I STUFFED UP!! Overloaded my Roof

[@quadallmighty]

The true measure of a man is his ability to stand tall and admit to his mistakes and vow to become better well done

[@terrysmith7740]

I thought it was to do an upload on a Sunday morning while appreciating a good rack.

[@ifell3]

So true, was going to say something the same but true true!!!!

[@gibbethoskins8621]

The controversy leads to more views and attention to the channel anyway, it's not necessarily a negative

[@raynman6466]

Yeah kinda but you don't really have any choice on yt either way

[@4xhoser]

Cheers to that 🤘

[@bradenb]

This whole video is a testament to how much you care about your audience; it makes me trust you even more than I already did.

[@NathanKingOverland]

Hear! Hear! I agree completely

[@TylerThompson90]

Great video mate, covered all the important points. Definitely vital information that everyone needs to be aware of and unfortunately most people are not. Hopefully we can help stop a heap of others ending up in the same predicament/dangerous situation on our roads. Thanks for helping spread the information out there 👌

[@SHOCKcustoms]

Thank you tyler. I read your dialogue with ronny. Initially he brushed off your comments. Having experienced the exact same issue im glad your started the ball rolling to get this sorted. Props to ronny for making good his initial response to you. Cheers mate

[@Phil_McAvity]

On ya mate 👍

[@b3hulk]

Awesome to see he followed up on your comment and video!

[@CycleNLincs]

Good for you Tyler! Getting this out further than your own audience. Obviously sucks for all parties involved but you and Ronny and Rhino rack have possibly made the 4wd scene a safer one.

[@tallan4151]

good on you Tylzz your a legend mate

[@kctan742]

because of Tyler thompson, we learnt the lesson the easy way. thanks Ronny for shining a brighter light on this.

[@brandonspain3483]

Your only human, Don't think to much about it , Your humble and one of the most honest people, I've learned a lot and continue to .

[@lastknownlocation8760]

You’re y-o-u-‘-r-e. There you go. You learnt something else. Ha ha ha

[@bakerbk3696]

Couldn’t agree with you more mate

[@maikokun]

DON'T BE TOO HARD ON YOURSELF, RONNY! You have helped to create an amazing community here along with Tyler, 4WD 24-7, BNB, MCM, ect. Uncovering this roof rack problem is one of the many benefits of being apart of this community. By bringing us together, we all can help and learn from each other. Thank you Ronny!

[@putnamehereholdmadoodle]

4wd 27 are just adds now bro i dont trust them at all

[@FJUH]

Nice to see you admit you stuffed up, then put things right. That’s the way we all learn and we all learn from you, Tyler and other honest, genuine KZbinrs. Much appreciated. Good job Ronny!👍

[@marcdenton2996]

My opinion: Ronny is “the man.” Courage & humility is always the true measure of a human being.

[@MattWilliams-BIGW]

This video has doubled Ronnys already high credibility in my eyes. Excellent information and very refreshing to see someone admit to having stuffed up and acknowledging the learning curve they’ve been through! Awesome video mate!

[@danishalishow]

Ronny you have a huge following amongst offroaders all the way in Pakistan as well, I've learned so much from your videos, thanks as always for the stellar content!

[@jamesmcmillan2656]

The man who never made a mistake never made anything

[@cyclemoto8744]

No mistake was made on Ronny's behalf. The mistake is on Rhino's behalf for not being transparent about their products which are not fit for purpose. Or maybe it's intentional.

[@braydenfrancis8214]

@@cyclemoto8744 to say rhino "unintentionally" only give you means to this info in the fitting instructions, which most people dont read till they buy it and are throwing it on the vehicle, is bullshit at it's finest. they know they'd have no market if people knew how the load ratings were calculated.

[@chrisjie2127]

​@@cyclemoto8744 I just looked at another brand to test the theory and it was bloody hard to find the specifications as well. It seems to be an industry wide problem.

[@cyclemoto8744]

@@chrisjie2127 Only brand I found which lists the off road rating is Front Runner

[@jamesmcmillan2656]

@@cyclemoto8744 Ronny’s mistake was dismissing the negative reviews as the 3 percenters hence the title I stuffed up.

[@fromlove111]

This is the number one reason I'm subscribed and follow you......You're straight forward, there's no bullshit, and your integrity, which if was questioned earlier there should be no doubts now. Much respect!

[@peterbott1877]

This will also be good for Tylers channel. He deserves more subs.

