Rogue Griefs Full Dungeon Group

[@kelpie1533]

11:50 It's likely the rogue was trying to solo a Flame Keeper in the Lyceum for one of the torches. It's easy to mess up though, especially if you're not 60 and chain pull nearby groups. Vanish often fails as the mobs can batch attack you knocking you back out of stealth. Best bet is to evade the groups by jumping on the ledge that runs round the room if you make a mistake.

[@xmoxipavonispetinus8539]

no bro he used defensive and take all bro.he stay steal box .the tanks was in my guild

[@lubomirgenov4346]

The mage could simply tell the other guys.. that he is doing a pull and they should care.. or not enter at all

[@Kelbourg]

Yep, as simple as that. Just a tiny bit of communication. But I guess its too hard for some people xD

[@Chriscx]

So true. All I had to do was say "doin an aoe pull while I wait, care if u enter". That's why I tried so hard to get everyone out alive. as I said in the video, I hastily checked where everyone was, and incorrectly concluded they were all outside waiting at MC for the warrior. I also figured if the group even entered, we could just step out. I never expected my buddy to enter the instance and go afk w/o logging out, and he surely never expected I'd try to do a pull. The irony is that even if I had typed that, the druid wouldn't have seen it because he was already in the instance afk at that point, as Xar pointed out. I think afk is the most dangerous thing in HC, I'd rather do that pull naked than go afk in hostile territory haha! You never know when someone's inner moron may come out!

[@SonGoku5363]

@@Chriscx Bro i wouldve cried the second i saw the priest PWS me while doing a fat aoe pull

[@Accelerate55]

@@Chriscxhonestly man, coming from another mage, that’s typical mage greed. You just couldn’t resist waiting for everyone without grinding that juicy pack first, and paid the price in full. Irrespective of what everyone else was doing and how “stock” that aoe grind seemed, it was your choice to start the pull.

[@Shadowfax2121]

@@Accelerate55And the other folks' choice to go in and heal him. I mean honestly, you could see what he's doing a mile away.

[@yetti3825]

I'm the priest @3:31 - This was at the end of the dungeon and the tank and pally had already hearthed. Mages asked if I wanted to stick around and run armory, so we were running out when we got hit with all the respawns. I was talking to a friend on discord teaching him how to write macros and didn't truly even recognize the danger of the situation until it was too late, forgetting these guys stun. I know several things to improve upon in my next run. 1 - get used to using my health pot! I don't think I've had to use a single health pot this entire run (priests are seriously OP). 2 - I could have gotten way better use out of my fear. 3 - I definitely should have faded! Avoiding a hit, even for .1 second would have been enough. By the time it occurred to me to hit fade, other spells became higher priority. 4 - In my increasing panic to get out, I ran too close to frost nova'd mobs when the mage wasn't a viable target for them, so of course they hit me instead. 5 - my armor buff was down, but what I see some others have pointed out, I never used my racial either. That's another thing I'm out of habit using, and I have since bound it to a more prominent key. Thank you for pointing that out! 6 - My second priest is an engineer. Mining mats sell incredible and a target dummy would have saved me there. As a bonus I get goggles and grenades!

[@leinonibishop9480]

Also /shield/renew. You had mana why not use an instant cast heal while running.

[@yetti3825]

@@leinonibishop9480 I used two shields in that clip, but a renew would also have made the difference between life and death there.

[@leinonibishop9480]

@@yetti3825 yep i'm just in the habit of hitting shield then renew automatically if i'm running away or mid fight. i'm sure my own priest's death will be just as panicked lol. we live, we die, we go agane!

[@thiccroman]

Honestly I don’t blame you at all. I’m a little more upset at the two mages with aoe slow and cc that abandoned you and the paladin. Those mobs never should have been up on you like that in the first place with two mates. Ever.

[@Vittrich]

7 - After you get used to Pots, invest in Healthpots that are your lvl, it can make the difference.

[@theatfshotmydog8224]

Man Xaryu missed it but the rogue that killed "Jacked Cdew" was the same rogue that died to Bobka 🤣🤣🤣

[@joachimlarsen2k]

I audibly grunted when he died a millimeter from the entrance at 10:38, holy shit

[@xPulse582]

Does anyone know what UI the person at 4:00 is using (party/target frames)? Need help finding it, it looks clean!

