Roman Patronage System

[@KingsandGenerals]

Buy one for you and one for each of your clients :-) bit.ly/2Ra6E5b

[@ialix]

We need Arabic translate

[@veryfieddoctor7450]

Thats me...

[@andrewdockrill]

What were your sources? just curious.

[@mejlaification]

Kings and Generals I was expecting a Patreon joke this whole episode 🙂 Thanks for your videos

[@oddish2253]

Seems like the blueprint of the Mafia system.

[@olefredrikskjegstad5972]

I appreciate the extension of Roman lifespan to 1453. The last Emperor of Rome wasn't a sad little boy named Romulus Augustulus, but a man named Constantine, fighting to the very last to defend his city and his people.

[@danielcardona2714]

That’s the Rome which abandoned the Gods and was destroyed by an empire which didn’t persecute the worship of its homeland’s gods

[@olefredrikskjegstad5972]

@@danielcardona2714 Yeah they did. The Ottomans were muslim, but Islam isn't the original faith of anywhere that they ruled. Arabia did have its own religious tradition before the rise of Islam. The Ottomans weren't originally from modern Turkey either, but they certainly didn't make much room for central asian tribal spiritualities in the empire either. This comparison makes no sense.

[@vitorpereira9515]

​@@danielcardona2714 Someone who has idols of stone has a soul of stone. The true and only God is the one who sees everything but no one can see him. "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in the heavens above, on the earth below, or in the waters beneath." Exodus 20:4

[@ronaldp7573]

Imagine worshiping a twink carpenter.

[@Muguratiu]

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[@KingsandGenerals]

Thank you very much! :-)

[@Mattyhollis]

Hope you guys enjoy the video. It was good to go into depth on another of one of my favourite civilisation's traits. :)

[@MalayArcher]

Matthew Hollis you are great!

[@binozia-old-2031]

what roman emperor is that (i presume it roman)

[@Roman41231]

@@binozia-old-2031 Looks like is Tiberius

[@MalayArcher]

7:00 Fancy 🤠 As always, the RII mods we used in this video are: Divide Et Impera Celticus' Orbiitus Terrarum (Alpha) Celticus' Marian Legionaries GEMFX Best wishes, Malay Archer ڤمانه ملايو

[@Verpal]

Err, I only used Divide Et Impera, maybe I should check the next two later.

[@SonPham-CompetitiveProgramming]

Can't decide if these characters look better with or without the eyes :D

[@KingsandGenerals]

As you see, same here, we also don't know. :-)

[@mahmutcatal7631]

Without

[@1pacozcz]

Without..those eyes are disturbing :-D

[@Pondimus_Maximus]

With!

[@yave4algeria]

I like them without eyes, but does that mean sthg ?

[@jengoh3826]

I love that you are starting to produce videos that are more focused on statecraft. This is a very good extension of your original focus on purely battles. I would suggest that in the future, you may begin to produce video series that tie together historical conflicts at all levels, beginning with grand strategy and statecraft, down to war and battles. I recommend that you begin with American Civil War.

[@KingsandGenerals]

There will be more! Thanks for the suggestion!

[@JodenPaoloPeroy]

It's quite interesting to see the clientela system with our viewpoint of the patron being able to provide for their clients. Was there ever a time where the patron can't provide? Also, while the clientela system is a boon to Roman society, it does not necessarily mean the enrichment of the clients themselves. Anthony Everitt mentioned this on his book "The Rise of Rome", as patrons can be mean or fall on hard times themselves to the detriment of the clients. This works in reverse as well I think, with the clients becoming a burden for the patrons. Plautus imagined a scenario such as this on his play "Stichus", where Gelasimus was hard done by when his patrons went abroad to recover their fortune, leaving him alone to do what was necessary for a free meal. Anyway, great video guys! This is not normally mentioned on docus of Roman history, so I'm glad you guys tackled this here. Cheers!

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks for sharing this and supporting us. :-)

[@kekero540]

Well clients can just leave for someone that can provide more for you (unless you’re a freedman). But, yeah spending ordinate amounts of wealth for clout isn’t a financially responsible thing to do for the patron.

