Rogers: The Musical, Analysed

The follow-up: • Hawkeye, One Year On: ...
Marvel's Hawkeye series premiered one year ago today! I'm still working on my main Hawkeye retrospective, but for now, I thought I'd put out a standalone analysis of one part of this show - Rogers: The Musical, and the function it plays within the show. Hope you enjoy!
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Timestamps
0:00 Introduction
1:03 Rogers, the Musical
2:26 Meeting Kate
3:41 Identity, perception, and knowing
5:25 Disagreements, difficulties, and power
7:56 Natasha's image
9:29 Fictions, facades, and acceptance
11:30 Conclusion
Rogers: The Musical is a Broadway musical based on Steve Rogers, the first Captain America, with music by Marc Shaiman. In 2024, it was produced and shown at the Lunt-Fontanne Theatre in New York City. In Hawkeye, Clint Barton and Kate Bishop shoot a few arrows and try to avoid becoming the target themselves. awkeye is an American television miniseries created by Jonathan Igla for the streaming service Disney+, based on Marvel Comics featuring the characters Clint Barton / Hawkeye and Kate Bishop / Hawkeye. It is the fifth television series in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) produced by Marvel Studios, sharing continuity with the films of the franchise and taking place after the events of the film Avengers: Endgame (2019). It sees Clint Barton as he partners with Kate Bishop to confront enemies from his past in order to be with his family in time for Christmas. Igla served as head writer with Rhys Thomas leading the directing team.

[@PillarofGarbage]

That followup video is out now, by the way! kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2XbmKV4brqAj9k

[@mangamandrew]

Just realized the irony of Ant man being there is that because of what happened with end game, Scott Lang as ant man was technically in the fight because time travel shenanigans

[@slimgrim3607]

Maybe the producer saw Scott Lang when he went back in time, so he just included him in. That's my headcanon anyway

[@OniNoSweeney]

I'm guessing there's going to be a scene in Antman 3 of what he was doing during the time travel event in Endgame, which ends up changing his public perception.

[@TimManuelMiranda]

According to smart hulk's confusing time travel explanation, they went "back in time" and created a new reality. Our primary reality and the people in it still had events happen as they played out in the first avengers film (without antman). Time travel in the MCU isn't linear, so ant man can't change that past. It could be said though that by going to a new reality, ant man personally experienced a version of the events of the first avengers film. And maybe that was enough for him to gaslight the world into thinking he actually was there in our primary reality, even though he never was.

[@mangamandrew]

@@TimManuelMiranda sure, but my point was that by technicality, he was in that battle wether or not it was a new reality or not. And with the context of Ms. Marvel and Loki, it is very possible that the avengers going back in time was always a part of the sacred time line and therefore was apart of the original time line like in Ms. Marvel.

[@jacobhargiss3839]

@@TimManuelMiranda ok, but who's to say that the events of our main MCU universe werent altered by another MCU universe doing the same thing? If they put qll the peices back correctly, we wouldnt know the difference? Perhaps thats why captain america is sitting on the bench at the end. Mabey he's just a slightly different cap that wound up in the main MCU after going back in time.

[@jonathanpayne4772]

Also the Hawkeye show itself is underrated by so many people.

[@ccelite3782]

It got better as it went on, can't wait to see more of Kate.

[@marionbaggins]

Hawkeye is my and my Bro's 2nd Favourite Disney+ Series, behind Loki...Those 2 are the only ones I find easy to go back and rewatch!!!! But the reason why Hawkeye's is hard to go back and rewatch is that the time it is set: Christmas!

