Introducing Roland V-Drums 7 Series with Butch Vig and Abe Cunningham

[@beowulf1417]

Sounds and looks great! Can't wait to not be able to afford it 😂😂

[@joesmith-vz1vx]

I was thinking of getting a brand new Lexus, but Im gonna get this drum kit instead..

[@pvampman]

@@joesmith-vz1vx😅

[@zothanzualachhangte3416]

🤣🤣🤣👌

[@gballmaier]

I think you don't have to wait anymore. SINCE DAY ONE!!!😅😅😅

[@SydneyDrums]

US$9000 🤡

[@danieljohnpeters]

Watching this just for Abe, love his drum style 🤘

[@Joe-mz6dc]

As a guitar player it's quite amazing how satisfying it is to watch and hear really fantastic drummers like these guys and see all their cool drums and tools in action. The dream for many of us guitar players is to have that rock solid drummer to lay down the foundation that we can play over.

[@andreoproprio]

This video makes it pretty obvious that technology improves, triggers improves, the sound resolution improves, and no matter what Roland modules are still able to turn it into a crap sound. How hard would it be to make it sound like a vst in 2024? There's a very clear difference as soon as they use DW soundworks, soooo much more natural and realistic.

[@TheNomadicHandpan]

Yeah, they still can’t seem to get past that “fake” sound. Even after all these years.

[@florisbackx1744]

I have thought about this often and think it has todo with latency. I'm guessing the Roland module does not want to make any compromises when it comes to latency for the player. I have a TD 12, it doesn't sound amazing, it sure as hell feels amazing. As soon as I play via a VST the feel there is always some latency and it just feels not as good. Roland has an insane amount of experience in digital audio, so it must be a conscious choice.

[@braepil]

@@florisbackx1744idk man my 5 year old base model MacBook runs EZD3 just fine when using MIDI with my TD17. It can’t be an impossible task to incorporate into the world’s most expensive modules.

[@MythixMusic1]

Right? I can't beleive how crap they sound

[@v000000000000v]

i just have a mini PC permanently attached to my set with superior drummer running on boot up lol,

[@aaronkaaimarino]

Two of my fave drummer/musicians in the same vid?!?! 🤯 These drum tones are 🔥 🔥 🔥! So good!

[@nickalexander1839]

These two are legends. Full stop!

[@noquarterdesign]

What a great choice for this. Abe is so good at getting perfectly in the mix on their records. Holds it down so tight without the need for constant flair or gimmicks. Such a talented guy.

[@tcellen2136]

Nice! ABE! Finally...Swearing in Roland Videos haha...also UK Wet Booth thanks to the amazing Chris Whitten and Peter Henderson. Recorded at the incredible Real World Studios UK

[@progression_decibel]

Chris did that!? Awesome!!

[@onomatopoeidia]

@@progression_decibelthey’ve been involved with Roland for years. TD-50, TM6Pro, TD27, TD17 hundreds of amazing drums.

[@digitaldrumming]

Awesome guys, awesome studio, awesome drums :)

[@konradschwehr9777]

great playing style and fantastic sounding samples

[@Hayfever33]

Love this Abe has such a great style, would love to see him on a drumeo video

[@Kitesvera]

Abe is the 🐐

[@julianandreaswiggins5756]

I love the kit and I don’t even have one yet💘💘💘💘💘💘💘💘💘💘💘💘

[@Diego_panrock]

My man Abe rocking as always!!

[@chrisevans1546]

Welcome back to another episode of "Cigs with Vig" I'm your host Butch Vig and today we'll be enjoying some Seneca 100's.

[@dennisagresti9367]

Abe crushin' it!! Couldn't help thinking I feel badly for the drummer that buys that 'demo' kit after being pummeled like that 😀

[@freddyalvarez5871]

Cool Breeze! 🌴 🥁

[@deathbrodigital]

Cool Breeze 🐐🥁😎

[@captianobvious9234]

Abe is the fucking man. Period

[@daltonidaho]

Roland drums finally sounding good! And kudos for not censoring the cursing 😌

[@chriszichriszable]

What's the point of recording a digital drumkit through this awesome Neve console? Am I missing something? Why don't you just make the samples sound like they were running through this Neve console? The whole point is that you don't need a recording studio like the Studio 606.. This is a marketing fail. This should have been produced in a bedroom somewhere.