[@miguelcamacho4595]

Becuase of this video, I’ll become a patreon of this channel. *MARK MY WORDS*

[@miguelcamacho4595]

DONE, MAN OF MY WORD

[@morpheus24]

This is the best video. Perhaps the dearth of content on this topic is due to a similar dearth of ancient sources. However, this is the foundation of how Roman society worked.

[@alexreiz6128]

It’s briefly mentioned in these video, but if you never heard about Cicero’s speeches agains Gaius Verres - you really should go and read it. It’s timeless masterpiece, which is beyond belief relevant even in our days. Perfect example of how developed Roman society was and how aware they were about inner political and social problems and their(problems) origins(which in the end led to Fall of Roman Empire). Btw, thanks for another amazing video!

[@watchingvids101]

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[@KingsandGenerals]

Thank you very much! :-)

[@octavianhughes4493]

I hear that mfin Crusader Kings OST. You're a man of taste.

[@worldofdoom995]

your channel is impeccable and I regret not having found it sooner.

[@KingsandGenerals]

Welcome aboard!

[@remiesmith7027]

I love your channel. You cover a bunch of angles and topics I've always been interested in but never seen covered.

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks for watching!

[@unleashingpotential-psycho9433]

The Roman people were years ahead of their time.

[@farhadzaker2377]

they defined their time :)

[@davidbagrationi199]

*centuries

[@toasterforsale5069]

David bagrationi *Zulus sweating profusely*

[@fatihsaidduran]

They were where they were. The people ahead of their time using their system made them ahead of their time. If you look it in another way, we haven't developed much. Have we met base human needs world wide? Aside from escaping poverty, can we feel complete whilst being wealthy?

[@Spartan-1821]

Colonial Groyper South Italians do, not the Lombardians of North

[@sachinmishra930]

People who don't follow this channel are losing something every week

[@KingsandGenerals]

Tell 'em. :-) Thanks!

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Dude they aren't.....stop being so intense please...

[@borjamartinchacon9453]

First of all, thank you once again for making and sharing this kind of information, explaining concepts that are not always easy to talk about, or even known for many people. As always, good job! I must however, disagree with several different aspects that you have explained in the video. Before anything, I’ll admit I’m quite critical with the use that many scholars have given to clientelae, especially in managing provinces and it’s aristocracies. But, you have omitted one big thing about clientelism that changes substantially the relation between patron and client: a client can and usually had many patron, not a single one. Clientela is a relation based on trust and mutual benefit, if one side feel the need of breaking this relation, as you have said with Hispalis and Caesar, it will happen. Or if a patron does not feel like maintaining a relation with a client, will, break this relation. A patron may have to decide between clients with different/opposite opinions in a conflict; a client may have to decide which patron to follow one day, or in an election, or in a civil war even (A case that has been documented many times, for individuals and cities ex: Masilia). This is why I must refuse (In the shortest explanation possible) the idea that clientelism as a way of imperialism, a way that Rome/roman aristocracy had to control provinces, cities, inhabitants foreign kingdoms, etc… That is to be based in a juridical relation, which is not the case of clientelism. Besides, you have to make the difference between the juridical relation that exowner-exslave have, and the non juridical relation of clientela . Same name, different concepts. Knowing that you are going to follow with this kind of subjects, I wonder if you would be interested in talking about the relation that Rome established with the different communities the defeat/contact, and which juridical tools they use to make a city-state a superpower. How the relations that Rome created with other cities (deditio, foedus,…) were the key that lead to success. Rome made her empire based on her jurists, not only her legions. Just let me know if so, and again, well done!

[@Belisarius1995]

Kingdom of Rome 753-509 Republic of Rome 509-23 Roman Empire of antiquity 23bc.-476ad. Roman Empire of the east 395-1453 Roman empire in the hearts and minds of people everywhere, forever!

[@Belisarius1995]

vita enim mortuorum in memoria vivorum est

[@johnvonshepard9373]

Don't forget The Holy Roman Empire.

