Rolls Royce Vs General Electric - Boeing 787 Engine Options Explained

[@User007RD]

Thank you for this video! I was stuck on which engine to choose for my 787

[@bowler7922]

😅

[@winwinniewinfield]

Did you decide ? Cash or credit ?

[@User007RD]

@@winwinniewinfield i went with the GE one. They had a good offer of 3500 months financing 0.99% APR

[@shaynemichaelangelopeter4964]

@@User007RD great, I would go for that too

[@grantjohnson3736]

Airlines aren’t mixing things up with their engine choice. Most airlines are shifting to GE engines because they are sick of the problems with the Rollers.

[@harstoft]

On the 787. A350 and A330neo are RR exclusive.

[@blykan]

​​@@harstoftRR isn't exclusive for 787 engines. Recently Thai is bought 787 with GEnX engines.

[@TheChiefEng]

The Rolls XWB-84 engines on the A-350-900 are extremely reliable and economical. The new GE engines on the 777-X have had a string of issues. They should have been sorted out now but it's hard to know until after the 777-X planes actually start flying commercially.

[@mh12-47]

​@@TheChiefEngthey had an issue with the compressors around 3yrs which have now been sorted out.

[@artrandy]

You wait until the problem with powdered metal affect engines made by GE............

[@TechTac123]

Next do this for the a320neo

[@Ayden2008]

I just love the 787 in general

[@harstoft]

RR messed up with the Trent 1000. Airlines love the Trent XWB-84. The XWB-97 will show its pedigree soon

[@eamonahern7495]

I was aware that the type operated with both engines because of being a regular viewer of Simple Flying and Long Haul. You can kind of pick up on these things even if the information isn't always a direct feature of the content. I suspect BA chose Rolls Royce because it's a British brand.

[@gregsmith3410]

I'm sure customers still prefer a choice when it comes to selecting a powerplant for their fleet. Not many customers are undecided on their 787 engines selection. Hopefully, Rolls can get some new customers for future orders..

[@CheapBastard1988]

Maybe they could if they compared better in the form of reliability and availability. The GEnx-1B really isn't bulletproof (especially on the 787-10 where it still tends to burn the HPT over time), but it compares very well to the Trent-1000. GE also gives their customers more freedom in where they want their engines serviced and overhauled. The latter is beneficial for customers with their own MRO. The RR engine is actually cheaper when considering the initial purchase, but for many customers, it's more expensive in the long run even if they were just as reliable.

[@deansicking6257]

I mean Rolls Royce is chilling with the a350

[@Adrenaline_chaser]

I hope not. They are already making their bucks with the a350's engines, which are exclusively Rolls Royce. I'm quite concerned about this new trend of "exclusivity of engines" on newer planes and the lack of competition that follows this. So I hope for GE to stay strong cause ultimately competition is good for all of us consumers.

[@artrandy]

@@Adrenaline_chaser GE had their opportunity to power the original A350, but blew it by declining to power the A350-1000 variant when it was revamped. From that moment Airbus knew they were in Boeing's pocket and went with RR. Now the B777X has been delayed for so long, and the A350 programme such an amazing success, its no wonder GE want some of the A350 action, but with Rolls having an exclusive until 2030, and upgrades promised before then, plus developments from the UltraFan being used for the Trents further down the line, I expect RR to stay ahead of GE and for Airbus to stick with them. And Boeing rejected RR's approach on the B777X. Im sure that GE was pleased at the time, but now they must be cursing their dependence on Boeing. That's life............

[@GeeBoggs]

Fascinating! Nicely produced and edited. I was unaware all A350's were equipped with the RR Trent.

[@John-nc4bl]

GE engines will be available for the A350 in the future.

[@artrandy]

@@John-nc4bl But by then Airbus wont need them. RR has an exclusive until 2030, and before then the XWB engine upgrades are due, and by the end of the decade the RR UltraFan will have diverted new technology to hopefully Neo the programme. Its only American carriers who need American engines, for home politics, the rest of the world celebrate free trade and are more than happy with their extra quiet and extra economical RR Trent XWBs. The A350 order books are already stretched, so Airbus doesn't have to rock the boat with RR, nor feel the need to spend millions of dollars to help GE to make the programme a success. Its already a great success, and unlike the B787, a money spinner since 2019. GE can whistle all they like, they rejected powering the A350-1000 in the first place, and now Airbus can just ignore them, politely of course....😀😀....

