Rome: Total War - Part 4 - The Battle of Patavium

[@roxasdog2016]

Roman General: *Sees his lines breaking and charges into the middle* "Guys. Guys, guys, guys, don't. Just, just don't, alright?" Now that's a rallying speech.

[@ethanmaxwell1360]

Roxasdog Speech level 100

[@connectionpoints930]

My General's first battle "I've never lost a battle against these people!"

[@infinitedream978]

He said truth :D you can't lost battle if you never fought it ;)

[@jidk6565]

*second battle

[@tomc4459]

I mean he’s not wrong

[@TheBigMonkey224]

@@jidk6565 ?

[@amora9721]

He aint lying 😂

[@yourethatmantis5178]

3:30 sacrificing the barbarian auxiliaries first I see, how Roman of you. :)

[@cringelord9568]

You'reThatMantis Maybe he'll do that when he gets to Thrace, and we'll see many Roman deaths later on

[@frisianmouve]

Except for cretan archers and Rhodian/balaeric slingers

[@Liofa73]

You'reThatMantis --- Spoiler in the first comment... Thanks a lot fuckwit...

[@zjotheglorious]

@@Liofa73 Don't swear at him for looking in the comments, you know that you would see something like this. Are you really that delusional?

[@thattwitalex]

Let us not forget the beautiful corner fight in Jon's total war warhammer series that allowed him to decimate three enemy armies and hope that something as ridiculous as that happens in this series.

[@ManyATrueNerd]

Yeah, but I don't want to do that here really - corner fighting is kind of scummy. I'll always leave the enemy enough space to flank me to be fair.

[@samhunter7886]

Many A True Nerd All is fair in love and total war Jon.

[@SirRoderickThunderbottom]

so spawn camping is allowed, but not turtling in a corner?

[@DylanTBlock]

I used "corner fighting" in two battles today because I was screwed. Only won one of them. I'll get to you're level eventually.

[@alienavatar7946]

Many A True Nerd: You attacked and decimated an army that was not on the battlefield yet and, therefor, could not defend itself. You, also, intend to use the fact that your allies can not understand your treacherous actions in battle to cause their downfall. But, "corner fighting" is scummy? That is *hilarious*! Great show keep those jokes coming.

[@kingofspades110]

"I'm not going to corner fight" immediately starts corner fighting

[@stemakwest7165]

King Of Spades .... exactly!..... be as well just grabbing a bunch of cheat codes to be done with it.

[@ESFAndy011]

(Proceeds then to explain why he doesn't like doing it after doing it)

[@Sp33dyStallion]

@@ESFAndy011 And then does it again xD

[@zjotheglorious]

There was enough room for cavalry to flank him, which means he was not corner fighting.

[@thomasbuck303]

@@zjotheglorious based on your definition. I think he still used the corner to give him a considerable advantage

[@hughjass5156]

Im not gonna cheese them with a corner battle, im going to cheese them with a corner attack before they are even on the battlefield...

[@rekadd]

would not mind a permanent total war slot in the schedule would not mind at all

[@tobywarren1245]

It's Tuesdays and Thursdays.

[@shadowfragment]

+Toby Warren I think rekadd's point was that, when this play through finishes, they would want Jon to start a new Total War campaign and keep this series going.

[@eshafto]

If he promises to say "The Nile delta, diddly-diddly-dah" at least once per episode, I'm in.

[@tobywarren1245]

+Tom Cadogan Ah, I see.

[@aphthakid]

I just want to salute the one-man Gallic unit. Lone survivor of the three men sent to hold the gate, you see him all through the combat running with his giant scary banner trying to inspire his countrymen. And, yes, I know that might not have been him at the end, the last man valiantly defending the town, but I like to think that it was.

[@yourethatmantis5178]

Jon you have to kill 85% of the army to destroy it, unless it has a general. that's why it Patavium didn't fall to you

[@LeonidasOlympia]

You'reThatMantis It did have a general though, so did he not get the city because the general survived?

[@yourethatmantis5178]

***** no he needed to kill the garrison which didn't have a proper general, the garrison was the reinforcing army that Jon routed early in the battle. which he failed to run down.