[@Belisarius1995]

The holy roman empire was none of those things

[@alexbreeze4978]

@@Belisarius1995 if u rly look at it the pope received the title pontifex maximus from the emperor a political title throughout Roman History, so in a way the pope crowning charlemagne is technically a roman leader declaring an emperor. And arguably Russia counts as Roman too since the byzantine empire declared russia the third Rome so rly there really is a lot of rome left today

[@kekero540]

This subject needs to be expanded upon immensely.

[@KingsandGenerals]

Obviously. It is a KZbin video.

[@kekero540]

@@KingsandGenerals well I mean This is a fairly foundational element of roman society. when you think about it the patron client relationship defined the republic, think of what the Marian reforms did in regards to this relationship. the general would become the Patrons of their soldiers and would have the same responsibilities that a Patron might have to his own Clientele.

[@Xerrand]

@@kekero540 When can we expect to see your video on the subject?

[@heavenwatcher100]

So could we call this relationship an early form of lobbyists or even parties centered around particular persons(patrons)?

[@Telenil]

Yup, it was essentially a political party, but built around a person rather than a set of ideas. Of course the whole thing is hopelessly corrupt by modern standards, as it is based on mass bribery and paid protests, but it was all very public and it worked well enough at the time.

[@arthas640]

@@Telenil The Romans had a habit of taking bad things like dictatorship, political corruption, and constant warfare and making it work for the common citizens. They used the office of Dictator for centuries and it was really only abused once and usually improved things. If we had that system today it wouldn't be abused for about 15 minutes before President Trump or President Clinton had the opposing party members lined up against the Whitehouse wall and shot before declaring themselves a living god.

[@benjamingrezik373]

It was more like a private benifit system centered around one person rather than just a political party, but the support fron the clients was definitely a political asset

[@aLukepop]

@@arthas640 It's arguable more that our culture of abuse and what not is something that developed in Roman times after a few centuries of those institutions being run I think.

[@peterthompson6154]

Yes, but unfortunately I think that the form of Patronage in the Roman era held a lot more meaning between the Patron and Client and it was absolutely necessary that a Patron follow through with their promises and support of their Clients, lest they lose their monetary and vocal support, or even worse their head via rioting/angry mobs. While today politicians can say whatever they want to gain the support of voters but then act in a completely different or hypocritical way with little to no consequence. It’s disgusting.

[@mikkokoivunalho7952]

A great subject to discuss. Often overlooked. Thanks.

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thank you for watching!

[@βαγγτεμπ]

I keep learning new things about rome empire.. perfect job.continue this specific episodes about ancient sociaties maybe don't have the same popularity BUT THEY ARE USEFUL as well..

[@astral9138]

Sorry Kings and Generals i can't resist your videos! its so damn good to watch!

[@albertobozzetto8939]

These new kind of videos are amazing! Good job Guys!

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks :-)

[@markuhler2664]

I really enjoy these delves into social structures, almost as much as the battle analyses. Would love to learn more about China (especially the Confucian administration system), the Mongols, & the empires of the Americas.

[@philRminiatures]

A fascinating and complex subject, beautifully illustrated...Gloria et divitiae...

[@Armorius2199]

Finally someone shows that Rome fell not when the West fell to the Barbarian but When the East Fell to the Ottomans at 1453.

[@markuhler2664]

Too many people don't understand that the Roman Empire continued for another millennium.

[@markuhler2664]

@@davidbagrationi199 Eh. The Romans felt that way I'm sure, but for us it depends on the definition of barbarians.

[@johnsmitty7447]

@@davidbagrationi199 ottomans were definitely a organized state, not barbarians, although i think the term barbarian originally meant anybody who was not greek, it was usually used to describe nomadic or tribal peoples who had not yet organized into a unified state.. i dont think the romans would have referred to the ottomans as barbarians, but as a enemy nation

[@davidbagrationi199]

@@johnsmitty7447 -moving your capital every decade -most of the population are nomads even in the 16th century -havent founded a single city, only renamed greek,armenian and georgian ones -cavalry oriented till janissaries -speak central asian language Pretty barbarian if you ask me

[@BALLARDTWIN]

@@davidbagrationi199 Constantinople was a backwater Damn near finished The citizens became more and more illiterate and it was a sad shadow of its former self Ottomans practically saved Constantinople by taking that city Lol And 1500 ottoman empire was mostly nomad!? Are you high? You just hate Turks and Muslims Easy to tell Europe was living in utter shit in the 1500 Feudalism was rampant With knights randomly attacking villages, raping and pillaging their way through their own kingdom's without being punished

[@ssejr01]

Not a battle in sight and still loved every minute of this.

