Rolex Patek AP watch shopping Grey Market - is the market down? how are prices / availability

[@BobbyDazzler888]

Thats why theres a shortage, this guy has them all

[@octaviograsia2831]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤤🤤🤤

[@BWen3]

Lol right. How about let the guys who really want to wear them but can’t afford 200% increases take some of those off your hands. 😈

[@phillipmeacham]

🤣

[@user-wz7jj7ot8b]

Ad dont sell to watch lovers they sell for more money too gray dealers

[@user-wz7jj7ot8b]

The market is fucked because or the ad amd grey dealers the ad sell only too gray dealers for more money amd gray dealers fucks the prices

[@BobbyDazzler888]

Supply hasnt changed but consumer confidence has. Also the newbie watch hoarders are exiting from the ‘hobby’

[@bdg5593]

Thank god

[@sarfaraz185]

Exactly this guy in the video just can't accept it and accusing it on supply lol

[@user-wz7jj7ot8b]

The market is fucked because or the ad amd grey dealers the ad sell only too gray dealers for more money amd gray dealers fucks the prices

[@RecordSisi]

Hence , the Channel's owner , the London Watch Collector , Watch Society and so on will exit .

[@d33763]

Stock markets are pulling back world wide. Interest rates are moving up, sentiment is turning negative, and recession may be coming. All luxury items will take a huge hit in this environment, the luxury watch market does not operate in a vacuum.

[@jact12]

When everyone says something will not crash, most likely it will. Just like housing and stock market, history usually repeats itself. Just buy what you like and enjoy, don’t look at it as an investment and you won’t lose sleep over it.

[@user-wy4zx3ir6d]

Very well said

[@user-wz7jj7ot8b]

The market is fucked because or the ad amd grey dealers the ad sell only too gray dealers for more money amd gray dealers fucks the prices

[@MichaelGazeley]

The way the watches are treated, handled, and not even being put on a tray, would put me off ever buying anything from this dealer. (The lady at the end, gripping a fist full of watches, are you kidding me?)

[@BobbyDazzler888]

‘Luxury’ treatment

[@Madeinlondon67]

Probably all Superclones 😂😂😂

[@charalamposmanthos260]

Congratulations to the respected dealer as he is talking really reasonably and well argued. Kudos from a Greek who probably will never have such a piece but loves learning about the art of fine watchmaking

[@kamillgran7902]

Really? Somebody who can pay 250k for a plastic watch is worried about money for kids vacation? 😂 the prices are coming down because the watch market bubble is the biggest scam in the history. A watch that retailed for 30k is selling for 250k ? Come on, even rappers and oil rich Arabs are not that stupid!

[@dmaul5190]

There must be at least 10million in watches on that desk! 😳

[@touristas9798]

I always like to see this guy presenting and talking.If I had the money I would love to go to his business and buy.

[@ericmorris5914]

Better analysis than most North American “dealers”. Thanks for the video!

[@roger5621981]

Agree…. He made it very simple to understand.

[@panaceiasuberes6464]

What's happening is that the scalpers are taping out: they don't have resources to keep playing the game on a squeeze so they go and get a job as a realtor or something.

[@TheDubaiExpat]

xD

[@miketorre16]

Rolex's are the nicest looking watches. RMs not so much.

[@bber45]

Well the GM is crashing here in the US. GM's aren't buying anymore hot watches and they already are slashing prices. What's crazier is that all those "hard to get" stainless steel sports model have magically popped up. Subs, Nautilus, Root beers, Royal Oaks, etc... I think it will continue to crash especially when the Recession hits here in the US and if inflation hits 10%.

[@singaporewatchcollector6262]

Yes the common man who can’t afford to hold on to watches and fly by night dealers are facing pressure and dumping it at cheaper prices. Then people with the real money will scoop them up. Very nice

[@BobbyDazzler888]

@@singaporewatchcollector6262 lets see who is scooping and how long the scooping will take place. They cant keep scooping forever

[@singaporewatchcollector6262]

@@BobbyDazzler888 dealers and collectors with money will scoop. Just scooped a few myself

[@bradlamrs]

These watches hedges inflation I think, wouldn’t the demand go up if inflation goes up?