[@squidsurge71]

It’s my far and away favorite

[@LikeTheNumeral]

Hawkeye and Loki are the only Disney plus Marvel shows that I've rewatched

[@andrewpearson3516]

Unfortunately People are idiots . This is a very watchable chapter. New Rockstars did complain about this , but I believe they are at fault for alot of disappointment as they hype up these convoluted theories. Theories that never work , unfortunately it hurts casual fans who don't know any better . Then we have the i hate female characters group who actually take the time to count every time a female character saves a male character. It's creepy . As for this chapter, it's objective was let's get to know Kate Bishop, her personality and morals. Let's introduce her and build this link to the main Avengers . While world building. They achieved them. Every single scene with Kate and Yellena was fantastic and I can't wait to see them interact with Peter, Kamala and Jen they all have this level of charm, geeky goofiness which is just great to see

[@hannahhannah7002]

What I think was also interesting was the LARP group--they were a group of people who played and say themselves as idealized heros and they got an opportunity to be that in real life. It's saying that if you want to be something that desire is bigger than what reality is

[@stevenbobbybills]

Granted, a lot of them were firefighters and the like, real life heroes.

[@hannahhannah7002]

@@stevenbobbybills I think when you're in a world where there are literally people that can fly and shit there are different levels of heros

[@stevenbobbybills]

@@hannahhannah7002 of course, but firefighters still save a lot of people, and their lack of powers and fairly basic equipment makes them all the braver, right?

[@rexlumontad5644]

At least the Rogers Musical cast were having a blast and went all out with the ham.

[@wagerobot5231]

theme of the identity you see in the mirror. Having Yelena be blipped and returned in front of a bathroom mirror seems more significant then I thought

[@ashleemeow]

There's even a bit of a meta angle to the identity theme, that gets played with by Jack. With the Swordsman being maybe the most iconic Hawkeye villain from earlier Avengers comics, the audience is primed to believe he could even be the main villain (or at least a bad guy) earlier on.

[@smith22041]

I would also roll his previous role as Lalo Salamanca in Better Call Saul into the meta of priming the viewer to see him as a villain.

[@arthurbriand2175]

I really want a extra scene at the end of the full 5 minute post credit scene with Jacques just loving Rogers: the Musical. He gives a standing ovation and you can see he might try to give this superhero game a try as he has been inspired by his role the final battle.

[@royroy3]

They actually do the musical with the same actors in person at D23 😂.

[@kimwelch4652]

Don't forget the other theme brought out with the musical or with Clint's watching the musical--Trauma. At the beginning of the series, Clint is horribly traumatized and the musical is triggering. Kate is also traumatized and acting out. Neither one has managed to properly deal with their respective trauma, and the show progresses through their having to confront their trauma and learning to live with and through it. You can also add Yelena and Pizza dog to the trauma list.

[@soonerproud]

I thought Hawkeye was fantastic and didn't deserve the criticism it recieved. It was right up there with WandaVision and Loki in quality. It also had that Die Hard vibe that I thought was fantastic for a Holiday themed series.

[@LittleMan27]

It helps proves that the heroes are real life celebrities. Ms Marvel does AvengerCon, Hawkeye & No Way Home has Rogers: The Musical. People are dressed up as them in them show, & people look up to them like they’re celebrities. The superheroes are the celebrities of the MCU

[@kwayneboy1524]

Until they turn of them like Spiderman

[@skpcboy]

@@kwayneboy1524 just like real-life celebrities

[@lemmingrad]

Twist it into a dark take, and you get The Boys.

[@wagerobot5231]

I'm rewatching Hawkeye every year around Christmas time as a new tradition

[@PillarofGarbage]

Sounds like a good tradition!

[@kikosawa]

it's amazing Christmas themed entertainment

[@wagerobot5231]

@@kikosawa like Die Hard with arrows

[@ClintBandito]

I think the themes of Hawkeye can be most easily summed up with how people persieve heroes.

[@lolli_popples]

Antman is probably in the musical because if anyone is going to give a firsthand account of that fight to reporters and had to retcon in being there it’s Scott.

[@2QAYL1138]

I appreciate fans such as yourself who are willing to dig past more common perspectives to find the real value in stories.

[@kwayneboy1524]

That's what I think most reviewers are missing rewarding or finding at least some good in the bad.