[@InspectHistory]

Did you mean "patreon?" 🤓

[@slickwillie7598]

😂

[@crispywaffle6989]

Battle of the history channels.

[@juliuscesear9312]

Hi bro .

[@rudamachoo]

when thinking about the evolution of the patrocinium in the augustan era, maybe we can consider gaius maecenas? in spanish, a latin language, the word "patronage" evolves from maecenas last name. the "mecenazgo" is when someone becomes "mecenas" (patron) of somebody. thank you for the vid, amazing stuff as always =) - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaius_Maecenas - es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecenazgo // - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patronage

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks!

[@rudamachoo]

@@KingsandGenerals thank you guys for all your hard work!

[@caleb-hines]

I've read that the Apostle Paul modeled his description of God's Grace (charis=gift) on this reciprocal system of patronage. Christ is our patron who bestows upon us an advocacy with His Father. In response, we as His clients, are expected to speak His praise before men.

[@caleb-hines]

Actually, as far as literary references go, Jesus Himself credits the "dead three days" thing to Jonah, which makes more sense, as Christianity was an offshoot of Judaism.

[@TheIbney00]

Caleb Hines that ain’t the only time the big 3 number comes up lol

[@3-Kashmir]

No paul stole his teaching from a man named Philo of Alexandria who in turn got his philosophy from mixing Hellenism with Judaism to make you guessed it Christianity😇

[@painized2737]

The greatest channel on KZbin so far. Thanks for enlightening me with every documentary. Keep it up !

[@runswithcows464]

reciprocity... well that will save a fair bit of time when I next feel the need to express the old adage:- do as you would be done by.

[@runswithcows464]

There you go again, what is it with you Kings and Generals people, you always heart my comments! OK I'll buy a Tee shirt just to prove it's mutual (I was thinking about buying the Gaius Julius Caesar one anyway).

[@KingsandGenerals]

Only, if you can afford it. :-)

[@runswithcows464]

@@KingsandGenerals Should be OK, I got my firm to buy it for me *cough* research.

[@justinmayfield6579]

The quote they used, “Do unto other as you would have them do unto you,” is a saying from Jesus. It’s related to the idea of reciprocity but not nearly the same thing. Reciprocity means multiple parties are symbiotically benefitting one another. Jesus’ teaching, especially taken in the context of his broader teachings, was that, regardless if the other parties do unto you as they would have others do to them, one should love in this empathetic way, any way. Reciprocity would be more like, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you as long as they do the same.”

[@runswithcows464]

@@justinmayfield6579 The adage I referred to is what it is; do as you would be done by. It's Kingsley not Jesus but thanks for your clarification all the same.

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar4201]

So is this like early feudalism? Or just the origins of Patron saints as a concept. Or neither? It seems it became a societal thing then later a political thing. Or was it both? It seems like a fundraiser/philanthropist type of societal system which contained various different aspects. It also seems like such society became institutionalised into feudalism which I guess was manifested with the birth of Imperial Rome, where the kingdoms afterwards inherited such system.

[@varana]

This and feudalism are both systems of dependency but that's about it. Feudalism is based on the exchange of land or rights, and loyalty _within_ a hereditary nobility. This system of patronage is more informal but at the same time more encompassing, not centered around land, and can be found within all tiers of society but mostly between the rich, and the poorer classes. (Rome didn't have a hereditary nobility in the same way as feudal Europe.) European feudalism doesn't (only) come from Rome; the Germanic peoples had a huge influence on that. In a way, patronage may have contributed to the emergence of a feudal system but one didn't directly evolve into the other. The heighday of the patronage system in the mid to late Republic was several _centuries_ before the appearance of medieval feudalism. There are least several stages of development in between.

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar4201]

varana312 very interesting thank you for clarifying

[@roninref5152]

Patronage obviously was one of the base points which grew into feudalism. It did however take centuries of changes such as the effects of Diocletian's tax and occupation policies and Germanic traditions melding together through the chaos of the post-Roman period

[@peterutman9754]

It does seem to have some striking similarities with feudalism doesn't it!

