Rogue FM Rack vs REP Ares 2.0…The Ultimate Functional Trainer Squat Rack!

[@NoLimitsCommemorativ]

Building my home gym currently. After 17 years of paying for memberships and commuting back and forth, I finally threw in the towel and got annoyed with being around people who can't pick up after themselves.

[@Noahbdh]

no you get the privilege of not picking up after yourself!

[@calinursingable]

Welcome home!

[@NoLimitsCommemorativ]

@@Noahbdh hahaha. Im too OCD to leave a mess.

[@authentichealthcoach4142]

Welcome to the community

[@shamelesscare5389]

Congratulations! Public gyms are like laundry mats. As soon as you can afford your own equipment, you should 100% buy it and stay home.

[@tkgmattk2770]

I got the Ares 1.0 because they dropped the price to approximately $800 less than the listed price. I know the 2.0 is much more improved, but I can deal with the low row being so close to the ground and how far apart they are for $800 less. I can't be happier with my purchase.

[@futbol1972]

So how much would I be for the 1.0 out the door with 30+16 rack? Iam really considering selling my titan selectorized lat pull down, my inspire FT and my manticore rack.

[@PhillipHarnage-l6c]

You my friend are very smart lol

[@tkgmattk2770]

@@futbol1972 I spent $3500 in total for PR 4000, Ares, rounded J-cup, spotter arms, and 3 weight horns. I got the 80", 16x24.

[@markhalstead2386]

@@futbol1972Around 4200 and up.

[@martinrockwell3259]

Coop you've gotta do a video on how you clean your garage gym, and best ways to keep it nice

[@CVNTGETENOUGH]

Leaf blower

[@bazintrickways3045]

I have a rogue drop in rhino and I asked about if they could do dual stack on the side with the pulleys. All I would need is for them to make the footplate for the rhino with holes to allow the stacks on, they said they were coming out with something along that design soon. Exciting stuff

[@jamiesoncostello]

A weight stack loaded rhino would need to start each rep at the bottom, wouldn't it?

[@cameronharris86]

I’m interested in this as well. Ordered the FM6-twin and hopefully they can figure out the rhino set up.

[@bazintrickways3045]

@@jamiesoncostello wouldn’t be a weight stack loaded rhino, it would be a normal Drop in rhino with a 150lbs weight stack on each side of the rack. You currently can’t do this unless they change the footplate of the rhino to allow the side weight stacks to go on. That footplate covers the attachment points for the guide-rods. I am half tempted to just have mine altered to allow the guide rods to attach

[@bazintrickways3045]

@@cameronharris86 that sounds dope. Curious to hear your thoughts on it

[@meganharris8612]

Will report back when it arrives.

[@JonHanner-un7ef]

REP has been crushing the home gym strength scene for years now. And their new cardio looks innovative too. Rogue is too busy making overpriced bars/plates with nfl stickers. But that doesn't seem to be working since they sold some of their new cable attachments but had to drop their price weeks after launch. Seems desperate.

[@TonyFontanesi]

I have equipment from both REP and Rogue and love both companies. I'm happy that REP has rack options for basements/garages with low ceilings. The 83" just fits with my ceilings.

[@Kakarot_Sports]

Similar situation as this. Does anyone know if a RM-6 can be custom ordered shorter than 90 and still work with the cable system?

[@65jamiejamie]

I love the excitement in your voice talking about gym equipment. Nice work, as always.

[@ericbeaudoin7818]

was thinking the same thing lol

[@JustNel]

This is the type of video I need. Don’t own a house yet but will circle back😂 Looking for functional trainer with smith machine

[@TheRealYoshi7]

Ares 2.0 for me i appreciate more the 2-1 pulley ratio for some light work 🏋️‍♀️

[@Svnchx]

I PO’d the ares 2.0 The pullies at the bottom for rogues are just too low seems like they have the same issue the first ares has but also the double cables at for the lat pulldown for reps are something I prefer Also need to save more space in my garage lol

[@CraigBoas]

When you get around to reviewing the Rogue FM, please show how well (or poorly) it works with Rogue's safety straps. I expect they are incompatible (or at least really inconvenient). Thanks Coop!

[@PatYouells]

literally shopping between these two functional trainers right now. This video came just in time, thanks Coop!

[@michaelpinson1911]

What u getting?

