Linear Draw vs. Angular Draw

[@RogueArcheryTV]

We've looked at linear & angular, but did you know... there is also a third option? I did a super detailed form break-down on many of the worlds top archers [Free access via link] 💪🏹🎯🔥 mailchi.mp/roguearchery/buu6ub6gqu

[@nissankaarchery8400]

Best video I have seen on this subject. May l added something: Linear draw requires sharp rotation of the draw arm scapula which puts undue load on the rhomboids which is prone to injury. This could be why archers often complain of a pricking pain under the scapula. With linear draw most of the work is done by the deltoid till you come nearly to end of it. Angular draw allows you to use the core muscles and trapezius do most of the work making it much more efficient. Once you come to anchor position you may use linear action or continue the angular motion to come of the clicker. Pros and corns of of these two methods of expansion may be discussed separately.

[@RogueArcheryTV]

Thanks for your comment. I don't agree with everything you said though. The rhomboids (along with the trapezius and posterior deltoids) are the prime movers involved in scapular retraction and shoulder extension. These are the larger, more powerful muscles that are less prone to injury. Inefficient drawing styles tend to either: a) put too much strain on the smaller stabilising muscles such as those in the rotator cuff b) fatigue the prime movers, such that when they become fatigued more strain is put on the smaller stabilisers that are NOT strong enough to take heavy loads, leading to muscular strain. Sharp pain that is commonly felt under the scapular often presents as muscular spasm (not an injury) caused by either: a) inadequate warm up / warm down b) poor muscle tone c) overload d) some combination of the above The movement of the scapular retraction is almost identical for Linear or Angular draw (all else being equal). That being said, there are definitely factors which do overload the rhomboids, and I did a whole video on scapular positioning thriughout the draw sequence which covers this.

[@2S74]

Very complete analyse of these two different ways of shooting. I really like your approach, always open mind and constructive, you have answered my questions at the end of the video. Thank you very much for sharing.

[@Rosword007]

Your explanation and analysis are easy to understand and makes sense to me! Thank you so much for great video!

[@lengmorris5372]

Great video and I really enjoy your explanation and the compilation of video clips to differentiate angular vs linear draw. I personally determine linear vs angular draw not with bow movement but with the path of the draw hand. Simply put, linear draw is when the hand moves along the target line straight back to anchor and angular is when the hand moves from outside (further away from the body) into anchor or in another word moving in a more around path or Coach Lee described it as 'excurvator' movement. Thanks again and I really enjoy your videos!

[@RogueArcheryTV]

Yes, this is a different way of explaining it, but its the same thing. Where people get confused is the distinction between angular motion of the body, and angular motion of the bow.

[@garymickus6412]

Great video! However, don’t forget coach Arne Moe as a proponent of the angular draw.

[@RogueArcheryTV]

​@@garymickus6412 Thanks for pointing this out, I just saw his video on Rotational Draw for traditional archers.

[@lindabeck5175]

Great video, excellent explanation of linear and angular. I really like the emphasis on adapting style to the individual archer. Everyone has a different physical build. Thank you.

[@coconatti]

Key takeaway for me - synchronize aiming pattern with draw same lesson for recurve as for compound. I’ve started shooting recurve and this alignment or lack thereof really becomes apparent. The need to keep stability and have one’s core motionless really is paying dividends for me. Thank you for explaining this so clearly and eloquently

[@KentRodgman]

As I went up in draw weight I found angular to be helpful to engage my back earlier in the draw, and the transfer becomes easier and I'm much less fatigued after a session because I'm using larger muscle groups all the time. But, if there's anything I've learned about archery, it's that a shot cycle is like a finger print... Everyone has their own. If it works for you and you can stay injury free while keeping consistency, then that's the right way for you!

[@lordcarnorjax8599]

I switched to a angular draw after having an impingement injury. I found that it also helped engaging my back muscles properly consistently and as a side benefit cleaned up the release where I don't have as many plucky releases as I used to. As a big strong bloke I was able to "fake it" on some shots by using far more bicep than I should. Now just need to work on my target panic so I can get back to shooting master bowman classifications rather than black.

