Rolex Datejust 41 vs Grand Seiko "Snowflake" Spring Drive Automatic 126300 vs SBGA211

Contact [e-mail] for pricing and availability; Either I have it, or I can get it! Grand Seiko vs Rolex resumes with a marquee matchup: Grand Seiko Spring Drive Automatic SBGA211 and the Rolex Oyster Perpetual Datejust 41 126300. One is Grand Seiko “high intensity” titanium, and the other is Rolex 904L stainless steel. Both luxury watch contenders are 41mm men’s watches designed for every occasion from beaches to tailgate parties. These automatic luxury timepieces will be put to the test on this installment of Tim Mosso’s “Versus” on Watchbox Reviews!
The Grand Seiko Spring Drive Automatic SBGA211 represents the 2017 facelift of the prior Grand Seiko SBGA011.
Aside from the replacement of “Seiko” with a “Grand Seiko” logo at 12 o’clock on the dial, nothing has changed. Officially named the “Snowflake” by Grand Seiko designers and watchmakers, this Spring Drive automatic is defined by all dial features EXCEPT the loco. Undulating “snow drifts” and peaks are executed with a combination of stamping techniques, varnish, and galvanizing. Although the Grand Seiko champagne dial’s fabrication is more complex, the character of the “Snowflake” is redolent of northern Japan’s winter landscape and more charismatic than anything else hailing from the brand’s Nagoya shops.
A 41mm case of “high intensity” titanium (likely a grade five titanium alloy) sports curves, creases, and a mix of satin and polished surfaces. All polished facets are executed via Grand Seiko’s “Zaratsu” tin plate polishing technique. Zaratsu, which produces a mirror-like finish, is executed principally my manual means and is guided by the craft experience of the individual artisans. Strap tool apertures in the Grand Seiko’s lugs provide a sharp contrast with the seamless flanks of the modern-era Rolex. A matching titanium bracelet with a deployant clasp completes the equipment; water resistance to 100-meters is assured by a screw-down crown.
The Grand Seiko spring drive caliber 9R65 is both the most impressive and most controversial aspect of the SBGA211’s engineering. As a hybrid of a mechanical movement and a quartz caliber, the Spring Drive Automatic has potential to alienate mechanical watch purists. But those that dismiss Spring Drive as just another disposable device are ignoramuses, not connoisseurs. With no batteries, no capacitors, and no motors, Spring Drive achieves quartz levels of precision (+/- 15 seconds per MONTH) with motive power by mainspring and watchmaker serviceability for the lifetime of the owner - and then some.
The 30-jewel Grand Seiko 9R65 is 70-hour power reserve automatic movement with a power reserve indicator, stop seconds (hacking), and a date display.
Rolex’s Datejust 41 arrived at Baselworld 2016; today’s full stainless steel reference 126300 arrived a year later. While the Datejust II offered an appealing full-size alternative to the traditional 36mm Datejust, the “Deuce’s” dial and case proportions didn’t please all watch collectors and Rolex buyers. The Datejust 41mm resolves most of these shortcomings while adding a next-generation Rolex 3235 automatic caliber.
The 41mm stainless steel Rolex case is crafted from the brand’s highly anti-corrosive 904L stainless steel. Its bezel differs from the gold models in its use of a flat surface angled in a cone form around the dial. A matching 904L Oyster bracelet and a deployant clasp with Rolex “Easylink” complete the accessories. Easylink permits 5mm of tool-free size adjustments, and three alternative anchoring points inside the Oyster clasp permits additional adjustment with a conventional strap tool. The Rolex Datejust 41 is water resistant to 100 meters.
Rolex offers an array of dial, metal, and bracelet options for the Datejust 41, so the model carries more options for tailored appearance than the take-it-or-leave-it titanium Snowflake. The Rolex 126300 featured in this comparison includes a matte white dial with white gold indices featuring luminescent paint for nighttime use. A Cyclops eye date magnifier is present, but its humpback form is less obtrusive on the 41mm Datejust than on smaller models and the 36mm Day-Date.
Rolex’s caliber 3235 automatic movement provides motive force for the Datejust 41. This next-generation Rolex movement employs a “Chronergy” escapement, reprofiled mainspring barrel, and a larger mainspring in order to boost the caliber 3135’s power reserve from 48 to 70 hours. A stop seconds (hacking) feature, quickset date, and COSC chronometer certification are standard in all models. Additional refinements include a full balance bridge, a free sprung balance with Rolex Microstella balance bolts, and a Breguet overcoil hairspring rendered in antimagnetic “Parachrom Blue” alloy.
Rolex vs Grand Seiko starts now!
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[@stevestojan]