[@binyamj]

Rogue is made in the USA. Enough said. That’s why I bought it.

[@tonya7699]

I bought REP. They are so far ahead in the cable attachment game and their quality and packaging is really good.

[@PatYouells]

The REP showroom is only like an hour from my house so I'll go check the Ares 2.0 there in person when it gets in at the end of the summer. And probably make a decision after that. I got long arms so the added width of the Rogue might sell it for me

[@kyles8391]

I went the REP route with the PR-5000 rack and limited edition Ares 2.0

[@BrianHellman]

Already have a Rogue setup. Emailed their sales and they said they would build out a custom order to make use of my existing stack. So that's the route I'm going.

[@iangrunwald8431]

Dang, I might have to check with them again. I tried a month or two ago and they said they weren’t able to accommodate that yet.

[@mrbungledisco]

I just messaged them to see if I can do the same thing

[@tonya7699]

REP has been crushing it for years with cable attachments. Ares. Adonis. Arcadia. Lat pull down and low row. Etc. Where rogue has had limited options and the slinger was awful. Maybe they started innovating again. Who knows.

[@kyles8391]

I went the REP route with the PR-5000 and limited edition Ares 2.0

[@PhillipHarnage-l6c]

Bro! How do you like it? That’s the same set up that im thinking about going with

[@kyles8391]

@@PhillipHarnage-l6c love the rack, Ares 2.0 ships next month

[@terraGaliciaXXIV]

What did this setup cost?

[@jonathanryding1664]

Do you have a pic of it all set up?

[@kyles8391]

@@jonathanryding1664 the Ares 2.0 doesn't ship until later this month

[@marvellstarks2434]

Perfect video. Rep Ares 2 is designed better for the future

[@Brendonherring522]

How so?

[@marvellstarks2434]

@Brendonherring522 Attachments like new jammer arms and stuff with the cables coming from the bottom now. They prepping for the future.

[@coopertrost3816]

Got the ares 2.0 on pre order first day. Got a rep rack when the first ares came out with the intention to buy the ares in the future. Can’t wait.

[@momotart]

The FM HR (single stack) is completely irrelevant unless the rhino is very important to the user. It's unnecessarily deep (+22") meanwhile the Twin is comparable to the Ares and is only 5" deeper. If you're going to use the back posts for plate storage, then the Ares and Twin are equal but the single stack sticks out beyond your plate storage. Still waiting on the 4 post twin FT add on to drop. They only have the FM-6 twin add on available. If they have the 4 post twin FT available with the uprights, they should sell it without the uprights as well since some of us can convert our existing racks.

[@BrandonSchwartz1]

You can reach out to Rogue directly for a quote on a 4 post. They quoted me $3150 + tax for 100” height, 24” depth, aluminum pulleys with the shrouds.

[@momotart]

@@BrandonSchwartz1 That's just the same price as the FM-6 twin add on even though there's less extension pieces. That said, it matches up with the FML HR (SS) 4 post add on compared to the FML HR 6 (SS) post add on.

[@BrandonSchwartz1]

@@momotart no idea 🤷‍♂️

[@Leonidas0724]

I went with Rep 2.0 Ares as Rogue doesn’t have a short king version. I wish I had space for the taller one but next house with have the 9 foot ceiling and problem solved. Then I’ll probably just buy taller uprights and then use the shorter ones for storage wings like they’re making now.

[@danclarkson87]

You are a legend, Coop! When are you expecting to have them in for review? This video is v helpful but am waiting for you to use them before deciding. Currently leaning towards the twin stack FM-HR from Rogue.

[@jettav88]

What about Prime Fitness Rack, would you pick that over these two? Thank You!

[@raven-19x]

Too expensive imo.

[@jettav88]

@@raven-19x Thank You

[@binyamj]

I bought the Rogue add-on dual stack functional trainer for my monster rack. I bought it with zero reviews posted. It will supposedly be here in 2-3 weeks. I’m excited but also worried.

[@ronaldpena6760]

I did the same in late May. Looking forward too its arrival. Not worried at all, becoming impatient! I expect mine in 2-3 weeks as well.

[@wushah]

Wonder if Ares will next add a Smith machine to it's 2.0, perhaps a 3.0 (similar to Vesta's 3-in-1)?

