ROGUE IS GETTING REWORKED - Dark and Darker

Let me know what you guys think about the Rogue changes
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[@justin7035]

Fantastic suggestions. This is the way. Full agree that partial invis is useless in high elo lobbies. Full agree that confirmed dev change does not fix landmine.

[@robbinandersson4805]

Absolutely. Since the devs have already begun working on it, maybe they could implement it alongside the "combat hide" that Repoze suggested, allowing players to pick between the extended duration hide with long cooldowns or short hides with short cooldowns, they could just recycle the animations/textures and change the duration and cooldowns.

[@Repoze]

tbh i'd rather have them completely remove hide than have it function in a way where people can see you if they're just looking closely at their screen

[@partychip]

💀

[@bloodgharm]

I think it is dungeonborne reference, rouge there has the same skill and it works pretty good

[@Bliz...]

yea 10 step perk is going to be pretty dumb if they can see u

[@x_fader.]

with an afterimage, at least they can only see where you've been and not necessarily exactly where you're going

[@daglesterhardunkachud]

Kickin the crutches right out from under you.

[@Euthafro]

I think the panel was just happy to see less invisibility overall. I was too at first but yeah the footsteps already give away a hidden rogue so it barely changes landmine. But there could be more changes they didn’t discuss too. I think the short duration short cooldown sounds way cooler and healthier

[@TouchGrass297]

Yeah i agree, one weird thing is I personally at least in trios, have never really heard footsteps from an invis rogue. I have good headphones and idk if its just since its trios and other noises are going on or what.

[@skullCAFE]

Combat stealth is the way to go. Short duration, short cooldown. It would be sick if they did that, and gave you either increased move speed in stealth, or just the ability to run in stealth, to make repositioning possible

[@grovsmed4347]

Na that Hit and run Would be broken

[@Pabs._]

@@grovsmed4347 remember u would only have like 3 charges before having to camp fire, if u die by a hit a run rogue u would also probably die by a rogue camping the full game without making noise just waiting to catch you

[@thechoppa]

so if ur running with a wiz its basically useless. even without a wiz it would be pretty useless against a decent player that knows to just back off when u start ur invis making it impossible to do a play against them in a fight. especially cause it would only last 1-3 seconds. I think that would make rogue too weak. I think rogue by design needs to be able to landmine. and no i dont main rogue.

[@tylerglenn7811]

Who wants to sit by a camp fire though? Wizards end up sitting by campfires for almost half of the game. They want camp fires gone because it’s boring. It should be combat invis that also gives a speed buff and simply have medium-long cool down to account for the fact that you get three. Then the rogue has to manage resources and balance when to push or give up. A part of the beauty of the rogue is the cat and mouse dynamic. Ideally they should have good initiation so they can ambush then a good escape if they are careful. Thus people fighting against feel like they have to weather a sever storm long enough before the rogue dies. While the rogue has to choose a good time to attack or make sure they don’t push beyond their ability to escape.

[@Jeff_the_f]

Your version of hide sounds like a much healthier option for the game. They could also potentially rework the stealth perk passive to become invisible while in dark areas to lean more into the ambush assassin that some rogue players truly want, but can get countered by light sources easily. so you only get “landmined”if u willing walk into darkness like a fool

[@WalkOnNick]

Interplay with darkness sounds awesome.

[@christiankohler4313]

mage go brrr

[@Epicpvp123]

It would be hard to implement but having hide be related to light levels of where your using it would make more sense, for example you cant hide next to a torch but if you go into a dark corner you can. It would also be a cool way to add another effect on lanterns making them reveal rouges

[@isayaragnes8066]

There is already a pvp multiplayer game that did exactly that. Dark Messiah. They had rogues invis be directly tied to light levels and always on. Rogue was the weakest class in the game there :D

[@bongschwee103]

THE FINAL GUTTING…..

[@cuulcat]

short burst invis makes sense with rogue class, the not invis when moving incentivizing landmines is counterintuitive to the whole thing

[@LivingLikeGaryYT]

ambush would be insane if we could use invis every 8 seconds. that would be cool

[@youngmedusa34]

I agree with most of what you said. The hide change that they plan to implement isn’t even a hide rework, it’s a stealth rework. If anything it just incentivizes the landmine meta even more. Lower hide time and lower cd, sound like a much better option. I like the idea of charges for invis as well, people would hate that, but it would definitely be more balanced. Anyways, good video. 👍🏻

[@Moddxe]

+1 hard agree, honestly if anything you should be less invisible when sitting still.