Literally just bought my Snowflake 1 hour ago. I own a few Rolexes and there is simply nothing “wrong” with a Rolex. I love all three of mine. And I’m certainly in the honeymoon phase of the Snowflake, by my goodness, in person this thing is gorgeous. Funny story, while I was waiting for the Snowflake to be delivered to the store (the place I bought it from had two stores, and the one near me didn’t have one in stock, so the owner made the 90 minute round trip to the other store to get the SBGA211 for me. While waiting, I hit the pub next door, wearing my DSSD. Within 30 minutes, the guy next to me at the bar said “Is that a Rolex?!” In the decade I’ve owned watches, I swear to you that NO ONE has ever asked about my watch. Coincidence? Yeah, probably. Anyway, I know that will never happen with the GS. This watch is just a beauty. More dressy than sport, but I’m wearing a long sleeve T and jeans and I don’t think it looks out of place. One of the best benefits? My wife, who knows “just” enough about watches to be dangerous will see “Seiko” and think I was responsible. :) Sorry for the long post, but I’m in love with this piece.

[@harveyfinkelstein2963]

If you have to answer to your wife about how you spend your hard earned money on a watch after supporting her, paying all the bills, and putting all 3 of your kids thru college, then the "SNOWFLAKE" was definitely a watch made for someone like you.

[@desmondoreilly1210]

You know that guy that sat at the bar next to the Rolex store, he's probably twigged that people are going to come in and toast their latest Swiss purchase. A quick text to his mates on scooters with helmets and your love affair with your new timepiece could be quite short lived. Just saying...

[@aey2579]

I want the Grand Seiko, but I also really like the Rolex. As your first luxury watch, which one would you get if you had to do it all over again.

[@harveyfinkelstein2963]

I had no idea people still went to jewelry stores anymore. With eBay and Amazon carrying all the swiss watches; why would you want to go deal with some cheap retail salesperson and pay more so they can get a commission???? Amazon Prime; next day!

[@jeanlefranc3817]

Noticed your story about the guy asking what was your watch. Same here, in seven years of watch collecting, nobody has ever asked me what was the timepiece on my wrist. But when your read watch blogs/websites, there’s always a story about this or that model being a great conversation piece. Maybe it only applies to the rarefied elite rocking early, no crown guards Submariners or rose gold Pateks...

[@todoroki]

Good lord this guy is knowledgeable and eloquent. He seems to think in whole paragraphs rather than sentences!

[@AtilioEscobar]

That's his claim to fame. You should tune in to his live watch shows. It's just a pleasure to listen to this man speak.

[@Narrowcros]

Imagine listening to Paul Pluta and than going on to listen to Tim. The difference is astonishing!

[@sebastiantorres1]

He should make some pauses from time to time, otherwise it gets really boring to listen to.

[@SHONUFF772]

He's a robot geek - amazingly full of information - robotically impersonal and personally detached lol

[@minombreesmuerte]

He would make an excellent watch cataloger

[@swabby429]

The Grand Seiko Spring Drive has fascinated me since its release. It still tops my list.

[@brennenkelly5594]

Q

[@rickjason215]

Agree.

[@Rickky007]

Grand seiko for the win .

[@Mysteryboy0007]

This is a W comment right here! I agree with you. I just wish they make the movement look as grand as the GS automatic in the back :)))))

[@swanhtet1]

Imagine a stranger woman (who doesn't know about Tim) complimented Tim's cool watch, and asked more about the watch just for the sake of starting a conservation, and Tim really explained her about the watch in details. "Hi, I'm Tim... " lol

[@the1916companywatchreviews]

On the other hand, if she were into it, then she'd be the one. Best, Tim

[@chevy4x466]

All that would matter is she figures out that u have money, that’s what turns them on and makes a man interesting.

[@entubator01]

Received my Snowflake last week. Owner of multiple Rolex and Omega, I am deeply impressed by the finishing and wearability of this marvel from Japan. Difficult to judge before seeing in the metal.

[@the1916companywatchreviews]

Thanks Thomas H! If you have a quick second, click through to our site and write a review of the watch. Our customers love to read about real world experience when shopping on our website. Here's the link: www.thewatchbox.com/shop/Grand-Seiko-Grand-Seiko-Spring-Drive-SBGA211.html Thanks in advance!

[@Nothingtoya]

I'm going for the Seiko. I don't buy watches for the resale value, I buy them because I love the watch.

