Archery | Linear & Angular Draw

[@Waltham1892]

Straight or angular are equal as good. You could say, its a draw...

[@Taistelukalkkuna]

I bow to your wisdom.

[@klausernstthalheim9642]

I see my arrows!

[@carsonbarrett2529]

there are limb-its to some puns out there

[@JarrydGreitschus]

I think he missed the point.

[@Waltham1892]

Don't nock it if you haven't tried it...

[@gary4451]

This is without a doubt the best explanation of the rotational draw that I have ever seen. I was able to apply these principles and the results were dramatic and immediate. I was able to draw and hold the bow with far less strain or discomfort on my back and shoulders. My arms and shoulders moved into the correct alignment with ease and my arrow flight has never been better. Thanks NUSensei!

[@gasolinem16s90]

I have been having issues with drawing back my bow using the straight draw method due to a connective tissue disorder that causes my shoulder (and other joints) to subluxate. The pain and damage has taken all the interest out of the sport, but after seeing this video, I picked up my bow again and tried the angular draw. It was a massive difference and kept the weight on my back instead of my shoulder. I haven’t been able to draw back that bow for quite a few years and this was the first time I was able to do so without pain and subluxation. I don’t know if this works for everyone with my issues, but it seems like it should work for me. I now feel like I can get back into the sport and thank you for putting these videos out. I probably wouldn’t have figured this out any other way and many of your videos have resurged my interest in the sport.

[@jimmacq8485]

I teach the angular (I prefer to think of it as the "parallel" because the draw forearm is parallel to the bow arm) because of one simple thing: most beginners draw using the bicep of the draw arm, and then it's almost impossible to get them to use the back. The angular draw can really only be done by starting the draw with the scapula movement. Tension in the bicep equals plucking. If you watch closely, archers who use the linear draw are more likely to have a flexing in the wrist as they draw back. The reason is they are pulling the hand back to the face instead of pulling the elbow back behind the arrow. If you have a problem with plucking, the angular draw is the best way to eliminate it.

[@Murdo2112]

This video could not have been better timed. I started shooting just a couple of months ago and am still ironing out, one problem at a time, the faults and inconsistencies in my form and technique. Just this morning I noticed that I'd fallen into the habit of using this angular draw (without, of course, knowing that it was called this, or even that it was a thing). I'd found that it just felt a more natural way to move while drawing, but thought I was doing something wrong in not using a straight draw. So thanks for enlightening me that it's not a problem I need to correct. I can now focus on all the stuff that actually is wrong.

[@harryhughes8148]

Thank you NUsensei, the part where you described keeping the arrow lined up with the forearm, and your description of angular drawing in general has been a game changer for me. No more sore draw shoulder

[@chrishill601]

I've not shot a bow since I was a small child, (either elementary or preschool, but either way, I barely remember it at all, which is the main point.) Over the last week though, this channel has been my go-to, 'gaining basic knowledge of a new area' nightly watching. But while watching, I'll usually try to mimic your arm movements, to get a feel for proper form, in case I ever get the chance to use a bow again. And the first thing that stood out to me, was how unnatural it felt to try to draw an arrow straight back, while keeping my hand and wrist from forming far too acute an angle. And I know if I'm struggling to even get my arm and hand to manage it without holding anything, doing it while pulling ~20-30 lbs would feel very uncontroled. But, I assumed there was good reason to do it that way, and I just hadn't learned it yet. So when you started to explain the angular draw here, my first thought was, "Well, of course that's easier!" I will say though, that from the perspective of someone on the opposite end of level of experience, I have another theory for why linear draw would be taught, especially to beginners, and it's something you touched on in your '10 mistakes beginners make' video. You mentioned how it's not uncommon for someone learning a whole new skill, to have difficulty keeping track of all the things they need to be doing. And I think the angular draw adds one extra thing that, with the linear draw, is mostly taken care of for you, once you get fairly used to the draw itself, and that's consistently lining up the string (with whatever it is that person has chosen to like it up with). With linear, your anchor point takes care of the string being in the right place, and once you get the muscle memory, I'm guessing the bow will, (usually,) naturally end up in the same place, so process will become automatic fairly soon. (Again, not an archer here, so this is purely conjecture.) With angular though, you still have the anchor point take care of the string being in the right place. However, since you're applying lateral force to the bow and string, it would be likely for the bow to end up slightly off without realizing it, meaning it would require conscious thought to make sure it's lined up before you loose. I'm sure it would become second nature eventually, but I expect it would take longer, and that means more time that a beginner is in that, "Ahhh! Everything's new and I don't know what I'm doing and nothing feels right ahhhhhh!" stage.