[@LeonidasOlympia]

You'reThatMantis Oh, I see. I was thinking if it as just 1 army rather than the garrison & the actual army. Thanks for the info (:

[@zachareyharris6228]

John, John, John....listen to me. Whatever you do, make this a series don't end this i literally am at the edge of my seat.

[@zebyurd9530]

They had us in the first half not gonna lie

[@RobertSurber-lw6ze]

👍 Me too. I have confidence in him but this is so much better than a movie.

[@nolongeraperson]

*Sees whole army appear in corner* Woah, I never played a Total War before. That opening gambit looked insane.

[@TheRockType]

Jon if you hold down the Space bar during a battle you can see exactly where you've told all of your units to draw up!

[@timlampers8610]

Bruh, I've been wondering if Rome Total War had something like that. Amazing :D

[@dennisjames8356]

Man i gotta give you alot of credit. I enjoy watching Let's Play's but my biggest issue usually is the host having an annoying voice and/or personality that detracts from the game. Not trying to be rude or negative but just honest. If i'm inviting this person into my home (so to speak) for 40 mins or an hour at a time, i'd much rather not be annoyed the entire time and i'd rather they actually knew something about the game they're playing. Any who... I'm a really big fan of the way you present your videos. You are really good at explaining things like history and types of people, etc. etc.. But i also love how descriptive you are in what's happening on screen and why it is you're doing what you're doing. You really bring the game to life as well which for me is the best part of these kinds of videos. Keep them coming brother you're doing a great job.

[@indy1504]

Im supposed to be playing rome total war but this one player keeps kicking my ass

[@indy1504]

Alton Hatfield Yeah theledgen27

[@raideus4338]

Clorox Bleach who is the legend27?

[@ethanliu4883]

RaidEus wait THE legend27?

[@yourethatmantis5178]

RaidEus- I heard about legend27 from a mobile game commercial

[@LuizAlexPhoenix]

Some say that TheLegend27 is the first Total War player ever. I heard TheLegend27 can throw a boulder farther than a catapult.

[@jonokguy]

Your general's speech when segueing Patavium reminds me of Trump. "I am the best at segueing Gaul, no one kills Gaul as good as me. These Gauls, they're losers."

[@yourethatmantis5178]

I know Jon said this game has racist speeches but I think the speeches in Medieval 2 are the actually racist ones. I was just playing as England and I got into a huge battle with a massive french army and my general spent 10 minutes just bashing french people in his speech.

[@shadowfragment]

Segueing? I'm now imagining the general unit riding the two-wheel Segue scooter things. I know you meant 'Sieging', but the segueing idea seems fun. EDIT: I guess actually they spell it Segway. Damn them for misspelling it and making up a new word.

[@Heranara]

We're gonna build a wall around Alesia and make the gauls pay for it with their lives!

[@KvltKommando]

thats a segway

[@shadowfragment]

KvltKommando Was that directed at me? If so, I already addressed that in my comment.

[@Konkajou]

romans can take over a gaul goddess, Eponia, upgrade the shrine to level 5 and turn it into a roman god. It gives you the ability to recruit cavalry with rank 5. i will put this in the comments of every episode until it gets aknowledged

[@JoshuaBarnes2298]

Obscure Breezie i know this comment is super old but I have eponia lvl 1 at patavium but can't upgrade it, do you know why that is?

[@LikelyToBeEatenByAGrue]

Josh Barnes I know this response is old but it's because op is wrong. You can't upgrade temples that you don't have very specific analogues to.

[@Chumpkins]

28:09 That one barbarian charging in.

[@chasesheldon2080]

I got to say, I've been watching you for a while John, and this is probably your best. I love complex strategy games, and I love to watch competent players play. This is some of your best.

[@amcghie7]

Go and talk to the Britons diplomat, if you do the same thing with them the Julii essentially cannot invade Britain either

[@stalectos]

i have heard in these comments that your allies can break you alliances freely so i doubt this would work.

