spring to a 9lb was game changing lol

[@RogerBarrera]

Heck yeah, that’s good to hear. Hopefully we can get ours back and have a similar experience.

[@hopewilliams6705]

I really want the Apollo compact

[@johnbrewer8882]

Man I do want a 5" just so that I can get that flush aesthetic look with the x300 Turbo. I think the Tisas should have a X300 for added weight on the front, a bit unfair for the others to have on. Also, I'd be interested to see how the Tisas would do if it had a bull barrel like in the LFA. At the price point you could certainly add one and be under one of the other pistols. Big OOF on those LFA malfunctions, but that grouping looked good when you shot them standing, not so much on the bench. The Tisas was the only one without malfunctions thus far and that bench zero group is amazing for the price point and non bull barrel. It might be due to the fact that it has the bushing. But for the price, you can't beat that. I imagine it will be smoothed out even more after a few thousand rounds. I'd likely add a bull barrel, maybe a better trigger, get a proper spring. Seems like a winner.

[@RogerBarrera]

I definitely did like the Tisas, and I agree I wish that it had an X300 as well, but that was one of the cons about the Tisas. We talk about it in the full video on the B9R DS. The rail that they utilize is not long enough to put a full-size weapon light on. That’s why it did not have an X300. We are working on custom keys that will allow for full-size lights to work on their very short rail. The other issue is that since the rail is so short, the two side clamping pieces are only making contact with about 60%. I hope that makes sense. Thanks for watching!

[@johnbrewer8882]

@@RogerBarrera man I hadn't watched the other video, that's bonkers. I may wait for the full length rail that they will inevitably release as not having a full size light is a non-starter for me. I wonder if the Modlite PL350 has the same issue?

[@ThisShitDontFlush]

Throw on a Briley oribital barrel bushing and check the shot groups.

[@nedkarp8468]

What about the Girsan 2311 or the Rock Island?

[@ForceRecon112]

went with a mac, swapped the trigger to a medium length atlas, swapped the springs for atlas and this thing shoots like a budget friendly dream

[@JustinLaFleur1990]

The full size Tisas is able to mount a fullsize light. Just some food for thought there.

[@getrippt]

The Mac mounts my tlr1 just fine.

[@domingomercado8340]

We're waiting for a second video. 👍 what worries me is the Apollo, I've been looking for one. Great video 👍 not everyone. Can afford a staccato.

[@Thomas-vt7cz]

Hey once again Roger I watched this video again and I have decided on my project pistol I was undecided for a minute but watching this has helped me big time on my decision. That you guys very much... Damn good content! Oh, tell Marco to loosen up a bit, Lol... 😎

[@LVbibby]

Good video thanks! Looking forward to an update with a different grip module on the Apollo; have heard the prodigy grip may work, but I'm thinking metal it will be interesting to see what you come up with hey oh!

[@spencerwarren9219]

After watching this very happy i went with the springfield prodigy 4.25 for my edc. I now see this diffrences. Still to get a 2011 under 1000 on all these models is impressive to say the least. Great job guys to show people they can get into a 2011 under $1000 bucks which is the most impressive thing. But would rather drop another $500 for a prodigy. I def would have to have a bull barrel. You guys explained the advantage great. I learned something about my prodigy bull barrel today thanks to you guys.to note to all none 2011 owenrs. You have no clue what u are missing. On another note the tisas i dont like the frame not matching the slide at end like you guys meantioned plus no bull barrel. The mac 9 seemed to be the best i think without shooting. If they make a 5 inch might get the mac9ds

[@motoracerx1418]

I'm having the same issues with my 2 day old Apollo 11 4.25". This video helped me to understand the trigger situation. I couldn't quite describe it when it happens to me. You definitely have to have a tight upper grip on the grip safety. I've ran about 500 rds of Maxxtech 124, Remington UMC 115 and 124 and Blazer 115 combined. For some reason, UMC 115 ran perfect. Blazer had 1 or 2 light primer strikes, UMC 124 had 6 LPS's and Maxxtech 124's wouldn't run worth crap. I'm talking 30 LPS's and about 10 FTF's in 150 rounds. I'll shoot LFA an email and get ready to send it back. I was aware of the 5" issues but was hoping that they had been worked out in the 4.25". Great vid guys.