[@elijahcollins9400]

ANA cocked things up multiple times when selecting engines... PW for 772 & 773, RR for 787, and most recently PW for A320neos🤣 Back in March only 2 of its 22 A321neos were flying, and today the number is 4 (yes, 18 of them are still grounded😂).

[@elijahcollins9400]

I don't know how they did that, but they seemed to have a talent in finding the worst engine😇

[@EpicThe112]

Actually there are general electric next generation versions of B787s that NH has however you won't find them International domestically in Japan although they have the range to do Tokyo to Manila

[@khakiswag]

GE is proving to be the Toyota of turbofans when it comes to reliability and dependability.

[@artrandy]

Unless of course the powdered metal problem catches up with the company..........

[@kevinreihan]

Next a320 neo CFM Leap vs PW1000g

[@hungo7720]

The state-of-the-art 787 is an engineering marvel. It never ceases to amaze me how comfortable and stunningly beautiful this aircraft is especially on long-haul trans-continental routes. The most nifty feature of the 787 is the dimmable window that gives just perfect lighting to the seat.

[@kingsharkoon]

Thanks for the ad, Boeing PR guy. The 787 is horrible and I try to avoid it as a regular Eco flier as the 3-3-3 seating is way too small for a 188cm person like me with a broader than average shoulders. Can't sit in it comfy for 6 hours... Even the loud ass 77W is better. The A350 is the best model along with the 2-4-2 A330neos.

[@hungo7720]

@@kingsharkoon not a Boeing sycophant at all. May be your above-average height intertwined with the carrier's seating configuration really made those flights ordeal. I have actually flown on Japan Airlines 787 from Tokyo to LA and it went just fine. I reckon you should factor in what airlines you are flying with to assess everything compellingly.

[@VhamonDaGoat]

@@hungo7720Tbf JAL uses a 2-4-2 economy configuration which is what the Dreamliner was made for, sadly some airlines do try to cramp in as much seats as possible and therefore give it a 3-3-3 config

[@Charles-sn7zy]

​@@kingsharkoon thanks for the AB informercial...as well ...

[@djdelarosa25]

Thanks ChatGPT

[@grantjohnson3736]

Air NZ have had aircraft grounded for years, due to ongoing problems with their Rolls Royce engines. Still don’t have all their B787 fleet in the air.

[@Lonelyplanet3]

Is different certification required for each engine.

[@flyebos]

Durability issues is quite the understatement. BA and Virgin dermate their RR to 85% power in order to get any normale engine life out of them.

[@jamesalarkin1795]

I seem to recall during the 787 early development , Boeing said the engines could be changed to the other engine RR to GE. GE to RR after delivery ,is this a face and has it happened. 48 year retired AMT

[@desertmodern7638]

Aviation International News reported in 2007 that this actually happened when early development aircraft with RR engines were changed to GE engines for delivery. The aircraft is reportedly capable of accepting the change, but the pylon-to-wing mount must be changed as well due to the differing weight distributions of the engines.

[@ricahrdb]

Are there other manufacturers that could potentially deliver 787 capable engines? Safran/CFM and P&W for example?

[@ApfelmannYT]

i believe Safran is already part of the GEnX program, as they designed the FADEC unit

[@doughboi007]

Can't wait for the 777x videos

[@malvinuku7878]

I believe that avianca failed to take -9 order as the engines opted on the aircraft can’t take off from Bogotá with a full load

[@randomwaffler]

the 787 is a very underpowered aircraft in comparison to the a350, so it does make sense

[@Rasscasse]

Interesting video SF. 👍

[@deltafox757]

RR > GE

[@CaptainDangeax]

Either RR or GE, I fly neither of them because it's Boeing

[@rscott2247]

I suppose there are pros & cons of jetliner makers to offer only one engine brand. However the 787 good firm order book could be because of having the choice option for airlines ?

[@MrSchwabentier]

No, there are different reasons for that. The 787 is smaller (more flexible) and cheaper than the A350. And it was available earlier. Those are the main reasons for the larger number of orders. Not the fact that there is a choice between engines

[@breathtakingblue]

Aircraft should always have the optio of two engines. Look at the mess with the PW GTF and imagine if that was the sole engine available on the A320. Egyptair have or are selling their entire fleer of the Air us A220 due to reliability issues with the engine.