[@srgforge2993]

Britains. As an Englishman i am utterly disgusted at this Briton imposter

[@nopenoperton5448]

srg forge2 Britains isn’t a thing. That would just mean there is more than one Britain. Briton is the correct term to designate the Celtic tribes who lived in the area of present day UK.

[@amcghie7]

@@nopenoperton5448 Same reason Brittany is named that way. It was the land of the Britons....

[@chris_wick]

I'm with the guy that wants this 3 times a week

[@minerva9104]

Leon Valentine Why not 7 times a week?

[@stalectos]

why not 15 times a week?

[@BigDylan66]

Luther LuxtonWood 2 episodes everyday and 3 on friday

[@quimble2177]

The bloody trait really changed in Rome 2. Instead of gaining extra moral your troops have less. Plus with the addition of captives you get less once he gets this trait. I think there was another plus but I can't remember it.

[@quimble2177]

Also Jon/John which ever version journey name is...unless I cocked it up...ah well anyways when ever you say Velites it sounds like you're saying Wellites, it makes me thing, "I didn't know the Romans had wellies!?

[@Tigercup9]

It's Jon

[@sharpe3698]

Connor Quarmby That's because the latin V make a soft "w" sound

[@shadowfragment]

The pronunciation of Velites is actually interesting to think about. It probably could have varied depending on where the speaker was raised. The Romans used V as both 'U' and 'W' interchangeably. A proper education would have probably taught Weh-li-tehs, but probably varied with accent to things like WAY-li-tays or we-LEE-tes. A poor education could also lead to alternative pronunciation. You also have to keep in mind your own cultural language and how it integrates latin into its language. Language isn't really about being historically accurate, it's about being understood by the person you want to communicate with. Given the way I spelt my phonetic interpretations of the words with a 'W', English clearly doesn't understand 'V' to make that sound normally. To be understood by English speakers it's probably best to pronounce it as a regular V, so Veh-li-tehs, Vay-li-tays, Ve-Lee-tehs, or some combination of those. You might instead also pronounce it as Ve-Lights or Vay-Lights. If you were French you might pronounce it Ve-leet.

[@TheKyfe]

I found that the options with building up the Generals in the first Medieval was superior to Medieval 2, though, lol.

[@UchronianKing]

Fell in love with this game - from the moment I read the preview in PC Gamer to the very recent time I played it. At the time it was one of the best TBS/RTS strategy games ever to grace our computers. I racked up hundreds of hours campaigning as the Brutii….then the Julii….then the Scipii....I even did full conquest campaigns as the Egyptians and the Greeks! After being familiar with the game's mechanics, Rome II took some learning, but admittedly the 'remake' is far superior in graphics and introduced some additional improvements to the gameplay. But Rome 1 just had that extra-special charm. It was released around the same time as Half Life 2 - another legendary title still playable today - so it was a great time indeed for a gamer to be alive! Like many Rome gamers, I often adopted Hannibal's strategy of establishing a line of battle (attack or defence, depending on the mood of the enemy), then used lesser infantry and/or cavalry to flank and swing round engaged enemy troops. An additional factor, unlike Hannibal, often I had some archers or peltasts at my disposal, often softening up the enemy formations, shooting over the heads of my own troops (one of the advantages of a bow versus the musket of later centuries). But not all battles took this form. On occasion, I had to adopt a defensive position - at times similar to Hannibal's 'curved bow' (a more flexible formation that could adapt to the situation), or - especially if the enemy had a lot of horse - formed my units into a vast square (in truth predating European 18th century battle tactics). Both Rome 1 and Rome 2 don't have the 'form square' feature, so I had to construct such squares myself. Barbarian Invasion and Alexander were excellent expansions to an already critically acclaimed game, a breath of fresh air with some nice little extras. Great memories!

[@markhill3858]

such a pleasure to watch someone run a battle whos obviously read xenophon and also knows what hoplites raising their spears means :)

[@Riley08]

Well if you hadn’t heard, he does have a degree in Classics 😜

[@markhill3858]

@@Riley08 such degrees are irrelevant :) youve either read a thing or not .. did Xenophon have a degree? nope :)

[@Noah_AWICB]

This is a perfect tea-sipping video

[@gameconcept1196]

Haha! Literally sipping tea, while watching this video and reading this comment.