[@RJA]

I can see the spring drive Seiko's gaining good value over the years. Maybe not quite Rolex levels but a decent amount

[@betochiwas]

Me too I like more the design of the submariner vs any GS Diver but in simple watches I prefer GS😊

[@Kevins-Philippine-Retirement]

I am an electrical engineer and appreciate that you used the term "Back EMF". Many reviewers describing the movement simply refer to it as "feedback", or something else more vague. I own a Datejust, and while I love it, being an electrical engineer who have worked with many outstanding mechanical engineers, I am fascinated with the GS Spring Drive technology. It is my dream watch. Thanks for the excellent comparison.

[@wertj3977]

What do you think about the new 9RA2 movement? Also, in your opinion as an electrical engineer, what is your evaluation of the level of technical innovation that is the spring drive as I've heard someone say it's a simple control system to which I would wonder why it took 20 years to create. I am envisioning as they improve efficiency in the future that the movements will get thinner and the power reserve will get longer as it's already at 5 days with the new generation. Grand Seiko have also invented a torque return system which adds half a day of power reserve but they refuse to put it in the lower end calibers.

[@MrPW2009]

I was tossing up between these two. I didn't own a Rolex or a Grand Seiko. My nearest Rolex dealer wanted me to join a waiting list and suggested I might get one in about 2 years depending how many of their existing customers want them as they arrive. I called the Grand Seiko Boutique in London. It arrived next day. Could the Rolex have been better? Maybe, but I didn't want to wait 2 years to find out. Very pleased with the GS.

[@blainecole5452]

The Grand Seiko does not have lume. But the hour markers and hands are so highly polished, they will reflect very low levels of light.

[@NotAud]

I thought you were full of it, but after buying one a few days ago, I can confirm, and that mere fact alone is absolutely insane.

[@ayoungtricknamedjim5498]

Exactly. GS polishes their indices so well that they don't need lume. And I'm in the camp that a luxury watch should never have lume. But was still shocked when I realized I could read my snowflake in any lighting.

[@jacob.oestberg4390]

I bought my snowflake a week ago after thinking about it for half a year. It has been on my mind because of the amazing spring drive technology as well as its beautiful design and dial finishing. When I went to look at it in person I had decided I would buy it if it was really 'all that' in person, and I have to say that it was. Even after comparing much more expensive, fancier watches, I simply find the Grand Seiko Snowflake to be the most beautiful watch I have ever seen. When you look at this watch in person, you immediately know that this is something special - the beautiful finish and the light reflections alongside with the dial and incredibly smooth sweep of the second hand brings an emotion of perfection to mind. I LOVE IT!

[@part6133]

I would want to try the Grand Seiko Skyflake

[@defenstrator4660]

Actually the pin sleeves aren’t a cost saving measure, they’re a material limitation. Titanium doesn’t take threading well due to it’s more brittle nature, so they had to go with simple holes.

[@iclogtoilets3483]

Then why did Tudor use screws with titanium?

[@chawenhalo0089]

@@iclogtoilets3483 much lower grade of Titanium (softer easier and cheaper to machine). Not all Ti are created equal.

[@chawenhalo0089]

+ the fact that Grand Seiko can get a higher quality finish on titanium than Rolex on steel. Titanium is notoriously difficult to work with.

[@eseskay99]

One needs Titanium screws for Titanium threads to work. But you better torque it to at least 32 N/cm or it will vibrate itself loose. Not many people have a mini torque wrench and that alone might cost about USD $2000.

[@oes2546]

Is Ti brittle though? Isn't it soft in its pure form?

[@johndilao9875]

This guy's knowledge of these watches and smooth cadence of speech would make anyone who had the money want to buy any watch this guy recommended.

[@PBL-TRX-2000]

I own several stunning and rare Rolex models, I love all my babies equally. I Just purchased the snowflake in Bangkok yesterday and I’m floored by the sheer presence of this piece, there’s no point to lament, Tim describes it perfectly save for its brilliance, the way light plays on the dial is a thing of endless beauty. IMO You’re first “nice” watch should be a Roly (you gotta scratch that itch), however a GS snowflake ❄️ will complement any collection and might very well be your favorite over time.

[@hewster1]

My first high end luxury watch was a Rolex but once I picked up the GS Cherry Blossom I never took my Rolex out of the watch box again. (Okay maybe once or twice a month). Thinking about selling it because I just find it lacking.

[@AR-xi7yw]

Granseiko Snowflake is a masterpiece. Datejust Is a good "luxury" watch.

[@stephenbowe0001]

Nailed it 👏

[@randytee708]

Well said..

[@ajbones4207]

Exactly! The Rolex looks bland next to the Grand Seiko.

[@EvanDempsey]

It’s all about the flawless dial on the GS. Take a loupe to it and you’ll start to suspect you’re living in an infinitely zoomable ray traced computer simulation.