[@yetti3825]

That's me. Leatrix Plus - gives me the square minimap (if I right click my map I can see all my addon buttons) Also I used this to move my buffs and debuffs to the left of my player frame. Bartender 4 - for the spell bars I'm using the default party frames - just switched to raid frames Easy Frames - Slightly changes the look of my player and target frame and allows me to modify how my health and mana are displayed. Plater - better name plates above mobs head BigDebuffs - you can see my portrait frame turn to the stun icon with a count down TitanPanel - data bar up top. Probably not noticed by anyone, but one of my favorite things I pair this addon with is the addon DropTheCheapestThing (seen to the middle right). This shows me list of what I have in my inventory that vendors for the cheapest. It's a quick way to clear out some junk to make room for something better. Not shown, but I'll rep it anyways because it's one of my favorite - can't live without it - kinda addons - Adibags. No other bag addon comes close. But I highly recommend turning off the Track new items filter, turning off the Right-click to open options, and finally turning off the Merge Free Space.

[@xPulse582]

@@yetti3825 dude awesome thanks!

[@smitty7326]

the moment he noticed the priest, he should have communicated "out out out." As with so many HC deaths, it's that moment of hesitation in a situation that we've never been in before in ~20 years of playing the game.

[@Chriscx]

The goal was to kite it back past the portal for another nova to make sure me and the priest could both get out, which we would have easily. No one had to die at all. But when I realized the druid was afk in the instance the entire time and if he got aoe combat pulsed he'd die when we exited. I wanted to do everything I could to save him. It's a shame because the only reason that BRD pull is safe / repeatable is because if you RNG some resists, you just run out. Even if the entire group had entered, We could have just all backpedaled out the door. We go again!

[@smitty7326]

@@Chriscx wow thanks for the response :). It's one of those HC deaths where everyone played reasonably well and everyone had excellent intentions, there were just minor lapses. We go agane my friend, and I'm sure you'll be back there soon.

[@Igelme]

@@Chriscx The whole thing could've been avoided by just typing "gonna aoe farm thrash while we wait for the group, don't aggro or join the instance"

[@Acolis]

3/5 party members died because we thought we could handle the additional mobs that spawned right on top of us. healer did call out but the rest of us didnt follow thinking we were going to manage them. and i think we could have if the healer hadnt bailed. luckily for me being a mage i was able to just blink away but the warrior, priest, and rogue didnt make it, just me and the hunter. we were level 23 doing the castle elites in redridge. didnt end well for us. i barely got away LOL

[@MASmeinezeit]

Chrisc is one of the saddest deaths I've seen in hardcore. He looks like a really good player. He tries to help his group. (Very interesting breakdown by him btw.) And yet... gets killed in the last second... ;(

[@Chriscx]

Ah thanks very much man! It was definitely tragic but at least I went down swinging! My biggest fear was to die to a d/c or something similar. We goin again!

[@xunderscoreben]

@@Chriscxhell yeah bro! Expertly played!

[@playablecharacter3871]

Bro the clip at 6:30 or so, this may be the only time that I've really wanted to see someone's reaction to something before seeing it in a react, that whole death made me think a lot cause I saw it while I was learning to AoE and I extrapolated every little part of it to what I was doing. I ended up losing the mage to a 4man dungeon wipe but it was all really interesting

[@RaimaNd]

Bro that mage should comment pro arena matches he knows what's up lol

[@aboveayden]

no it just shows pve experience vs arena experience- the blizzard rotation is pretty common knowledge even if it sounded pretentious hes being honest

[@jamesdean3938]

@@aboveayden he actually does have arena experience and has casted his own games before fun to watch iirc he's consistently at least 2100+ and has pushed 2400+ a few seasons

[@kurrandor]

Thanks for the upload!! Perfect timing

[@beauskelton7819]

Rule #1 if you go afk: log out

[@Namn-2028]

To evade stiches, from the flight Point in Darkshire, run to the back of it where you can jump to the Inn rooftop

[@Ronzert]

5:52 Isn't the range of shackle greater? I know I'd be standing at max range to cast, especially if that shit will one shot you lol

[@wingsofsuspensionlifts6814]

if stiches comes for you, run to the flight path guy and jump to the roof behind him.