[@daiva6]

I’m a relatively new player but I like the invisibility on rouge, and it’s his perk that makes his class shine. I don’t main the class just to mention. Also I feel like your suggestions are much better than what the devs have said.

[@grassytiger]

Always good to hear your opinion, I think multiclass is gonna destroy game balance and whoever is lucky will get the "superman" builds.

[@HighAFelf]

Completely agree, I've discussed with friends and in random Twitch chats the same thing. Rogue either needs an actual dodge ability (rework the backflip thing) or an invis that allows you to reposition mid fight with a low cd but low duration. The major issue with rogue balancing has always been around stealth. Either a rogue one shots you out of stealth and it feels unfair or you are a rogue and you pop out of stealth and you cant get a kill, from there you are just screwed as the rogue (in most cases).

[@oziwaasmr5368]

Well said, i agree. I just want to get to the point where rogues can be left alone community-wise.

[@OdinCasts]

I've played a lot of every class, but Rogue is one of my more played classes. I was excited to hear them making changes to hide, because it's a very polarizing mechanic that has proven to be a major hurdle to balance over and over again, and as I kind of implied, it felt like it was the source of a sprawling issue that infected every other class and created this community infighting due to absurdly low TTKs. Rogue either got their stealth assassination and the player on the receiving end hated it, or they missed the chance / got obliterated and the Rogue hated it. So, as a result, reworking it seemed to be the most sensible option. I've been a huge proponent of changing or removing hide, and compensating by buffing rogue in other meaningful ways; giving them better duelist capabilities, allowing them to be good at CC, something to separate them from a slayer fighter or barbarian, while making them competent melee combatants. I agree that this change doesn't necessarily nail down the problem of the landmine, but it is a step in the right direction at least, and hopefully with other overall balance and gear changes, landmine can still exist as a function without having the same consequence on the overall game like it has in the past. I have also talked to Sobad about the idea of stealth being a repositioning in combat tool, and I would like this better than what they proposed, as long as the uptime isn't too high / they don't allow it to abuse ambush. I do disagree about partial invis being useless though, especially with the lighting in their game. Granted this isn't 480p halo 2, but active camo in halo was extremely powerful when used properly, despite being slightly visible.

[@sandbar5700]

Yea they should focus more on changing the play style of hide, partial invis will mainly work on

[@bingus8873]

I'd like to see a buff to tumble to make it more of a skill based dodge/dash ability. I think that combined with a combat oriented invis and the addition of a parry dagger could make rogue both viable in combat and extremely fun to play without the community hating fighting them.

[@Omniptnt]

they nerfed rogue to the ground cause of invis only to remove/nerf it down . unless they make rogue like the fighter you were playing the other day then its no point.

[@jiszle697]

love your videos man. you're the reason I switched from fighter to rogue because I wanted something less forgiving and more rewarding. I'm still a huge noob at the game but I love it anyway

[@michaellewicki101]

i like your ideas and it would make hide more fun to use hide in combat as a rouge and from the person fighting the rouges perspective it would be more enjoyable to fight compared to landmine.

[@dizigned193]

There was a game a long time ago called Thief that had a mechanic where if you were in the darkness you'd be invisible. I think they could play around with this idea and maybe come to some kind of cool conclusion, but idk.

[@howiequ1]

I think this would be interesting, but in dark and darker rogues would just be able to turn out all the lights and have invis the entire area

[@dizigned193]

That's when throwing torches would come in handy! @@howiequ1

[@heyjoejoe1589]

Great. Encourage the campy strat that actually is more cancerous imo instead of improving your ability to listen. I’m not a high level player by any means but watching Repoze play shows how skilled players just blind swing any noise cues forcing rogue to unhide or run anyways.

[@gustavomarcondes3908]

"We're nerfing hide (again) by making you be able to see the Rogue" "Ok, so we're gonna get some buffs like, when we use hide, we make less noise to compensate for the visibility, right?" "ummm, yeah, no. We're not going to buff the rogue, ever"

[@JELKEK]

Buff rogue? One simply cannot

[@Summonick2]

The best thing they could do is give rogue a lot more tools to be fast and sneaky rather than invisible. Less magic, more stealth. Instead of hide for like invis, maybe you could have a skill that turns off your footsteps for 10 seconds or something.

[@n0dnarb581]

Remember. This game is influenced by D&D and Hide and Invisiblity are different moves. Hide can be detected by a keen eye whereas Invisibility is a powerful magic spell or ability that will remove you from sight without detection of magic so the changes are actually perfect. Maybe add a detect magic per to cleric or wizard and then druid later to balance true invis?