[@JackTheRabbitMusic]

I’m not in the market, I just enjoy watching reviews from the Monopoly guy. 😂

[@brianpara1407]

I bought mine prior to these announcements. I went with the clear coat 6-post PR-5000 93” height, 41” depth. Selectorized dual Athena with the selectorized lat pulldown and low row + weight stack upgrades, wing add-on dumbbell storage 2.0 on both sides.

[@reachco_andrew]

How do you like the low row? I’m looking at getting that now for my Athena setup. A gym pin on one stack just isn’t cutting it! 😂

[@brianpara1407]

@@reachco_andrew it’s decent. The lat pulldown is better, but the low row is good and does what it needs to do. I recommend an adjustable bench with a decline so you don’t have to sit on the floor.

[@michaelbitter7682]

Roughly how much does such a setup cost? Are you looking at 5 grand or 10 grand or what?

[@michaelbitter7682]

What is Athena compared to Ares?

[@AustinHavok]

Hey Brian, how do you like it? Do you have the exact measurements for depth? I got about 60 inches to work with in the garage. Concerned it will not fit

[@AgentOfLogos]

I didn't watch your video yet but Rep is hard to beat on most things these days. Rogue is just falling behind when you consider all of the variables

[@mdarif2176]

47" rack is where it's at. I don't think the 2" difference is going to make a difference in the stretch.

[@jckclt]

When rep or rogue has an option with a smith machine built in, I'll buy then

[@TheCarterHomeGym]

I'm still waiting for a Rhino weight stack version 😮‍💨

[@julian2719]

How can I convince my wife that this is the minimum we need so she can squat 45 lbs?

[@donnarochna2959]

I ordered the Ares 2.0 today through your link. Thank you for your reviews!

[@brandonv8721]

REP for the low height and that I'm 20 min from their headquarters

[@astang1072]

I have Rogue equipment. ML rack, 29mm and 28mm bars, 15kg bar, deep dish plates. Don’t care that I could have saved a few $$. Buy American!!!

[@tarian2024]

Honestly, your reviews have been so incredibly helpful. I am researching what I would like to upgrade to in the future, from dumbbells and a weight bench. Your energy & excitement is palpable and permeates not only your demeanor but your in depth and detailed honest reviews of the equipment. I thought I would just get a little here and there from Amazon later on when I was ready to upgrade, but now you have me drooling over Rogue and REP Racks. Thank you!!!! And when I am ready and have the dedicated space, I promise to get horse stall mats and not those cheap spongey ones (that I may or may not be using now 🤣) Thanks, Coop!!

[@cameronharris86]

I ordered the FM6-twin. Do you think they’ll be able to figure out the Rhino drop in for the twin stack version?

[@seanterheyden9816]

Getting ready to outfit our first home Gym. Newbie question, do attachments from different companies work on different machines? For example, if we get the Ares 2.0, will the Pritchett Pad from Rogue fit on there? I'm assuming the 3 x 3 with 1 inch holes are a universal type of thing? Thanks!

[@THEREALTWISTEDINSANE]

Indeed, but some companies are different so there might be a little play , but generally yes

[@raven-19x]

REP currently is my only option as a basement dweller. I'm hoping for a smith machine attachment similar to what ForceUSA has as that would be a peak home gym rack.

[@killerkhatiby009]

Coop, one aspect of 49" vs 47" that I don't see mentioned often is if you're tall or long-limbed having a wider inside can allow more elbow/knee room for benching and squatting and not hitting the safeties with wider stances/positions. I'm 6ft tall and MUCH prefer a wider interior rack, the small size difference is actually quite noticeable in use.

[@billchurch4460]

I hear ya. I'm not even six foot, have Rogue's RM6 and even with the 49" width I find myself occasionally making contact with my safeties during certain exercises, certain positioning etc. I can't imagine what things might be like with less interior width, even if it's only two inches. Right now, it's a rare occurrence and more of a distraction when it does happen. With two less inches I could see it potentially being a problem.

[@chazcarpenter1559]

I really want that Rogue FM-HR Twin stack. Just wishes they’d find a way to incorporate the rhino belt squat. Id buy it immediately

[@HighSpinSwingSpeed]

For the Rogue if you have a 43" depth rack and small lever arms, can you just put the lever arms on the middle uprights?

[@shawnprinkey3528]

Would love to see you compare the Force USA G15 Pro with these 2!