[@NURREDIN]

This is going to change the necessity for us "at-home" studio owners to have to re-record drums at a "bigger" studio. Recording drums is one of the hardest things about recording. Things are at the point now where you only have to use mics for vocals, horns and strings (if you use strings).

[@grumpy8413]

If that is what you do then it is overkill and a very expensive one at that. A TD27 is all you need and will trigger all the DW soundworks if you want, although you will never get it to trigger the VH14 correctly. I tried it along with upgrading to the 50X that went back as it was no better than a TD27 with 27 separate outputs into Cubase. Yes it did have some different sample drums, that in my opinion the toms did not sound better than the birch toms in the TD27, they were not in to 50x that had less kits???

[@NURREDIN]

@@grumpy8413 It depends on what you're willing to settle for. Quality costs.

[@CMDRUMS76]

I record drum tracks from my home studio with Studio One 4 Pro, and I multitrack output all of the tracks as if it were a traditional setup,with bleed,etc… I use various drum libraries and stack them to get unique and custom sounds. Very cost effective for clients. I only charge $50 per song, I play all the parts live in 1 take on my edit. I’ve been a drummer for 30 years now, and no one can tell the difference. Granted it does sound cleaner. 😊

[@JG-nx3jg]

Just ask AI to make you a drum track

[@NURREDIN]

@@JG-nx3jg "IF" you want a GENERIC drum track. If you want a drum track made specifically for your composition, then you have to do it yourself.

[@TrueFallacy]

Abe Cunningham is such a badass 💪

[@iantouzel638]

two legend right there. Cool, 6 months i got my VAD504 and Roland puts out a new kit ..

[@journeyseb]

You never win with technology purchases as it is never the perfect time to buy.

[@alobosk]

Toms still sound like a machine gun. No round-robin. How many years now? Almost 20.

[@journeyseb]

Like a kid at Christmas who cannot wait to open a present, I'm certain you could not wait to write that comment. I bet you even checked to see if you were the first to write it.

[@onomatopoeidia]

Actually nearly 30 as the TD10 came out in 97. It does have antimachinegunning on the toms it just depends how you build and choose the sounds. It’s done in a much more complex way than just switching out layers as it’s aware of note interval and many other parameters. Def Check them out in person.

[@alobosk]

@@journeyseb indeed. Every time since the early 2000s, I've been waiting to hear proper drum sounds coming out of a Roland. Don't get me wrong, they're the best to trigger Superior Drums, but having to lug a high-end laptop and a good thunderbolt interface besides the drum kit, because on it's own still sounds like a 90s romper, is quite lame. Almost doubles the cost of the kit.

[@japhyvansan]

@@alobosk agree, let me get the marshmellows

[@MythixMusic1]

It's a joke, really. And it's not just electronic drums. All electronic instruments are living in the past. How they are making sales and still in business is beyond me.

[@chrisartist5155]

Should've shown a recording in a bedroom. The kit is already line level.

[@dino_not_dyno]

❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥

[@hugostos09]

I came from 2048 to tell you that Roland still sounds like a plastic machine gun toy

[@funkyfinnegan]

😂

[@TomSmith-hq1ok]

These are pretty awesome. I'd love to hear an A/B of the best sounds the Roland can produce, and the best sounds Butch Vig and Abe Cunningham can get with an acoustic in this studio. This at first seems like an unfair comparison but I question whether it should seem unfair, with how advanced ekits are now and especially the price point. I'd be so interested in the A/B

[@EEM1978]

Deftones and Garbage!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@lalalol36]

@roland Boss had a headphones amp for guitar that would use the input area as if that's where the amp was. If you turned your head it would sound like it would if you turned head with an amp in the room. Do that for your edrums.

[@1976oswald]

Awesome !!!

[@DevourTheBleak]

Abe’s a drum hero and a legend of today…really underrated in the drum world. Use a cheap ekit for the music on my channel…my dream would be to own a kit like this

[@vafangul5716]

Two legends

[@juliancantdrum]

Abe rules!!!!