[@Lehmann108]

Perfect timing. I've just gotten back into archery and this is something I noticed yesterday. When you initially draw straight back you have a wrist break. Your hand is inline with the bow and string, but your forearm is not, and cannot bio-mechanically, be in line with your hand. What happens is that you use the small forearm muscles right in front of the elbow to cant your wrist and hold your forearm out until about half way through the draw when it finally lines up. These small muscles are what fatigue fairly quickly as you shoot.

[@S4R1N]

Awesome, I'm brand new to archery and I'm self-taught + watching these videos, I'm absolutely a kinesthetic learner and I just 'felt' the best way to draw was. Happy to see I picked up the angular draw naturally, I can tell when I'm doing it wrong and feel a lot more strain in my shoulders so I relax and re-attempt and man, when you're doing it well it just feels amazing. I don't think anyone should be trained in using a straight draw, while you 'can' drop your shoulders, why not just maintain the load on the muscles designed to bear weight? Seems daft to me to use small muscles for heavy weights, you're just asking for injury, especially if you twist or are trying to fire while walking/riding.

[@clericneokun]

7:00 Keyword being "exaggerated". I would just like to add that, in an actual shot process, you won't actually notice the angular draw unless you were looking for it. I've seen some professionals do it so subtly that you could easily mistake it for a linear draw in most camera angles. As nusensei said, it's about the biomechanics. Don't worry about how it looks. What's most important is using the correct muscles.

[@NUSensei]

Indeed. When done correctly and optimally, the arrow goes in a straight line anyway. However, people have differences in their shoulders and elbows, and may find it easier to follow a certain path more than another. As I always say, don't copy form. Understand it.

[@greenhoodedvigilante458]

Yeah, you are right. I've also noticed that. When Brady Elison draws back his bow, you can easily say that he is doing angular draw. It looks very much angular. But when Jake Kaminski does it, you can't really notice that unless you really pay attention.

[@TheNockingPoint]

WOW! Thank you so much for making this video! Lot of good points that I have not heard before. Great perspective.

[@sebastienraymond3648]

Very good subject on the mechanics of human muscles. Moreover, I never realized that I was using the angular draw technique naturally before you produced a video on the subject. 👍 I'm going to sleep less stupid tonight. 😋

[@punjasandtyger4090]

The high angle shot is great to show the back muscles work

[@Thanatos2996]

I've found angular draw makes it easier for me to keep the weight on my back muscles rather than the shoulder.

[@ShahiR3634]

Thank you NUsensei.,.. Great explanation. Loud and clear. Very helpful knowledge transfer. 🏹🎯😇👍🏻

[@feralgrandad4429]

Ah, i came back to Archery after 30 years away. I use the "Angular" draw because thats what my coach taught me all those years ago. But, in those days it was called the "J draw" because of the shape the drawing hand makes as you draw. i am defiantly inclined to pop up my lead shoulder with a straight draw. But, thats just me of course.

[@scottnovak4303]

Excellent video! I just started trying angular draw this week and have noticed a big difference in my shot placement and far less fatigue over time. Plus, it’s almost impossible not to use back tension with angular draw. I’m a believer!

[@NUSensei]

I find this is true for me as well. With a straight draw, you have to work a bit more consciously to get the back tension right. The rotational draw inherently brings the shoulders into line *if done correctly*. I've heard others having trouble with alignment with rotational draw, but I think that stems from flaws in execution, such as using the bicep to complete the draw, breaking the wrist, or drawing out of line from the arrow.

[@TFlash_]

Great channel. I just started with archery and u do provide me with all the informations i am hungry for. With entire proces to understand what does it mean to shoot bow proper. I like your work a lot. U are truly my Nu sensei.