[@chriscartwright9546]

Ronny. Your best video yet. It is fundamental that we all learn from this, your honest reflection and learning are spot on. By sharing this you have earned greater respect from me and I believe many others. You stand up for your own mistake, when in all honesty many others would gloss over the issue. Thank you and well done!

[@firetofork]

Mate I honestly don’t think I have ever looked up my rack load rating on any 4wd I have ever owned until I got a new one and realised how bloody low they are and how confusing it all is. Massive thanks to Tyler for giving us the heads up and well done for swallowing your pride and putting this up. Many would have denied or ignored it for sponsorship money. Also feeling pretty smug with my Front Runner rack 😂

[@bigt73100]

Harry what’s for dinner tonight 🍻

[@SHOCKcustoms]

Harry, im a subscriber to you, tyler and ronny. Ive also experienced the rhino rivets sheering so know first hand how bad the mounting system is. I too highly recommend the frontrunner system, after having experienced the rhino failure. Something MUST be done by rhino to remedy this potentially lethal mounting system

[@k2svpete]

So, did you talk Ronny into a Front Runner rack?

[@CYBRUTE]

Pretty damn stoked the Fire to Fork channel opened my eyes to the front runner rack right when I purchased a “land cruiser“ mall crawler + new rack. Safe to say the only limit I had to worry about was the McDonald’s 2.2m drive through limit. Cheers Harry & Fred 👏

[@samperrin1704]

I've got no respect for Rhino, spending upwards of $1500 to get a rack with an off road capacity of less than 30 kg is a disgrace and rhino should be ashamed.

[@zealman79]

you may as well drive with your left hand and your right hand holding on to the gas bottle on top. on second thoughts....

[@sergeant5848]

To be fair, it's not completely Rhino's fault. Passenger vehicles aren't designed to carry loads on the roof. The roof rails can only hold so much before, as Tyler experienced, the fasteners rip right out. What's the point of putting a 500kg rated roof rack on, when the roof fixing point can only hold 50kg off road? The only way around it is to install internal roll bars and attach to them through the roof metal. I do agree Rhino's public relations exercise was disappointing.

[@NB-ir1me]

Dude I have a Volkswagen and the off-road capacity with the bars and rack is still 140 pounds lol this has more to do with the truck manufacturer. Read your trucks owners manual before buying aftermarket accessories

[@h82fail]

@@NB-ir1me Same, have a 4door VW Golf that has the big bolts under the door rubber molding going right into the chassis that the roof rack supports attach to. Then I watch these videos where people say like roof tents are not safe because the roof sheet metal can only hold so much - I think if you buy a SUV/truck etc where the roof rack is not attached to the chassis then that is your own problem...

[@typ044]

@@NB-ir1me Indeed, and just being appatanty ly unaware of the difference in static vs dynamic loads.

[@Peter-xtreme]

Huge respect Ronny for doing this video, and a huge thank you to Tyler Thompson for bringing this to our attention in the first place.

[@richardkd3048]

This speaks volumes of who you are as a person. Really appreciate the amount of thought and feelings you put into owning your mistake. I wouldn't have thought twice about loading what you had on the Hilux.

[@dancotter7050]

TT boy. Good on you Ronny for taking notice and playing a straight bat.

[@kushil]

💯.. everyone stuff up. It's how you feel with. Well-done Ronny

[@cyclemoto8744]

@@kushil I don't see how he stuffed up. Have a look at the Rhino website and look at the specs on the racks. No mention of "deduct 1/3 of the weight carrying capacity for off road use". Happy to be proven wrong, however, I looked, and the information is not there.

[@graemetowner7257]

@@cyclemoto8744 i agree its not as obvious as you would expect, but it does say in the instruction / install manual, bit late once your purchased i might add, but manufactures and accessories are based on sealed roads, not this crazy off road stuff we do.

[@cyclemoto8744]

@@graemetowner7257 yep, much too late. Like buying a 4wd only to find after the fact that it's only designed for 4wd use on a golf green.

[@AaronConcepcion]

You did all the right stuff. Makes you alot credible of a resource person when it comes to overlanding equipment testing and usage. Accepting one's fault is a sign of true manliness.

[@LandRoverDrive]

We all stuff up, at home, at work or as content creators. Admitting it and apologizing for it is the hard part. ✊ You really set the standard for the rest of us creators when it comes to credibility, so you got nothing to worry about. 👍😊 Glad the roof rack is getting sorted. Stay safe. Simon 🇳🇴

[@jonathanchick7667]

good on ya Ronny, good to see one of the "big creators" standing up and being able to admit they were wrong and not just bully everyone out of their way, so much respect for you!