[@erinmayo5170]

Indeed lol

[@KingBobXVI]

"I'm not going to corner fight." ... "...I'm not going to corner fight... _again"_

[@zjotheglorious]

He left enough room for flanking around his army, he said so himself in one of the comments.

[@rolofry]

"Long standing tradition of corner fighting." couldn't agree more

[@RogertheRoman]

I like how Patavium is a really important city if the Julli expand in their natural way.For the most part I've always found the Patavium to be perfectly placed to be the capital

[@rrs_13]

Oh the nostalgia this brings me C: Loving the series! This soundtrack brings me back memories of hundreds and hundres of hours of my teen years

[@themystic8634]

Loved the episode. Noticed that you weren't using a tool I find very useful. If you hold space it shows the current troop formation destinations, great for reforming battle lines.

[@Aeradom2000]

I love Rome: Total War! Like you, I put more hours into this game than any other and some of my fondest gaming memories came from this game. Like one, in particular, wasn't even with my game; it was a friend of mine that had foolishly put all his generals inside a city and they were facing a full army at the gates. He came to me for help and I was happy to oblige. It was a hard battle to be sure, but I was able to pull out a victory with none of the generals lost by a combination of hit and run attacks against their infantry while battling them at the gates/doorways they exited from. It was such a great feeling seeing how shocked and excited he was.

[@sharkofjoy]

Commenters on much older videos got me excited for this series, and they did not disappoint. I'm loving watching you play Rome: Total War.

[@RobertSurber-lw6ze]

So much fun to watch and I thought I knew it all about RTW... 😅 NOT NOW

[@raulrisksitall]

I really want to watch how you screw over the other romans with your cavalry

[@LeonidasOlympia]

Your strategy series are always my favorite. Wish they were either consistently longer or you added another day. Tuesday to Thursday is tolerable, but waiting from Thursday to Tuesday is maddening :(

[@hhhat09]

The battles take too much time tbh. Makes the overall pacing slower. I support two vids when it's Tues / Thurs, and or one longer video when released as you say.

[@KassOtheKing]

John, Wardogs automatically heal as long as their handlers don't die. They're amazing for just throwaway distraction units. Toss in the wardogs, then flank.

[@stalectos]

but does that make them worthy of taking longer to train?

[@josephbelton1890]

Never have to send back to retrain and amazing to run down enemies

[@dewkiddo2328]

Love this series so far! Keep it up!

[@NotASummoner]

MATN RTW and an FBK friend! You've got great taste!

[@TheHongKongHermit]

Thank you for these videos. I'm an old tabletop wargaming nerd but strangely NEVER played a Total War game. Planning to rectify that now, and have the iPad version of this. Your videos have been incredibly informative and entertaining, and a perfect extended tutorial.

[@parsman9914]

Your passion for this game is remarkable. I feel the same way.

[@Rengad3s]

Jon, just wanted to say I love your content, and I'm thoroughly enjoying this series. Looking forward to seeing how it progresses. Don't ever change!

[@dragmire3D]

30:06 Love the backup dance from the soldiers in the back!

[@canadian__ninja]

"Lets do corner fighting because thats cheatyish" (paraphrased) - two minutes later - "Lets set up to take advantage of game mechanics to take out the general and rout army 2" Also, I'm fairly certain the note saying if the army loses all units are destroyed only applies to automatically resolved victories

[@nergalsmom]

Loving these vids, rome total war and barbarian invasion are among the best games ever made. Its really satisfying to listen to someone who actually knows the nitty gritty details about how the game works and not just the average blitz player.

[@lou1958]

It seems every video is getting better. Very good series. I enjoy seeing a pro at work.

[@fergalstackstreams]

"I'm not going to exploit the corner of the battlefield." **proceeds to exploit the corner of the battlefield**

[@seiban8455]

Hannibal was the best at corner glitching. :D

[@dakotacamp7087]

This was amazing. never played a game like this other than Starcraft 2, but I'm really enjoying the series so far. Well done in that battle!