[@jenniferhanses7064]

I agree with you in regards to its importance to Clint's character. I would add that while Natasha is the deepest wound for Clint, Tony, and Cap are also dead, dead, dead, and Thor's off having space adventures. So maybe Bruce is kicking around somewhere doing something, but for the most part everyone is gone, and Clint is alone with his memories in a crowd of people. And while yes, people don't see him eat and shit and be a normal person, I think he, like Natasha, was never quite comfortable with the superhero title in the first place. He's government black ops. And then he became an assassin. I don't think he's ever really thought of himself as a hero. But he really is a hero. What Kate saw was real. When the city was threatened, Clint fought and saved people. And Clint is phenomenally skilled. He really is everything she trained to be. Her knowledge isn't a lie. It just didn't take into account that he's also a jaded ex-operative. And Clint, who was always the least of the Avengers in the MCU, by exposure to Kate, does come to appreciate that he really is a hero. And that he deserves to be on stage with a God, two Geniuses, a Super Soldier, and the woman who sacrificed everything she ever was or would be to save the universe and give him his family back, a debt he can never ever repay. And supposedly, if there is a Heaven, she won't be there. She's completely gone. Kate has the advantage of providing him with unconditional admiration while not being his kid. So he can be fatherly/mentorly toward her, but in the end, she's also not really his responsibility. He doesn't have to protect her from the truth, though. And I think that's a nice burden to be lifted.

[@bluevortexpng1211]

very good video essay, always thought the song was a banger and it's nice to know that the funny musical has real narrative weight

[@OpticalSorcerer]

After finding out there was a Spider-Man musical, I'd love more superhero-inspired musicals--not in a comedic way, but in a serious way, like X-Men or Batman. Great sets, great music, great costumes, great story--it'd be dramatic and cool!

[@ccelite3782]

Thanos: *the musical*

[@skye1346]

I'd recommend you look up the Meatloaf soundtrack for the unfinished Batman musical.

[@OpticalSorcerer]

@@skye1346 I'll look into it! I'd love for something that utilizes modern comics and use Tim Drake as Robin, with Dick, Jason, and Damian also playing roles, not to mention Barbara and Harley.

[@fad23]

The book about Turn Off the Dark is a really compelling read, for anyone who would be interested.

[@Parker402]

It is really interesting to see videos people have made breaking down the whole "Turn off the dark" spiderman musical and how it was a big mess of a production with several delays, difficulties preparing the theater, actors dropping out, and the money they ended up losing on it. It is pretty crazy

[@AlexG-jk8tc]

The Hawkeye show is my second-favorite of the Disney+ Marvel shows, behind only WandaVision. It's not groundbreaking or game-changing for the MCU or anything, but what it IS is a fun, festive, comedic adventure my whole family loved. Every episode was an equal level of high quality; there were none I thought were weaker, lesser, or bad. In my opinion, it's also the first of the shows with a REALLY GOOD finale, and one of my happiest memories of last year's holiday season was watching the finale with my family, and laughing our heads off at the Yelena and Kate, LARPers, and Rogers: The Musical scenes (I even got my friend a Rogers: The Musical tee for her birthday). Over Thanksgiving dinner, my mom said we should rewatch it this holiday season, and we all agreed. Happy Thanksgiving, everyone! Pillar of Garbage, love your content and keep it up! :D

[@thembanitheone]

1:51 haha I called it! I had a feeling that that feeling was what this PoG take was going to be about. When I first saw it in Hawkeye it reminded me of the dwarf-jousting play at Joffrey's Purple Wedding. That dissonance we feel as we watch it through Sansa's eyes... the death of her brother being laughed off as wedding entertainment by an ever out-of-touch aristocracy.

[@PillarofGarbage]

You did indeed!

[@Migrane0]

Can I point out that it was also parodying those musicals that are made with the intent to licence them for high school productions. The music is meant to be crowdpleasing, it total theatre kid bait and the costumes are made up of t-shirts and hoodies.

[@pink-a-palouza7888]

Well I’m a theater nerd so technically, I am in love with any type of musical or even new story for this kind of type of Broadway show I will eat up 😂 Also if that’s when they’re walking through times, where you can actually see the Broadway version of Beetlejuice

[@make.and.believe]

This is so on point. The Cosplay troupe also speaks to this particular theme. Especially when the troupe transcends the labels society has placed upon cosplay, as for show and pretend, and become their true selves, wearing those same costumes in real life and being actual heroes. I need to give this show a rewatch, I forgot how good it was.