[@97MrFluffy]

Our Boy Tyler making an impact on the big boys on KZbin, good to see you made this video explaining everything mate, I haven't looked at the comments but I almost made a comment about it as well but sounds like you got the idea 😅

[@TheLucifah]

As soon as he said roof rack I remembered Tyler’s video on the same

[@theplumberfisherman7220]

The true measure of a man is the acceptance of making a mistake, the means by which he goes about rectifying and fixing the issues caused by that mistake. It's a credit to you mate being able to admit you were wrong, most of us have too much pride to do such.

[@nosignal88]

you and tyler should do a trip, he seems like a top bloke

[@kieron3676]

He is. Down to earth next door neighbor type of a guy. Not exciting but f*cking honest and fun to watch.

[@poeyd9624]

Absolutely

[@Sirrammt]

Mate, this sort of honesty and no crap approach is why I've been watching and will be watching more of your vids. You got it wrong but owned it. Well said. Great vid.

[@Phil_McAvity]

Yup Tyler Thompson definitely opened my eyes to loading my roof rack 👍

[@NathanKingOverland]

I really appreciate the honesty here. And the fact that you gave the company a chance to respond to you and speak with you. That’s the way everyone should be.

[@Michael_Mears]

Good man, Ronny. People need to know this. Tyler's video was an eye-opener for me.

[@brianhummel8659]

Ronnie, you’re still at the top my list for 4WD content! Own a Wrangler so the rack sits on the tub, but everything you share is appreciated! Cheers from the USA

[@notjohnwick007]

Roof top tent makers are nervously while watching this video😂

[@jamesgozzo7860]

they are sweating bullets 😂

[@toddboddington]

Yeah for sure. Exactly my thoughts.

[@thedon7530]

Thanks for the heads-up on the roof rack issue. Also respect your honesty and great effort to quickly rectify your error. Good to see people taking responsibility for their content like this.

[@PuttJattanDa1993]

Hey Ronny, only just getting into 4WDing and your channel has been my go to source for information. Props for owning up to the mistake, only further increases your credibility!! Thanks for the quality content

[@Breno_Piece]

well done Ronny. nothing wrong with being humble and admitting when a mistake is made. big respect for putting this up and making it right. it certainly saved me some time and money.

[@RoamOverlanding]

A big reason I sold my Jimny, is because I couldnt confidently tell people to do the same setup because I knew how dangerous it was... My Roofrack was more than capable of handling it, but the actual weight of the accessories on it was just too damn much! Now I get people asking for advice about Jimny's still and I have to explain to them not to follow in my tracks. We have a huge responsibility as content creators, I have learnt that through these lessons! xD

[@Malc664]

You have a strong canopy now. 👍👍

[@RoamOverlanding]

@@Malc664 For sure; I am MUCH more confident in my new setup, the vehicle feels so much safer.

[@RoamOverlanding]

@Shaun McCarthy I think if I proved anything in that time; its that the roof load capacity is high; but the vehicle stability was horrible.

[@RoamOverlanding]

@Shaun McCarthy Oh for sure; and having more mounting points to also distribute the load helps. Something I must say about my rack on the Hilux at the moment; is that Eezi awn actually install an aluminium gutter, which is glued and riveted onto the roof which 8 rivets; then the roof racks feet are mounted to that gutter. To me this allows the rack to use the entire gutter to distribute load; instead of just the rivets. It may not look as nice or slick as other racks, mounting solutions, but its solid.

[@vytas5584]

Don't take it too seriously man, its not your fault if people choose to overload their roofs

[@davidtesar8195]

Ronny, don't call this situation a debacle. I understand you feel bad, but don't. Thanks to your experience AND this video, you saved so many cars, money, and maybe lives. Respect.

[@rastus555]

Tyler Thompson covered this really well

[@chrisjie2127]

it's a huge problem if 2 guys who do this for a living made the same mistake.

[@Loribyn]

@@chrisjie2127 Two _young_ guys -- this is well known to us older bushies and off-road enthusiasts. But then, it used to be mentioned in your owner's-manual (I can't say if they still do that, but they did up until at least the early '90s).

[@kieron3676]

Did the manufacturer of the vehicle specify the on- and off-road load capacity? Or the rack manufacturers?