[@wazz566]

Another great video and detailed breakdown of the two shot cycles. I like that you pointed out the obvious merging of the them in some cases. I am an angular draw archer and one thing that has driven this is that (besides wrist flexure) I have rotator cuff problems in both shoulders which requires careful set up and draw cycle. I find the angular draw easier for me than the more linear draw. I find, in a lot of first time student that they adopt the linear draw because they are focusing on aiming the arrow at the target throughout the shot cycle. It takes a bit to get them to not worry about aiming until they have achieve shoulder alignment and solid anchor.. all part of the adventure-- thank you for your help.

[@RogueArcheryTV]

Thanks for your comment! 100% concur with your experience. Archers tend to aim too early in the shot, and need to be taught how to properly "sync" up aiming and drawing. Most aiming issues are "over-aiming", not "under aiming"!

[@wazz566]

@@RogueArcheryTV 👍

[@tobycoop]

Really excellent analysis and unravelling of the debate. I really like the format and content and structure. I like the juxtaposition of theory and evidence. Furthermore, I really found the body composition of stocky vs a slim build helpful personally. I shoot Longbow, and this approach to understanding form and technique is extremly helpful. Thank you for your professional content and enthusiasm.

[@RogueArcheryTV]

Thank you!

[@TheSselluos]

I have seen few videos from Jake Kaminski that teaches Angular style and he did point out an interesting thing about Korean archers. They keep sight and aim through the whole draw on 10 and that would only really work with linear shooting style as sight does move in angular draw. In angular draw the aiming is only after draw has reached anchor position. But i mean .. both styles or any style really works as long as you can repeat it over and over and over with consistency.

[@Lost_Hwasal]

New to your channel but i have to say your video analysis is on point. It makes visualizing things extremely clear.

[@RogueArcheryTV]

Thank you and welcome! What did you learn?

[@Lost_Hwasal]

@@RogueArcheryTV Well for starters i didnt know what linear vs angular draw was, to be honest i always associated it with torso rotation during draw. I was taught NTS but i haven't had a coach in years and i don't shoot olympic anymore anyways, so i was taught angular, but i think my draw is much more linear, and i experiment with angular sometimes but linear feels more natural to me. That said I think you have a good point that everything is a spectrum, to draw 100% linear is probably not very common if impossible. I also didnt know KSL had a book! Its in my amazon cart now haha.

[@andreask.654]

I think reason why many archers start with a linear draw is that they begin aiming way too early in the process. Angular draw requires pretty good timing to finish in a position that does not require lateral corrections. The training process you described sounds to be a good solution to that problem. 👍

[@RogueArcheryTV]

Yes, I agree. The aiming synchronisation method can be used to correct this in both linear and angular draw as well. It's actually important for both.

[@mohammadpirali-j3p]

That was very excellent answer with details about many questions that i had in these years...thanks thanks thanks!

[@RogueArcheryTV]

@@mohammadpirali-j3p you're welcome! What did you learn?

[@mrnice752]

I started archery with a "linear" draw and damaged my rotator cuff when I increased in bow weight too quickly, took two months to fully heal. After healing I switched to the KSL "angular" draw and have never had an issue again.

[@RogueArcheryTV]

Great to hear! Do you think the injury was caused more by the drawing style, going up in weight too much, or a combination of both?

[@mrnice752]

@@RogueArcheryTV I think it was a combination of both and I just over worked the muscle when I wasn't strong enough yet. I shot a full 720 round after jumping 4lb. Felt alright on the day but woke up the next morning in agony, so may have also slept on it funny. With the angular draw I can load my back muscles much earlier in the draw cycle which seems to put less stress on my shoulder muscles.

[@brianjones35]

I tore my rotator cuff in highschool, bout 30yrs ago, and dont think its ever really fully healed. is a rough injury.

[@grasscla]

Same! Literally the same happened to me earlier this ywar

[@nicolasm96]

What a fantastic analysis, this video help me with some doubts and will help me to improve a LOT. Keep making this videos you are doing it great

[@RogueArcheryTV]

Thank you! What did you learn from this video that you can implement in training?

[@abulos8943]

One of the best archery instruction videos I have seen. Thank you!

[@RogueArcheryTV]

My pleasure 🙏

[@jalalhasnaoui8404]

I think it also depends on anyone's anatomy specifications, Great video, and interesting analysis, thanks a lot coach.

[@RogueArcheryTV]

Yes, I agree. I talk about this in the video, that archers who have broader shoulders in proportion to their arm length typically benefit more from an angular draw.