[@RogerBarrera]

Thanks man! I appreciate you checking out the video and I’m glad it helped you out with any issues on yours. Please update us with what they tell you. Thanks again.

[@ebkbk9902]

Ventura munitions is awesome my favorite gun shop in Vegas hands down!!

[@kasper_429]

If MAC/Tisas comes out with a full-size/5" version of that MAC9 DS, as well as other optic plates (like you said), I'd buy that in a heartbeat! If LFA works out the issues and the fit & finish of the Apollo 11, I'd buy that too. I hope they do because I love the looks of that one the best. Looks aren't everything, though. Function over form any day.

[@RogerBarrera]

I definitely agree with everything you said my man! Thanks for checking out the video!

[@kasper_429]

@@RogerBarrera No problemo Roger! Looking forward to the update video on the Apollo.

[@surgeeclipse6323]

Great review......No light on the Tisas as opposed to the other 2??????? On initial shots....

[@nathanielwarren721]

I have the Tisas b9r Ds and I have an x300 on it thanks to QVO Tactical adapter!

[@M0onM0nkey]

Amazing in depth review of the budgets, maybe in the future mid tiers..prodigy, bul tac 4.25, staccato P...or higher unobtainable for us poors tier..atlas, tti, legion or infinity

[@12Bungo]

As always, you guys are great with your reviews..More power to all of you!! 👌👌👌👏👏👏

[@seandaniels6392]

The Apollo can be a very very good pistol, but you have to massage it a bit to get it there. The first thing I noticed on both of mine was they were WAY under sprung. Something your guys also commented on. Those FTF’s will go away quickly with the right spring weight. I have two full size and found that one preferred a 13# whereas the other liked a 12#. The next thing is the grip module. It’s junk. Gets soft and spongy in the hands after heavy use. Has gritty trigger bar channels, etc. Nice thing is, Staccato gen1 grips fit nice and the gen 2 will fit with a bit more work to the grip. But I am now running the Prodigy grip on both of mine. Very little fitting required. Internals are great on these. Not sure who makes them, but I have not found a MIM part in the internals. Safety was MIM, and it appeared that the sear pin was bashed in to get it to fit to the right side of the thumb safety. Replaced that with a single side now and a new grip safety blended into the frames nicely. They can be good guns with a little love… 😂

[@DesertTactical]

Got my Tisas 1911 DS Carry for 580 bones. Very happy with it! Awesome video, gents!

[@DustinClinkscales]

Where?

[@DesertTactical]

@@DustinClinkscales Battlehawk armory. But its even cheaper on smga.

[@GeorgeMoilanen]

great review! IMO Tisas would be my choice.

[@ChitsanaLoyha]

Thanks .. great video I just got my Mac 9

[@RogerBarrera]

Great to hear! Thank you for checking it out. We appreciate the support.

[@mgmmaze]

I had a sti eagle i ended up selling to buddy who used it for competition. That mac and tisas making me want a 2011 again

[@CDG308]

Awesome video! MAC seems to be doing a great job for the price.

[@DudeTryingStuff]

I think you missed the opportunity to point out that the MAC is actually built by Tisas.

[@RogerBarrera]

I thought that was already pretty well-known, but we will have a full video dedicated on the Mac when we do some mods to it most likely. Thanks for checking out the video.

[@DudeTryingStuff]

@@RogerBarrera Maybe it is. I'm fairly new to diving into the world of 2011's. Looking forward to the full review.

[@jerestolp02]

Its well known

[@Stiffsce]

Didn't know

[@ShenryRNBSN]

W/ love, It's understood dude. Thanks for being here though!

[@MarkPaneitz]

I totally understand the reasoning for your ammo pick,, but I wonder what the tests would be using Sig Sauer,, or Speer? Great video. Thank you. God bless.

[@horizonb1744]

Hate being that guy but i dont think you gave the apollo a fair comparison. I could be wrong but im pretty sure they ship dry and have a break in period which is probably the cause of the malfunctions

[@kgphxaz]

Great video! Very informative and helpful. Thank you

[@CA.0verview]

18:32 he just said before gripping that the scs is blooming out so you can’t dial it down the way you would to group out that far, I think you should give it a new assessment, with a red dot that could have a manual brightness adjustment.