[@samschwinghammer6892]

I started out with straight draw, but as I rapidly moved up in draw weight I naturally developed somewhat of an angular draw, so I can attest that it is more biomechanically efficient.

[@PooMonkeyMan]

I might have to try this draw now. Came back from a shoot and my drawing shoulder was experiencing more fatigue than usual. Thankfully, this video popped right up on my recommended when I came back.

[@arnab6408]

I have recently tried the Kyudo method of beginning the draw from above my head while exhaling till full draw (really calms the mind, and I sometimes feel electrified within). It has immediately given me better results. And I have continued with it since. Hope I am doing it right. Self taught beginner... Edit: starting above forehead level again strains the shoulder muscles. Probably not advisable. Thank you Sense 🙏

[@nadgeemark]

Thanks NuSensei, this is very timely as, after watching Brady Ellison’s recent video, I’ve been trying to work out how he uses torso rotation to initiate his draw. Angular draw and using an offset stance should encourage torso rotation. Something new to work on . 😊

[@ChrisHillOlympicRecurveArchery]

the two draws not equal as far as wins at the top world level. The top podium winners use the linear ( Korean, Chinese Taipei, China, Japan, etc). The only archer using the angular draw with any podium results is Brady Ellison. The angular draw makes the it much harder to keep the front bow shoulder in line since the bow draw load is pulling the front arm left or right under the bow poundage load depending on the handed shooting of the archer. The angular draw makes it harder to get the rear shoulder in line since you are doing that at the end of the shot setup when the poundage is at its highest. Then is harder to continue around to come through the clicker. The linear draw line keeps the forces in line to the aiming point and is much easier to maintain control. Especially for beginner and intermediate archers. Also as you age into your 50s and 60s, if you intend to shoot any length of time, the linear will help keep your front shoulder from injury. The angular draw will shorten your archery shooting career. I disagree that angular and NTS/ Best is widely used at the Olympic and World cup level. And I can not name any other winning archer using it aside from Brady. Lastly, good efficient archery technique uses the bones and the bone alignment for leverage instead of the muscles and back tension. This is why the linear shot wins so much more often than the angular draw. It is much easier to shoot the linear with a relaxed shot. The angular draw shot is muscle tense throughout which is fatiguing under tournament settings..

[@gmivisualsjason3729]

Thanks Chris for that reply. Ive been and continue to teach the Linear draw method for the reasons you give.

[@dominicdeluca6378]

The angular draw causes the archer to correct their rear shoulder at the end of the draw when it's most tense. 1 sentence

[@user-bo8yt4uc8b]

For me the biggest advantage of switching to angular draw was that it is the only way for me to keep my draw arm wrist relaxed.

[@BakerMikeRomeo]

thank you so much for this video! the angle from up high and behind in particular really makes the difference in techniques crystal clear. that same kind of angle, i think, would be hugely helpful for illustrating differences between stances

[@kevinplus3adventures644]

Great video. At first I had a problem with not keeping my wrist relaxed. But it is the better way of pulling the string back.

[@Sketchy_Vettes]

Holy crap this guy is good, great teacher as well

[@cliffbrown4217]

Thank you. you are a great teacher.

[@RonKelmell]

Shooting for about 8 years and now experimenting with the angular draw and so far find it more efficient at putting the rhomboids into play. Arne Moe's video is equally helpful.

[@Cgljr]

As always, great information and demonstration.

[@jarousskyphilippe5831]

Your explanation made me understand why in Kyudo we should shoot with Angular Draw.

[@lindas.8036]

Absolutely fabulous explanation.

[@kevindonahue2251]

Damn I love these videos. This was a huge help for my weirdly sore draw shoulder. And yeah, I'm an over bowed noob...

[@7777giordano]

Brady Ellinson make a perfect execution of the angular draw

[@SparkyHelper]

Excited to try this soon. #mindblown

[@nathanward8692]

Another fantastic video. I noticed a couple of weeks ago that my draw was different to the other archers at my club, thought it was a bit odd, but now I know why! It seems that I learned to use a rotational draw intuitively, but most of the people I shoot with use a straight draw. It feels better to draw this way, but when you learn that sort of thing intuitively and then look at other people, you tend to wonder if you're weird.