[@stevenholt1867]

No Pratt & Whitney. Also TUI opted for GEnx.

[@seagullsbtn]

How much longer can Airbus avoid GE engines in the A350?

[@paulroling1781]

It is the other way round. GE refused the option to build and engine for the A350, as it would compete with the 777-300ER, on which theyhave a monopoly.

[@Rasscasse]

I am guessing that they would like to offer an American engine when/if they build their 350 Neo, as it would be more attractive to American based airlines and some others too.

[@mandandi]

@@paulroling1781 They must kicking themselves now that the A350 has received over 1000 orders and the 777 production has almost stopped, while the 777x has fewer orders. They could be getting a share of the A350 engine market, and possibly beating RR at it.

[@artrandy]

Forever. RR has an exclusive until 2030, and upgrades before then on all Trents, including the XWB. After that, RR will transfer tech from the UltraFan for a Neo version. The A350 is a sellout, soon there will be no delivery slots before 2030, Airbus can't make them fast enough, so why would they wish to go to the expense of certificating an engine option for GE, when its selling right across the world. The A350 proves that commercial widebodies don't have to sell in the US to be successful (I tip my hat to the folks at Delta though), just because US carriers don't believe in free trade. BTW, there are rumours that AA are about to reorder the A350, and United still have it on order. Perhaps that latter order might become serious after the events at Boeing. That company could drain any CEO's loyalty, even a US airline executive....

[@whatdafok.h1737]

​@@mandandithe 777 reached the 2000 orders mark in 2018 with nearly 600 orders remaining, the 350 is at 1300 with 700 remaining and the 787 is at 2000 orders (including 1200 for the -9 alone) with 700 orders remaining. The 777x for its part 500 orders (knowing that it is an advanced variant of the old 777) which is very good for an aircraft not used in commercial service, in comparison with the 787 (with the record for the greatest number of orders before a marketing) was at ~800 orders even though it was a "clean sheet". So you have to think and research before speaking :)

[@rogeriogomes5655]

Rolls Royce Trent 1000 💜😍

[@fotismpalopitas7196]

I really wonder among A350 and 787 which aircraft is better to fly with it??

[@kkrsnn5632]

Both are relatively quiet inside. It comes down to personal preferences.

[@fotismpalopitas7196]

@@kkrsnn5632 It’s true but i don’t know in terms of safety if the 787 is ok?? I mean that Boeing suffers from many issues in the last decade.

[@whatdafok.h1737]

The dreamliner is technically the safest plane in the world actually with no fatal incident and no fuselage lose (sorry for my bad english I'm French 😅) ​@fotismpalopitas7196

[@randomwaffler]

a350 has a wider fuselage, so you get wider seats with the same configuration, plus its dimmable windows get darker than the 787

[@whatdafok.h1737]

@@randomwaffler it depends on the configuration of 1 and 2 the option of portholes with electrochromic functionality is an option in the 350 (they are not present in all the a350s in addition to being not very popular with the general public) and 3 the 787 is quieter than the 350

[@briandagnall1843]

Is it possible to use one of each engines on the same aircraft?

[@kingsharkoon]

No, that doesn't work.

[@ricahrdb]

Not sure why anyone would want that. And I would imagine it being almost impossible because you would need double the instrumentation for monitoring and controlling the engines.

[@AnotherPointOfView944]

Servicing nightmare.

[@desertmodern7638]

Possibly yes. During development it was stated the aircraft could be switched later to the alternate engine type, and could even be flown with one of each. I suspect some commenters will vehemently dismiss such an assertion, but it was reported at the time via respected sources. Aviation International News reported in 2007 that an engine manufacturer swap does require the pylon-to-wing mounting point to change, adding cost to the process.

[@Uranium-238-Eater]

Question 1: Which engine option did Emirates go for? Question 2: Is Rolls Royce really that bad. Didn't they fix the issues they had with the engines during Covid?

[@John-nc4bl]

RR still not fixed.

[@eastpeak74]

In answer to your 2nd question. No, far from it. We ( Air NZ, I’m a kiwi ) have 14 787’s. All RR powered as we don’t have the -10’s yet. 3 are grounded as RR cannot supply either parts or replacement engines. So sadly no, nowhere near fixed.

[@Uranium-238-Eater]

@@eastpeak74 Cries in the downfall of British industry.