[@edwardmeyer7178]

Hands down, I own 3 Rep PR-5000's and can tell you that there is no substitute for variety and co-hesive unity for a rack eco-system... Almost everyone makes compatible attachments for The Rep Eco-system. Once you own the best, you'll understand PERIOD!!!

[@1994chocolatemilk]

I'm leaning heavily towards Rep. They're built well enough and I like the large amount of options that they have. I can handle slightly inferior craftsmanship as long as it is still quality work.

[@jkamarn]

How do they compare to the Prime Prodigy 1 HLP selectorized rack?

[@raven-19x]

If you have the money for Prime then go for it. It looks overpriced to me for what it does/lacks.

[@ethanaderemi]

you need to do a follow-up on Kensui: they are scammers. They took my money in MAY and kept giving me the runaround on shipping. It still hasn't shipped, and now they are refusing to give my money back (I got the maxes btw). I'm not the only one. I got them based on your endorsement, but they are scammers. You need to do a follow-up stating that many of their customers have been stiffed.

[@thedrdoubleshot]

Bulletproof vts lite and vts review when???

[@bieszo]

Please 🙏🏾

[@j.c.b.c.6452]

Coop! Could you do a Force USA leg press review please? Side by side review of the compact and full size versions.

[@Daniel-st3eu]

Guess I’m going rogue since I have the rack already 😕

[@Blarggnugget]

I would really like to see you get a hold of the plate loaded rogue FM and see how belt squats work with it. it looks like you could just attach a belt to the low row and it would work. the selectorized doesn't look like it would work for it though as the stack goes to far into the rack and too close to the low row mount

[@bobbypilon3144]

We want dip attachement comparaison

[@mjamarinus]

When will Ares 2.0 be available for purchase in EU?

[@buyoncecryonce87]

love this! as a current RM-6 + drop in belt squat owner, has Rogue hinted when they will release a version of the functional trainer that integrates with this setup?

[@Godz3211]

Finally the video I’ve been waiting for!!! I’m a bodybuilder so I’m leaning REP for the double pulleys, but I like made in America plus I want a dang belt squat! Might just have to get a standalone lol

[@elvelos7936]

Chiken story is funny man lol. Nothing better than having a family and having chickens 🐓 😂😂😂.

[@BigHA1Rcut]

I want a drop in rhino for the monster lite

[@nathanrobinson3302]

Considering a purchase of the plate loaded single stack Rogue FM-HR (the half rack functional trainer) but cannot seem to find answers to two questions: (1) can the FM-HR be converted to a full rack later if and when I have more space; and (2) will the drop-in Rhino work on the plate loaded FM-HR or do I have to purchase the full rack? The main reason I am leaning towards the plate loaded version is to ensure the drop in Rhino can be added later but I need to know if it will work on the half rack or if the full rack is required. Thanks Coop and I am waiting patiently for your hands on review of these Rogue functional trainers!

[@jasonbond3567]

With the pronounced cross member rear base stabilizer (RBS), it looked like the REP stand alone lat pull-down/low row could be reasonably used as a belt squat by standing on the RBS. Does anyone know if it would be possible to use the ares 2.0 (or 1.0 for that matter) in the same way as a belt squat?

[@BrandonSchwartz1]

Ares you can’t because the RBS is built into the bottom frame, but you can use the REP belt squat with it

[@thouveninvijayan3073]

It's not that expensive considering than 1 machine from Arsenal, Panatta, Hammer is around 4k € By the way, for machines, order copy from China and save yourself

[@apuz13]

When will you review Jacked Up Brands/Fitness?

[@MrMadeinthe80s]

Id like to see a comparison with the Maxum SX2.

[@DaveSchneider7]

Yeah, GGR is way too fixated on Rep and Rogue. The articulating cable arms on the SX2 and ATX Monster 2.0 make both these racks look outdated already

[@dillonproctor369]

Coop, been trying to decide on a functional trainer/smith for like 6 months. Would love to see a review on the 3 in 1 smith from Vesta! That thing looks like a beast. Also, would like to see a comparison on the more budget friendly Spirit B52 from Major Fitness. Hope this comment finds you! Lol

[@dillonproctor369]

​​⁠Not sure if this is a scam or not, but wanted to make you guys aware of this @GarageGymReviews. If not, what does this mean? Lol

[@iamswright1853]

REP

[@permaculture3]

I feel you Basement Brandon. -Basement Sam

[@Ivel307]

I'm such a broke boy..... 5k is so far from a doable price. Guess my cheap butt is going to Amazon.