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

the body learns by movement and should find what is most natural , and sometimes small movements are better understood when exaggerated

[@TheHuggybear516]

Awesome video super relevant for me. I shoot a 50lb bow and I noticed especially when I was getting fatigued that I wasn’t loading the weight on my back properly so I organically started drawing angular. I’d say it loads on the back much more naturally and I’m gonna consciously practice it lol. You’re the man NuSensei. How are you liking that super kodiak?

[@lubossoltes321]

Thanks NU, one of your best videos :-)

[@bowman321123]

Great information, thanks. "another carbon arrow" had to laugh when I heard it go, that's what you get for being so good that you fill up the center!?

[@tw8009]

Just (by accident) discovered angular draw and found it makes a HUGE difference at higher draw weights. I find it much easier to draw angular because the back muscles handle most of the weight instead of the shoulders.

Great and informative video!

[@SuePZZ]

Finally someone who explains it fully! All the other videos I've watched demonstrate it but I wasn't getting it. Would it work with a v or swing draw?

[@peterxyz3541]

I’ll try angular 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 thanks!

[@goozchild2000]

Always extremely interesting videos dude, many thanks :-)

[@social3ngin33rin]

Another amazing video :)

[@potshot23]

Have you watched Arne Moe's video on the angular draw, and how it sets the back muscle better??

[@sorensasse5109]

Great Video

[@michaelgeiss741]

NUSensei I really enjoy your channel! I notice that you and many top competition archers sometimes raise the your draw arm elbow just after finishing the draw. You do it at 10:27, 10:33, 10:40, and 11:25. Nothing else seems to move during motion. Can you explain the purpose? (I'm only a bow hunter, but I am curious and fascinated by competition technique).

[@Tykozuro]

Michael Geiss notice its after he anchors. He moves into the loading and tranfer phase of the shot and the elbow movement is a natural reaction of that. I think he explains a bit more in his back tension video

[@NUSensei]

The purpose is to get the scapula into the right position to take the load (i.e. the "loading" phase). This essentially rotates the scapula and is the key step in correctly maintaining back tension. Without it, the weight is kept in the arm or shoulder (hence the injury risk). The movement is basically back, up, then down.

[@michaelgeiss741]

Tykozuro Thanks, it helps to have names for the parts of the draw. I will be paying a lot of attention to my shoulder after anchoring next time I shoot.

[@michaelgeiss741]

NUSensei Thanks so much. I really appreciate your archery videos!

[@Firebutton]

This video saved me

[@santiago-martin]

Have you studied the practice of "rotating" the hips as part of the draw. It is another variation of the rotational draw which helps in shooting a higher bow weight.

[@Alejandro-te2nt]

rotational draw is the sumo-deadlift of archery. its not "better" but it helps you put the right muscles to work to perform the movement efficiently

[@deannabbe1]

I am a member of North Eastern Archers in Victoria and draw as I raise the bow, rather than(as most do) raise the bow then draw. Is there anything wrong with doing this? FYI, I can easily shoot a 90arrow scoring round(plus practice) using this technique, so I don't think fatigue is an issue.

[@NUSensei]

The main things to consider are shoulder alignment and weight transfer. I find more people are prone to inconsistent shoulder alignment when they draw from the ground up and have to make more adjustments during the shot process. The purpose of separating the pre-draw and draw is to allow the archer to settle into the right position at each stage and make corrections before committing to the shot.

[@deannabbe1]

Thanks for your insight, I'll try changing my style and see if it has any positive effects on my performance.

[@cloudrouju526]

linear draw is more of a one arm draw while angular draw involves the fore hand as well, hence easier on the body, but the gain in draw efficiency is loss in speed. one needs to be careful when using the term "efficiency".

[@bluepacman13]

Is it possible for angular draw to cause a twist in the bow string though?

[@davidcunningham6399]

Hi NuSenei. I've been following your videos for a couple of years now, since starting archery. Thank you for all the exceptional guidance thus far. Long may it continue. Your videos have become both educational and inspirational, especially with how your club incident was dealt with IRL and online! One question with this particular video... would an angular draw not put an unusual force on the limbs (and/or riser) in comparison to a straight draw or is all pivotal force to be placed on the palm/grip. Would this not in turn distort the limbs or a malleable grip over time? I should emphasise that I am as much a novice in archery, as I am in physics!