[@blakeeatscheese]

I LOVE U ABE

[@johnnyteconosko290]

Abe Cunningham 🔥🔥🔥

[@mirkomarkovic3438]

You recorded this through a neve console and it still sounds like this?? You gotta be kidding!!

[@DrewShreveDrums]

Huh?

[@poornoodle9851]

Maybe don’t listen to things on YT if you’re an audiophile…

[@jasonmusic9938]

looks fun

[@prodtroms]

at 0:20 is that a deftones song ?

[@plazima]

No way it’s butch colabing with edrums let’s goooo

[@christiangibbs391]

He uses a Roland TD50 in Garbage 😎✌️🥁🗑️

[@onomatopoeidia]

@@plazima he’s been playing them live for years…

[@jesusislukeskywalker4294]

🔥🚬🥸 pretty cool

[@Shangrilahmusic]

Abe 🥁🔥

[@gustavovieira7708]

did someone else noticed that abe was playing around the fur on 2:12 ?

[@thetrain1919]

Would be nice to know what they sound like at some point...

[@davomoena]

Roland... great hardware sounds garbage. Im using a 507 trhough SD3 and it sounds amazing.

[@simonwalker2073]

This is the way

[@mr.clarence5548]

DEFTONES!!!!!🤘🏿

[@DavidOakesMusic]

❗Great Vid...

[@centralnetwork]

abe's a legend

[@TheNomadicHandpan]

I don’t understand how even after all these years, Roland still can’t get their samples to sound non-machine gun-ish.

[@japhyvansan]

[@japhyvansan]

it's Roland - mid level gear that's reliable for live performance

[@mancuniancandidatem]

I don't know why they are still trying to make electronic drums that try to sound like real acoustic drums. The best electronic drums were synth drums. Simmons, Syn Drums and anything that made a sound that wasn't trying to be a real drum. They were a creative tool of their time. I appreciate some people live in apartments and that these kits can provide a good alternative. I appreciate that these are good for doing demos. But really, why would you use one of these on an album instead of acoustic drums? Maybe for the electronic sounds. The acoustic samples are always going to be just that. Not as good as a good player, acoustic drums and good mics, pre amps etc. The first thing I do whenever I get to play one of these is scroll past all of the pretend acoustic kits and see what kind of synth drum sounds they have.

[@onomatopoeidia]

@@mancuniancandidatem it has a really powerful separate drum synth in there which is for creating new synth drum sounds. You can layer 3 of them or any combo of wav, synth or multilayered modelling.

[@journeyseb]

“I don’t understand”… exactly!

[@MarkyGoldstein]

Nice

[@borrago]

Awesome! Now just 10-14 years untill they become affordable.

[@theDeepBelow]

Whoaa...Was that a photo of Dave's kit during the nevermind sessions on the Neve?

[@dapsign]

Sure is

[@deftoner9763]

2:13 Abe plays Around The Fur intro haha

[@just_ppe]

How many cymbals were injured during making of this video? :)

[@TKbeatwerk]

Finally got to try 1 and I must say, don’t knock this kit till you try it, it actually sounds amazing for once in Roland’s years

[@SomebodyPickaName]

I'm sure to play one, it sounds awesome in person. It's just not being translated in this video. I have a TD-50X and I like the sounds in it when I'm jamming with my headphones.

[@nwndr]

​@@SomebodyPickaNameI really do think there is something to this in regards to how the audio from the modules transfers out. The v-drums have always sounded better to my ears than after recorded, it like the module overly compresses it or something. Still much better off using a high quality drum vst alongside the Roland hardware though.

[@SeanQuigley-zb2sd]

Roland needs to contract Nolly to help them make a sample library that sounds real. GGD has it figured out, Roland still do this day doesn’t cut it

[@onomatopoeidia]

@@SeanQuigley-zb2sd Roland owns DW Soundworks. Used to be called perfect drums. Check it out. Incredible sounds.

[@ERMAV]

Sounds fake. Sounds good … but fake

[@onomatopoeidia]

Compared to what?