[@MrCumstein]

It’s not even close

[@Chris-oz9qx]

I’d take the GS, but that datejust is still a fantastic watch.

[@mikedtw]

Just my two cents worth here, as a watch aficionado and graphic designer: I cannot overlook the garish, old English font on the Seiko. Makes it look as if it comes out of the middle ages! If/when they were to clean that up/modernize it, then its definitely a contender. Just IMHO.

[@Optidorf]

The Rolex has an edge on the bracelet, but the Snowflake is the winner in all the other compartments.

[@kevinmorrice]

the snowflake is a beautiful fusion of artistry, inovation and practicality

[@YouTubeAIbot]

Everyone says that but it’s amazing how well they made a beautiful bracelet with grade 5 titanium

[@Yesrmbee1443]

Rolex is a good watch with the same old modules,I mean automatic. But....GS is a technologically advanced module way way superior to any of the Rolex watches ever made. GS does not need any damn Swiss certification like "Officially cerified s..."

[@jackprick9797]

Rolex

[@chevy4x466]

I prefer the slimmer profile and elegant bracelet that Rolex manufactures. Truthfully, neither r my cup of tea. If the gs made it slimmer with the 9f quartz, then hands down gs for me. Big and clunky not great for every day wear

[@armandarmand1015]

Coming from owning 3 Rolex watches, I now have 3 Grand Seikos. Say no more...

[@MarcoVironda]

Armand Armand it’s funny, the same for me, in same quantity :))

[@Vyker]

Are they holding value though? A lot of us do this a investments as well as treats.

[@chimbatete]

@@Vyker They do hold value not quite like certain Rolexes but what watch does? (but who knows what the future holds). I have mutual funds. Collecting watches is a hobby not an investment. I'm ok of losing a few hundred dollars on a watch i may not even sell. I know though that im wearing a technically and aesthetically superior watch.

[@rickjason215]

I have the Snowflake. I wore a Rolex for 10 years straight. Now I wear the Snowflake. It weighs nothing. Sometimes I have to check if it is on. I also love the power reserve complication. I wish it was on every watch.

[@fengxia5323]

@@grahamcarr17 LMAO

[@damachine3]

2:49 "Enchanting the mind." Wow, that's an incredible case design! I have a few DJs in my collection...I appreciate them!

[@CrimFerret]

Both wonderfull all around watches, but if it were a choice betweent these two models, I'd go for the Snowflake. I think it's a better looking watch with a more interesting movement. I'll admit that having a display caseback does matter to me. I like being able to take a peek at the gears moving.

[@drtooth7505]

I wanted something special and unique to reward myself. Something that would not be noticed by the masses. Mine arrives tomorrow. It’s the GS.

[@theinsaneone911]

There are dozens of us!

[@torsvaghavfiske2528]

I use mainly tool watches: A Seiko 5 (4R36 calibre) loses 10s a day. A Vostok Amphibia gains 5s a day. A G-Shock gains 10s a month. A Seiko Kinetic gains 1s a YEAR. A G-Shock Atomic obviously flatlines to Zero.

[@tommym1966]

I wish GS would learn a bit from Rolex on the bracelet front in regards to on the wrist adjustment but in every other respect the GS is just beautiful.

[@ayoungtricknamedjim5498]

The only complaint I have about GS is that their clasps leave something to be desired and I still don't understand why tf they're using pins...

[@zackrz7]

Gotta admire that amazing spring drive technology.

[@WatchmakerErik]

You did a wonderful job with the technical words concerning the spring drive. Well done!

[@akosbalog4363]

Snowflake is a clear winner

[@the1916companywatchreviews]

❄️❄️❄️ - WatchBox Team

[@sergezerkin]

untill you take it in ur hands ...

[@Mak100ish]

I totally agree. The spring drive movement is something else :) So incredibly smooth.

[@sergezerkin]

@Vineet Jain if u say so

[@misterfreeze6545]

As long as you don't mind "muddled" technology driving your watch. And don't mind being unable to answer the question, "Is it electronic or mechanical?" Such a watch has its audience, however it is not for the purist watch customer.

[@IamMagPie]

The Datejust 41 is beautiful, but I hate cyclops on watches. But even without that "flaw", it would be no match for the beauty of the Snowflake.

[@davidbradley8150]

Yeah, same for me, that lens wrecks the watch for me. But, get rid of the lens... GS still beats the Rolex, the GS is just a stunner.

[@EmmanuelZavala91]

Brilliant video, incredibly well spoken. This mans speech flows absolutely seamlessly, and efficiently delivering facts and well put together opinion for added flavor.