[@NUSensei]

The bow is aligned to the side of the target before the draw (i.e. the arm is aligned with the arrow). Therefore, the draw is directly in line with the bow. It does not produce a twist.

[@antoniobalta3520]

thanks im learning a lot or things :)

[@SnowblindOtter]

I know that head motion at 11:58. That's the head motion of "Damn, did I really just Robin Hood..."

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

Thank you .

[@360wheelz5]

I have a question. When you draw your bow in front of the mirror, does the bow completely hide your string (meaning bow-hand hides anchor) or is the string to the left or right of the bow?

[@Jazzman-bj9fq]

11:58 Did you hit a Robin Hood shot? Lol. I'm glad I found your channel, just started back into archery after a few decades and I'm endeavoring to shoot traditional barebow. What is the barebow you used in this vid?

[@NUSensei]

Bear Takedown.

[@Jazzman-bj9fq]

It's a nice looking bow! Thanks for the vids. I subbed and will be watching further!

[@PredatorWolf08]

Hi, really enjoy watching your videos, excellent advice, really taking on board. Only thing I'd like to query is the arm holding the bow, is the elbow locked or slightly bent? I was thinking if bent would it run the risk of pulling bow towards the body when drawing the bow and cause it to wobble around. Also with a locked elbow would it cause the risk of strain the elbow. I'm kind of thinking like how a body builder uses weights. So what is the correct way to position the elbow on the bow arm?

[@NUSensei]

Straight, but not locked. You shouldn't feel the elbow under pressure.

[@PredatorWolf08]

@@NUSensei thankyou, keep up the good work, great videos

[@carsonbarrett2529]

I like knowing now that there is a different method of drawing and when I get time today after class I'm going to try and see how this works out for me. Also was very curious on what your thoughts on the Elven Ranger bow was and if you think it in any way useful or more of just a novelty item to hang up for display?

[@robertfleming499]

Can the angular draw method be used for compound style archery using a hinge style back tension release?

[@DerekBartlettBeorn]

Is the angular draw what you use when you're shooting with the thumb draw/release and arrow on the right side, since you have to aim inside the bow for that?

[@NUSensei]

No, the method of aiming is not the same as the method of drawing. Most thumb shooting is based on linear draw.

[@alt-w7130]

Good info. Q: do you leave your string on your bow. or remove it after use?

[@NUSensei]

I remove it.

[@TheGuzmansforza]

I feel lot of exhaustion in front of my left shoulder and left trap. I'm right handled. Anybody can tell me why? Am I overcharge that muscles or I just need to get stronger?

[@manofmeat9881]

So with some of these videos they’re really useful to apply to myself (as a compound target archer), but hearing about angular draws, the only thing I could think of was the sound of my cams derailing haha

[@Rhike]

great vid

[@ArnisKalnins]

Hi from the notification squad! What sort of string silencers are you using? When not applied to the string do they look like simple strips of fur?

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

search rabbit hair silencer on alixpress

[@ArnisKalnins]

Morten Jacobsen thanks. I looked it up, but I saw some quite lenghty ones. What would happen if the whole string was coated with them? Is there any reason behind using more than a tiny bit of fur?

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

more you put on the more mass on the string to slow it down , style and feel I quess. some even use yarn

[@NUSensei]

Also, diminishing returns. The string isn't the only thing that makes noise.

[@ArnisKalnins]

NUSensei so are you implying that I would have to make everything fluffy - the string, the bow and even the arrows? :D :p

[@paigekoenig9323]

Thanks for this! I'm a beginner archer and I always get too fatigued in my shoulders to be able to practice for long.

[@geebee3d]

Though Paige’s post is 3 year old now, I will comment for those new archers that may see this. If your shoulders hurt after a few ends, you are over bowed. Switch to lower poundage limbs if possible, or look for a lower poundage bow. If you have never shot target recurve before, I would recommend for an average height/build adult male, nothing more than 25lbs, and nothing more than 20 for an adult female. This may sound really light, but in order to lock in solid form, you need repetition. And you can only do that if you don’t get tired after 20 arrows. So start off with an ILF riser and the cheapest low poundage limbs on the market. Use that to learn good solid form. Upgrade limbs in terms of poundage and quality as you develop your form. And if you are one of those American “Trad” guy hunters who thinks your form only needs to be good enough to hit a pie plate, and whatever distance you can do that becomes your “ethical hunting distance” do yourself, the deer, and the archery community as a whole, a favor, and learn to shoot with something that resembles proper form. That means that your first bow ever should not be a 55lb magnum recurve with which you can hit that pie plate 4/6 times at 9 yards, and think that’s good enough.