[@peterutman9754]

Also the colonate system was similar by making serfs tied to the land in the late Roman empire.

[@vardansimonyan966]

Pompey never installed a puppet King on Armenian throne. After losing the war Armenia gave up the conquered territories western territories to the Republic that is it. Edit: there is some strange map when talking of Pompeys period, featuring Persia (instead of Parthia) and Armenia included into Persia. And Instead of Pontus it would be more accurate to write Bosporus Kingdom imho.

[@felipepereira214]

With some changes, this system exists today in Brazil in both public and private spheres.

[@Lucas199BR]

lol i don't see how

[@Lucas199BR]

@@viniciusdomenighi6439as a fellow hue this is embarrassing stop overthinking this, we are sopa de macaco empire at best lmao

[@lukezuzga6460]

Great video and info fellas, explained the Patronage system perfectly.

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks :-)

[@lukezuzga6460]

@@KingsandGenerals my pleasure.

[@_empiree9338]

From a city state to one of the greatest empires that ever existed.Amazing !

[@noman2330]

Wolfalpha if i can say greateast.. only state to surround the mediteranean , largest population at its time i guess more than han china maybe , democracy ( republic ) largest army maybe , and most empire that existed claimed a relation with rome..ottomans , russian , holy roman empire

[@R3GARnator]

Never thought i would see the patreon icon inside a history video proper!

[@dontsearchdocumentingreali9621]

I hope you continue with Successor wars, and colonization of Americas, also some new modern wars , would be appreciated. Also this channel is amazing,to me it's the best history channel on youtube. Much ❤

[@ryanh4499]

These videos are absolutely inspiring and amazing! Thank you very much for making these!

[@ianmoone705]

I never knew about this aspect of Roman life! Thank you for bringing it to my attention!

[@vietviolar5850]

Is this consider some kind of ancient lobby system ?

[@MarcusDarkstar]

That and more. Clients were expected to do favors of any kind not just political. For example If a patron had a lawyer as a client it was expected said Lawyer would speak upon his behalf for free (since the Patron would already be regularly paying him as part of his responsibilities). Or it could be as simple as buying groceries for the Patron on day or doing other favors. If your patron paid for your meals for awhile and you were a carpenter maybe you build him a door or a piece of furniture to repay him for all the meals he got you. Being a client is kinda a lesser irregular form of servitude in-exchange for a token sum of money, food to eat when times are tough, or other services. The main benefit to this is that like Insurance you pay a little bit over time with little favors etc in exchange for bigger favors later (like free lawyer services when you need it, food, or money if like say your house burns down etc).

[@yvetteszentesi6077]

8:18 - *(Points)* Is that the Patreon Symbol? Very cute XD Very interesting video .. excellently crafted.

[@KingsandGenerals]

;-)

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As a history nerd I have been watching your videos for a long time, but your quality has today been reaffirmed. I am studying history at a university at the moment and watching your video was a requirement for tomorrow’s class. So your quality is high enough to be used by a university.

[@jimmythebuddhistbee8786]

I got a 300 minutes LEGO movie ad.... I watched it all just to support the channel

[@KingsandGenerals]

I have watched that... That song will never leave my brain... Thanks! :-)

[@STFUismyname]

i was playing rome 2 total war when i got the notification you uploaded, i find it funny you upload roman content while i was playing a roman campaign lol

[@KingsandGenerals]

Good. :-)

[@peterutman9754]

The Roman Patronage system fascinates me. Can anyone recommend any good books or academic articles for further study on this topic?

[@KingsandGenerals]

Saller - Personal Patronage in the Roman Empire

[@peterutman9754]

@@KingsandGenerals thanks!

[@generalrendar7290]

This is fascinating, it is amazing what people come up with for solving problems.

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

Guess what happened to the patronage bond afterwards...

[@michaelmoore4043]

Bad memories

[@RodrigoDiaz-ir7kh]

Very good video, i like how it was editted

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thank you!