[@MyLifEcademy-sr4hy]

When I started as a 14 year old weighing nothing a linear seemed right. At 15 I got a Darton SL-50 for hunting and soon had it bottomed out at #72. There was no way I could safely pull that back in a linear fashion. As an old man wanting to throw arrows downrange again...this video is pretty awesome. I wish I could have had this available four decades ago. Great presentation. One thought of the linear to angular form might be injury or pain over a career...🤔

[@giulias.412]

Great explanations! It finally changed my view and it is more comprehensive now. 🙏🏻However I have a question: comparing the 2 techniques is the factor angular/linear all about the pulling wrist and the bow (aligned to target) or is it all about the shoulder movement? Does the shoulder works/pulls as well differently or not? It was always explained to me that the linear/angular factor is all about the (pulling) shoulder movement... (Of course depending the position of your pulling wrist there might be small anatomical differences in pulling) 😊

[@RogueArcheryTV]

@@giulias.412 thanks for your comment. What I tried to show here is that there is far more in common with these styles than there is different. The shoulder movement is almost the same, with only very subtle differences. There is not, for example, more back tension with an angular draw.

[@Piasecznik72]

I fully agree angular draw introduces problems with stability, but linear draw has additional risk not mentioned in this video. When you tend to keep your bow at the target all the time it can introduce target panic which causes you to release prematurely. I know one Olympic archer whose international level carrier was ruined in this way. That is why I prefer to use angular draw over linear. Also linear draw incentives to use bicep subconsciously, which is always bad.

[@RogueArcheryTV]

I wouldn't exactly say that a linear draw causes target panic. There is still a process for aiming synchronisation that needs to happen with the same process for all draw styles. Target Panic is caused when there is a sub-conscious trigger to release that is incorrect. It can manifest in many different ways (during aiming, anchoring, thumb touching trigger, over-reactive to the clicker etc.), and so whilst that particular archer may have had the issue from aiming too early in the shot process, I'd say it's an oversimplification to suggest that it's caused from a linear draw. Archers from all draw styles can, and do, suffer from target panic!

[@Piasecznik72]

@@RogueArcheryTV I would not say linear draw will cause target panic but it can. There is simply higher chance. In some cases when archer is focused on aiming early in draw cycle and be triggered when sight is in the middle of yellow circle not finished draw cycle. Target panic is quite broad term, sometimes it could be something very different like inability to move sight over yellow as it would be magical force pushing sight away from it. Sure, remedy for it could be as simple as aiming while drawing slightly above the target or something like that. Just to shift focus while drawing from target to draw cycle itself. And as all problems in archery earlier you spot the problem less effort is needed to correct it. If you deeply engrave bad habits into your shooting style, harder it gets to correct it.

[@Bouilleon]

Some great insights and explanations here! I've noticed that with a more angular draw it can also take a bit more effort before I hit the full draw, aligned position. It makes sense to me since the bow is being drawn further away from the body, creating a greater angle between the bow shoulder line and the bow. Has anyone else had this experience?

[@RogueArcheryTV]

I wouldn't say it takes more or less effort. But if it's a technique change then ofcourse you can't expect to be instantly perfect at it, and it's likely that you will use more percieved effort until you drill it into efficiency.

[@HardToCatchTwice]

This is very intersting! I started shooting three years ago, just before I turned 50. Shot all summer and suffered inflamation in the biceps tendon in the shoulder. Ive been struggling with this ever since. I try a linear shot and Im quite broad shouldered. Maybe I should consider changing things up a bit if it can ease the preassure on my shoulder. Interesting.

[@RogueArcheryTV]

Yes if you've got inflammation in that LHB tendon, then I'd recommend going more angular in your draw. Let me know how you go with it.

[@Controvi]

Im still relatively new to archery but as I learned to stand in an open stance I started doing a angular draw automatically. I have tried holding the bow right in front, but it felt weird and noticed I would often tab my leg when aiming the bow downwards before raising it. It felt more natural to have the bow turn together with my body when raising the bow and starting the draw. Might be my noobness talking and being completely wrong but that's it for me ^_^ I do think I might try the linear draw again with this new info. My arms are really long so curious to see how that works with my new bow.