[@S4suk3S4mur41]

I am working to go back to the linear draw. Angular draw is AWESOME, but i was having an hard time with my grouping. I was struggling to put the string in the right place and all my arrows were on the left.

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

you probably put more power into the shoot increasing deflection and not used to the changes

[@KILLKING110]

how do you know when its time to replace a target is with when the arrow is going half way through or fully through?

[@ehisey]

KILLKING110 depends in the target. Some like rhinoharts are designed to stop arrows in side the target si probably need to be replaced when you start coming out the back. Others like Block use a friction stop os the arrow always goes halfway out the back, so gets replaced when arrows pass straight through.

[@breel79]

Hmm, as I think about my draw, both compound and longbow, it seems my bow arm does the straight draw while my string arm moves in the rotational motion. On my compound it is almost a straight draw, but on the longbow it's much more rotational. I think I like keeping the target on my side of the riser. Not really pre aiming, but mentally setting up the shot as much as possible before drawing. In the rotational draw, it looks like the riser starts left of the target and moves to the right of the target during the draw. Does anyone find this interrupts their focus on the target? I'm curious. Will have to try it out next practice session.

[@NUSensei]

You're right in that the bow starts off pointing left of target (for a RH archer). For me though, the focus is on the draw, not the target. The target only becomes the focus when I reach the end of the draw, by which time I align the sight with the target. Personally, the lateral motion of the string as the bow comes on target actually helps me with sight alignment. I've had trouble with linear draw because I never quite hit the right anchor point and I lose track of the string picture. The motion helps me visually maintain alignment.

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

are you using pre draw nu ? I start out on the right side around 2 and 3 o clock and drop down into target around 12 allowing the bow to fall into alignment

[@JRock589]

Nu - I'm having an issue where my bow-arm shoulder pops forward when doing a linear draw. As a result I injured my left shoulder during my first year of archery. Do you have any suggestions on how best to avoid having this happen? I notice you've mentioned the angular draw as one possibility, but I'm not 100% sure on how this works. Any tips?

[@ehisey]

JRock589 done right the angular has he calls it, should move almost all the work in the large back muscles rather than the smaller shoulders.

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

normally the shoulder or humerus pops up as the shoulder gets compressed, in severe cases the joint will dislocate making more space in the joint for further dislocation as the bone structure weakens or widens, this popping forward needs more explanation. is it towards the target ?(see doctor) or is it rolling in towards the chest ( over bowed) shooting with bendy arm ? all bobs in line ?ree draw ?

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

with the linear draw most people must twist to reach the string meaning the front and back shoulders are not in line , when the draw begins at this position the draw weigh of the bow goes into the shoulder at an angel and is under pressure as the archer turns to align . using a good set up and angular your shoulders are all ready in line and by scooping the bow arm pre drawing you set your pressure point and grip and preloading the arm. when you raise the bow your arm is a load bearing beam and once in line (barrel of the gun) your bone on bone should take most of the load as the when the draw continues the stress goes more on the bone structure and the muscles now poised to stretch, absorb or press against the draw force of the bow. like water running around a rock in river . as for the draw shoulder having it set back and string half way drawn the shoulder(with upper arm and elbow) can be turned around by the back muscles without much stress on the shoulder , more work being done by the back . allowing the muscles to contract more in the middle of the motion range compared to the outer region close to the sinew or heads where they are weaker.

[@brucestuart4950]

Cant help noticing that you are moving your draw arm slightly forward before the release then recovering for the after release "face wipe". It is particularly noticeable if one watches your elbow. I thought that was a big no no in form and reduces the power in the string.

[@NUSensei]

For barebow? It's a bad habit I have. I don't practice enough with barebow to feel comfortable at anchor.