[@gaiusjuliuspleaser]

Re: Cicero and Verres If you ever want to see someone utterly and completely destroyed by words, read Cicero's blistering takedown of Gaius Verres during the latter's trial for corruption, in which Cicero was the prosecutor.

[@xbox_cheeto5338]

This makes me think a lot of tribalism and chieftan loyalism seen among the various barbarian peoples of this time period, but the only difference being that it was far less centralized and the only pure and 'everlasting' patronic bond would have been between chieftan and tribesman, rather than anything above that (eg a confederacy leader was never as reveared as the Roman equivalent of a consul would have been for instance).

[@sergiocampanale3882]

Interestingly, like many things from the time of Rome, this system still endures in modern Italy and its diaspora.....sometimes referred to by it's English name 'favours'

[@awesomedude00001]

I think the characters look more dignified without eyes...just like how marble sculptures look better unpainted.

[@KingsandGenerals]

I hear you, thanks for the feedback!

[@justinmayfield6579]

Great content! Loving this channel. Quick note: Reciprocity would be more like “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you as long as they do the same.” Jesus’ teaching quoted in the video was a command to love regardless of whether or not others do the same.

[@johnnylefthand6628]

Premium content - dig this type of insight into history.

[@jeffm3283]

That quote about the emperor and the benificiums seemed like he was either being honest or sly. In any event I enjoyed the gesture of taking care of others I suppose. I'll have to learn about him

[@menaseven9093]

Roman style patronage still exist today in the modern democratic system. When a rich businessman finance a politician election he expect pro business policy, laws from the politician and government contract from the politician. When people vote for a politician or a political party they expect the politicians to invest in public work and job in their community. The Egyptian civilization lasted a minimum of 5000 years, the Maya civilization lasted 3000 years, that is longer then Roman civilization 2,206 years

[@armartin0003]

I really love this. It helps me understand how society & power works on a grand scale.

[@nazmardacagdas4761]

Very nice video. You can even extend the complete end of Roman Empire to 1461, to the fall of Trebizond / Trabzon to Ottomans

[@brettd2308]

Very glad to see your Roman history timeline extending to 1453. Wish we'd see more history content recognizing this instead of following the arbitrary (and originally propaganda-driven) division of Roman/Byzantine empires. Also the rest of the video is great!

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thank you! It is one of the matters that are more about the nomenclature than anything else.

[@chinchinovskypole]

YESSSSS!!!!! I love your culture episodes!!!!!

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks, more on the way!

[@tankopearl]

Methinks the longest lasting kingdom was Ancient Egypt (Kemet) from 3100 B.C.E , Men being the first pharaoh to 30 B.C.E during Cleopatra's reign.

[@jacksontaylor5708]

Another great video👍

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thank you!

[@natea6812]

Keep the podcasts coming

[@dennisjeppesen9387]

For the love of all the gods, please continue your series on the Wars of the Diadochi!

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thinking about it!

[@fietehermans9903]

What's the music at 8:28? I recognise it, but can't place it

[@dxq3647]

Have you found it? I’m looking for it too.

[@ihernandez4234]

Why did you refer to the Republic an empire at around 5:50 when talking about Sicily?

[@KingsandGenerals]

In the same sense, as we call the US and the USSR empires.

[@ihernandez4234]

@@KingsandGenerals Ok, that's what I thought you might have meant.

[@bennolee348]

Very interesting look in the foindations of the roman class system.

[@teese1630]

The diagram at 3:48 makes it seem as though a patron could be more than one higther patron of his own. IS this the case

[@davidbagrationi199]

Interesting! In georgian we use the word batoni or patroni as "lord"(probably a loan word from latin) and the word for feudalism in georgian is patron-kmoba which literally means patron-clientism

[@georgimechev4832]

Really like your videos, you are doing great work, but I did enjoy the animation style in this video in contrast of that about Frederick 3, and Franz ferdinand.

[@KingsandGenerals]

I see what you mean, both styles will be implemented down the line.

[@georgimechev4832]

*didn't

[@ThanTreeKull]

Augustus was at least patron of all people in Italy and of all the armies in his 12 provinces (in fact this was the root of his power, his control over the armies). He changed the patronage system to fit his new Principat and he tried to get as many patrons as possible to consolidate his own power over his provinces and to weaken the power of other senators and magistrats.