[@60sekundenpolitik]

Why people dont have swiftness potions?^^

[@hunt-o2b]

becuase u need swiftthistle and its expensive in both ways creating it and buying it ready.

[@RatsoMan20]

We had a guy kill someone on that mind control then brag in guild chat he was an officer and guild leader removed him and started a guild black list just for him

[@churt4490]

14:23 So.. you can totally see that “blacked out name”-guy already had the specific dude that died targeted beforehand basically the entire time..??? Haha. 😂

[@BeanieGuy1293]

I'm just happy I made it to lvl20 without dying lol

[@jeeshhseej9347]

I feel like saying that rogue killing the MC'd hunter is not a grief cause MC is part of a quest is like saying your car has bumpers so its okay to ram my car into your car cause thats what bumpers are for.

[@ZapatosVibes]

Killing MC'ed player intentionally is 100% a grief.

[@giveuscyrus534]

Its 100% fun. Hc andies cry too much

[@michaellogan1743]

bobka killed the 40 rogue that killed eyekonttv XD the irony

[@Gs57977]

Name of first paly streamer please ?

[@Notpoop906]

Used to do that BRD pull all the time while leveling locks or mages lol

[@moneyarab]

mage in BRD learned some hard life lessons. main one being "fck 'em"

[@moneyarab]

PPCs are always nice but sometimes you can be too nice. Do what you can for them but take care of yourself first. Dont rely on a random or trust they know the move i feel like

[@sdwone]

Believe it or not, that first Stitches video bought back stressful memories 😳 A bloody hunter was trying to grief me, by kiting him to Darkshire! Ran into the cellar but, fortunately, I think the guards managed to intervene! Otherwise I was toast!!! Watch yourselves out there people! Now that the stakes are THIS high, grieffers are going to have a field day!!! 😡

[@taunted1010]

You know stitches goes to dark shire regardless right...

[@jeremy7931]

Damn that priest at 3:42 got fucking bullied lmao

[@JKaiserable]

Xaryu so confused about not wanting to leave his friends hanging out to dry.

[@Repentance1]

So, finally what happened with Darkfarmer ?

[@mattpk1609]

Ouch the triple HOJ

[@FF7Cloud]

in a longer version of the brd clip the rogue asks them to drop combat while he was far away. he either got caught trying to catch up or lost patience and said fuck this group

[@steelas481]

3:50 im at least attempting to press fade.....im selfish like htat

[@derekpowersblight]

That mc kill is malicious intent yes its grief.

[@kkbbss]

I don't care how much some people try and defend that MC kill at the end. That is 100% a grief. Yes MC is a risk mechanic that can kill you or someone else. But there is a difference in someone being killed cause of MC by mistake while doing group content together and stuff like this. The rogue literal had the hunter targeted even before MC had happened and was beelining to him cause he knew what was about to happen.

[@Blubbii88]

The problem with MC is, that the MC can attack other players, so to defend yourself you have to be able to attack them back. If MCed player can't attack other player, it would make the MC completely unthreatening and take out the danger of the skill. Basically just a passive pet that way. MC was just not made for hardcore.

[@Spoteddy]

10:45 rip 851g (might be total not person)

[@ElvisFreshly]

Died trying to save the afk druid… what a chad mage

[@CapnJrod]

That was Cdews long lost cousin, Cdont

[@mattsmenagerie5603]

100% grief, no question.

[@kalamoudi]

Not at all, it's part of the intended game mechanic.

[@mcbain1131]

That Chrisc player is top G

[@j_shaw]

that mage could've prevented 2 deaths at least; maybe the rogue woulda died but at least the priest wouldntve been insta gibbed. i see so many frost mages in my hc dungeons that NEVER touch their aoe buttons under any circumstance; only nova to save their own life. they just shit their pants when they see 2 packs pulled together and spam their little frostbolt instead of helping the party with their insane toolkit. if you find a good mage in your dungeon, add them to friends and reinvite them to your runs :) same for priests and warrior, some roles are too important in hc to entrust complete randoms with.