[@georgestratikopoulos2089]

Give the sheep the Rolex... I'll take the GS hands down! Technology, character & Original. Thank you for the amazing watch review.

[@fluffyfreak505]

Grand Seiko for sure. Even though I do want a birth year Datejust.

[@the1916companywatchreviews]

Grand Seiko is awesome! We also understand the importance of a birth year Datejust! Thanks for taking the time to watch and give your feedback! - WatchBox Team

[@wilsonton841]

GS needs to make a 36-38mm Snowflake to compete with the classic Datejust 36. Many of us are not into the big watch trend.

[@zouki42]

Or at least 39 instead of 41

[@jensonank2409]

The snowflake looks great but not on my pathetic wrists

[@JuanDelaCruz-qt5ok]

They had the discontinued Seikolex or SNXJxxx Seiko 5s series.

[@A_Dude_And_His_Watch78]

@@zouki42 there are plenty 37 and 39 mm grand seikos

[@brett2396]

@@A_Dude_And_His_Watch78 most are older, quartz or super expensive. Not a lot of options there

[@taytzuleong5584]

I'll take the GS over the Rolex any day although both are superior in their own ways. I am more towards the articulate finishing, dial & caliber superiority. In conclusion, I go with the GS to impress myself :)

[@the1916companywatchreviews]

Point taken, GS for Tay! - WatchBox Team

[@davem.2788]

Purchased my Grand Seiko Snowflake a month ago and LOVE IT. The dial is magnificent, I enjoy the light feel of the titanium, and just feel that it is a beautiful and well made watch! Great review! Please review Bell and Ross next!

[@the1916companywatchreviews]

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[@davidcraig2463]

The correct answer is that you need both. They scratch a different itch. Rolex strokes my ego. Grand Seiko is a work of art. I have the Grand Seiko seasons spring and it is the nicest watch I've ever owned. But it doesnt give the same feeling when you wear it. Maybe I'm just superficial 🤣

[@theguardian3431]

What the hell. I think the narrator just sold me on both watches. Splendid job, man!

[@the1916companywatchreviews]

Thanks for watching! - Team WatchBox

[@d.stiefel869]

“The Narrator”..... Smh 🤦‍♂️ It’s Tim Mosso and he’s a legend!

[@anthonyl7519]

both masterpieces

[@LuciferArc1]

Im torn between the cherry blossom dial and the snowflake. Both are stunning. One day I will own one

[@phantomphotography7392]

Just got the sbga413 (cherry blossom)

[@tkloo6091]

Both are great. Prefer the Rolex as the resale value is better.

[@VmanStudioz]

My wife has the exact Datejust 41 with the dark gray color. However, I've decided to add the Snowflake into the collection as this beautiful handcrafted piece of art incorporates decades of cutting edge science into an icon that simply defines modern watchmaking as it should be. I doubt that Grand Seiko could ever mass-produce this watch to level that Rolex does, nor should they. In the end, Grand Seiko delivers both Art and Science, while Rolex deliviers old science with modern updates at best.

[@mrt2760]

Both lovely watches but Datejust all day for me, it looks cleaner and the bracelet is much better than GS’s offerings to my eye. The finish on the GS is unreal though

[@chadchambliss4949]

I would take the GS if I had to choose between the two but would love either one of them.

[@okboomer1340]

14:55 and just one breath...we’ll done sir...we’ll done.

[@ayoungtricknamedjim5498]

There is simply nothing one can purchase from *any* other manufacturer that compares to the value that GS offers for the price. It's absurd they are giving us the snowflake for a sub $6k price.

[@yasukats]

Tim’s comments on both watches are entirely spot on, except that in reality you cannot decide “this is my only choice” but can only decide “this is the one I would get first.” I own a Datejust 16220 and a GS SBGE013, among which I got the DJ first. If I were to decide this time, I would again choose the DJ41 first mainly due to the lume and the upgraded jubilee bracelet, even though I know I can't live without unparalleled utility of a Spring Drive.

[@the1916companywatchreviews]

"Both" is a viable answer. I'd be quite happy to add both over time, and for the sake of variety, I'd buy the Rolex with a dark dial. Best, Tim

[@yasukats]

@@the1916companywatchreviews Totally agreed with your choices. My Datejust is with a white dial whereas the GS SD is black!

[@OverTheTop77]

11:50 - 12:07 - You made a great point.

[@markvii7915]

i have Snowflake. Yes. I love the shape and size.😌

[@the1916companywatchreviews]

Thanks for your input, may you wear your Snowflake in the best of health! - WatchBox Team

[@graemearmstead9237]

I Have had a GS for 5 years and every time I put it on I'm amazed by it's perfect finish and exquisite attention to detail. The GS makes my friends Rolexes look like nice mass produced watches. Rolexes remind me of Volkswagens.