[@fredob43]

Who in their right mind would buy any watch on the grey market. I have looked at their prices and they are more expensive than the normal market.

[@patrickjean-philippe7679]

I believe that after the coronavirus restrictions, people are spending their money elsewhere. The Russian / Ukraine market was diverted which led to extra inventory availability. In any case, similarly to the stock, currency and cryptocurrencies markets, the prices cannot go up indefinitely. It's funny I have found that watches are more expensive in Dubai than in Europe (tax free).

[@mr.thinkpositive9962]

The kind of watches he mostly deals in are not for the average or above average watch collector. These watches are for very rich people. The ultra rich watch collectors will always have money & so his target market is not much affected by global conditions in my opinion. If your net worth is $100,000,000 or $500,000,000 are you still going to buy the Richard Mille for $300,000? I think so.

[@octaviograsia2831]

So true… all his watches to sell for all the rich Arabs

[@2011blueman]

The ultra rich are actually very affected by the US Fed's raising of interest rates and the subsequent drop in the stock market. The Fed is going to continue to raise interest rates this summer to stop inflation, and the stock market will continue to drop. The US is likely to enter a recession, and that will definitely affect the wealthy and the prices of these watches.

[@zgfvavw3037]

@@2011blueman he is not talking about the rich, but the really rich.people who would buy an one million watch. Not a 50k Rolex types

[@2011blueman]

@@zgfvavw3037 So am I, a 50K rolex buyer is often an employee (i.e. doctor, lawyer, etc.), and generally aren't affected by interest rate increases unless they're a business owner. The ultra wealthy generally have most of the capital in the stock market in the companies they founded and are heavily affected by interest rates and market conditions. If you think a guy worth $100 million plus is thinking about buying a RM right now with the stock market taking a dive as interest rates go up, you're sorely mistaken.

[@mr.thinkpositive9962]

@@2011blueman So you’re saying that a person like Mark Wahlberg, John Mayer, JayZ, Floyd Mayweather, or Christiano Ronaldo will hold off on a watch purchase because the stock market is down? I think they will buy whatever they want regardless. It’s the average or above average person that will hold off on that Rolex purchase.

[@jdc3636]

Dream on this is temporary. The price will not go backup, we are in war and recession, and luxury watches are the last thing in peoples mind to buy now.

[@Jaysun1]

There are only so many extremely wealthy individuals in the world who are willing to pay 5x's to 10x's over msrp for a watch from a non authorized dealer. The prices will eventually come down a bit, and then the people who overpaid who aren't wealthy will start to panic and sell their watches. The watch world will eventually run out of suckers.

[@alfonsodiaz1677]

Can't wait!

[@WestCoastAce27]

Dubai is a different world though and not as affected as US, EU, CHN, JPN. Got back from my annual trip; so much wealth. Remember they provide financial services for their oil rich neighbors. Friends in real estate say prices at the high end still going up.

[@strelciii]

@@WestCoastAce27 just because they showing there wealth with nosense doenst mean they are richer then the people in the west.

[@abdallaalali6236]

With all due respect, this guy does not understand basic economic. Market is going down, price of oil is going up, FED is raising interest rate and people are now saving money instead of spending them on luxury items, you need to understand consumer behavior and monetary policy which limits the money supply in the market. Prices will go down but now one knows by how much. But end users are not in place to go and spend their money on watches. They have important things to care about during crisis times. In the same time, supply of watches will increase and with less buyers prices will go down even further. 2022-2023 will be a very hard years.

[@WestCoastAce27]

Mostly agree. Although some industries will not be affected (unless it’s not a recession and goes to full depression in which case all bets are off) and there are always people advancing in their careers looking to reward themselves. But definitely not the crazy buying we’ve been seeing. Grey prices will come down; not sure how much. I’m so disgusted with what they’ve done to the watch industry, even if they came down to 1 or 2k over MSRP for the sport models I’m interested in, still not sure I’d buy.