[@GiRR007]

Should make it like the wizard skill where you can go completely invisible and move but only for a few seconds.

[@Headcatcher10]

this + adding some kind of dagger/rapier parry would actually make rogue actually fun and balanced, too bad IM doesnt think that Repoze has enough clout to listen to him

[@tombofthememelich2192]

I personally think that full invis should stay for rogue but it should be turned into an a ability that is only useful for escaping, spying, and repositioning. I love how well rogue can rat and I love that style of game play. A way to do this might be to have the rogues damage modifier cut in half for 5 seconds after they leave invis (basically the opposite of what ambush does). I think "combat invis" would be better as a different active perk altogether. I think a good example would be a Flash Bomb that blinds enemies in the radius like the clerics divine strike but for a little longer. This would also be a nice nod to the old Thief games. ;)

[@n1b1d]

a feint ability to reposition instead of long stealth

[@joshdarando3652]

Love the suggestion, you couldn't landmine but the invis on short timers would still have utility in fights. As a rogue main I don't agree that invis is a problem in the first place but since people refuse to learn to play the game; i do agree they need to fix it. I almost NEVER die to other rogues (Wouldn't a puny little rogue be most vulnerable to "landmines"?) but w/e . Shruge. I think another cool chage would be giving rogues innate quiet footsteps and hidden pockets. That way they could sneak up w/o needing invis

[@Gormfeld]

Ironmace: "Hmmmm... how do we fix landmine? Oh I KNOW! CHANGE STEALTH SO YOU'RE ONLY INVISIBLE IF YOU DON'T MOVE!" What a joke.

[@baileyttam]

I think an invis where if you attack someone you go invisible for like 5 seconds and if you attack again you go invis again so you can poke reposition poke

[@jtrigoura1]

I’ve played a ton of other games before dark and darker like dota, csgo, league. When there would be changes to the game I didn’t like, a part of me would understand these changes are potentially for the health of the game. That is not the case for this game, Im convinced ironmace has 0 clue what they’re doing, their balance patches are hilariously bad and disconnected.

[@Cjoudan]

Almost like it's early access from a small studio. League was really unbalanced when it first came out. Now league has been fine tuning for over a decade.

[@Johntrollston]

like kha zix ult. concept sounds super fun and scary to go against making ambush a crazy perk. I was thinking like tf2 spy invis so rogue can roam freely and have a roll of scout that can flank better for the team.

[@TheBlackyoshi5000]

I think should combine hide + smoke screen. rogue goes semi-invis in the smoke screen. smoke screen doesn't slow people anymore. allows rogues to get away but not use it for offense as much. All other players have to do is get out of the smoke screen and they won't get attacked by an invis rogue.

[@swiftfps7371]

Did play dungeonborme a version of hide? That shit was so fun and the classes didn’t feel too weak around rogues cuz landmine wasn’t a thing

[@thegladbanana9738]

Non-rogue main here with a wild suggestion. Make landmine rogue an actual play style but you have to invest in a weird stat like how resourcefulness is on bard. I agree make invis shorter overall but tie how long you stay invis to the resource stat or the will stat. Meaning you have to actually build and try and spec into other stats so you won’t have as much damage or stats else where.

[@xsafra]

Make it the other way around if you stand still you are slightly visible if you move you stay full invis.

[@GoobieFloobert]

new hide is a dungeonborne reference

[@rayjarvike]

Yes sir, I saw the no1 priest talking about it

[@MurkyTheWolf]

So what if they flipped it? invisible while moving but visible while holding still? That way they will always hear footsteps while invisible and it will only be used in combat. Obviously adjust the distance you can move while using this. Could even add slight damage reduction while invisible.

[@warm_egg_salad5953]

Forgive me if I misunderstood, but I feel like if there was a short cooldown and duration people would just use the ambush perks that increase dmg and spd coming out of hide as a fight starter and, if cooldown is short enough, mid fight boost. I do agree what they said they're changing it to doesn't solve the issue most have.

[@gustavomarcondes3908]

My first reaction reading the title: "No,No,No, PLEASE GOD NO!"