[@djlancer88]

that mage brd was wild dude so fun to watch that

[@Chriscx]

Haha thanks, so awesome to watch Xaryu react to it live on stream.

[@joshuasummerhill6457]

OOOOOOH MIND CONTROL!

[@chlander-man1802]

Chrisc kinda sounded like the Joker playing WoW hardcore xD

[@RipleyEll]

This is why Im not doing dungeons in hardcore, id rather just take forever questing and grinding

[@lolwut6666]

Yeah certainly you'll be a garbage player

[@willisverynice]

Priest could also have applied inner fire to themselves.

[@leinonibishop9480]

And renew

[@rhojak7798]

15:35 funny stuff. Love it.

[@olfan92]

Because the syndicate mobs are alliance. these mobs are friendly to alliance.

[@g0nstyle]

How the hell does the mage level up to level 12 in 2hours and 40minuts?? 7:43

[@jasonmooney5897]

"Most importantly, this also includes taking actions to deliberately cause the death of another player, such as (but not limited to) kiting higher level or elite mobs onto or near other players with the intent that they take damage and die, or deliberately causing a wipe in a raid or dungeon group. This is not a PvP realm, and the normal PvP realm rules do not in any way apply to this realm. Outside of a normal Duel to the Death, consensual PvP flagging, or Wargames killing other players isn’t the core goal of Hardcore gameplay. If players are found to make it their goal to take part in this kind of disruptive style of play, we reserve the right to take immediate and decisive action against anyone found to be deliberately causing this disruption to other players on these realms, including permanent account closure."

[@CleverWoodenRhino]

priest had like 6 seconds after that fear he could have faded, probably wouldnt have gotten stunned?

[@yetti3825]

I'm that priest @3:31. I think I'm up to 7 different things I could have done differently that would have saved my life in that situation. I do think fade would have made the difference between life and death, but at least that first stun would have happened even if I did fade. I was the only viable target when I ran past a pack of frost nova'd mobs, so I was definitely gonna be hit. However, frost nova let up and mage ran past me, but most of them were still on me after that. So you're right, fade probably would have bought me about 1 full second of life.

[@smitty7326]

MC'ed hunter - how is that possibly not a grief? That's the griefiest grief. Getting mind controlled is part of the quest involving NPCs. Getting ganked by a friendly rogue is not part of the quest.

[@orrefis]

I don't see how not being part of the quest makes it any more a grief. If you look at it from a different perspective: what if an MCd player tries to kill YOU. Are you allowed to defend yourself and then kill the MCd player? The moment a player is MCd they're no longer a player but an enemy you're allowed to kill. Blizzard should just make it so players can't attack MCd players and vice versa.

[@smitty7326]

@@orrefis This is a thing that requires just the slightlest amount of grey-area thinking rather than white-or-black. Look at the clip. The rogue is WAITING for someone to get mind controlled. The rogue is intentionally going in to kill a player. The intention puts it in a radically different category. This is a grief.

[@orrefis]

@@smitty7326 you didn't answer my question about MCd players attacking you and if you have the right to then defend yourself and kill said MCd player.

[@leinonibishop9480]

@@orrefisyou cc them until the mc timer runs out or you damage them down to the threshold that breaks the mc and stop attacking before they are dead.

[@smitty7326]

@@orrefis That's an entirely different scenario. Self-defense compared to intentional griefing

[@poppy1x3]

I would say that killing MC'd players is clear griefing moment. It is clearly done with malicious intent, the rogue clearly knew what he was doing. If such behavior is excused and tolerated, people will always keep finding way to kill other players avoiding the banhammer. The only way to stop people from griefing is to actually punish them hard. The only reason people kill MCd players now is because they think they can get away with it.