[@RogerBarrera]

Nah, gun grouped fine for me even with that dot. If I’m getting all hits on a 6 inch circle at 25 yards I’m happy. Especially when it’s barrel bushing instead of bull barrel. The B9R DS is great in my opinion. I just don’t like that. They went with the smaller optic footprint and the shorter rail. I think for the price though it is great! Thanks for checking out the video.

[@Sonic357]

My LFA Amp did the same as the Apollo had to break it in, and it shoots fine now.

[@KartiacKID]

Very thorough analysis and testing of each gun

[@RogerBarrera]

Thanks!

[@Lookingoutthere]

The Full size Tisas DS does take a full size light it’s the smaller Carry Tisas that has a different rail that has light issues

[@TheRange7]

Superb review and look into these 3 guys, thanks

[@Police108Talk]

I have two tisas 1911 pistols both in 45acp. Fantastic pistols for the money. I have a duty and carry model. I found two lights that will fit on the short pic rail. One is the 850 lumen Nightstick full size light and the cmr-207 made by Crimson Trace. I wish they would put a full size pic rail on their 1911 carry 1911 4.25 and 2011 4.25 barrel models. I carry both as an armed security guard.

[@adrianmasera146]

Great Vid. Would love the hear what the trigger pull weights on all 3. Also any word from LFA on the issues?

[@PJ-is1jy]

Rock island armory is really the best deal and gives you the full heavy steal grip that only the highest end 2011 will give you like Atlas at close to 10 grand....

[@ryanjackson4759]

I hajve been seeing these MAC 9 DS 1911s online for $850. Probably going to get one soon, I have only ever had striker fired 9mm before.

[@ecast7135]

Would like to see a review of the Walther PDP Pro SD vs the S&W M&P polymer compact.

[@gleamtarrest6310]

There are tons & tons of vids on all those! Absolutely zero reason to keep on & on.

[@2A-J.MAY94]

I think k im get the EDC pro when it comes out from BUL armory it’s gonna be around $2,000

[@RogerBarrera]

Stay tuned 😎

[@ericwheeler8123]

Should also have a light on the Tisas, if not possible then no lights at all IMO. Effects Muzzle flip and recoil impulse.

[@RogerBarrera]

Disagree, one my complaints is that the Tisas can't take a fullsized weapon light. This shows precisely why it should have a normal length rail like the others.

[@TEXAN_SHADOW]

“I AM THE MALFUNCTION” I need that on a shirt and a Hat 😂😂😂

[@willardselvey2632]

Good video..I don't have a 2011 or ds 1911 but I'm looking at the prodigy, here's what I'm seeing..right now there's a magic number, 2000 bucks is the number, what I'm saying is if you want a staccato level of quality in a prodigy look to buy it and put 500 to a 1000 in it if you by a sub 1000 DS 1911 look to put 1000 to 1500 in it.. lol...

[@johndomutz1052]

I enjoyed this review of three guns side by side. Nice.

[@deeone5231]

I purchased the Apollo 11 compact in black and it will be delivered next week I hope I don’t have any of those issues 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@RogerBarrera]

Keep us updated, they responded quickly when my FFL reached out and seems like their customer service is pretty on point. We will make an update when we hear back.

[@yaboicatman]

From what I understand, the compact has been updated based on feedback from earlier models. All new models of the Apollo should have less issues.

[@deeone5231]

Thank you guys for the information.

[@Bedbassandbeyond]

​@@yaboicatmanwhat have they updated? Humblemarksman wasnt so pleased about the mac and is giving the a11c thumbs up...exactly opposite of this vid. So...im stuck in the middle.

[@yaboicatman]

@Bedbassandbeyond I think it was actually a humble marksman video from shot shot I got that info from. In the video, they claimed they essentially got rid of all MIM parts and started making everything in-house. To me, I'd say just try to rent or shoot one and see what you like the most. Good luck on your 2011 journey.

[@richardkennedy815]

My only hang up with a 2011 commander style double stack like the MAC is why did they not make it in 45acp. That is not to say I have anything against 9mm, but have several and just like the tried and true 45acp...and a commander length slide with a full size grip with SDS price point...would be great

[@joenewmark1513]

Very informative. I am in the market for a 2011 this helps a lot.