[@ERMAV]

@@onomatopoeidia real drums obviously

[@xprophet9]

@@ERMAV😂

[@Durwood71]

It's about time upgraded my TD-17 kit. Step 1: Win the lottery...

[@downnorthmusic]

Does this mean we can do multiple layered sampling

[@tcellen2136]

in Soundworks that comes with it yes 18 layers x 8 nuaces, 5 mic channels per drum, IR reverb etc in Soundworks and multilayer with all the nuances in the V71 and combos of both. You can load multilayered DW kits directly into the module via Wifi and Sdcard too

[@downnorthmusic]

@@tcellen2136 yeah but is that saying you can do multiple layer of self made samples not a mix of just on board samples to get different velocities if you wanted to create your own inboard snare including with round Robbins and things like that

[@journeyseb]

I don't know... does it?

[@mdmorris6193]

Toms, at last for a Roland module, sound good. But, from what I read in the manual, still no method of controlling anything other than loudness of user samples under the stick. Seriously? To be able to control the brightness of the sample (filtering by velocity) under the stick is relatively simple coding…and yet more than three decades after it started to appear in keyboard workstations, it’s still not in a Roland drum module. If drum modules moved as fast as keyboard technology, these features would have been in the TD-30 module.

[@onomatopoeidia]

@@downnorthmusic yes. 3 layers in the V71 or 18x 8 with Soundworks.

[@myribsbroke]

I hope Butch produces a Deftones’ record

[@ProDrummer]

Sounds synthethic! No matter what, i´ll always play and record fu..ck..ng real drums!!

[@Bearlyontime]

It's missing the organic and raw feeling that you get from someone punishing their grooves live. Love Abe and Butch is Legendary 🤙🏾🤘🏾👊🏾

[@prospectnyc]

Are the samples in the plugin recorded at Studio 606?

[@spacepodstudio]

Would be great if it could load other drums than DW samples like vintage ludwig, tama, premier

[@journeyseb]

I'm sure those companies will charge you a pretty penny for that.

[@onomatopoeidia]

@@spacepodstudio you’ve been able to do that since the TD-50 so for many years now.

[@360.Tapestry]

interesting. these are synthesized sounds?

[@journeyseb]

No

[@onomatopoeidia]

@@360.Tapestry some yes. The acoustic sounds are acoustic recordings.

[@davidtempesta1968]

Hello guys ! I only play whith Roland for years ! The best and hotter sounds in the word ! I posted some sounds on my channel ! I use a Mc-808 , JP 8000 and olds stuffs from Roland and still sound very good !

[@vofitec1933]

At 5:46 there is a double trigger on the bass drum ;-)

[@melvinhuitema2344]

I think he changed it right before it hit so you get a flam but good ear nonetheless ☺️

[@TTPDrums]

A decent, nicely tuned acoustic kit still sounds 100x better. This is basically hearing a real kit that has been recorded, processed and loaded onto a fake kit to be processed again. They definitely have their place, but not in a million dollar studio.

[@journeyseb]

Ok, don't buy it then...

[@TTPDrums]

@@journeyseb I wasn’t planning on it. Couldn’t you tell?

[@RufusRoss]

@@TTPDrumsyou kinda gave it away 😅

[@makximumlive]

Well, check Real World Studios... There's an e-drum set out there...!!!

[@nwndr]

They certainly have a place in a studio. I wouldn't use them in place of an acoustic for normal drum recording, but you can load any sound you want onto the pads and let the drummer have fun with it. There is certainly value to that. And e-kits are a valuable thing to many drummers who live in apartments or townhomes and can't realistically have acoustic sets.

[@matthewharrington3248]

I plan on getting the DW e kit, but worry about laptop performance and capability. Would the new Roland V71 module be a good alternative for a laptop? Would I be missing out on something if I used that module instead of a laptop? Curious about pro and cons of using one or the other. Thoughts?

[@journeyseb]

All good questions, you should definitely do some research on it.

[@exhainca]

Butch didn't get the Battle Axe reference.

[@simonwalker2073]

Just need good feeling heads and midi link to SD3.