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

I have a theory that the corner of the mouth anchor is elevated compared to the bow hand and is more prone to collapse as the bow drags the fingers down and forward compared to just forward when under the chin is used. also the trapezius works(handles load) different as its at different extension, upper vs lower .

[@ianbarnes1406]

I find that my left shoulder fatigues towards the end of a shoot and it starts rising upwards making it difficult to pull through the clicker. Would an angular draw help with this?

[@NUSensei]

It's worth trying. I also have the same problem with the front shoulder rising from fatigue, and I also generally feel like I'm exerting myself more (and getting less consistent alignment) with a straight. Switching (back) to angular made it easier for me to keep the shoulders and back tension in line. Mileage will vary, of course.

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

using the angular might involve using more of the muscles range of motion requiring the muscle to create force in a longer range , making it stronger at the joints making the muscles stronger as a whole. remember that the draw weight of the bow creates lift so more weight on the stabiliser might help with the bow arm to create the balance needed.

[@harrychen574]

Both draws are equally in line with the arrow. Somewhat. 2 points define a straight line. The "angular" draw (which so many here like to refer to as) is no more curved, than a "straight draw. The illusion of the curved path hides the fact that they are both in line with the plane of the bow. The definitive difference between the two draws, are the utilization (or non-utilization) of the biceps. The method concentrates on the use of the large muscle groups, and minimizes (or totally discounts) the smaller muscle groups. If you haven't understood this, you have misunderstood the two methods.

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

non of them are in line with the bow unless your a stick man . the draw has nothing to to do about the arrow its how you draw it back and most people stop drawing when coming to anchor calling it full draw while you still have the elbow pointing out then just hold and call it back tension, no transfer or expansion. the fact that the elbow can not move back in a straight line biomechanical being a ball joint calling it . a linear draw to begin with is errant , beside that anchoring and drawing should be separate actions . coming to full draw should not be used as a terminology . your biceps is involved no matter what method is used because its works in tandem with the triceps and is just along for the ride as more pressure is held in the forearms and gives the fingers strength hence the transfer stage .

[@harrychen574]

Morten Jacobsen “In line with the ARROW”. So let me get this straight: You’re saying that the much touted KSL drawing method, uses biceps? For the record?

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

if you point the bow at the target and draw your arm extends so the biceps extends as well , the more you draw shoulder is set back the less it has to move , your biceps has two connection points on the fore arms , it controls the angle of the string hand and the elbow unless you load the back the biceps will tensen up working isometric to hold the string in place , you want the biceps to be inert by using the predraw that way its moves with the elbow and shoulder at rest , it also makes it easier to not pull with the arm . your elbow might bee in line with the arrow but your string wrist is not due to the mass of the bicep and the hinge nature of the elbow (try putting your palm on your shoulder from a vertical position )so the string will travel towards the center of the bow at a transverse angel .the clicker reduces that angel by timing the release , but you still have torque at the grip hand so the arrow is at an angel to your forearm corrected by spine and plunger .

[@harrychen574]

Firstly, muscles work by contracting, not extending. Second, the elbow is a point, so it doesn't have an angle to allow it to be "in line" with anything. I did say that the arrow is "somewhat" in line with the arrow. I didn't say it is perfectly in line, that's just not relevant. I'm sorry, I find it rather hard to decipher what you're saying. My assertion remains: Nu Sensei has misunderstood the key difference between the two methods he's attempting to explain.

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

you need to read up on your anatomy and the hills curve. muscles have several jobs , contracting and elongating, extraction where the fibers lengthen from the contraction , and dampening shock and vibrations they also work as support structure and store energi. further the muscles has force control units and a gps system for tracking movement of the limbs the elbow is a hinge joints so just short of 180 degrees of angels there, and the point of the elbow lower humerus is rotated by the scapula and a myriad of muscles , by being in line we talk about being close to the draw force line as possible and you want the elbow on the line to load the back , the more you move the elbow the greater is the motion trough the clicker. if you want me to explain better i need a lot of string playdough and a freaking skeleton and better camera... (patrion anyone? )

[@differentgaze]

When I practiced archery the angular draw felt more natural to me, until I was "corrected" by a coach.