[@watchtherapy1068]

I don't think his network of client care, they are ultra high net worth

[@walther9161]

When less people are flashing their cool watches in the office and they’re staying home to work… that’ll be hard on mid-level brands.

[@d33763]

Luxury items and speculative assets(tech stocks, art, high end real estate, etc) thrive in a low interest environment. A high interest rate environment will tank all these assets, just take a look at FAANG stocks.

[@d33763]

@@watchtherapy1068 Yes, but if they just lost 20% of their net worth from US equities, buying a RM for $500k is not quite a top priority.

[@viperviperpiro]

i am out! sold all my RMs and Rolex...AP and Patek... better sell before tonnes of pressure crashes on us.

[@JP600LT]

Happy I waited. Just started buying again and saved a ton of money from a year ago.

[@Saints-Forever]

This Arab dealer it seem is only hoarding those high-end limited edition so he can sale them at super inflated prices to those super rich buyers who can’t even get them from the AD with their profile, hence his market is niche and his assets is not effected by the soft watch market now. He kept saying where can you find this in the market - that says it all as this does not reflect on the current mass watch market.

[@mr.sandman7deuce]

Buy a watch because you like it not because of the hype.

[@pablozorro3507]

The answer to “How many of these you find in the market?” is none as this very smart gentleman of LS has them all.

[@charlestillery6327]

I agree 100%.i think my BGF got my Birthday gift last yr a 6104G timepiece there. Great TP.

[@AF1pice]

This is where the big boyz play. He is right on point. The conditions affecting the market is correct. No major crash. All the free dollars that the gov’t was giving away is stopping. The interest rate is going up. China on lock down. Once this stabilize summer is over back at it again. Buy in a month or so. You cannot find watches still in the AD so he is right. G8 video content.

[@WestCoastAce27]

Sorry, this is going to last longer than 3-4 months.

[@andreac1441]

Hello, what do you think of the Vacheron Overseas 4500V or 4300V Ultra-thin Perpetual Calendar, can it be an alternative to AP or PP? in your opinion is it a good investment?

[@christianfrech6993]

the desk is amazing!!!!! and the arabic hospitality is world famous, amazin as well! wish you all the success in the world, sir! Inshallah

[@bkatbamna]

Interesting discussion. 19:19 I wouldn't take anything endorsed by Spike Lee if they paid me to take it.

[@NP-yi5vk]

Great video. Great insights on the current watch state. Now we wait and see what happens to world in next few months which includes stocks, homes, cars and watches. With markets turning I do not think this is just a “summer holiday” issues. As he mentioned the small dealers, flippers will be priced out of the market with dropping prices leaving some watches at the AD to purchase (Rolex). Would love to see other watches that luxury souq, other brands that are good value for money

[@WestCoastAce27]

I take no joy in it (because people are going to lose jobs and businesses) - but agree. 8-12 months minimum. Probably more. War in UKR probably drags on; China zero Covid lockdowns (then looming real estate/debt bubble). Yen is losing value. Unless US and EU restart money printing.

[@itskoota]

@@WestCoastAce27 what country are you in?

[@keijiazum9282]

but the price is just too crazy the 16500 panda there is a 200% premium over retail and they are still in production. I think max premium on these are around 60-100% is normal

[@TheDubaiExpat]

hopefully I can get one at retail

[@d.stiefel869]

Wearing modern technology on the wrist and stone age clothing to go with it….makes sense. 🤦‍♂️

[@ayugoslav5554]

Racist

[@BobbyDazzler888]

I see some slight panic in his explanation, voice and fascial expression. Also i feel like he is reassuring himself on his own hoarding. Just the collection there on the table would have lost over a million if not millions in the recent price ‘adjustment’. Good luck!

[@realtoverland]

I couldn‘t see any of that tbh

[@singaporewatchcollector6262]

He would have bought it at a much lower price. And a million loss is nothing to the value on that table

[@BobbyDazzler888]

@@realtoverland some people have the gift.