[@kennethgreen114]

I'm going with Rogue. I think for the money you get just a little more.

[@sirlost94]

What do you think of the half rack vs the full rack? I’m trying to save space but the half rack looses pull up bar and seems like you might be cramped benching even in the front

[@lauriedewey]

I am in the middle of building my Rogue 43” Twin Stack Functional Trainer (100” height in Burnt Orange since the rack is next to all of our KTM bikes) and am beyond IMPRESSED with the quality of EVERYTHING - Packaging - perfect, not a single ding or scratch, everything labeled and accounted for; Assembly instructions - while I’m only halfway through, it’s been a flawless assembly so far. We are just going slow because it’s still super hot here (SW UT and no mini split in the garage yet) and we like to MTB or dirt bike in the morning before we start work on our “erector set”; Build quality - again, so amazing. Everything is machined perfectly, fits perfectly, slides when it should slide and stays in place when it shouldn’t slide; Engineering - you can tell some serious thought went into the design of this product and how it all goes together while leaving options for future modifications. Side note: I also ordered a bunch of the “6 Shooter machined grip plates” but they were out of the 45# ones, so I got the Bells of Steel 45# grip plates. While the Bells of Steel plates are very nice and easy to move around, the Rogue 6 Shooter plates are just beautiful and I love them already. But the BoS plates were a lot cheaper so I would highly recommend them to anyone looking for good looking grip plates without breaking the bank.

[@matt009817]

Hi, I’m looking at the same thing, but height restricted to the 90.” There’s not a lot of reviews or comments online. Do you think the 43” depth is worth the walkout or do you think 30” would have been better? I wouldn’t want smaller than that, but it seems like 36” would be the sweet spot. Just trying to figure it out for myself. I would be using the Rogue Safety Strap System 2.0 rather than Spotter Arms

[@lauriedewey]

@@matt009817 I personally like the 43” depth but I hate feeling constricted and our garage is huge so we weren’t worried about fitting into the space. We also got the safety strap 2.0 and like them a lot.

[@31BT]

When are we getting a hands-on review of the Rogue?

[@Project.NV.2024]

I messaged rogue about the dual stack (on two different occasions) and was told the individual stacks will be 150lbs each totaling the same as the single stack. Also as a side note, the plate loaded has a 800lbs weight limit. The limiting factor being the cable.

[@Project.NV.2024]

To add more context, I order the single stack with 300lbs weight stack. I was told the twin stack is the same as the single stack just with two 150lbs stacks* vs a 300lbs stack on the single. With all the talks of a rhino drop in for the FM series, I wonder how that will work with only a 300lbs stack. I was also told the plate loaded has a 800lbs weight limit (the cables being the limiting factor). It seems the best bet would be opt for plate loaded to prepare for the Rhino drop in as this would allow up to 800lbs for a belt squat. I am thinking of changing my single stack to either the plate loaded or dual stack. I plan to call Rogue tomorrow to discuss further. Curious to hear others thoughts. *the two 150lbs stacks came from Rogue customer service on two different occasions.

[@avalera32]

The pics of each system at the 1:00 mark is labeled incorrectly.

[@nygaming9040]

Rogue's claim that 1 pulley is better than 2 is dumb.

[@thaijitsu100]

The drop in rhino + twin stack is my dream. I’m assuming there is no way that you can add twin stacks to a rhino drop in?

[@Fuzzynitrous]

For now no, hopefully they make it in the future

[@JAGGfit]

Pulley's off-centre on the outside of the uprights is a big drawback for me. Limits functionality when using accessories that attach to the uprights (i.e thresher pad). That's why Prime's Prodigy is still top in my books.

[@BrandonSchwartz1]

What would you use the inline for if you have a lat pulldown and low row area? Like a chest supported row or something?

[@JAGGfit]

@@BrandonSchwartz1 yeah exactly, just bracing in general. Using accessories like the thresher pad to stabilise and centralise yourself with the cable for movements is unmatched.