[@mikeg7ga922]

Guy’s with 115gr and 2011’s 😂😂😂😂😂 Ventura Ammunition is a good gun store. I was there this weekend and I must say Ventura has the craziest selection on 2011’s and 2311’s and as always friendly staff

[@Thomas-vt7cz]

Okay Roger, I love this video... Just to let you know I purchased the MAC 9 DS for $829 new from my FFL. What up grades do you all suggest to make it close to Staccato P level or close??? 😎

[@RogerBarrera]

Dude nice! Smoking price on that one. Just get a bunch of trigger time behind it man, it’s sweet!

[@Thomas-vt7cz]

@@RogerBarrera Okay, I was thinking of getting trigger work shielded safety... Good thinking or what??? 😎

[@RogerBarrera]

@@Thomas-vt7cz I’d wait and see how you like it after a few thousand rounds.

[@Thomas-vt7cz]

@@RogerBarrera Oh damn man... Sometimes I am impatient like the facts and get it over with..! 😎

[@greybeard277]

Thanks for the in depth review of these three side by side. A question for you- you stated that you had not lubed the pistols and they were just out of the box, then later you said you had lubed with gun butter when discussing the Oracle having problems. Was the unlubed portion just the first shots section? Regardless, a good look at three options, thanks.

[@RogerBarrera]

Nah, I think they just needed some break in. Thats typical for the 1911/2011 platform. The first couple of malfunctions didn’t bother me as it didn’t continue. The issue for me was the trigger internals malfunctioning with the Apollo 11 after 300 rounds. We’ll do an update video once we get the gun back. Thanks for watching.

[@Kingman459]

I had the exact same issue with the trigger not engaging on my Apollo 11. I swapped it to a prodigy grip because the A11 grip just felt so cheap and mags were not dropping free. The issue persisted in the prodigy grip. I then put in the oem prodigy trigger and never had the issue again. So I think there may be something off in the dimensions of the trigger bow on the A11.

[@RANDY_MAR5H]

31:00 That's funny. I'm having the same exact issue with my Tisas. I sent it to SDS for warranty.

[@Iamnothere1775]

I love my MAC 9 DS 4.25” barrel

[@sdsimports]

Grabbing a snack and gonna watch this!!

[@RogerBarrera]

Hey oh!

[@sdsimports]

@@RogerBarrera Ya'll doing gods work with the holster fitment!!! THANK YOU!!!

[@RogerBarrera]

@@sdsimports for sure! We wanna get some more stuff on the channel! That night stalker double stack 😎😎😎

[@sdsimports]

@@RogerBarrera you got my inbox deets?

[@asanti76]

Thought I’d share that the MAC shoots flatter than the Stacatto CS. Yeah it’s only a 3.5 barrel compared to the MAC but it’s worth sharing I think. I may sell the Stacatto now as the MAC is pretty good stock. It’s heavy and flat shooting. Now compare it to the bigger Stacatto I’ll sure it’s a different story.

[@patrickmagu279]

I have the Tisas 9mm For me amateur shooter is perfect

[@jericosha2842]

Fantastic comparison. Thanks so much.

[@Thomas-vt7cz]

Damn good job Roger..!!! This helped me to make a decision on my project pistol. 😎

[@ldroland]

Great review, been looking for this one.

[@ajs6856]

Good video showing all these guns and their faults. I think this clearly shows that if you want a 2011, just save the money for a good one. The one guy was talking about toyotas and Ferrari comparing common SF guns vs 1911/2011 is right in a way. The design might be a Ferrari but if you spent toyota money, expect it to be worse than both.

[@ThisShitDontFlush]

Hey, cmon….. even the hedious looking Moxie came out with a double stacked pistol for the 2024 model year.

[@RogerBarrera]

I hear ya but as far as shoot ability, the Tisas and the Mac9 did great. Mac9 has very similar features to other very high-end 2011s. I definitely plan on doing a lot more with that specifically. Appreciate your check out the video though thank you.

[@shawnj8051]

Do you need an adapter for the Tisas in the video?