[@rei-rei]

They aren't cosplay, they are a re-enactment society. Possibly LARPers (it's been a while so I forget the details). Cosplay is about dressing up. It rarely has any fighting. Though the idea of bringing a horde of cosplayers to a fight is kind of hilarious.

[@make.and.believe]

@@rei-rei oh yes you are right, it was LARP. I've never really understood the difference honestly. I've done a ton of Cosplay but have never been a part of a larger like 'troupe' thing that the LARP people seem to do. :)

[@rei-rei]

@@make.and.believe Cosplay is all about the dressing up. LARP is dressing up so you can go on pretend adventures. Re-enactment is dressing up so you can have pretend fights, but more historical and less blue hair.

[@Ennio444]

I thought it was just a clever riff on how everyone likes Hamilton despite it not being at all accurate with the character or the period. Glad to see it can have a more instrinsic meaning to the story.

[@joshwhite5730]

It is kind of accurate it it just completely slipped the part of Hamilton actually being a pretty bad dude

[@Ennio444]

@@joshwhite5730 it's wildly inaccurate. I don't know if Hamilton was a good or bad dude, History isn't about judging, its about understanding. But we do know a lot about him, and, just to comment on the first song, he wasn't an immigrant in the modern sense (he was anglo white, that was not considered an immigrant) and neithet was Lafayette. Any modern biography on Hamilton, Washington or Adams will show the way the US was nothing like its portrayed in the show.

[@CaptainPikeachu]

Your talk about Eleanor and the whole perception thing is fascinating because in many ways all of these stories really are about framing. We root for the protagonists/heroes because of the way these stories are framed and how we are shown their perspectives, but I have always believed that for many antagonists like Killmonger or Zemo or Ghost or Vulture or John Walker and more, change the framing ever so slightly and those characters could easily be “the hero” of the story. Perception is a very powerful thing and it colors how we view characters and even how we judge them. I mean, Eleanor is viewed as bad, Kate even gets her arrested because she did bad things, however one could argue that Clint did just as much, if not more bad things, but the story directs our perception in ways to view Clint differently, it even directs Echo’s revenge to someone else. At the end of the day, Clint is allowed to “retire” and keep his dark secrets from the world and never face anything beyond self accountability and remain perceived as a hero. I think there is something to be discussed about how perceptions in the narrative might birth hypocrisies in the MCU that the narrative doesn’t necessarily recognize or really wants to confront.

[@philgodin6493]

I want the whole musical to be put on Disney Plus.

[@mariemiriel1522]

This reminds me of that episode of Batman Beyond called "Out of the Past" that has Terry taking Bruce to see a Batman musical for his birthday. Truly a wild episode. Also quite sad.

[@uub_plz2651]

Ant-Man was in the Battle of NY, he was looking for the Infinity Stones 🤣🤣

[@chrisblake4198]

The relationship of text, context and metatext is played out all through Phase 4, at least in the D+ series. An overarching theme in all the series is 'how do these heroes fit into society now' with major questions about history, legacy, the law, all being peeled back and examined in different ways. I plan to go back through all of Phase4 and watch again with questions like this in mind, because they want us questioning the nature of this reality and that's cool.

[@AJ-xc4qe]

I would love for Rogers the Musical to be a real thing and then they make a documentary of it. A real life documentary AND an in-universe documentary!

[@Paul-wd8cz]

I think a lot of the phase 4 TV shows are about showing us how regular people view superheroes. Take Scott Lang's podcast in Ms Marvel, or Monica Rambau unable to accept that Wanda did anything wrong. There are some subtle hints in the shows about evolving feelings toward superpowered people.

[@sum1337]

i guess hawkeye as issues with being seen as an hero too because of his past and his run as '' ronin ''

[@cactuscian]

I have unironically had this song on my spotify playlist for a year now I have no regrets

[@jonathanpayne4772]

They actually performed the musical live at D23 this year!

[@PillarofGarbage]

Oh, fun!

[@grapeshot]

Well looks like it's better than a play/musical based off the common domesticated house cat.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

I laughed. I cried.