[@edwardwilcox6606]

So many giving false info on RR Trent 1000 which is fixed & has had many orders since & that was 4 years ago ( Sad GE fanboys to blame ). Unfortunately there are now parts shortages affecting all the engine manufacterers including GEnx & GE90 with many grounded planes around thw world. RR produce the worlds most efficient turbine built so far & that`s the Trent XWB on the A350. RR are also going to re-engine the B52 bomber. They supply Trent 7000 on the A330Neo which is a bleed-air version of T-1000 & is doing well on sales too, so RR are doing better than ok.

[@AkashKumar-wr7fe]

General Electric said it's developing an engine option for the a350 ..

[@harstoft]

Maybe for a A350neo. The certification costs mean it’s not worth it on the current airframe.

[@artrandy]

Why would Airbus want it? RR has an exclusive until 2030, and upgrades are due before then. After that, RR are transfering technology from their UltraFan to all the Trents, including a Neo version of the A350, so why would Airbus wish to upset RR when they're literally selling out of this aircraft. Very soon, there will be no delivery slots before 2030, so Airbus does not need the added expense of a pointless engine option. GE might have the ambition to power the A350, but they can whistle in the dark. Airbus doesn't need the US market either, and its American carriers who want US engines because its Americans who don't believe in free trade. GE will just have to stick with Boeing...😀😀...

[@edwardwilcox6606]

Nonsense.

[@briandagnall1843]

it's only ignition and throttle preferable to waiting 7 months for RR parts.

[@aerotube7291]

Wow, 50 million hours and probably a handful of shutdowns

[@joedavison118]

Why not just have the 787-1, 787-2 and 787-3?

[@Spookycatface123]

Marketing

[@okay_then3337]

Airlines are getting fed up with with poor quality in the industry and are making their voices heard with their money. In this case many are flocking to the reliable GE option. Likewise many airlines are flocking to the CFM (GE) option for the a320 over Pratt& Whitney’s problematic GTF engines. On a larger scale, more airlines are choosing the a320 family over the 737 Max due to the constant issues with the latter. Rolls Royce is lucky they have are the exclusive engine for the a350 or they would be in real trouble. Also Boeing and Pratt& Whitney are lucky that Airbus and CFM can’t produce more of their respective products fast enough.

[@artrandy]

The A350 is the success it is, because of the combination of airframe and engines, so why would customers wish to invest in the potential powdered metal problems with the GENX, which the FAA fear will soon affect Boeing aircraft......

[@tornadoxt]

Which engine is more efficient.........GE9x or Trent 1000???.GE seems to be the bigger engine manufacturer.

[@edwardwilcox6606]

The worlds most efficient turbine is RR T-XWB on A350. Trent 1000 is an older engine so not so efficient. GE9X will be later gen than T-XWB so will most likely become the most efficient when it enters service.

[@MrSchwabentier]

Depends on how you define efficiency? Consumption per kN thrust? If you only take consumption as an absolute number obviously the GEnX is more efficient, but also much less powerful

[@edwardwilcox6606]

@@MrSchwabentier It`s well known Trent-1000 is the better engine for take-off up to cruise then GEnx takes over. Both these engines over the course of a mission are very evenly matched in efficiency. Trent-1000 is also the better performer at `hot & high` airports due to the efficiencies of the 3-spool design. I look forward to see if -1000 gets the UltraFan treatment before any of the other engines or whether T-XWB gets it first, probably down to AB or Boeings decisions to invest.

[@none941]

I'm a fan of Pratt & Whitney.

[@29ar3d10]

A geared turbofan?

[@EuropeanRailfanAlt]

That has issues in hot weather?

[@artrandy]

But not a shareholder I hope....😀😀....

[@rafe684]

Dont forget rolls royce engines almost cause first Qantas a380 to crash.

[@omerbinsaadat4973]

Favourite: GE -90 B Gold Standard in aircraft engine. Absolutely super performance.

[@jtwilliams8895]

Still looks like 5H-TCJ remains in Kuala Lumpur. Bummer

[@Rasscasse]

Interesting that Ana and Air NZ run both makes of engine.

[@John-nc4bl]

LATAM have switched to the GEnx for their future 787s.

[@eastpeak74]

We’ve had to switch ( Air NZ ) as 20% of our current RR powered fleet is grounded with engine issues causing all sorts of route cuts

[@ondrejkonopasek9363]

Well I was almost afraid I will learn some new informations here.... Luckily it didn happen. Like how different are these engines? and stuff like that

[@pesawatindonesia]

boeing 787

[@aeromtb2468]

why no P&W

[@MrSchwabentier]

Because too many options isn’t a good business for anyone.