[@AndrewLeSynt]

i am still waiting for the guitarrists and bassists to play the midi in, and not the audio 😂😂

[@pranagrunge]

Is any body known what is the name of this headphones?

[@FEV369]

I want to like Roland, but they do everything in their power to make you look up their competition... everything.

[@photographerjonathan]

Best I ever heard a Roland drumset sound. but still haven't heard electronic drums that sound as good as acoustic drums. what are the names of the kit sounds used in this video. are they stock sounds that come with the module ?

[@adamgarner711]

Roland stock sounds finally have multi layer samples that sound decent. They listened to the feedback for sure. Challenge for me, cost of £8k is steep I’ve invested so much in VSTs that solved this problem already. I’m not seeing the benefit of spending 8k when my VAD + VST sounds as good. This is still a game changer and at some point I will upgrade but not right now. Maybe when there is a smaller kit or when this tech comes to the line that is one level down from series 7.

[@journeyseb]

I understand your perspective for sure. Hard to justify the expense in your case. Hard to justify the expense in any case actually. So expensive!!!!

[@adamgarner711]

@@journeysebyeah I agree. Very happy about the updates and progression made. Looking forward to hearing the new samples in person. I may upgrade to the new V71 module if it’s are worth the cost. If not I’ll stick purely with VSTs via a laptop.

[@MultiProductor]

What headphones are these ?

[@MultiProductor]

@@onomatopoeidia Thanks 🙏

[@MultiProductor]

@@onomatopoeidia Wait , I’m checking and they are not the same . I’m talking about the white headphones 🎧 the drummer is using

[@hyperspacecubed]

What brand are those white headphones??

[@mikeestatof7508]

It’s the headphone «Remote Audio HH7506»

[@Zazquatch1]

Can't help but comment on the sounds. There are truly better sounding e-kiys out there. For that type of money you should be able to get a kit that has upgraded and tweaked the sound more. Roland has imo alway fsllen on the sounds no matter how expensive.

[@Jpork666]

Which e-kit do you think sound the best?

[@stefanhurlimann6983]

Touchsreen?

[@AT-to7tk]

This makes sense for so many scenarios in modern recording. Crappy rooms/drums/drummers et al. People wanting triggered/sound replaced drums no matter how good the live drum sound is. It’s just not the same as being in a nice room with a good drummer, nice mics/preamps and crushing some ambient/room mics thru a nice compressor/limiter. And my ear will always be able to tell when it’s a sampled drum bc if you’ve ever played a real kit, the microtonal shifts in pitch are always present depending on where and how the drum head is hit. Sampled/sound replaced always give it away bc the drum transient never changes in pitch even the slightest

[@owkelahkalobegitu]

Abe, Bizkit's Otto and Morgan of Sevendust, last of the 90s "new metal" groove kings ❤️‍🔥🤘🏼

[@rockboy360]

Don't forget José Pasillas from Incubus.

[@owkelahkalobegitu]

@@rockboy360 yeah he's in the top 5 easy. Too bad David (ex KoRn) doesn't play like he used to anymore.

[@gustavobraga286]

Whic phone is that?

[@XCHADHIGGINSX]

I honestly don't understand what people mean when they say this doesn't sound good. I mean it's an electronic kit. It has limitations. But who ever thinks this sounds like shit probably hasn't recorded drums before (no offense). I could be wrong though, maybe y'all are hearing something I am not.

[@thepluggy1]

I'll stick with my new Tama Nebula kit

[@mrdrumz2132]

That finish is absolutely beautiful!✌️

[@BadMilkhotel]

Roland. Can I call you Roland? How about this? How about you let people create "Kits" and let them post them online for others to download? You could even have a subscription service for people to be able to access them., or lets say access more than a couple a month.

[@journeyseb]

I like the idea. I'm sure it would be a bit more complicated to implement than it sounds, but I like it.

[@onomatopoeidia]

@@BadMilkhotel that’s already been possible for decades. Anyone can make kit patches for V-Drums.

[@BadMilkhotel]

@@onomatopoeidia That's not what I said. - I know you can make kit patches. I said you should be able to easily upload them and be able to download other kits that people create. It is an easy way to get a very large selection of different kits.