[@MamaBearCandanedo]

I’m very new to archery and am shooting recurve. I was using an angular draw but struggling to get my elbow behind the arrow line. I was using Jake Kaminski’s form series as a guide. I asked a former JOAD coach, who is helping me get started, to help me on my form. He switched me to a linear draw motion before I realized what he was having me change. I admit it was more comfortable and fluid for me and felt easier to achieve better form. However, the next day my drawing shoulder was a lot more fatigued and sore than when I use an angular draw. Especially the bicep tendon area you mentioned in the video. The angular draw felt easier to draw back and when I use an angular draw I definitely feel more soreness around my scapula the next day. How do I know what is best for me? I’m 42 and my muscles and joints aren’t as strong as someone half my age.😅 I don’t want to do any damage.

[@notreds_4559]

i had no idea that there were different styles to draw, thx for teaching so well

[@ThirdLawPair]

Off topic question. Yesterday I fell and broke my wrist (I was playing tag with my daughter). Is there a way to maintain my strength for archery if I can't pick up a bow or really do anything with my bow hand? I just moved up in draw weight and I don't want to start over from square one why my wrist recovers.

[@sofiavalero8553]

You could use a shot trainer in the mean time

[@RogueArcheryTV]

This is unfortunate. The reality is that this wrist break is a forced off-season. You may be able to maintain some fitness, but honestly I would just focus on getting better and emphasising other elements of your game. Build up lower body and core strength and stability. Redesign your training plans. Look into your mental game. Plan your return and map out the return to form once you're healed. Mostly, have some downtime and enjoy a break from training so you can return HUNGRY.

[@florenciaferreccio1857]

Excellent explanations you are great doing this thanks for sharing

[@markbraham5439]

Amazing video and derailed explanation, makes a lot of sense to me. Totally agree.

[@charlesromero2671]

Love the video and how much research you put in. I have to say though that movement of the bow will almost always happen when coming into anchor, that degree of angular movement does not define angular draw. I would instead be more interested in angle of the draw arm elbow, and or distance of drawing hand from bow arm. These measurements would likely show more significant difference between the two styles. I'm sure you know that though, so I'm curious why you chose bow movement as the criteria?

[@RogueArcheryTV]

Great question. The way you described it is how it is commonly explained, as in the drawing hand is further from the body during the draw. We should note that this is actually what creates the angular motion of the bow. I actually don't mind this description, but then why call it an "Angular draw"? If that was the definition, it should be called an Open draw.

[@AyodeleRebecca]

There is a slight movement in the sight and stabilizer rod

[@PP_CH8]

Thank you very much !

[@giulias.412]

which software do you use for the movement analysis (drawing on the videos)? 😊

[@RogueArcheryTV]

@@giulias.412 Dartfish

[@kxf-dj6yy]

Hello, I have a question. How to ensure the body is perpendicular to the target at pre-draw? I use linear draw. My body is open to the target before raising the bow. At pre-draw, my body should rotate to be perpendicular to the target. However, sometimes when I pre-draw, my body doesn't rotate to the right position. Then the body will continue to rotate when I draw the bow, and my left arm and the sight will rotate to the right with my body. This leads to different positions of sight at pre-draw and at anchor, and loses the advantage of linear draw.

[@RogueArcheryTV]

@@kxf-dj6yy thanks for your question. This issue has nothing to do with Linear or Angular draw, but the consistency with which you achieve your Pre-draw position. Without seeing your video, I can't give specific feedback, but I have done some videos that may help: 1. The Pre-draw module of the Masterclass (preview for free) 2. My CCS#1 and CCS#2 videos 3. Building an archer Blueprint video 4. Shot process overview Watch these as homework and let me know how you go.

[@kxf-dj6yy]

@@RogueArcheryTV Thanks for your answer. I'm going to watch these videos.

[@kxf-dj6yy]

@@RogueArcheryTV Hi Jarryd, I'm back. I have watched these video and tried to implement the techniques into my archery moves. I find even though I understand the techniques, it is difficult to perform in practice, especially to judge whether the shoulder alignment is done well. I will do the two drills everyday in hopes that my body will remember the correct shoulder alignment.

[@RogueArcheryTV]

@@kxf-dj6yy good work. This is why coaches exist! It's obviously important to understand the principles and do the work, but there is always a place for feedback and instruction. I recommend you find a coach who can assist you with personal feedback in this regard. We also have the Rogue Archery Masterclass where students can post progress videos and get specific feedback from myself and a global network of coaches. That's a good option 👍

[@Hihi-rl4mm]

Thank you very much for these great Video ❤

[@bderkte1194]

Thanks very much for this great an informative video

[@miguelcoutinho4105]

Really nice man, thanks for the lesson

[@RogueArcheryTV]

@@miguelcoutinho4105 thanks! What did you learn?