[@BobbyDazzler888]

@@singaporewatchcollector6262 true. But if 1 million was nothing, i should ask for another million discount?

[@HarryJoiner]

i love the way you produced this, with the split screen. fantastic. THANKS.

[@Futokuko]

And we wonder why ADs don’t have stock…🤣🤦

[@watchcollectorglobal9166]

Fantastic store and video. Hope to visit them soon and see those watches.

[@rtakeyama5970]

By the way he should put a protective leather mat or something on the table not to scratch watches..against each other Dont you think?

[@talalfarooq432]

Dubai has some great collectors.

[@rockysahota1]

The new yellow gold green dial 40mm day date sold today in dealer chats for 130k. The market is going no where. Small correction and dealers are already buying models again at the new prices

[@spy7533]

In one word: INFLATION, right now there are better money alocation options then watches 😎 Market will go back to people who realy like watches. Cheers

[@allardvanderstarre5238]

richard mille is not my thing: i like patek calatrava (1960) so i puld be content with that...some discipline needed...(and some luck too)

[@hiepkim8650]

I am using Richard Mille RM11-03 white gold full diamond titanium watch and I am very satisfied

[@tommyg5891]

The watch market softening is more to do with an imminent crash in the financial market than just a seasonality.

[@chiquitachiquita5692]

So this 20 years old is analyzing the market and giving us lectures??

[@drewhoffman1461]

If I ever strike it rich I’m flying out to see this guy.

[@jameslynch5695]

Very insightful. Seems a very sound dealer. I will check him out when I’m next over in Dubai

[@Kingsman-1981]

Oh🤔 less production is expensive 😬?!!?

[@NavinC.S.]

The table tho❤ Respect your work Sir❤ Amazing video as usual❤

[@junaedijunaedi7722]

Indonesia harus ada undang2 tentang perdagangan tentang produk2 import. Hrs ada UU yg melarang penjualan barang2 palsu supaya konsumen indonesia tdk di rugikn. Krn byk sekali barang2 palsu di perjual belikn di indonesia.

[@abouda2008]

"how many of this you find on the market?" He should paint it on his wall

[@Arc1517]

“How many of deese you see in the market?”

[@MrJoshuapoon]

Are all these watches without original box band paper? (Just joking)

[@Gelker_kitter]

people just don't overpay to buy these watchs

[@DerVideoDon]

Great insights and analytics-GREETZ from Germany

[@babyshark3294]

I'm digging the VSF to be honest. Very good price range.

[@Ok-551]

I’ll never forget a guy pulling up to a pawn shop in a land cruiser and pulling off his Rolex as entered the shop. It will happen again, dealers don’t want to buy and hold here, so they are offering less.

[@marusloka2438]

Okay now October but the watch market still going 🔻🔻

[@rav008]

Nice collection I must come and see you when I am next in Dubai

[@notalkguitarampplug-insrev784]

Wow… how much in this safe? 100M?

[@adamhussin8571]

because no stock at AD. all watches is in grey market, users dont buy till the price decrease from grey market. grey market think they can controll the market price soon they realize the price is not increasing anymore, this is what we call supply and demand. demand is more for grey market. but no supply from AD to customers. this is what will happens when you Flip the price waiting for 200% margin profit. Price will crash deep soon just wait!

[@Twonx88]

Hi! I really like your videos, thanks for uploading! did you ever considering doing a private collection video with him and ask him how he as a professional dealer would go about this?

[@TheDubaiExpat]

good idea :)

[@samkhan76]

How can I see this dealer when I am in Dubai? Is there a store front?

[@leonplanken5506]

Luxury souq

[@TheDubaiExpat]

luxurysouq.com

[@bigupthebeast]

My Chrono 24 potfolio is still rising they are the best barometer if you read the Ts and Cs how they price you will draw comfort

[@allardvanderstarre5238]

i guess the market will regulate itself...theremightbea slight correction ou there

[@buzzbatra3]

Hyped holographic

[@carycoller3140]

I could hang out at that desk for hours 😍.