[@jirilaska9788]

Just give Rogue an invisible blink that goes through people, a tool on a cooldown to either get on someone's back or get out,

[@Jyedawg]

Nice to hear from the Rogue King himself without having to pester you for your opinions on stream. Their change does not seem to do anything towards countering the campy rogue style that everyone hates, if anything it encourages it more. Just seems like a major nerf to how good rogue can be in trios/highlevel play. I definitely agree with wanting a more combat orientated/play making Hide that can be used on a very low cooldown but has a very short duration. Cheers for the upload, would love to hear more of your opinions on stuff like this in future updates.

[@connorunruh4622]

A combat based invis actually would be so amazing, the spacing part of rogue is what is really skillful and it seems like they can easily find the balance between landmine and 1v1 rogue with a suggestion like yours

[@gustavomarcondes3908]

One thing i don't understand about people when they play in this game is the CONCEPT OF A CLASS. Wizards are supposed to kill you via their spells. Barbarians are supposed to go UNGA BUNGA and hit you til you die. Rangers are supposed to shoot you from afar, placing traps to maintain distance until you die. What are ROGUES supposed to do??? Make a guess! They're supposed to catch you by SURPRISE and hit you when you're not paying attention! When i hear people complaining about being caught by surprise by a rogue and dying, all i hear is "a Rogue played like a Rogue and i died". The problem is not a skill, or a weapon or anything like that. The problem is people simply don't like the experience of Fighting againts a Rogue. Because, spoilers, Rogues don't want to fight you in a fair fight!!!! Even in DnD, the point if to get "sneak attacks", hitting enemies who are "unaware of your presence" or "distracted facing another". Rogue is meant to be a dirty class, who is weak in direct combat, but strong in stealth and surprise attacks. If you want direct confrontation, you're not playing Rogue!

[@JELKEK]

Deaf streamers killed DaD rogue

[@mikedenardi5647]

I definitely understand your concerns, but feel it out first and then give some feedback/suggestions to terence/sdf and see what they think. I think your combat stealth suggestion would work great. They also might assimilate the stealth perk into hide seeing that they will be removing quite a few rogue perks.

[@cameronhendricks5967]

I want hide to make a noise. When I know a rogue is invisible near me, and he kills me anyway, he deserves that kill. If a rogue sits behind the door and is never semi-visible because he sat still, I have so little counterplay and it feels unfair. I think maybe your reccomended cooldown time is slightly low, especially since rogues will kite you for rooms anyway. But tbh give inherent stealth perk back, make a noise when they pop the ability, and make the cooldown and effect both much shorter.

[@PrimeSubToMeTTV]

They could implement combat stealth like you suggested and have the pickpocket perk extend invis duration but make you deal reduced damage after coming out of stealth. Only real option I can see to keep pickpocket alive while changing invis to a combat skill if that's what they want.

[@wizardbear5731]

Rogue needs to have tumble buffed so it can actually be used to try and either make people hit limbs or dodge hits entirely and they need support skills like a skill that when activated slows the enemy for 5 percent for each throwing knife thats been tossed into them over the last 30 secs.

[@tylertristanp]

Yeah, unless they change the perks, any landmine would probably swap stealth for shadowrunner to have a gap close out of hide. With hide Mastery they can sit still for a while anyway.

[@Viletho19]

What if Stealth will be like this : 10 sec Stealth. the more sec pass or step you take, you become more and more visible. That way, Rogue would not be able to stand still 10 sec and gank as easily. You have to strategically use it and time your invise because you will become visible the more second pass. The good player would probably see it. the more casual like I am would probably need to be more focus. I know Invise is not fun when you get gank, but at the same time the Rogue archetype is known for being a stealthy character. It can't be completely remove

[@apexyt7735]

I really like this idea for hide. I think the combat style invis would make the class feel useful in pvp again

[@littleninja1172]

The change makes it so that you can only move when people aren’t looking, so it probably stops rogues from being able to actively position themselves behind someone, which hurts the rogues ability to get to the back lines of a trio. I’m fine with this change as long as the rogue balance includes a way for rogues to play the game without hide and not feel like they are trolling

[@user-vq7zl2ij3g]

They should make it like khazix ult with 2 charges short invis but you gain mov speed while invis and the cooldown should be like what we have now

[@giancarloleon9983]

Wouldn’t they need buffs too if they nerf invis?