[@mghtymous21]

At the 1 min mark the machines are labeled incorrectly

[@mghtymous21]

0:58

[@tim300wsm]

Dickmod disappeared from the AR world it’s not that great

[@rickydw9152]

can you make a video on the crandall fitness jammer arms!

[@breezy3107]

Biggest question I have is regarding the 2:1 ratio on the SINGLE stack Rogue FM for the functional trainer aspect of the machine. If someone is doing a unilateral movement on the functional trainer handles it's my understanding that it will feel like half of the weight stack, but if both sides of the functional trainer at once on a single stack, will the weight on each extremity "feel like" 1/4 of the stack weight. For example, if stack is set to 100# , if I'm using only one of the functional trainer handles then I presume it will feel like 50#. However, if the handles are being used simultaneously (ie chest flies) then the shared "feels like" weight would be 25# on each arm? Anyone able to speak to this with certainty?

[@coryclark5890]

Good question!

[@markhalstead2386]

I contacted Rogue and they said both side would feel like 50 is the stack is set at 100. This is why the front pulley cable travel is so low compared to the twin stack.

[@flexmarksthespot]

Ares 2.0 for me because I did not like the two hand trolley operation of Rogue's and because I'm a basement dweller so Rogue doesn't make an option for us mole people. Got to try both at HomeGymCon btw

[@andrew79011]

what about the REP Athena with late pull down/ low row?

[@Noahbdh]

REP keeping the Ares 2.0 the same price as their 1.0 probably proves they arent increasing their margins. Rogue dropping prices like that, just makes me thing they were over charging for years, and now feel a drop off in volume.

[@bobbyhunt3009]

REP has definitely raised their prices. They have made their name now so look out World we are going to have TWO Rogues from here on out as far as pricing goes. Titan and BOS are the new REP for pricing but their Quality and Fit & Finish does not match REP's. This should open the door for Fringesport to become the Old REP but their pricing is entering the realm of Rogue and New REP so we have 3 very expensive companies who make Nice Equipment or we have 2 lower level pricing companies who make average equipment (Equipment Won't knock your socks off as far as Quality, Fit & Finish) but prices are lower.

[@rjm656]

I'm not so sure. Look at what Rogue charges for some of their other items like lat pulldown or standalone functional trainer. Way more expensive. When Rogue released these FT attachments, they were more expensive, then they lowered the price a few weeks later. I think Rogue is just trying to compete and didn't get many takers at a premium price point with a product that isn't better than REP's.

[@bobbyhunt3009]

@@rjm656 You make a Great point!!!!! Rogue has always been so expensive to me that I never buy their stuff. I might've spoken prematurely with this one product that is comparable in price. Rogue charges such high prices, this one competitive price doesn't change who they are, they must offer more and more competitive prices before my statement is true. It does seem that REP, Titan, and BOS have raised their prices on their new stuff but REP and Fringesport are still much lower than Rogue. As far as functional trainers go Fringesport's Dane looks to have the heaviest weight stack due to it's 1:1 Ratio

[@JuStUsiNc07]

Coop we need the CTM-1 vs Adonis

[@klendatas1]

Butt chafing 😂😂😂

[@LevaMedical]

Would be cool to see the ROGUE FM-6 FT plate loaded + Voltra I. Seems like Beyond power got the Twin mode figured out.

[@MetalsForBrunch]

i would stick with rogue for $200 more than Rep to get USA made. Rep fitness is innovative but its very overpriced for overseas china made materials. Rep lost to Rogue on value. Rogue lost to Rep on innovation and sleek design.

[@rodolfomedini9931]

I'm so glad there are so many options to choose from with racks nowadays

[@stevesorensen9648]

I hear you. My first home gym in 1990 was crap equipment from Champ sports. Bench broke in just a couple months. The stuff out there now via the internet is just incredible. It's come so far.

[@VulcanEditing]

Tbh i think the biggest difference is the stacks on the rogue being on the sides vs Rep's being in tbe back of the rack. Personally i think Rep is a clear winner but i also really prefer thw weight atacks in the back of the power rack instead of on tbe sides.

[@criticalstruggle3428]

When is Reps stainless steel uprights coming out?

[@BrandonSchwartz1]

Supposed to be later this year

[@SaulFemm]

Mustache on point Coop

[@reggiesworld777]

Coop we need you to pick one I wanted the rogue because I feel like the attachments are better quality but the rep 2.0 looks sick I'm confused now. Please pick the best . I'm leaning towards rogue but I trust your judgment.