[@Scionofgreyhaven]

Lmao that rogue in Gurubashi gets owned by Bobka, Karma I guess

[@InfestedChris]

why was that priest wasting mana smiting that one mob? best thing to do is just assist the mage with renews and a power word shield. Use low threat skills to assist this guy. The second I saw the rogue do this, id be hearthing. Yes that troll was griefer, that area is grey to him, he has no business being in that area, the troll also knew what was going on and ran in and killed him and ran out. Its not like he was fighting mobs and thought he was another mob. id report this guy 100%

[@Hanrahan46]

The mage in BRD trying to explain everything, as if he was smart and did everything right. He was plain dumb and clueless, the druid would not have died, he and the priest just had to run out. Not the sharpest pencil in the box.

[@Ungakappa]

to call not grief is kinda sus theres no way that rogue is doing that quest the mobs are legit gray to him

[@lolwut6666]

It's not a grief. Go look up blizzard's terms under mind controlled players. I'll even tell you they say that because it Is an effect that is implied in the game? A month controlled player is considered a hostile target to other players is not a bannable or temp bannable action. As I've been telling other people as a level 60 Mage. I can't people that get m c all the time on my stream. That's kind of what I do. I had to make sure I knew the rules before I started. Doesn't matter if the mobs are grey Or anything Technically speaking you can even do it to flagged characters that are doing Quests. Because technically speaking, maybe I'm level 60 and I want to do all the questions in the game. Just because the bad guys are greyes or the quest is lower doesn't mean I can't do the quests. That's how we get around it. They won't ban a player for playing the game as intended. That's the loophole.

[@Ungakappa]

your username is a representation of what you just typed. just because its not bannable and he's able to do it doesn't mean it's not a grief. @@lolwut6666

[@bosssavage3325]

That guy looks like Baj-cdew

[@MellonVegan]

3:15 Didn't look at the name but at the level and ridiculous hair: is that the same rogue appearing who die just a clip earlier? Whenever something like this comes up, I just like to post this: "A griefer or bad-faith player is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately and intentionally irritates and harasses other players within the game (trolling), by using aspects of the game in unintended ways in order to destroy something another player made or built, or stealing something, such as items or loot, when that is not the primary objective.[1] A griefer derives pleasure primarily, or exclusively, from the act of annoying other users, and as such, is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities." I mean, Google any other definition you prefer, they'll all look pretty much like this. This is griefing per definitionem. Oh my god, Xar, don't argue "if they weren't intended to be killed, they shouldn't be killable". That's a terrible argument. Do you seriously think Blizzard spent more than a few days thinking about this? These things happen bc Blizzard doesn't give a flying fuck about fixing the game and instead just gave a blanket warning that griefing would be bannable. Which is what this troll did. Griefing. As per definition. I mean, this isn't rocket science. You have a definition of a word (it annoys me to no end that people never even look up the words they use improperly) and the situation fits the definition. Blizz said this would be bannable and that's pretty much the end of that story if you go by the letter of everything. Of course someone could make a different decision but then they'd just be making shit up.

[@intoHeck1964]

Nah, if you have cc available but you choose to kill a MCed player, its a grief. Rogue could have gouged, maybe blind, and run away. He 100% chose to kill that hunter

[@atinygoose6199]

Terrible take on the last one. It's easy to establish its a grief by just determining what if any benefit the troll got from doing this. There objectively wasnt one, besides their own enjoyment of causing grief to another player. This isnt like taking a mining node, where you both need it, or letting someone else who has aggro die when fleeing a failed dungeon pull. It was deliberate, unnessecary killing of another character for his own amusement.

[@TwistedSecrets777]

If you are going to play hardcore you had better get ready to die alot people are evil and their are always going to be people on this game that go looking to kill 100+ players just because they know their is no way to get your character back

[@FlawlessTechn1que]

Do these guys do their own content or just react to everyone else these days?

[@smelly745]

COLD SNAP???

[@MASmeinezeit]

Griefers got a serious personality issue and should see a therapist.

[@aaofheartsthefaultydeck3805]

Omg chris team. Fuck bro makes me so insane that preist running in. Did he not communicate to them "Stay the fuck out"? or somet?

[@sbsftw4232]

Seems like Chris assumed nobody was around so didn't say anything thinking he'd be done before it mattered.