[@grahamawilliams]

Would you say an angular draw is more efficient in promoting the recruitment of the back muscles in the drawing process? It occurs to me that with the wrist cocked and a linear direction of the draw hand there is a greater likelihood of tension in the bicep.

[@RogueArcheryTV]

A really great question! There are a few parts to this: 1. You're correct that the 'kinky' wrist adds some tension to the wrist extensors and biceps. 2. Just because there is tension in the bicep, this doesn't preclude correct engagement of the scapular retractors. One of the things I tried to show in this video at 5:10 is that there is much more in common than there is different between these draw styles. People tend to talk like Linear and Angular draws are completely different, but they are different only in a few of subtle ways. I go into this more in the behind the scenes breakdown.

[@edn301]

Re: Aiming Path Proper timing of aiming takes place ‘AFTER’ an archer has achieved Transfer to Holding in angular (BEST/ KSL /NTS) drawing shot process to settle down before an Expansion. It is important not to trace the sight pin with your eye(s) during the setup, loading, and anchoring to full draw (also known as Transfer). Proper timing of aiming takes place after an archer acheived Transfer to Holding in angular ( BEST/NTS) drawing technic not tracing sight pin with your eye(s) during Set up to loading and anchoring to full draw ( aka: Transfer )

[@edn301]

Primary Goal and Reason of Proper Move in the Angular Shot Process (also known as BEST/KSL/NTS) is: To prevent injury (especially to the archer’s shoulder), not to quickly achieve higher scoring results in a short period of time compared to the linear shot process.

[@Sangey_archery]

Can you help me with where to place my bow hand on the riser in all details

[@RogueArcheryTV]

Covered briefly here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6Ovn36nlLCrlbssi=qnQPudurIVFOXQvZ

[@Sangey_archery]

@@RogueArcheryTV thank you. I will go through it.

[@everwill6088]

Don't know if I'm right but from the video it sounds like Angular Draw takes slightly less strength to pull out the string since Linear Draw might require certain muscle to be maintained on the same life when u draw back, or maybe I'm just talking nonsense but I buelieve that's what it means

[@jeffreyburr6418]

This is interesting because I’ve just returned from a country where linear draw is prevalent. I’m not sure I saw anyone get their draw elbow lined up completely. I have to admit I’m unsure how the Oly anchor really works because it seems like once the string is at your jaw you can’t go any further back, even if you’re not quite achieving full extension. Barebow guy here. Anyhow whatever causes the sticky-out elbow tendency has to be counted as a mark against linear draw, I think.

[@prodannau]

What type of drawing does Sjef van den Berg use?

[@RogueArcheryTV]

I covered Sjef in my detailed analysis video here :) mailchi.mp/roguearchery/buu6ub6gqu

[@foolwise4703]

Hmm - I come more from the traditional side of archery, where there is more of a throwing of the chest forward. I think this is partlz to prevent the bow from rotating while using the back ideally to make the pull. This is more pronouced with thumb draw techniques and with longbows at very heavy draw weights.

[@RogueArcheryTV]

Thanks for sharing! I'm definitely no expert on traditional styles of drawing, but observationally, that makes sense to me. Traditional archery styles, particularly where military archery styles have developed, tend to emphasise shooting heavy bows. Some of them REALLY heavy! Where as modern recurve archery the bows are nowhere near as heavy (probably 30-50% of the draw weight), but the emphasis is more on precise consistency.

[@foolwise4703]

​@@RogueArcheryTV Just found an example kzbin.infoV93oxThgWd0 I wonder if this would qualify as angular or linear or something entirely different.

[@RogueArcheryTV]

@@foolwise4703 That's quite a good clip. Look, one of the points I was trying to make in the Linear vs. Angular draw video is that it's not the foundation of all good archery technique, and there are better ways to categorise techniques. By definition, any draw style where there is Angular motion of the bow throughout the draw is technically an "Angular" draw, but I don't think this is a particularly useful definition, as almost everyone does that to some degree. I don't want to be the guy to shoehorn this term into other shooting styles, and it's probably better to just call it what it is: Ultra heavy war bow drawing method!