[@stevesorensen9648]

The commercial gym I go to has some Rogue and Rep Fitness equipment (as well as others). I don't think the Rep Fitness equipment is comparable at all. Rogue equipment is just so much more robust. Honestly some of the Rep Fitness racks that they have seem flimsy in comparison. When I'm ready to purchase a functional trainer it's 100% going to be Rogue 🇺🇸. Sidebar, I split my training between my garage and commercial gym.

[@doseofreality100]

Prime Fitness' prodigy racks are still superior IMO. I just priced out a Rogue FM-HR twin functional trainer to make it look like my prodigy.... and it's pretty much the exact same price. Rep's ares is a bit cheaper.... but it's not the same layout.... well... neither is the Rogue's option but it's closer. And... if you opt for the Prime Prodigy plate loaded rack.... it IS about the same price as the Rep Ares rack... $4850. The prodigy plate loaded rack also uses black magic and allows you to change the pulley ratio on the uprights between 2:1 and 4:1. Don't get me wrong.... I'm thrilled other companies are finally pulling their head out of their ass and making rack-FT hybrid machines. I still think Prime Fitness' option is the best. Not saying one wouldn't be satisfied with a Rep or Rogue option. But I feel like people think those 2 are the only 2 options out there. Prime's prodigy racks are $5500 for the selectorized (stack.... dual 350 lb stacks that is... STANDARD... no upgrading to a heavy stack required) and $4850 for the plate loaded version. Rogue's FM-HR with half rack feet is $4945.... but with 300lb stacks..... not 350lb stacks. Assuming a CHEAP $1/lb.... IF they had a 350lb stack option that rack would be about.... $5050.... at least. The ares 2.0 I priced out to look similar to the prodigy was about $4900 as well. The only thing Rogue and Rep have on Prime is the shipping costs. That's about it. So I can't fault one for going with either of those companies. If I started from scratch though.... I might actually go with the Rogue option. But that's only because I live only like 3 hours away from Columbus... I'd just rent or borrow someone's truck and go pick it up myself. That and Rogue's monster line has a wider selection of rack attachments. That said... Prime is slowly picking up their game in that department.... slowly but surely catering a bit more to the home gym owner. Hell... when I went to prime's website years ago to build out my prodigy rack they didn't even post prices of their equipment on their website... they were one of "those" companies, haha. Not only that but prime is offering more attachments for their racks nowadays too. Stuff they offer I'm not sure Rogue or rep offers is an adjustable stability pad attachment for the functional trainer aspect of their rack. A pad that you can lean against for support while doing something like cable flies/ reverse- rear delt flies... etc. They also have that bench centering device.... assuming you also have their adjustable bench. Their RO-T8 adjustable pull up attachment is fucking phenomenal. All I'm saying is.... if you're in the market for a dual functional trainer-rack setup... don't forget about prime fitness. They're priced in line with Rogue for sure.... and imo Rep as well. Unlike Rep prime actually builds their own shit at their factory in PA. Which might actually be a deterrent for some as they will have a longer lead time... you know.... because they actually fabricate their own shit and just don't have a warehouse full of their Chinese stock. Remember when Coop and this Channel were all about American made products. I do. Those were the good old days. Haha. Now he's a salesman for Rep. I get it. I'm not faulting him for making a solid living. You gotta do what you gotta do. Integrity be damned. And it's not like Rep is a... terrible brand per se. It just... is what it is. Mass produced Chinese equipment. And that's fine. But when that mass produced Chinese stuff is only moderately cheaper than the options from Rogue or Prime.... I'd go with either of the latter two. As for you, Coop. It might sound like I'm digging on you and your channel. Some people have and don't like the way this channel has gone the last 2-3 years. I personally.... think it's incredible what you've done. Having started watching your content out of your garage with the ugly (no offense) plywood walls, haha, reviewing equipment to what this channel is now is impressive as hell. I can't help but congratulate you. That said.... you have become a whore for Rep.... likely because they pay you nowadays. I get it. But I remember when you weren't paid by anybody and when that was the case you were all about American made equipment and specifically Rogue. That's all I'm saying. Only thing I wish this channel would do more of is review a broader range of items. I get your target demo is new home gym owners.... but there's so much more out there than just racks, FTs, benches, bars, plates, dumbells, and cardio equipment. Would love to see more reviews of strength machines... legitimate machines (none of those plate loaded dual leg extension/curl "machines"). I know Rep doesn't make anything like that so you likely won't review many machines to compare it to Rep and then say Rep's version is better.... but this is an equipment review channel.... not a Rep review (marketing) channel.... right?..... RIGHT?! haha