[@chriscanul4075]

Hawkeye easily the most underrated MCU project

[@stateofhibernation]

I love that antman is in the play because someone probably saw him when they time traveled

[@NaritaZaraki]

Ooh this was a cool little deep dive! I love how neatly your analysis fits into the tapestry of themes the show was weaving. Now you've got me thinking about this little musical in the context of "The Falcon And The Winter Soldier" because although this musical is supposed to be about Steve's life ... there isn't even an iota of his presence as we've come to know him in it. The musical feels closer to his "dancing monkey" era scripted propaganda set pieces than anything attempting to authentically present Steve. And "TFATWS" does ponder the complexity in the distinction between Steve and Captain American but this idea of different "knowings" and perceptions is a really fascinating framework to examine Steve himself and his story through.

[@urmom34150]

okay but I would unironically go see rogers the musical

[@grandsome1]

word.

[@jesusrox0903]

A lot of people wouldn't admit it, but they would too. Haha

[@dimitrikhler9706]

This is a great analysis, you earned a subscriber. I was also happily surprised by the Hawkeye show, I think it was one of the best of the Disney+ series, and it definitely gave me a new appreciation for Clint that I never had before.

[@CarlyBarley333]

I recently realized that the guy who played Roger in the original ‘Rent’ is in this and it makes it so much better

[@maxschreck4095]

Good analysis :D While I appreciate what they´ve been doing I enjoyed the parts of the show the most that were the crazy superhero stuff, high speed chases, trick arrows, massive battles etc

[@natestadler2352]

Oh yeah, episode 3 (I think) stood out to me the most

[@koushikraja331]

Also, you could do the whole "misinformation and wrong perception" thing with Echo, even though it is a little bit complicated than that.

[@Mediumcool2000]

Another interesting moment of perspective that was shown in the show: While Kate sees Hawkeye and in her eyes is triumphant, that same moment in the Avengers movie was a turning point where the team was beginning to falter.

[@rednas3271]

Still my favorite Marvel Disney plus show

[@ThePonderer]

Great video. Now you’ve got me wanting to watch Hawkeye again this holiday season.

[@grzegorzbaranowski7148]

My mans really made me think more deeply about the goddamn Hawkeye show

[@conorlamere399]

Now I need to rewatch Hawkeye!

[@forcesmuggler7667]

Hawkeye is top 2 TV series imo. Wonderful analysis. Bravo.

[@TheJoseMTapia]

You explained something really important about the show that I didn't realized at first. Thank you! Subbed!! ^_^

[@poggy9548]

This is the equivalent of a happy go lucky 9-11 musical😀

[@Mattlovesanime64]

The guy who plays Steve Rogers in the musical is one of Trixie Mattel’s backup dancers in the music video for Hello Hello.

[@SmartVideosJarkaWatched]

I watched the end-credits version of the song, and was struck by the whole 'I HEART NY'-vibe of the song's second (or third) verse, like it was another 9/11 memorial.

[@ChristopherLaHaise]

Excellent insight, thank you very much.

[@grandsome1]

Rogers the musical hard to watch? Speak for yourself, choom, I wish that thing was on Broadway right now!

[@e_1665]

It continues to make me sad every time I think about how black widow died to save half the universe and she wasn’t recognized except by the original six and then iron man gets a funeral what about nat what happened to her and then a black widow movie as much as I liked it it just takes away more of the satisfaction of her story coming to an end in endgame and even Peter quill who cause the snap in a way doesn’t acknowledge her and in a way he never faces the consequences of his actions.

[@elliamorse1442]

Love your videos man

[@PillarofGarbage]

:D

[@seanfulldark]

Well technically it could be accurate if we're going by the rules of time travel that states since Scott was in the past during the battle technically he was there

[@marocat4749]

Ther should be more superhero musicals, i want a dr strange one XD

[@mariannedarrow7227]

Yeah I loved Hawkeye and this a really interesting analysis.

[@Mark73]

They were making the Rodgers musical before the battle of New York. Then the battle happened and they rewrote the whole thing around it.