[@chawenhalo0089]

No no no, you got that all wrong! Its an Audi (ie: a VW for badge snobs. For info Audi is VW Group 28% of sales but 40+% of profits).

[@machtschnell7452]

An excellent comprehensive and fact-filled review. Your presentation is spot on. I don't know what else to say to compliment you.

[@syedhussain6031]

Grand Seiko Snowflake spring drive is full features, very beautiful stylish watch with newest technology " Spring Drive", and this is future watch not vintage like Rolex. Also, high quality watch with better price. If you want to empress others buy Rolex and if you want to enjoy yourself then buy GS.

[@sanjsharma9903]

Both are great watches Grand Sieko stands out more for me it's more rarer and I think it will be a collectors watch in the future.

[@dgdave2673]

Suggestion: can you make sure whenever comparing two or more watches, they are all set at the same second hand setting? Hate to see one watch few seconds ahead or behind the other. I would set it the accurate atomic time. It also becomes a great reference for the watches themselves and we can appreciate the moving of the seconds hand in tandem.

[@Dylanm94]

If this guy spoke like a human this video would have been 3 hours long.

[@ayoungtricknamedjim5498]

Autism is still humanism.

[@HenryDarr]

You can also enjoy spring drive in Credor luxury time pieces.

[@danielmartini3229]

plugs instead of screws is not a cost cutting decision, but rather, titanium is too soft to thread

[@marcusprice3199]

Yes, I was surprised at that remark too.

[@A-FrameWedge]

Many racing motorcycles use titanium screws, don’t see why they couldn’t use them with the band.

[@sarmadislamictv8433]

Tim , dear sir , even if we are not in a mood to buy a watch, your magical commentary on any watch can force us buy one

[@Themanthatisi]

As soon as I heard you point out the GS has pin links, I was turned off. Pins on any watch over 1k is a no go for me. There is no excuse on a watch this expensive.

[@palashkale]

these watches are so beautiful.. that i can just look at them, for hours at an end...

[@Shadowman-1960]

Grand Seiko listens to their customers and responds quickly with a five year warranty and the SBGA407 Blue Snowflake with a stainless steel case.

[@akaChriss4L]

I would choose Grand Seiko. It's like a katana. Hand made with precision and care and love. Also I the spring drive system is a master piece!

[@Watch_your_Money]

For some reason and as much as I want to like the Seiko, I will always choose the Rolex.

[@BltchErica]

I actually like the thick bezel and the proportions of the Rolex, its looks make me think of a pretty, watertight oyster, obviously because of the way Rolex use the word "oyster" for everything, but I really love this water theme.

[@TheSexyoyster]

Snowflake is awesome but its to big for my wrist, I love 36-38mm cases. Btw I just bought my first Rolex 36mm 116234 on my 36th birthday.

[@perrycollier2989]

I would have to agree with you. Grand Seiko is the better of the two. Currently as of 2022 Grand Seiko has a five year warranty.

[@ba2724]

I'm glad you chose the GS. All day any day over the DJ (and I like the DJ a lot).

[@ZamboniBerlusconi]

Oh my god this guy is passionated. Subbed, great video

[@Hrethgir]

Didn't know the Rolex steel was high nickel content. I have a nickel allergy I developed after wearing a sterling silver ring for a few years, so this is some very important information to know.

[@TheVellaterra]

The GS sweeper is blue in colour. It was made this way by heating the stainless steel to give it the blue colour. It has not been painted.

[@69markkoh]

Thanks for the video, Tim. I was on the fence with this one until I saw your video. Went out to buy the Snowflake to commemorate the birth of my 2nd son two days ago. I must say, it is gorgeous! And the best thing is, you can buy it when you want it, no ridiculous queues / “sold out” replies like Rolex. I was actually looking for a white face watch, the Explorer II polar, but even that is sold out everywhere! That actually knocked some sense into me - after all, I have several rolexes including a 2007 sub, the Kermit, 1995 root beer, Batman, half-gold Black MOP Daytona (for my wife). I also have an AP Jumbo and ROO. In the end, I really think this GS snowflake completes my collection. Tops it off with cutting edge hybrid mech-quartz technology, and the level of detailing and finishing equal an AP. Thanks again, Tim! Trust that your channel is always my first and last place to go before I pull the trigger on any watch. Cheers! P.S. I wonder if you have come across the Gerald Genta Gefica Kilimanjaro Limited Edition (100 pieces) White Dial before? I have one, and I’m on the fence if I should sell it.