[@colejensen1035]

Why doesn’t Rogue sell a twin functional trainer “add-on” option for 4 post monster racks. I messaged Rogue about this and they basically said that I had to convert my rack to a 6 post or buy the entire functional trainer. Thanks for supporting customers who bought into your monster ecosystem… make it make sense.

[@momotart]

Agreed. they sell a 4 post twin FT but won't sell it as an add on.

[@BrandonSchwartz1]

Message them again and talk to custom order department. They quoted me $3150 + tax for 100” height, 24” depth, aluminum pulleys and shrouds for my 4 post monster rack

[@colejensen1035]

@@BrandonSchwartz1 Thanks!

[@jamesodonoghue5818]

I had the old Rogue RML-3 (welded), which, as far as I can tell, is not compatible with the new FM line. Before the FM line was released I bought a PR 4000 with the intention of getting an Athena or Aries. Nothing against Rogue but they lost my business to rep by being late to market.

[@xanderverse1474]

As I have both a Rep PR5000 (w/ 2 Athena’s and lat pulldown) and Rogue Monster rack with the Rhino I’ was hoping that Rogue found a way to incorporate the Rhino into this, but their lack of innovation is really the reason I’ve invested so much more into Rep recently.

[@MIKE_BLM_BDS_ACAB]

I don't have any REP equipment I have Rogue. Rogue just seems over rated, over priced and slower to innovate. If I could start over I'd go REP. 47 inch wide, better value and you know they will keep coming up with new add ons. Their customer service is also way better. Rogue never fails to disappoint.

[@chaosdisciple3052]

Yep. I bought the Rml, and it came unfinished. Most overrated company in the game.

[@binyamj]

What’s wrong with it? I don’t have any issues with my Rogue equipment. Also, Rep is chinese shit, I would never trust it.

[@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans]

Rogue is being wider is slightly better in my opinion for bar balance when loading weight

[@hby7768]

Bought some rogue stuff the packaging is bad. But stuff from rogue. Quality seems just as good but the packaging is miles ahead. Meaning the attention to detail is at the top of the game. My rogue stuff have some scuff marks on them because of the bad package, no attention to detail and/or bad qc.

[@MIKE_BLM_BDS_ACAB]

@@binyamj Hate to break it to you but a lot of manufacturing is lightyears ahead in China. There is a bit of brainwashing here. They do make some low quality shit in China they also make next level super cool stuff. Pretty sure your phone and computer were totally or largely built there.

[@bieszo]

Video Idea 💡 Since a lot has changed in the space I would love to see an endgame list of all the products you would buy to have for the rest of your life with no upgrades. Could maybe call out other KZbinrs and see who can create the best no budget build in terms of value. Feel free to add onto the list below: Rack Functional Trainer Plates Barbell Specialty Bars Storage Flooring Rack Attachments Adjustable Bench Flat Bench Dumbbells Collars Machines Etc.

[@Aurelio_E]

I own the 1.0 and saddened that my 1.0 became obsolete so quickly after I purchased it. Rep is offering previous owners 25% off to buy another ares system but that’s a large expense again. On comparison of these systems, they are similar in price and rogue quality I would say is possibly superior but you also receive REP rewards which allows you to buy more rep equipment.

[@darthvasilis]

Sounds like the Ares 2.0 is overall the better option: Heavier weight stack, smaller footprint, easier to use/smoother trolly system, more convenient cable routing on the trolly, dual pulleys add more versatility, low row allows using a bench as an option, and it's a cheaper price. Plus, I think it looks more badass. So extra point for style. Not really seeing a reason to consider Rogue over Rep here unless someone either wants the Rogue model that can be used with the Rhino, or is a stickler for buying products that are made is the US.

[@MN-Unicorn]

I was looking at the Prime Prodigy a couple years ago, then put my research on hold... now I just learned Rogue came out with a functional trainer/power rack combo. My homework starts over. Would love a comparison/review of those!