[@KHK001]

Great video!

[@AlexVictorianus]

Rome is still there. Its citizens are speaking Italian, which developed directly from Latin. They pray in churches, constructed in the Late Roman Empire and they have SPQR on theit coat of arms.

[@3-Kashmir]

Yh and lions run free in England.

[@Trobinson97]

The bit about Livia at the end. So foreboding.

[@butter_nut1817]

"Kings and Generals: let us help you forget about current politics and just rememeber some cool old stuff"

[@ernestasb1493]

Will you do video about baltic tribes war with teutonic order and livonian order?

[@counterstrike95]

I'd say the patron-client relation has never disappeared, nor was inherently roman. The romans just formalized it. Look for example at the opening scene of The Godfather. Is this not a clear patron-client relation. Do these relations not exist all over society?

[@KingsandGenerals]

They do. But as you said, the Romans have codified it. Otherwise, it existed in some form in almost every society.

[@SoLazy100]

1:18 This guy looks like the sprinter Asterix beat in The Twelve Tasks of Asterix. :D

[@kirk001]

So in other words, private interest groups, lobbyists, PACs and SuperPACs in the US, existed and was highly valued in ancient Rome?

[@sadishirajee7097]

Thanks 2 kings & Generals,I now ask myself is there anything else left for me to know about Roman Empire.

[@brandontaylor6000]

Love the keystone pun that was pretty good

[@justinlabrosse8506]

I have a suggestion didnt know this conflict happen till I did some research but maybe you guys could do a short episode on the Philippine - American war?

[@dylansf7345]

God I love this channel

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thank you. :-)

[@teddyganea9990]

0:20 "Arguably lasting from 753 BC until 1453 AD, with the fall of Constantinople." The Empire of Trebizond is widely considered a successor state/splinter fragment of the Byzantine Empire. The Byzantine/Eastern Roman Empire was a successor state/splinter fragment of the earlier united Roman Empire. If the channel arguably considers the Byzantine Empire as part of the Roman Empire, there is no reason for the Empire of Trebizond, Despotate of Morea, and other such states to not be considered continuations of the Roman Empire, so that date actually falls somewhere in the 1460s or 70s. Good job with the video and keep up the good work (other than that)!

[@KingsandGenerals]

That is why the sentence starts with the word "arguably". :-) Thanks!

[@teddyganea9990]

True. I really appreciated that you counted the Byzantine Empire as Roman in the first place!

[@arkitsingh97]

So mafia / cosa nostra was inspired by this?

[@KingsandGenerals]

Probably, no an expert on the mafia. :-)

[@arkitsingh97]

@@KingsandGenerals can you make a video about the schism bw the west and east and other schisms too?

[@Kimonodiloto]

This system is embedded in southern italian culture, which is the most mediterranean hellenic-like of the peninsula. While the Romans included this social system in the legally ordered civic system, the people in medieval s. italy used this to group up against foreign domination; even the modern Repubblica Italiana (which as its origins in the north) is seen as an enemy and a foreign by this system

[@kekcrusader4979]

Very nice video, keep'em coming; cuz we all know that we love Rome.

[@markuhler2664]

With the Marion reforms, you got into how while they were necessary they led to many & larger problems. Do you see the same type of problems with the patronage system, good in the short-term but eventually leading to the downfall of the Republic and/or the Western Empire?

[@GarfieldRex]

6:52 what's that? New video :)

[@MajesticGames101]

To be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one views and trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and everyone’s valid opinion, I honestly believe that..I completely forgot what I was about to say.

[@brc2445]

would you do Mühlberg?

[@dxq3647]

What’s the song used at 9:00? Please my lords, I must know.

[@highdharr]

When you realize you are one of the patrons of the Kings and Generals channels!

[@austiedlee9265]

Very useful to me!

[@austiedlee9265]

Thanks very much!

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks for watching!

[@ceitreimuschetari6013]

Kings and generals when are you gonna make a video about the roman navy and siege warfare

[@MawuliWare]

Excellent topic

[@affandi99]

Sea Battle of Sacheon please ?