[@rohmi6838]

I think hide should have different play styles with perks like you said a more active one but for players who want to play more for ambushes a longer hide that had some sort of sound so that it would be harder to pull of an ambush but be rewarding

[@chost-059]

combat phase invis would be so much more fun for everyone involved, like short bursts of say 3.5 seconds invis with a slight speed boost, could stack upto idk 6 activations, after using one invis phase youd begin a refresh of like 10 seconds to get it back, lets say you use 3 out of 6 activations then youd get one back every 10 seconds, after 30 seconds all 3 would be restored and youl be back to 6 activations

[@aethelrid7530]

Eh, if they change it to outline itll basically be unusable in high roller. Change it to a 5 second use, unlimited steps, no running, and 12-15 sec cd upon effects end? Or maybe a 2-3 second use but you can run, with a 10 second cd.

[@sudopaws9982]

I'm interested in the shorter duration hide. Imagine if they made it an on-hit ability similar to bleed/silence. You could have full movespeed stealth for 2 or 3 seconds after hitting a player/mob with it readied. Major outplay potential, makes landmine impossible. Could even have a perk that triggers it for free every player(maybe mob) kill like a reset/reposition tool.

[@Boxen43]

I wont know what to think till i get my hands on it, i might be playing Rogue again this wipe depending on changes

[@JohnathanHutchins-dr1mb]

reduce the steps you can take while in hide and lower the mastery from 40 to like 25-30 i think base hide is still good

[@Pwnification]

Rogues should be able to pick locks, with a lock pick in inventory, by default. I don't understand why this was ever a perk-bound feature for the Thief/Bandit style class. Thats 1 perk they could get rid of and just make native to the class.

[@jb698]

repoze they're happy because they're ignorant they don't care about the rework they just are happy we might be nerfed.

[@NeteruSolink]

I would prefer if hide lasted only 2 - 3 seconds but you could fully run during stealth, plus having muffled footsteps, with probably 30 - 40 second cooldown cause if you could spam that every 8 seconds you'd be getting in and out too easily on melee targets

[@simonthinggaard6270]

The combat Invis 3-4 sek invis and 15 sek cooldown, and being able to move seems fair honnestly given how squishy rogues are

[@Axel-vt8no]

Great idea on hide, and I think yours is a better solution than theirs.

[@mckenne1]

Now isntead of headphones people just need there eyes cant wait to see the complaints

[@WellDoneOnTheInternetEverybody]

As a rogue main do you think the class deserves passives? Hidden pockets and pickpockets shouldnt feel like perks imo 5:30 your explanation of invis was my idea for how they should have fixed smoke pot. reduce the smoke to a 5ft zone and give the rogue a 3 second invis on use for more aggro ambush plays

[@milkmaster9247]

Love the consistent uploads man

[@cyrusstoke11]

A mini combat invis would be cool, like wizard but with charges and no after images

[@xon0930]

Yeah, the main problem with hide has always been the duration of it. You can just stop people from playing the game for up to 40 seconds (depending on what patch we're talking about), which is just bad gameplay. A 3 or 5 second stealth with a 15 or so second cooldown sounds much healthier for the game in general. It stops the paranoid gameplay of constantly attacking every corner that *could* have a rogue in it, and makes it a skill based thing, since you'd have to capitalize on your short invisibility. I think that there'd need to be a change to pickpocket though. Perhaps make it so your damage is reduced by 50% for 5 seconds after leaving stealth, but buff the duration of stealth back to 40 seconds, and enable pickpocketing, and all in a singular perk. Then you can do pickpocket without requiring 3 perks, but it entirely eliminates hide as a combat option if you go pickpocket rogue due to the damage debuff after hide wears off.

[@PicklesIsJesus]

if u reduce the hide time then better player fighter right?

[@Mr_yerba]

If you could throw your torch and it act like light orb think would help every class with landmines

[@Ruskeydoo_]

Thematically I'd love to see the rogue's invis tied to being in shadows. Dunno if there's a good mechanical solution around that?

[@reidfrancisco2823]

I think a more active hide would be a lot more fun and engaging for both ends, but the way devs talk about hide just encourages more camping unless they completely gut the perks. I would rather have a rework rather than just try and make it obsolete

[@rubsome]

Hope the devs see this

[@RocketFlareBlitz]

i wished it was a progressive buff instead; like pop the skill then it buffers for like seconds like popping a pot. and to keep the duration up or whatever U HAVE TO BE MOVING (forcing you to make noise and force you to not be a landmine, and would kinda urge ppl to use the quiet footsteps perk; idea from ghost perk in CoD) short duration short cooldown but not so that people can spam it without meta builds. while still IN LIGHTING AND STILL you are outlined but like halo invis outlined, in dark corners the outlined is reduced. that way players would actually have to light up a room or darken a room for whatever purpose, to fish out a rogue or to blend in. there would be no necessary need to light orb a lit room if you can open your eyes and see an outline. half lit room, yeah this calls for light orb. idk i havent played in a long while.