[@silverghost4206]

Do not sell it.. Down the line you will regret it... Trust me ......... Keep it..... Think about my words if you are feeling the urge to sell it.. I made a terrible mistake.... To where i did sell.... An it haunts me everyday.....

[@sealevelbear]

DJ 41 for me!

[@gioc610]

Grand seiko for the win. If the names were swapped this would be a blow out.

[@MattH-wg7ou]

I love that the thumbnail is what you start with. Also goodness the Rolex second hand looks jumpy when contrasted with the GS super smooth second hand! Id still prefer the DJ personally. But wow is there a better bracelet than the Presidential? The main reason I prefer a DD over a DJ with a fluted bezel, which I also prefer.

[@vukotabrajovic5988]

Two absolutely stunning watches, thanks for this great and very informative video. GS is simply amazing, the Spring Drive movement is just the beginning of its advantages that continue all the way to material used for the case and that spectacular Zaratsu polishing...I like this DJ very much, but it simply doesn't stand a chance when compared to the magnificent Snowflake! 👍👍

[@fitforfreelance]

Awesome side by side comparison and facts, thanks!

[@thenickel8282]

I bought my wife a 26mm datejust on the oyster braclet. She has allergies to cheap or high nickel metals so she always needs stainless steel like for her apple watch. She wore the rolex for 3 days and now she has hives all around her wrist because rolex uses high nickel steel instead of 316l stainless steel like just about every other manufaturer. Why does nobody talk about this? So many people have nickel allergies.

[@jackserious3282]

That white Rolex Datejust is beautiful! What a classic!

[@mrlong6267]

That GS bracelet looks like my Speedmaster’s bracelet

[@Pulsonar]

Knowledgeable, eloquent, lucid and well rehearsed, Tim is a master of clear and precise oral communication. I just wish he’d slow down a bit, even if it means a vid length increase by 50%. He sounds almost mechanical and monotonous at this speech rate, interest in what he’s talking about starts to wax and wane after a while.

[@thegorn]

Bang on. The DJ fat bezel is brutal. If only the GS had a better bracelet. Uggh. Maybe I’ll just go Omega or inexpensive Longines.

[@domenicpellegrino4907]

Just got the GS spring drive Heritage with champagne dial. Really stunning piece!

[@jimg518]

Have to go with a Datejust 36 with steel bezel, oyster bracelet. I am biased as I had a Datejust before . Grand Seiko is great for sure , but I love the Datejust for the lume, the smaller available size and the cyclops for the date.

[@ocb05]

Not even close. Grand seiko is a piece of art This date just is good. But not on par with the snowflake.

[@michaellust]

Springdrive every day of the week. ❤️

[@mikekalingart8436]

My choice would also be the GRAND SEIKO, I myself have the GRAND SEIKO classic GMT - for about nine years now. Beautiful watch.

[@the1916companywatchreviews]

Awesome Mike, may you wear your Grand Seiko in the best of health! - WatchBox Team

[@stevenp7656]

The ideal watch from these two would be the GS watch with the Rolex bracelet, but we can only dream!

[@212Hasse]

This is fair and well done comparison of time piece type between two different brands and movements. Excellent Segment. Functions are the characteristics of a watch, I would choose GS Snowflake; and purchase Tudor North Flag for Black Dial. Agree, GS need to change it's waranty from 3 to 5 yrs.

[@rickjason215]

I have a Rolex and love it. I’m trying to figure out how I’m going to rationalize buying a GS. Maybe, someone could call my wife and tell her why I need the GS and can’t live without it. I just ordered a GS. Can’t wait to get it. None of the Jewelry stores in NY are open.

[@Heywoodthepeckerwood]

How is your Grand Seiko? Do you still love it after the honeymoon?

[@rickjason215]

@@Heywoodthepeckerwood You have to understand I posted over a year ago. I bought the Snowflake and then another Rolex. At that time, I was able to go into my AD and he had a few decent things displayed. For a time I was switching off 2 watches a day, to keep the dates right etc. For the last 6 months, the only watch, I wear is the Grand Seiko. It weighs nothing and is incredibly comfortable. I like it better than my Rolexes. After buying the Rolex, my AD offered me a Submariner. I should have taken it and flipped it, but I didn’t want to lay out over 10 grand. I already had lost my mind and bought 2 expensive watches. I am out of the Rolex fog. I really think Grand Seiko is the better watch.

[@Heywoodthepeckerwood]

@@rickjason215 thank you for your reply. Glad you love your grand seiko. I am trying to decide between the Snowflake and the Shosho.