[@camillechandler4431]

Something that makes me uncomfortable about the Rogers: The Musical scene is albeit a little meta. To those in universe who lived through the battle of New York, watching it play out in that fashion was most likely traumatic. Who watches Broadway productions? Lots of people, but critics are based in NYC. I guarantee they would have had strong feelings about this. I guarantee New Yorkers would not be enjoying that scene in particular despite *only* Clint appearing uncomfortable. I might be taking this too seriously, but I’m a Theatre Education Major…I just think that a GLOBAL INVASION WHICH CULMINATED IN A LARGE BATTLE IN NEW YORK would do well in a production like this. Especially if I’m universe 9-11 actually happened. Given the New World Trade Center seen in shots of New York, leads me to believe that it did. Would you be comfortable watching a comical musical depicting in part the events of that tragic day? I don’t think so. It suspends my disbelief that no one thought that this wasn’t ok.

[@PillarofGarbage]

A few people brought up the musical ‘Come From Away’ in response to this general idea - which is (sort of) the type of production you’re talking about!

[@LazyEyeNZ]

I loved the musical and I know I'm in the minority but Hawkeye is my favorite of the marvel shows. It's fun in a Christmas die hard lethal weapon kinda way.

[@JP54704]

Why does Ant-Man show up in the musical? Well, because, in endgame, we see him there thanks to the time Heist, so the musical thechnically is accurate there. Kinda, sorta.

[@louisvictor3473]

"...burns the Ronin suit, symbolically destroying his previous brand..." and literally destroying his grill. RIP BBQ-Queen. Grilly is the real casualty of this show, how comes no one talks about this silent tragedy?

[@munny_1206]

Good shit!

[@nickdejager8873]

There are two points I want to bring up here. First is simply that while Hawkeye might see the symbolism in burning the Ronin suit at the end, destroying the suit, the evidence and connection, was his goal for a large portion of the show. So saying he is burning it just because he learned about perception and its power feels forced. Second, is that you failed to mention (for whatever reason), the role of 'Hawkeye' in the song 'Save the City'. "While Hawkeye seems cool, like a really nice guy" "Just how are we to fight them?". Then in the 'fighting' he helps Nat and then gets punched down. He's a footnote and not given any credit in the song or dance. While in his role as a spy that might be for the best, it still has to sting. Both not being credited and being very much misunderstood and misrepresented.

[@84Plato]

Any Man was in the battle of New York in the post End Game continuity.

[@BlankPapers]

I think it is fair to also see the play as something like a gift for the audience, whether it be a funny thing for casual watchers or a guide into meta story telling, like this video highlights. While more in your face, it’s far from the first. It’s like finding a Pixar Easter egg, or even the concept of Chekhov’s Shotgun. Can it be for the story context specifically? Sometimes when it comes to Chekhov’s shotgun and in turn, the feeling is shared between the character and audience, but sometimes, in order to convey lessons or even levels of fun and enjoyment, doing a little bit of something for just those watching, while in the danger zone of taking you out of the story, can make the story even stronger and more understandable.

[@t4washere384]

But Ant-man was technically in New York during Loki's invasion do to Time Travel. And that makes it funnier.

[@PillarofGarbage]

shh that’s an alternate timeline or dimension or something

[@t4washere384]

@@PillarofGarbage Not if you ask Scott.

[@comicfan1324]

Hawkeye was honestly a pretty good show

[@JeffHanke]

Great video, great show. "trust-fund archer extraordinaire" *chef's kiss*

[@juliiju0484]

This show was so fun

[@KillerOfWhales]

Honestly the criticism Hawkeye got, at least the criticism I had of it, was mostly that it had a disappointing and thematically weak finale, especially with how it failed to really utilise Kingpin as a villain. But I really, really loved the first 4 episodes, at least putting it on the level of Loki

[@kwayneboy1524]

I think all the criticism I heard was centered to the finale

[@ElfsArt24]

How did I not notice that the man Kate's mum is working with is Frisk from DareDevil?

[@Drawoon]

Dang, you got so much out of this. I thought the musical was just to set up the public perception of hawkeye, and the end credits scene was just for fun.