[@meenlord6177]

25:25 they killed all of that tiny group, except the leader (the standard bearer)

[@certifiedcoolguy583]

the standard bearer changes if the current one dies

[@dora3743]

I played this game to death as a child, and yet you're still teaching me so much about it (and with such a passion, too!).

[@Chickidydow]

I am enjoying this series thoroughly. Medieval 2 Total War is probably my most played game on steam, as much as I enjoy the newer titles these classic total war games were perfect. I also never had the chance to play the original Rome so its cool to see it. Its also cool to see you play a game you know a lot about again.

[@Fpinne]

Your skill in this game is 'flippin' bloody' amazing!

[@notbob9865]

Hi Jon, Thanks for making great videos!

[@navarrofamilyproject]

It would be awesome to see a complete the map play through. A run to capture the entire world!

[@xthestrawhat]

Lol that one guy from the 3 person unit fought out hard until the end.

[@DDnufcGamer]

Zayboy108 as much as I wanted his general to survive, I would have laughed my arse off if the one dude who survived 90spears thrown at him from about 10meters away, went on to single handily chop down his general

[@toaofpi]

That was suitably epic. I am quite enjoying this series. Thanks for the video!

[@maxerd]

Pls Jon I simply can't wait another 5 days, pls tell me this will be every other day, 2 per week simply doesn't cut it.

[@lilc202]

When lining up your troops you can hold the space bar to see all your units formations.

[@lilc202]

Also the bloody trait is great because your general will start having speeches about bathing in blood or something.

[@Gorbz]

I've had the computer engage in corner fighting, but only if they besiege one of my cities and I sally out before they have siege engines ready

[@TheTommiiTooWss]

oh a new rome total war video, thats just lovely.

[@zaakoarolikin1643]

Many a true nerd, you have taught me alot, so let me teach you back: then fighting chariots, charge with cavalry in loose formation. Preferbly light auxillia, to weaken them with javalins in advance

[@MeKaNiNjA8]

If I may make a suggestion, prioritize Cavalry. Keep at least 3-4 units of cav in your army, and you'll win easily, even against Phalanxes. I managed to beat a 2500 strong force almost entirely using cav. I used cav to basically swarm their cav units, skirmishers and generals, and when the phalanxes turn to engage the cav, your infantry slam into their backs, almost always routing them, or opening up themselves up for your own cav to flank and rout them.

[@ultimateburrito7037]

Outnumbered 2/1 and Jon just introduced an absolute strategic bitch slapping!

[@doody650]

Loving this series keep it up! Though I'm hella keen for more of your own historical insight. Either way fantastic

[@sangus2425]

21:15 BEST WAY TO HOLD THE SPEAR

[@jaekyungseo5720]

I wish they made maps a circle to prevent cornercamping and create a low slope along the edges so if you decide to line camp then you would have to give up the high ground to the enemy. It would make the game so much more interesting

[@stalectos]

circular maps would be a pain to program (most engines cannot handle circles just polygons with arbitrarily high edge counts that look like circles from a distance) and the only way the low slope thing would work is if battlemaps completely ignored the terrain of the campaign map. besides gotta give new players some way to cheese things in a pinch.

[@johnlogan8822]

Loving this series! Look forward to it a lot.

[@osakasakr1]

Jon, YOU ARE AMAZING !!!!!! Just WOW. Really, seriously.

[@The_Vanguard]

Love this!! I wouldn't mind seeing it as regularly as your fallout vids!

[@Ratich]

By the way guys it's actually based on the number of settlements you have rather your popularity and the settlement requirement changes with the difficulty.

[@timmyg6815]

Damnn you Jon. You have me playing rome total war again all my time has mysteriously disappeared and its christmas

[@spartandud3]

The way running down a routed unit in Rome and Medieval 2 worked is that if a model came into contact with a routing enemy model the enemy would instantly become a casualty. In Empire and onwards the first model has to actually attack the routing model.