[@foolwise4703]

@@RogueArcheryTV Haha fair enough.

[@gerardmaroney3918]

Amazing stuff. Thank you.

[@miroslavmirchev5035]

I tried angular drawing for about 3 years. I have always shot strong bows. I bought the KSL books and step by step I eventually succeeded. My opinion is ... The angular draw way distributes the bow force much better between the arms and torso 50/50%. Bows over 50 lbs can be shot with ease. But it is much more complicated to implement. There are more elements to it and each of them can become a potential error. Now I prefer the linear draw. It is only necessary to build up quickly, put the front sight on the target, draw and continue to the end. Even if the clicker clicks earlier, the tension has been directed long ago and the error is many times smaller. In my opinion, this is the way to short timing. It is not easy to shot with strong bow. More or equal of 50 Lbr. It is less linear when applied to the sides of the jaw and more linear when applied to the center of the chin. It depends perhaps entirely on the physique of the shooter. I find it more comfortable to apply to the side of the jaw, because that way I can more easily get the right shoulder in enough to feel the back shoulder musculature. I just have to finish the shot. For me, this technique groups the arrows much better and is many times easier to repeat, but this is just my opinion. It is no coincidence that Korean coaches mainly teach this way of shooting. It's just easier and safer. I'm not commenting on shooters for whom it's an all-day job. One day everyone finds their shot.

[@chrisgaskell3706]

When you highlighted possible downfalls to an angular draw, you did so as a prior fault by the archer in their technique. (i.e. stability issues) Doesn't this apply to any stage in any style and therefore is an invalid argument? Just asking. Excellent video by the way. 😊

[@RogueArcheryTV]

Yes correct. Both of the drawbacks of the Angular draw are things that need to be considered and addressed in the implementation. It's a bit like saying "infection is a drawback of surgery, so make sure you sterilise your instruments!" I did make a point to draw attention to the postural instability, as this is a super common one to see, and posture is not to be compromised if you want to shoot high scores.

[@WalterMitchell-o7k]

As long as no impingement on either draw, your fine. second end up in line. No impingement no injuries. Shoot alined and ya shoot straight. If your alinement is off, do a daily stretch and light weights, some take days to get to alinement some take much longer. Your shoulder will be 30% stronger by being well stretched out.

[@BogdanGwardiak]

There is (in this video) a question about which is better angular or linear. In my view that is the wrong question. The proper question is: what is the drawing goal? The answer is obvious to me, the goal is proper alignment in full draw. Linear drawing is focused on placing the arrow tip in the right place under the clicker. After that archers try to apply angular movement shoulder to set proper alignment. This is not natural movement limited by the shoulder and wrist tension and requires no natural engagement of back muscles. I saw plenty of archers who did linear drawing and they didn't have proper alignment. Angular drawing naturally leads the archer's body to proper alignment and gives the archer other benefits mentioned in the video. I saw coaches who didn't know how to correct bad alignment. They tried to teach archers to engage back muscles in the final stage of drawing and it didn't work. Talented young archers are kept with linear drawing which makes shooting difficult.

[@ashadizanur4907]

Excellent explanation. Young Hawk Eye.

[@imti3315]

Great video! Thank you

[@Samblack...archery]

New subscriber and New archer 👍

[@RogueArcheryTV]

@@Samblack...archery welcome!

[@wanr5701]

With linear draw, i have better consistency in draw cycle at the expense of more energy needed. With angular draw, I am able to use higher poundage with less effort, yet have tendency to overdraw past my anchor point.

[@RogueArcheryTV]

This seems to stack up with my experience as a coach! Hopefully some of the guidance in this video will help with consistency and injury prevention together...

[@lstavenhagen]

This has always been my problem too, if I adopt the technique of "draw to alignment, not anchor". At good alignment, the string ends up behind my nose with the nose virtually blocking my view of the target. The only way I can shoot in good alignment is by extending the draw arm's length with a d-loop and release aid. With fingers, its only an endless exercise in frustration. So now I just shoot as an outlaw with a release aid. I can't compete except with the compounds in the freestyle classes (which I don't bother to even try), but I can finally enjoy recurve archery....