[@onomatopoeidia]

@@BadMilkhotel I understand yes they are small files that include the wav audio and self contained so the same process as for TD17, 27, 50. Many already available via forums and web sites.

[@lesjayco7785]

Using DW software, finally Roland gets some natural sounds. Still prefer my Gewa.

[@journeyseb]

Great!

[@paulcassarino3429]

Just learned you have to use the Roland cloud subscription to use the expansion packs indefinitely!!! Really???!!! So you cant just buy expansion sounds (or even offer FREE quality soundpack updates) outright and be done with it? As much as the kit is a pretty cool redesign, to be tethered to an endless subscription model just to KEEP those sounds in your module after you've paid all that money for the hardware upgrade, makes it a hard pass for me!!! Just a big greedy miss, Roland!!!

[@ChrisWhittenMusic]

There is an option for a one time purchase, own in perpetuity.

[@journeyseb]

Again someone who does not know what they are talking about and bitching for no reason. When you say you ''just learned'' something, how about making sure it is actually correct before you start complaining. Plenty to complain about in this world, no need to make stuff up to be able to do it.

[@markd6777]

I play v-drums in my studio for late night work and used them live for a bar band for 3 years. This demo is quite lame, all the pieces are basically the same and do nothing for displaying the issues when using the v-drums. The player is a fairly hard hitter, great for video...bad for demo. The biggest problem with V-drums, since my very first set back in the 90's, is the compressed range of dynamics. The newer TDK50's still suffer from this and it is very difficult to keep the drums "up-front" and "in back" while you fight this compressed range, your adrenaline, the channel compressions and the on board compressions of each tom and snare. They sound great....but...they still lack the dynamic feel of my acoustic kit, especially in a club. I played my 25k with digital ride and snare and the 14series digital hats for 3 years live and always struggled with the the live levels being either too hot on the board or people complaining they could hear more of my actual stick on the pads/cymbals up front than through the PA. I love them and I hate them. Better than anything else on the market for sure...but....not really up to the hype these guys and so many others give them. I have a serious background in engineering and electronics as well as a great deal of studio work behind the console so I really feel the pain these things create and still love the lack of work it takes to get a good sound on tape in a controlled environment. Again, love them and hate them. Mark, Just another aging drummer who needed a real job to feed the family .

[@garywatts8811]

Start with the sound Roland makes a kit that you can modify what sound you want. Get into electronic device work it out make what you like. That’s what Roland does.

[@TheIvmanProject]

worst snare sound ever

[@echodream]

Come on...

[@jspic4907]

A kit bulky and heavy as an acoustic kit... but not acoustic? Roland, this is not what we want. What do we want? Make the TD11 with this same brain and bluetooth capabilities, for US$1,000 and we will love you.

[@adriannott4596]

Yeah that’s all well and good that they sound and feel great but your normal person can’t afford the good vdrums because in Australia they cost around $12000 so they are just out of range for the average person.

[@agit-prop8193]

Don't drop 9K on any tech that isn't fully mature. This is just insanity. Buy a kit for 9k that will be obsolete in x years? Lol

[@JG-nx3jg]

Roland kits last forever and an electric drum kit is hardly 'new tech', they've been developing e-drums for decades

[@onomatopoeidia]

Obsolete? I’m still using my octapad80 and pd31 trigger pads live and I bought them in 1987! That’s money well spent man.

[@TheNomadicHandpan]

For 9k, that money could buy an insane custom acoustic kit. No way I’d spend that on an E-Kit.

[@vvitchtripper]

9 grand to sound like you're still in 2003

[@skulduggery1]

abe is not the right person for this ad! his signature sound is completely reliant on the subtleties of acoustic drums .

[@onomatopoeidia]

Abe knows, anything goes in the studio because it’s about being creative as he does best.

[@6thinkforyourself9]

Damn . Still the same crappy roland sound..😢. Love this two guys do.

[@orlandoflores-pd]

is it just me, or do these drum snare rolls sound kind of robotic?

[@InactiveNode]

Butch!