[@imakeplaylists159]

They should make rogers the musical as an April fools special presentation😂

[@mickeymouse7726]

Nice

[@2nd3rd1st]

This is hilarious. In the real world a 9/11 The Musical would crash and burn so hard, the backlash could melt steel beams.

[@colinbanning9416]

Real off page here, but Hailee Steinfeld is a delight and arguably should have won an Oscar for True Grit

[@claymathewselevator8121]

Clint also ruins his grill when he burns his Ronin suit

[@DeeVanfeld]

Huh I kind of felt ... slightly standoffish with the post-credits musical but seeing this video made me see it in a newer light. :> thanks! This show really is underrated and my favorite mcu show ever

[@aaronjjacques]

I want to see the full musical on Disney +.

[@AjayESharma]

I always found the existence of this musical in the MCU to be strange, like the battle of new york was a tragedy that claimed thousands of lives and leveled New York, like how would we feel about a 9/11 musical?

[@nightblood7575]

I suggest watching Come From Away. It’s a musical about the airline rerouting to Newfoundland after the airways were closed on 9/11. It’s available for streaming on Apple TV+. This and Rogers are very, very different in tone, though. Come From Away treats 9/11 with due reverence.

[@MsDiving1]

The lead singer in the number was from a play that focused on AIDS, rather irreverently at times. Also, you’re focusing on the battle, one number in the whole show, when the point is that they did a musical based on someone they’ve built up into a great hero. Which they absolutely would do. Seriously, dig into musical theater history a bit.

[@claymathewselevator8121]

It shows up on a billboard in Spider-Man No Way Home

[@PTUBE101_]

It’s real

[@thefacethatrunstheplace1499]

I feel like in universe, a musical about the battle of New York would go over as well as a musical about 9/11

[@thejamesthird]

The thing that makes me laugh is that this was a tragic attack on New York where people died, and there’s a musical scene about it. This would be like there being a 9/11 musical in real life.

[@abigailw7146]

Come from away…

[@kwayneboy1524]

Why do I feel that one of the Reviews are "This was tasteless and tone death my uncle died during that battle"

[@nicholasfactor]

Ant Man was there via the Time Heist

[@charchar635]

my theory is that ant man is there because someone saw scott steve and tony from endgame and figured it was the scott from their time without knowing he wasn't the ant man yet

[@spideraty1529]

Pillar of garbage just want to ask a question I heard in the last video you said the Spider-Man no way home video was gonna be negative on the mcu in just curious did you hate no way home because I think it was the best Spider-Man movie because the story was amazing and in reality really just focused on Spider-Man Srry I’m just perseverating but I am curious on your opinion but if you think it’s not a great Spider verse movie I agree it wasn’t really a multiverse movie in my eyes

[@PillarofGarbage]

My basic position is: No Way Home taken in isolation is a good film, a good Spider-Man film, but that it’s very odd when taken within the context of MCU Spider-Man’s journey.

[@spideraty1529]

@@PillarofGarbage that’s far thank you for your input

[@mattofsmegpoop3027]

Why haven't I seen marvel release the whole thing. On there streaming platform on some day like may 4 for star wars

[@RTAbram]

The musical is also commentary on how the MCU has been mythologized by the audience. The "heroes" were actors who got hired for roles and played their roles well (for the most part). The movies are fiction (like the musical) because real people can't save the world by punching everything, yet people want to say they are somehow true or contain truths, or are at least "truthy". Also, in canon, can you imagine Steve Rogers' reaction to this? He grew to heat being part of the propaganda machine, and biographies-as-musicals have to be the worst kind of propaganda.

[@curtdog647]

Tbh I just think it's interesting that antman is here

[@theodore9668]

Commenting for the algorithm

[@josephtedesco8429]

It matters... because Ant-Man in it proves that this is a nexus event leading to a multiverse paradox!

[@bernardcornellisvanmeijere4375]

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[@aVerveQuest]

Huh, i thought Disney was testing the viability of a real Avengers cash grab broadway show in a sneaky tongue and cheek way

[@timschantz3233]

Speed Racer is the best Wachowski movie.

[@phantomviper211]

Wait, there was a Hawkeye show?

[@allymofo2332]

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