[@mattklein8752]

How would you compare these 3 against Springfield prodigy?

[@ThisShitDontFlush]

The Prodigy is over rated. Not any better than what was in the video. People were paying extra for the Springfield name more than the quality it was suppose to represent.

[@mattklein8752]

This is why I was asking the people who review guns for work their opinion!. I own a prodigy and think it shoots well and I don’t consider Springfield as a good “name” that’s what I consider staccato to be

[@ThisShitDontFlush]

@@mattklein8752 …. You’re looking for someone else’s approval for your option to buy an inferior product and now you need to escape that buyer’s remorse because you were too impatient to wait another payday so you could afford a real Ferrari instead of a Ferrari body on a Wolkswagen drivetrain. Ohhh the pain! Girls do the same thing when they buy those designer jeans that give them that ‘LardAsche’ look and ask: “do these jeans make my butt look big”

[@getrippt]

@@mattklein8752he answered this question a few comments above yours. Here’s what he said. “I'd say the prodigy and the Mac9 feel very similar. I like that you get a magwell with the Mac9 but I don't like the sights that they have for their optic plate. I like the optic plate system of the prodigy so it's kind of give-and-take, depending on what matters more to you between the two.”

[@mattklein8752]

@@getrippt thank you I missed that

[@jrbailey3208]

Hail from Central WY, 'Budget' is a relative term! I get $943 a month on SSI, can't work anymore, and as you can see, a gun that would cost me 66% or MORE of my entire monthly income is a non-starter! Are there any USED offerings of these and at what prices for those in good shape? Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central WY

[@alexricotta2474]

I was wondering if you guys would do a 2011 style video like this but with 10 mm. I am currently on the fence between the 2311 witness and the Rock Island HC tac ultra.

[@sebastianhoumrani939]

Hi, great review, such a pity that you didn’t attach light to Tisas

[@RogerBarrera]

We agree, the rail isn’t long enough. We developed adapters so we could attach lights.

[@jlb7606]

I’ve had 4 Staccatos. Also recently picked up a 5” b9r ds. Curious how the Tisas b9r ds stacks up compared to a prodigy though.

[@vincentmolina11]

Would you pick the Mac 9 over the prodigy?

[@Selfdefense4k]

Can you compare the EAA GIRSAN WITNESS 2311? From this video im leaning towards the Mac 9ds but would like to know how the GIRSAN WITNESS2311 compares. Thanks.

[@tac_r_usoutdoors8984]

What's considered a full light? My Tisas DS has a TLR HL🤷‍♂️

[@patwalsh2868]

Hey guys this was an interesting n well done video !!!thanks 💥🔫from Commy Ct. 🇺🇸

[@RogerBarrera]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@uchis2k]

How people get better zeroing accuracy vs. that at 20+ yards is beyond me. My groups benchrested with my Staccato P and striker guns look exactly like that using factory 115/124.

[@ardobkin]

Roger!!! This video is not good for my bank account!!!

[@ardobkin]

Would love the full, exact name of each firearm in the description if possible!

[@RogerBarrera]

Thank you for checking out the video! If you think about it, it’s actually good for your bank account. You could pick up all three of these and still be under the cost of other higher end 1911/2011 guns. 🤣😂🤣 I also added the three names as requested in the description of the video. Thanks again for checking it out.

[@ardobkin]

@@RogerBarrera man, thanks so much! Would love to hear your thoughts on these compared to the mid tier 2011s like bul armory. Hey ohhhhhhhh

[@Tatsunami_Studios]

Ria is where it’s at

[@goatslifepartdeux5492]

Why would you not clean and lube first, like the instructions tell us??? I’m new. But I read the books.

[@TEXAN_SHADOW]

LFA APOLLO11 all the way

[@ethan5.56]

I think Tisas has a more Gucci model too. Great video

[@tyshindeldecker7800]

So the tisas DS is the best gun by far as performance, price, and reliability

[@brothaznarmz7505]

Check the main spring housing pin. Installed a night hawk trigger into my staccato p, the main spring housing pin bored the the pin hole and my trigger started acting similarly to your description. I was frustrated so I bought a staccato c

[@CraigSummers]

Excellent video! Great comparison

[@RogerBarrera]

Glad you liked it!