[@maestaRz]

I feel like Hide should allow you to run in invis, turn off footsteps sounds and last only like 3 seconds with either cooldown or charges. It would be a great perk for rogues focusing on getting a backstab or just try to run away 'cause they're squishy, and people would fear invis rogues in fight and try to retreat when they see a rogue going invis instead of being afraid of a landmine anywhere, anytime.

[@matprovost13]

can't wait to see everyone that was cheering yesterday be completely mad when they realize the only thing that's changed is that the landmine doesn't move anymore 🥵

[@lazyaussie2818]

they should flip the hide rework to make you full invis while moving and partially visible when sitting still

[@bubbakelly7387]

I hope they add clones you can put down like yoru clone from valorant

[@Mobay18]

They should keep hide as it is, and allow people to buy utility to reveal them, like in dota.

[@JELKEK]

Torches are free, infinitely throwable and break stealth on a massive hitbox. Everyone is a lazy bitch boy.

[@ArchonAlphabot]

give rogue a perk like sword mastery

[@DimePwnz]

I have always said that they should remove hide and remove external light sources so if you want to invis you have to play around the static lights... you literally prove in this video you can stand in the darkness and pick pocket, seen jay pickpocket lots before you could do it with stealth. Just by playing around the natural light. Give rogues darker clothes or something to make them harder to see in general... as they should be. Either that or just delete ambush because you literally already get a free headshot out of stealth why does it need to do bonus damage on top xD thats your free crit right there.

[@mikekedian1221]

I like the idea of what you think about hide, but the real issue is ambush. Imagine being able to spam invis, and just kite for it to come back over, and over. That is aids. I don't mind the invis, but that big burst is the issue. they need to make the damage more steady, and less bursty somehow imo. Invis would be really cool to work in the way you are saying tho.

[@Mekose]

Long duration hide only in darkness, revealed by torches is my suggestion.

[@Pyronetic2]

As long as they buff back some of rogues combat stats, 5 vigor 5 strength is so rough at base and then not having true invis to at least hide yourself until you CAN get that backstab? oof

[@DirkTheDaringDnD]

7:00 building off the charge idea, what if rogue got 4 charges at 5 seconds per charge for a total of 20 seconds. Rogues could choose to use all four charges for a 20 second hide or 4 individual charges @5 seconds each, with rogue having passive regeneration. Resting to gain invis charges back seems a little too brutal unless they make the charge cost low

[@masgenmann6215]

Basically just a PickPocket nerf xd

[@hobosnake1]

I hope we only get perks for multiclass. I don't want to fight a barbarian that uses second wind on top of having a billion health.

[@wesleymyers4160]

I want no invis, make it so rogues can see in the dark.

[@BallisticStigmata]

They should just give rogue a bit of dark vision and partially obscure them in dark areas. Incentivizes turning the lights out. Or add skills that allow for dodging or the ability to riposte to daggers. Rogues die in like 1-2 hits and are pretty weak in most situations as-is.

[@MrGodPowered]

this change will be a step in the right direction.

[@mathew4485]

Grabbing dual wield from fighter would be awesome

[@kyleborchardt8745]

Shits bricked. We getting nerfed again after rework mark my words. I’m still playing rogue on wipe day

[@ProperlyMismanaged]

I think rogue should get a perk that removes the noise they make with their feet instead of invis

[@volvaraken5190]

I feel like if there gana nerf hide into the dirt they need to give rogues a different way to proc perks like ambush and shadow runner. I was thinking they rework tumble into an omni directional dash/dodge and on animation finish it will proc said perks. This will give a rogues another viable playstyle.

[@BraggingRightsFights]

(LIKE IF YOU AGREE) MAKE ROGUE YOU DARKNESS. rouge abilities and perks should be based around darkness and turning off lights. No one can argue that getting landmine ambushed by someone completely invisible is fun. No real counter play ( besides light orb and din), no fun fights, no skill ceiling. Instead of making the rouge invis make him turn off the lights in an area and or make it dark. This allows for rouge to be useful in teams, this allows for counter play, this still allows ambushs to be made and also a large amount of mind tricks. This will make rouge fun to fight against and play as. MAKE ROUGE USE THE DARKNESS.

[@shaerigir88]

They are going to nerf menuing your throwables mid combat too. They out here trying to kill Rogue.