[@bradenb]

@@Loribyn I don't feel like age has anything to do with it. The math isn't hard; the problem is that we're learning we can't trust the numbers thrown at us at face value.

[@nickstormonth3237]

Pretty much exactly what my local roof rack dealer said. Reason why I didn't get a rack. Just glad he told me and didn't sell me something that would've been a waste of money. Great vid Ronny!

[@cameronstone8190]

After watching i have checked my prado 2018 which has a pioneer rack and backbone and there is no doubt I have overloaded that thing. Thanks for the video. Keep it up

[@nextleveladventuresau]

Despite the controversy surrounding your last video, I think that as a fellow creator and long time follower, that the quality of your content Ronny has improved 10 fold. Just from the changing camera angles to lighting and some really nice shots offroad and of course editing. Really good to see you and Tyler met each other, unfortunate of the conditions but you both are big inspirations to how I create myself. Keep it up mate. Cheers Ryan

[@MrLoridin]

Ronny this is an excellent and genuine way to respond to the last video and the issues arising from it. Thank you, this is why you get the support you do and why you are by far the best Aussie 4wd content creator. Your integrity has stood out in the past and this is another shining example of why we trust you.

[@stevekeenes4030]

It takes a humble man to admit a mistake, well done Ronny. Tyler thanks for making us more aware of the dangers we didn't realise we faced. Cheers fellas.

[@hami9482]

People are still failing to understand its not the rack that's the limiting factor. Its the roof. You have x amount of weight the roof can handle minus the weight of the rack minus the load on the rack then divide by x for offroad. There is also a maximum load height for roofs also.

[@ooaqici82qb4ip]

Yeah I’ve had dealings with the state manager of rhino rack wa and I can say the man is nothing short of brilliant. He came out to fix a problem generated by a repair shop and he went above and beyond what he should have done. This isn’t a paid review but an honest feedback of this mans dedication to what he does. When I buy my next car he’s got my business

[@SlitWalk]

Your credibility was never in doubt mate! You made a mistake, owned up to it and educated your own and other viewers 🤙🏽 you’re a legend!!

[@nikolailu]

This is one of the most important videos I've seen in a long while regarding off road safety! Thank you)

[@roamnround]

Big up to you Ronny, Tyler alone was making a great stand for more information after all his problems, but having yourself come on as well after the last video and with your backing it will go a long way! We are humans mate and you are still a legend! P.S love the Lux!

[@jamieb741]

I'm from England, I've got a Toyota Rav4 2012 D4d. Yes , you're right - I had to look at the specs of a Halfords roof rack to confirm load rating. Just 25kg ! Just enough for 2 mountain bikes ! I was shocked... All the best.

[@baumie461]

Thanks to Tyler Thompson 👍😉

[@rastus555]

Yes he did the same roof rack fell off at Fraser Island pop rivets aren't strong enough

[@landcruiserv8vicadventrure627]

Tyler has great content 👌 good stuff Ronnie. Thanks for the info

[@beardedaussiehunter6135]

@@rastus555 the pop rivets are strong enough it’s the thin roof metal that isn’t strong enough I though?

[@my19ranger76]

He makes good clips.

[@aron2199]

@@beardedaussiehunter6135 YES, the system is only as strong as the weakest link - it's how the rivets are being used in this situation - saying the pop rivets are strong enough misses the point

[@garyschrader8633]

My respect for you was very high, now after seeing this video I have even more respect. Thank you for what you do which is give factual off road advice. Take care.

[@benlavale]

Thanks for bringing this to everyone’s attention! Don’t know why so many brands of all 4x4 products do not display their weights or weight loadings, extremely frustrating as it’s such important information!

[@rodandgun396]

I have watched a number of your KZbin videos and found them very entertaining and informative . I think it takes great courage to say you were wrong and do what you think is in the best interest of your family , friends and audience. Good work Ronny.

[@CrazyGreek80]

I thought somebody died that's how serious Ronny was.

[@Justinjames1986]

lmao

[@trevormerivale6882]

I know you are just playing but honestly it is a fatality waiting to happen if people don't know about it actually being an issue. So if you think about it, it's better that he is very serious for a very serious matter with such horrific potential outcomes. If it saves 1 life it's worth the seriousness. But again I know you are just joking and probably aware of what I just wrote so I don't even know why I'm sending this 🤣

[@tracynorton6410]

we still here. one of best lessons on rig building . fundamentals. the best designers screw up the most, learn from it, and publish the outcomes. thank you Ronny for making this channel.