[@lubossoltes321]

You are confusing some details it seems. What you consider angular draw in some cases is just set-up to anchor position which is dependent on personal anatomy. Those drawing below the chin and then raising their hand to anchor have an easier time going full linear while thos drawing above their anchor point and then lower to anchor seem to be using an angular draw. 1-2 degrees of bow rotation between those positions is not really angular draw since the bow starts linear to target in set position ... Or at least that's my take on it. EDIT: Linear draw has one advantage, you can maintain aim throught the whole draw cycle while in angular draw you can only acquire aim at anchor. under time pressure this can be the difference between a hit or miss.

[@lstavenhagen]

So the TLDR version is: it doesn't make any difference. Why? Because non-teachable/non-learnable techniques _can't_ make a difference. What _does_ make a difference is: a) where you end up, not how you get there, and b) whatever you do doesn't rip your arms out of their sockets. That's always been the unglamorous conclusion of the debate over the many years I followed it. Grab on and haul it back, and let the body naturally figure out the non-painful way to do it, seems to be the true ideal....

[@mtlfpv]

100% agree. I've tried to apply both techniques, neither one felt right, and now I'm just somewhere in the middle doing whatever feels natural and comfortable.

[@jake30966]

What does it matter ?

[@One7OneTV]

Wow 18:07 so true

[@SkullCrusherXDtechy]

I had shoulder impingement with linear. Switched to angular after 1 month rest. Now I can shoot 5-7 pounds heavier without pain

[@RogueArcheryTV]

Well done 👍

[@lubossoltes321]

hmm ... the way I understand it, angular draw helped you to properly engage the back muscles while in linear draw you relied more on the arm so your follow-through did not go the right direction. I had the same issue and basically same solution. but those 2 are not connected. you can linear draw with correct back tenstion and follow-through, angular draw just makes it easier to achieve.

[@One7OneTV]

I is think angular draw comes more naturally for me

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[@jas2819]

Took way too long to get started.

[@raellaneta6832]

So what's best...whatever you feel comfortable with lol

[@RogueArcheryTV]

@@raellaneta6832 no sorry, I just want to make sure you don't misinterpret the point of the video. In this video I outline a number of reasons why you might choose angular or linear draw styles, but none of those points are based on what feels good! Infact, I've done a whole video on why you shouldn't choose any technique because of the way it feels: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jX_di55vh9Wqq6csi=VZz7SEqwjTyFYrTA I hope this helps.

[@chrisbergeron860]

You are just like the others. Teaching confusion. Both archers are doing the exact same thing. There is no defineable evidence of difference btw the two.

[@kborak]

Well, I dont call what you are doing archery.

[@nicholaslambrecht4345]

Then go watch videos about what you do consider archery, and let others enjoy the sport the way they want to.

[@сергейЛавров-у9э]

Хорошая подвижность лопатки тянущей руки обеспечивает линейное натяжение. Тогда и сгиба в кисти не будет. К тому же, некоторым лучникам не комфортно видеть прицел сразу в мишени и они заводят его при угловом натяжении. Всё как всегда индивидуально 😉

[@tomtolentino7575]

In Reality, it is the end result of how each individual’s body aligns directly with the bows draw process. I see it as, that there is no right or wrong way how ones shot process is achieved, as long as one is comfortable in the their shot cycle. I think that many coaches, and or athletes who over analyze “ The Process “ tend to carry on this debate with so much scrutiny, that they tend to confuse the “ Simple Archer “. I personally, follow a more “ SIMPLE “ mindset……in the Words of a great movie quote by the famous Bruce Lee. (Quote ) “ Don’t think……FEEL…..It is like a finger, pointing away to the moon…..don’t concentrate on the finger, or you will lose all that heavenly glory “. I also teach my students, to follow the rule of K.I.S.S. ( Keep It Simple Silly ) even as professional archers, and common everyday backyard champions, too much scrutiny is sometimes way too much. I mean, in the end, the whole mission in any archer, is to put “ arrow on target “…….theres just too much debate on how it gets there, or rather the process. K.I.S.S. 😇🙏🏹🏹🏹🏹🏹🫠👍

[@jeffreyburr6418]

This is interesting because I’ve just returned from a country where linear draw is prevalent. I’m not sure I saw anyone get their draw elbow lined up completely. I have to admit I’m unsure how the Oly anchor really works because it seems like once the string is at your jaw you can’t go any further back, even if you’re not quite achieving full extension. Barebow guy here. Anyhow whatever causes the sticky-out elbow tendency has to be counted as a mark against linear draw, I think.