[@StekliCujo]

12:36 Enemy center is committed, their wings are routed. Is it time to exploit this opportunity and envelope their center? Nah, let us wait. Jon is the Hanibal of RTW.

[@goodbanter4427]

"Everybody's gotta run!" *leaves hoplites in phalanx mode*

[@spookylemon4947]

Been waiting for this.

[@sratheart17]

Jon, you are aware that if you hold down spacebar you can see the exact location your units are going. Right?

[@sratheart17]

Even if it's not really necessary, it's still a good habit to just do it.

[@TheIbney00]

Whaler he did it in the siege of the battle lol.

[@quillanjacobson1478]

This game is still by far the best total war game. Its honestly just gone downhill, they think we want more and more complicated but the old timey UI and combat is just so good

[@TheEmanExperience]

yes if they can go back to this simple style i'll play again

[@quillanjacobson1478]

If they would just make this game except you actually know how you're relations with other countries are, perfect

[@josephbelton1890]

More complicated what. Less build slots who cares about population because you auto replenish and can recruit even if your settlement got sacked into nothingness. It's gotten dumbed down other than diplomacy which the AI breaks pacts all the time

[@quillanjacobson1478]

More complicated as in you have to build around what the game forces you to do. you want cavalry and infantry in a city? guess what, it either has to make shit for money or be unhappy. You have to plan your army building around sending them off to different territories and shit. You can't plan quick invasions because the unrest is ridiculous and you can't just retrain, you have to sit there while things recover. You have to plan for areas to be high replenishment rate or you have to sit around for ages waiting for armies to recover. You have to manage regions instead of each settlement being isolated. Its dumbed down but in a weird way it makes shit WAY too complicated

[@drmlabs]

really enjoy your History lessons on this game!

[@iKentEven]

If you press space while in a battle you can see where you're troops are going

[@SuperGoldenGhost]

This series is awesome! Keep it up!

[@adamseckel7480]

By the way you can hold space when units are marching to see where they're going on the map. It's good for lining up formations

[@mount4868]

you definetely need to go for the greeks soon though because the longer you leave them alone the more powerful they get at least from my experience.

[@StellariumSound]

30:00 Just a fountain of discarded green shields flying every which way...

[@spagetti001]

this series is seriously better than game of thrones season 8.

[@Serentipiti]

"I'm not gonna fight at the corner cause it's cheap" 5 sec later: proceeds to fight enemy when they can't fight!

[@ryanalley5317]

This is good, more please Jon.

[@Masterkavi]

loving this series!

[@jameshuker56]

I love how the only soldier with the flag looks like he's leading the infantry during the siege of Patavium. XD

[@SnakesRaven]

Thanks man. I recently picked up this game and these vids, apart from being fun to watch, have helped me tremendously. Still getting my ass kicked too much, but ah well, noob's problems :)

[@dr.sharktooth3587]

Great episode!

[@evanscj86]

Jon makes me happy

[@NotASummoner]

I always occupy Patavium leaving the population alone as they have the best growth rate by far. By enslaving them your population growth becomes so much lower. Enslaving Apollonia, Salona and Segestica is good for your population growth though. Just train peasants in Croton and Tarentum.

[@kaleddalek5364]

This series is fantastic love the videos :)

[@bartoszmarcinik494]

"Lovely pile of corpses" instant demonitization

[@PapaFunk]

Love this series!

[@koenkaandorp60]

30:21 their general has died. Lovely.😂😂

[@andrac0]

This series is amazing

[@sportingtm3979]

Your laugh at 30:03 hahahaha! That made my day very good! 😂🤙

[@Wobchicka]

I think you didn't automatically win Patavium in the first battle because the symbol doesn't mean the city surrenders to you if the army loses, just that the army dies if it loses.

[@Sp33dyStallion]

"...But I feel like that would be very cheap and cheaty, so I'm not going to do that" ... Continues to do something equally cheap and cheaty xD

[@loommaster2702]

it took seven hours for this videos notification to come through. not too far over the 30 seconds they promise

[@mythical_warlord6474]

Many a true nerd breeding generals since 2004