[@Chriscx]

Nah I didn't do shit like an idiot, its like sbsftw4232 said, I just thought the pull would be over be4 It mattered. It was routine pull I arrogantly didn't think anything of it. HC man.. 200hrs and one or two bad decisions at the wrong time and UR GOIN AGAIN!

[@greener_gaming2932]

“No changes” lol bro wtf are you talking about it’s literally hardcore wow, that’s s already completely different. Twitch chat ftw 😂

[@shahaman5694]

What classes has a potential to grief? Rogue, who else? I, just gonna avoid them while making PUG groups for dungeons

[@neutraltwin77]

Hunter by far the biggest

[@SonGoku5363]

Hunters always grief and then survive

[@lolwut6666]

I wanna point out blizzard said that a MC is not considered a grief. It's a machanic that makes you targeted as a bad guy. It's not a grief it's a MC kill blizzard says not a grief. Also wanna point out I wasn't banned a lvl 60 who camps the place for kills. Not a single ban a GM even confirms that a MC kill isn't a bannable or temp situation.

[@jameswayne2907]

Why u camping that place for kills? You have 0 skill and honor

[@gdulheflljasduhdzccvm9926]

ppl not knowing how stealth works lol

[@Spoteddy]

I cant believe that a dude plays for hundreds of hours, just to grief one random group?

[@lolwut6666]

Why he makes bank doing it posting it

[@zwouip]

So does chrishc sucks sick ? 🤔

[@snuggielol8302]

LUL that last kill on the MC hunter isnt a Grief you know dam well about the quest why do it with the risk of getting killed deserved Hunter

[@MrTranzformer1]

Get to 60 unless you're bad

[@Dying4pie2180]

Not a bannable grief on the MC kill, definitely messed up, but you became a target, he didn't abuse anything he didn't purposely make you get Mced he just smoked you after it happened. Now go again.

[@GHIBaal]

Pog

[@Antdogg566]

how are these people sooooo bad ......

[@tenzindongak320]

Yes, a good player, in terms of farming, but he got too greedy and also, how can he not know where the other guys are? That is pretty basic. Just ask in chat? Sry is not enough for that wipe.

[@wallraven55]

I think all MCs need to be removed from HC

[@kalamoudi]

The last one is not grief, it's part of the game. The moment you get MC'd you instantly change faction to the one that MC'd you, in this case, he became an NPC.

[@lolwut6666]

Facts GMs and blizzard even said MCs don't count as a bannable or temp action

[@lucascunha5879]

17 min video for a 15 second clip. ffs at least show it in the beginning ...

[@erich1380]

its so sad that people camp gurabashi arena for hours lmao get a life

[@nitogame]

I'm not playing HC but I see nothing wrong with killing other players, bringing mobs to them etc. It's just the charm of HC MMO's. Pretend it's Sword Art Online or something.

[@timwalsh619]

Man your play by play was so cringe

[@krauz111]

what a dumb mage aoe farming at 60

[@MetalMonster313]

Not really dumb tbh. As long as he stays alive long enough to make enough gold and send it to an alt he can start again ez

[@Chriscx]

Haha I had farmed roughly 3k gold at that point *INTENTIONAL FLEXXXXX* Sad lose my epic mount too. I gave the rest of my gold to the druid as a small consolation. SO WE GOIN AGIN FROM SCRATCH hahaha (well 50g, scratch..ish..)@@MetalMonster313 really, the pull is one of the safest ones because if anything goes wrong, even the slightest resist, u just touch the portal. Just couldnt do that this time

[@minutemanfl]

Lol, everyone obsessed with WoW:HC feeling bad for these folks dying with 100 hours of play time... Diablo 2:LOD HC players with 20+ years of experience losing 300 hours to a DC on a game where you can play for 20 years and never find every item.

[@rizzcs6018]

Doesn't matter if its allowed or it isn't allowed, this 100% classifies as griefing. Personally i don't think he should be banned but lets call a spade a spade.

[@jacobjohnson1311]

jacked CDEW here lmao hit up the streams at EyekonTTV

[@Emperor_Shao_Kahn]

mage could have cleared all that in 2 global's