[@mikedebeer5368]

You would expect a rack to be manufactured to meet the maximum capacity of the vehicle it’s built for, on or off road. Thanks for being accountable and honest, appreciate your videos

[@MinimaDomum]

Even if it did he would still be overloaded by toyotas max rating, the roof itself isnt strong enough for all the shit most people put up there these days

[@graemetowner7257]

they are rated higher, its the vehicle capacity thats the issue, you need to understand static weight, dynamic rate and off road weight, they are all different

[@RedImaginationbyGG]

TT really rock the boat in a good way. And Ronny, hats off to you for making this video response mate. You both potentially have saved so many lives! Respect!!!

[@rhyno6116]

Well done for taking the lesson and not letting your pride get in the way. Tons of respect.

[@jeffjones4006]

Hi from the US, I greatly appreciate your honesty and your high standards, keep them up many people (worldwide) don’t have a clue about products in an off-road setting. Love your channel, keep it going.

[@k2svpete]

Good on you Ronny, old fashioned integrity is alive and well.

[@Mattcamel51]

I'm glad you made this video. I believe safety is the main priority that I see too many people ignorant of. If you hadn't have made this video I would have discontinued watching your channel. I believe you are continuing to put out a good message and hopefully your influence makes its way to manufacturers.

[@dant2415]

Very informative Ronny, thanks Tyler for sharing your story!! Welcome back Michael from SEEK ADVENTURE! Another WA local KZbinr inspiring us to get out there!

[@scubareuben]

Is Seek Adventure back!?

[@dant2415]

@@scubareuben 1 video so far, sounds like he is keeping it casual. If he does post in the future????

[@scubareuben]

Completely understand why he stopped but it killed me as I’d only just bought by first ever 4wd and discovered him literally a month before he said he was giving it away. Loved his presentation style and genuine approach. Fingers crossed hey.

[@jimbojones2457]

This is why i've followed you for years Ronny. Not because you know everything. No one does. But because you're transparent and honest. You own up to mistakes made on your behalf and even others! Your content is pure and that's what people want. Because if it's pure, it brings us all closer together. And not divide us. On roof racks......it's one thing i will NEVER fit on my vehicle. I drive a 79 dual cab like yours. Forget what brand it is. It's a piece of metal clamped or bolted to a sheetmetal roof of a moving vehicle. With things mounted to it. In my opinion all roof racks are dangerous, especially in an accident. I just don't see the sense in them. And as you stated, weight up high is a big no no especially when 4 wheel driving.

[@russellwyborn3667]

Well said, honesty and humble best policy anda great thank you to Tyler Thompson for his findings and channel natural to the heart.

[@adcolt6863]

Mate, we all make mistakes. You have admitted yours and helped us all out. I watched your original video, I have a 2020 Hilux and I am keen on a roof rack and hopefully I’ve learned from yours and Tyler’s video as well. Kudos to you and thanks.

[@buryitdeep]

When they tell you 100kg in big letters and 55kg "offroad" halfway down the page then that is misleading marketing it's as simply as that. Especially when you are dropping $1600 on supposedly the best. Rhino racks are failing as easily as Chinese knockoffs and I'm glad they are being called out.

[@tonymiller5841]

> halfway down the page halfway down the page THAT YOU READ AFTER YOU PAID FOR IT. It's in freaking fitting instructions, who read them when making a purchasing decision? They know they've got no market with bloody 40 kilos (or even less) of load for 2k worth accessory.

[@danielhill136]

ARB shares just went down

[@tyik]

@@tonymiller5841 It seems that having cross bars instead of a platform will gain more load rating.

[@fallout4live918]

I’m a dreaded Wrangler guy and from the US, but I always watch your videos on gear and advice. Great job and we’re still with you!!! Cheers

[@SHOCKcustoms]

Big thanks to Tyler Thompson. I read your reply to him Ronny. I didnt think it was very gracious initially.. Glad you have remedied it now. Having had my rhino rack shear off im very familiar with the rivets shearing. Rhinos mounting system MUST BE CHANGED TO ENSURE SAFETY FOR ALL!!!! NO MORE RIVETS. Go the frontrunner and stainless bolts

[@TheDavidCollett]

Are you suggesting that your RR sheered off whilst adhering to RR's off-road weight limits??

[@jeep6242]

@@TheDavidCollett RR off road weight limits are so ridiculous the rack fails on it's basic premise and intended use case for 80% of buyers. It's a moot point. Every trade show pic and 3rd party vendor has these racks displayed grossly overweight. RR burying the specs in the instructions isn't an accident it's a strategy.