[@justinsheedy5711]

What is the draw weight of his bows in this video?

[@alphaclean3364]

I believe NuSensei shoots 40lb bows and his draw length is around 26 inches, yielding about 35lbs at the fingers.

[@azharsuhair1482]

hello ive being interested in archery for a while and was wondering what type of bow to buy then suddenly i got this weird question in my head. WHY DON'T MODERN BOWS USE SPRINGS TO PRODUCE MORE FORCE? i've researched online but couldnt find a single professional bow using springs. i mean springs could produce much more power than wood so why dont they use springs? would you mind explaining why that is? thank you.

[@dace48]

Plainly, the reason why bows don't use springs is because springs are not efficient enough. Although you might see some home-made bows with springs no professional one uses them due to the physics involved in archery. A common error that you see with new archers is they get bogged down in draw weight - thinking that a heavier bow will throw an arrow further and harder. Now this is only partially true, you need to look for efficiency often called "cast." There are many reasons why a bow could have poor cast such as materials, design, poor workmanship etc. I'll not go into complex physics such as hysteresis, vibration etc. but they can be interesting reading if you really care about the physics of archery but I will address one aspect. If, for example, I make a bow out of low quality materials such as PVC then the bow might have a high draw weight but the limbs are slow moving as they are heavier than wood so it actually throws an arrow slower, a similar situation is a poorly made bow versus a professionally tillered one. The thing to remember is when a bow snaps back it is moving itself as well as the arrow so a heavy mass bow is less efficient than a light mass bow of the same draw weight (I used mass to refer to the physical weight of the bow to differentiate it from draw weight.)The problem now is that as a spring is a coil of a material instead of a straight bar is has much more mass than a standard tapered bar so is less efficient. So in short, springs are not used in bows because they just don't work as well as the methods we have already.

[@ehisey]

Techinically that is what bows are. Just springs.

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

rules and regulations , and the limbs work the same way , they bend then spring back

[@azharsuhair1482]

thank you that was really informative

[@leeprice133]

Azhar Suhair as others have said, the limbs are springs (specifically cantilever springs) - they are elastic objects that store energy when placed under load

[@iuliancrihana8559]

also need for some left arm (arm keeping the bow) action analyzing. final 10-20cm movement could be downwards - like nusensei, upwards, or from right to left. of course, we can say are equal as good. we can say I learn from my teacher that way and is ok. I am a very strong human and I injured my left shoulder just playing with a 40 lbs bow. the science behind these is called biomechanic. means how the human body works. joints, muscles, angles, all.

[@CristiNeagu]

Turns out i have a rotational draw, and i didn't even know. It's just what happens when i use my back muscles to draw the bow.

[@salvadorelmercabotageiii9148]

Brady Ellison vs Kim Woojin

[@theamazinggoldfish8713]

Oh wakarimas. Lenear> Nihongo (Japanese) style, Circular more Chinese style. ERRrr unless you count Go shin rhu (circular/straight) style.

[@bobsteckenreiner3415]

self taught archer here. I draw angular. Never noticed before, tho. Guess my body told me :"hey do it this way, it's more comfortable for me"

[@JuanGarciaOvidio]

I’ve been watching this channel for years and I can’t see the benefit of some of the recent videos. Honestly could we get some more practical videos . . .

[@obk2046]

I’m 16 and shoot a 70 lb recurve, that’s really good right?

[@NUSensei]

You're only as good as your score.

[@obk2046]

I wouldn’t say I’m great, but people tell me I’m good.

[@MrBlackhawk49]

huh I just noticed that I'm weird: I usually use a straight draw, but when i get to the point that I can't do that anymore I unconsciously switch to an angular draw never noticed that before

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

fatigue, build up of lactic acid

[@orlinzlatarski5229]

I agree with everything, BUT... you, and almost everyone else, present the draw sequences as black and white - you are either linear or angular. This is absolutely INCORRECT, as draw sequence is strictly catered towards personal biomechanics and is a balance between linear and angular. It's wrong to think of it the way it's presented here on youtube.

[@Oregon321]

I am perplexed by your accent. Sorry, it was unexpected because I have never seen/heard it before.

[@alphaclean3364]

@@ErrantChordier New Zealand, I thought