[@stvlog2569]

How do I order

[@SalMightyOne]

Could you please get an extra mic for the person who're you talking to?

[@electricjoshaloo]

They grey market prices are out of control..that's why a downturn is inevitable. It's getting ridiculous the prices for most of these watches and no way it can be sustained or justified.

[@sapritanand470]

Man i was waiting for your video

[@londonman8688]

clealry dealers have no incentive in getting watch prices higher

[@clawhammer7]

it's overly inflated. those holding plenty of inventory will eventually drop prices because of lower demand and there you go, everyone follows. benefits the "real" watch collectors rather than scalpers.

[@meerakjaved4967]

How do I can receive any?

[@donald1983]

where is this? awesome stock

[@coolriderkumar3854]

Hahaha it had to happen, no watches were sold in the dealerships and all the watches manufactured made their way to grey market. There are thousands of watches on grey market but hardly any buyers. It's all just hype and this had to happen

[@menaseven9093]

Awesome luxury watch video, I like the AP and Patek Philippe watches.

[@marshalpratama7338]

what is the store name? i will visit there

[@Dr.Sheffield]

He say there is no risk try to sale him your watches and you will know the real definition of skin you alive 😅

[@PerpetualTimeLtd]

What a fantastic clip with excellent info. Very much enjoyed this video 👍👍

[@MateoGioovaPiria]

👊🏻 Estupendo 💎⌚️

[@arthshah06]

I would Prefer Buying Fake Rm Becoz Rm is a Brand Which don’t have any history even Not a Hand crafted Movement But if you see Patek and Ap no one can Replicate it

[@jamesdiamond820]

The flippers are doing a hit and run selling before they take a big hit

[@mirkomarko3823]

This RM watches looks like watches from Alibaba

[@KhaledAmr]

How much the AP Ukraine edition, I love it

[@TheDubaiExpat]

oh not sure, best to check with luxury souq team

[@AmunRa2024]

Owning just one of them would make me one Happy Pappi😍

[@ruuhmusic]

“How many of these you find in the market” shot every time he says it 😂

[@TheDubaiExpat]

xD

[@zgfvavw3037]

But he is true, he doesn’t have your regular AP or Rolex Daytona. He has the extreme rare pieces which are much more crisis resistant. I do not like them but that is a different discussion… yuck RMs

[@DonAl9114]

Great Collection. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@ToulKorkMan]

I would assume the market is going down judging by the amount of watches he has left in stock.

[@payperview714]

Do you know what his average stocking levels are?

[@ToulKorkMan]

@@payperview714 I don't know but I've never seen any reseller has that many RMs in stock. Even the big name resellers. The RMs are selling atleast triple msrp. I spoke with the official RM ad the other day and they are trying to fight this issue.

[@bahchekng5157]

Nice video 👏 👍

[@247geex]

Fantastic content 👍

[@spyder_man]

I do hope prices drop like a stone, not buying in 2022 is sensible.

[@Romio666]

Well said. Excellent watches and excellent video 👍👍. Keep your watches guys wear them and enjoy.

[@s3lv14selfia6]

Hahaha koleksi nya keren habi ali

[@DollAr254-44]

Volatile is key in every market

[@brettcrf]

Awesome watches

[@cedricspies6293]

Hello Niko interesting vidéo Ty

[@londonman8688]

if the watches he has are so amazing what does he still have them for sale ?

[@TheDubaiExpat]

Because he also wants big money for them. Not many can afford that.

[@BobbyDazzler888]

Because he is a flipper dealer

[@colinjosling2108]

Great video

[@AhsanAli-tr1ie]

RM and AP Ring kings🤩

[@LUV2T8KU]

Nice watch collection⌚️ 👌

[@user-wz7jj7ot8b]

The market is fucked because or the ad amd grey dealers the ad sell only too gray dealers for more money amd gray dealers fucks the prices