[@rickjason215]

@@Heywoodthepeckerwood Hard choice. I was lucky and the bracelet fit me perfectly. Make sure you are comfortable. A KZbinr on the Timeless watch channel said he tried on a new Omega and the bracelet actually hurt. 7 grand and the watch hurts to wear? Hard to believe.

[@Heywoodthepeckerwood]

@@rickjason215 hey, just wanted to let you know. I just ordered a snowflake this morning.

[@misterfreeze6545]

The best way I can sum this up... If you like Japanese watches get the Grand Seiko. If you like Swiss, get the Rolex. Personally, I find too much similarity between high end and low end Seiko designs, (including the movements) It's the finishing that differs. As for Spring Drive? I find half quartz, half mechanical watches to be just plain wrong! But I have no problem with one or the the other.

[@Richie_P]

To be fair, if the fact that the Datejust is offered in other versions counts as an advantage, then the GS also is offered in different versions. Sure, the "snowflake" dial is only paired with the titanium case and spring drive movement. But you can get a nearly identical steel case with an assortment of not only dial options, but movement options, including spring drive GMT, mechanical, mechanical GMT, high-beat, etc, even high-end quartz if you want.

[@marcsgrower1]

Richie P How true. I have a GS quartz in black. Thirty seven mm. Classy dial with those shimmering silver hands.

[@hersheysquirt6526]

Seeing them next to each other, I'm surprised at how much better I like the Rolex, being that this isn't even a Rolex that I'd consider buying (I'm more of a steel sports guy). GS has all these cool individual aspects; the textured dial and that special, beautiful hand finish, and the spring drive movement. But when I look at these things as a whole, the Rolex just looks better. I'm not a fan of the radically different fonts on the GS and the power reserve indicator is always an eyesore for me. The Rolex may not have the fancy, hand finished dial, but everything on the dial is proportional and looks better- the logo, the font, etc... Also not a fan of the case proportions (too chunky for a dressier piece) while the Rolex is perfect on any wrist.

[@friscokid66]

That Snowflake is amazing, especially the smooth second hand.

[@jacc9061]

I have this Rolex and used to own a different GS. They are so difficult to compare: Swiss vs. Japanese design sensibilities. My Rolex is accurate to about 10 seconds a month which is nice for a purely mechanical timepiece and the 70hr power reserve comes in handy. The Rolex is so simple, sleek with pure “watch” DNA. I just love it but it think it comes down to a matter of personal taste vs objective benefits one way or another.

[@mtp1979]

Great video ! No wonder why I have choosed the snowflake 😍😍😍

[@Solrac924]

I can not only say I would choose the Grand Seiko, but I can also say I have already. Last month I purchased the Gold Snowflake (SBGA259). The texture of the dial is absolutely stunning. The golden logo and the sweep of the seconds hand is amazing. I can comfortably wear it all day too. The Grand Seiko is superior to the Rolex. These days, those who have a Rolex are posers.

[@WatchmakerErik]

And here I think the end links on the Grand Seiko look so much better than on the Rolex.

[@primecreator]

Generally I way prefer GS over Rolex, but this datejust looks very slick in white and the lume is a very big plus. Great video, awesome commentary as usual.

[@the1916companywatchreviews]

Thanks for your input! Glad to hear you appreciate both of the timepieces! - WatchBox Team

[@DonaldPerley]

The Snowflake has no lume, but some Grand Seikos do. You make your choice.

[@shun3262]

Very beautiful watches. Both watches are expensive, but I hope to get ahold of them someday.

[@UnavailableNotAgain]

If only the snowflake is smaller.

[@Wvk5zc]

Ikr

[@0xss]

Dont mind the size but i'd love to see a steel version with the 'grammar of design' case

[@seymores]

@@0xss SBGA299

[@Narrowcros]

Looks and feels a bit smaller on the wrist than an average 41 size sports watch.

[@airborneSGT]

@@0xss there are stainless versions of the Grand Seiko. I have the 41mm Snowflake, the 40mm SBGA375G, and the Submariner.

[@trueblue4l1f3]

Bought the snowflake this week. It's my 2nd watch, but my first high-end watch. Absolutely stunning watch and very happy with the purchase. My brother has that same exact datejust, beautiful watch as well. Great comparison video btw 👌

[@AutoGuys]

What are your thoughs on the grand seiko 9f Quartz 25th anni (steel and gold)? I cant make up my mind 9f or snowflake.. 😂

[@johnraba9322]

Without an examination of the movement, finishing, precision, and accuracy this review can prove nothing.

[@fire_watch7735]

Great review; however, IMHO the GS SBGA099 or SBGA299 are a much closer comparison. Also, this model case is 39mm with a protruding bezel that pushes over 40mm and it is accompanied by lume.