[@paulsanderson9586]

No explanation why the GE might be better operationally than RR and vv; just relentless data on thrust figures and airlines

[@davidhunt3808]

General electric all day everyday!!

[@Tpr_1808]

A330, 767 and 747-400 are where it's at where they had 3 options

[@MrSchwabentier]

777 (the original versions) had 3 options too

[@drcornercorner8757]

RR​ trent1000 make​ so​ many AOG

[@pg41226]

I❤P&W

[@irtezananjee884]

Wow....

[@tylerdurden4006]

Weird, if you talk to boeing supporters who don't think boeings having problems all the time isn't really boeing having problems and they don't have choices in the engines they put on their planes and it's not their fault the engines blow up all the time. 🤦‍♂️🤣

[@MrSchwabentier]

They don’t build engines, so obviously it’s not their fault.

[@tylerdurden4006]

@MrSchwabentier I never said they build engines, I am smart enough to know their are multiple engine manufacturers though, many sell engines that do not blow up twice a week, they might cost more, but we all know boeing and safety and money right?

[@MrSchwabentier]

@@tylerdurden4006 so if Boeing doesn’t build engines what does Boeings safety record got to do with engines blowing up?

[@tylerdurden4006]

@@MrSchwabentier I believe I said it when they CAN buy ones that blow up but choose not to...no? You really didn't understand any of that? Lmfao murica!!!!!! 😂

[@neutronspdr]

GE is the only way to go, Rolls, Jaguars, and Range Rovers have one thing in common. They belong in the dumpster.

[@maxsaviation9512]

Personal opinion- the sound of the GE engine is terrible, it sounds like a hairdryer.

[@tony6633]

Rolls-Royce all the way i hate GE

[@tt5570]

Simple answer: if you don't want your aircrafts to be grounded, it's GE.. And the operators are shifting already.. Like they are shifting from Boeing to Airbus

[@gregcavarra4807]

That´s childish. The reason GE gets more orders is that it has twice the production capacity of RR and can more often offer better pricing. It´s always the price that makes the final decision however analysts like to talk of other things.

[@jasoneldridge4738]

You get what you pay for !

[@rafaelwilks]

​@@gregcavarra4807 don't forget that GE offers better quality, too 😎

[@artrandy]

@@rafaelwilks Let's see how well the B777X performs, I've just got a feeling that those engines will let it down. GE are making lots of promises about performance, but there is not one jot of evidence, because the type is not yet certificated and therefore there is zero data available for it in service..............

[@rafaelwilks]

@@artrandy considering the GE9X has been more thoroughly tested than any GE engine ever has, with the proven record of superiority of the GE90 and GEnx, we can see where this is going 😉 there was a time once in the 1990s when most people were sure that the GE90 was a failure 🤔

[@pinger201046]

We are talking engines here aren't we? I have lost confidence in Boeing as they are built by accountants. As for engines I will always favour Rolls Royce.

[@zachpackage]

You lost all credibility when you said “always favour RR”

[@John-nc4bl]

@@zachpackage GE engines are superior to RR engines.

[@artrandy]

@@zachpackage Once the B777X eventually goes into service, sometime in the second half of the decade, it'll be interesting to see how the GE9X holds up against the then upgraded RR XWB-97. GE are making all sorts of promises for their engine, but there is no sevice data available yet, so we'll see whether it passes the Emirates big mouth tests, or not...😀😀... edit: sp

[@iamr4mi]

nkjce

[@jordanalexander4331]

I would go for RR given their availability.

[@John-nc4bl]

GE are the best engines. RR overpromise performance and fail to deliver that promise.

[@eastpeak74]

We ( Air NZ, I’m a kiwi) have 14 787’s with RR engines. 3 are grounded as RR have no availability of spares OR engines. So bring on the GE models.

[@rafaelwilks]

GE >>> RR

[@John-nc4bl]

The only reason that RR were able to sell so many engines in the past was because of their unethical business practices. Google and you will fing lots of information about the huge fines that hit them.

[@artrandy]

GE just never got caught, you nasty shill..........

[@edwardwilcox6606]

BS!

[@shaungabrielcaravana5201]

First WOO-HOO

[@petervogel8015]

Lbf is pound feet