[@fm71450]

All the way from the USA - thank you for taking the time to explain this so clearly. We need to take all of this into consideration for our Jeep. Thanks!

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

I am still surprised this is not common knowledge but its great to see people covering it!

[@ShoeysAdventures]

It’s too complicated they sell them with the maximum rating so you think we are all good.

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

@@ShoeysAdventures When I was researching mine I checked all the load ratings then my roof rating and I always deduct the amount of the roof rack off, which leaves you total load amount I wasn't aware of the offroad rating but this seems to be different with every rack.

[@ShoeysAdventures]

@@4x4CampingandAdventures exactly it’s bloody complicated, Craig used to work for autobarn and tells me the off-road rating applies to the roof not the rack, so what is it?

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

@@ShoeysAdventures buggered if I know I always stuck to only putting light items up there hence the awning and solar panel shower awning that’s it

[@volvogt21]

And commenters are still missing the point that the roof of the vehicle has the rating that is most important. I agree that it is astounding that this is not common knowledge.

[@l.nassah6728]

Hats off to you sir! Your experience has taught many of us and made us aware of a very important aspect that most didn't know. Thank you very much. Keep it up

[@josbonnie8857]

Ronny - how I read the RhinoRack instructions, the 1.5 safety factor is applied to the rack's load limit, not the car's roof max carrying capacity. You mentioned yourself that the car's roof limit is 75 kg on and off road. In your example the off road rating would be 32 kg (48/1.5) instead of 23 kg (75/1.5 - 27). It makes it slightly better.

[@davidr7236]

Saved me a comment.

[@bryanbaldwin6440]

Agree...but still not much

[@onewaytikt]

Agree

[@JoeTirone]

Already one of my favorite channels and this just reinforces my trust in your channel and your credibility. Thank you for this content!

[@roguetrail]

oh wow. I actually fixed seeing Tyler Thompson video and yours was the next suggested one. And I was going to write that you should see Tyler's video, but 1- didn't think you would actually read the comment. 2-I don't even have a 4wd... yet. For some reason, I already give you a lot of credibility, this video just increases it.

[@frankchris_camping4x4]

Good to see the complete honesty and care you have for others out there. In my opinion it makes me happy as a viewer to see such honest content come from you. Great work champ.

[@robmem11]

Good video Ronny, 👍🏻 Don’t be too hard on yourself, personally. You made a unfortunate purchase decision, like we all do sometimes. In your case it just has such a great impact because your reach is so big. The way you dealt with the situation goes great lengths showing your character, honesty and ethics. 💪🏻💪🏻

[@xeviuus]

Good stuff. 99.99% of us had no idea about the roof rack stuff. It’s random facts that unless something happens to someone in a very unfortunate situation, not many would know. I always liked your content. Even from USA I think you help out a lot of people with your videos. On to next!

[@cjackett5791]

It’s a tough gig getting the right setup. I’ve got the same rack as the one in question here, pride myself on my research, but had no idea about this issue. Well done mate, appreciate your honesty and falling on the sword👍✊

[@jonniemela3661]

Good on You Ronny for bringing up this issue and admitting you over looked it, just like most of us have done. In saying that roof rack manufactures should take more responibilty in informing the true load ratings, CLEARLY !

[@tallan4151]

Well swallowed mate, much respect. It takes a lot to eat the humble pie great video

[@kitvickrose]

Good for Rhino-Rack for taking proactive approach to resolve the problem, and to make information clearer.

[@Bert_Brenner]

Appreciate tat, thanks for this clarification. This shows to me, that even a professional who surely has done a lot of research can be a victim of this marketing/hidden specification trap. PS: In Germany the roof load limit of the Hilux is 50kg, looks like steel in Australia is much more robust. :)

[@happyknife8785]

Ronny - I bet very few people also know this. If the Hilux’s “roof load limit” is 75kg this also includes anything you put on the “canopies roof” because its not just about weight on the roof specifically, its about “overall weight above the height of the vehicle” which alters its centre of gravity.

[@mailbradm]

Im still a bit confused. Vehicle rating is 75kg x 66% = 50kg Roof rack is 100kg x 66% = 66kg The weakest link is the roof of the lux. How does changing roof rack improve the load rating? Unless the new roof rack is lighter than the current one?

[@SocialContractActual]

It might be a type of headache rack with a roof overhang. Still looking for something like this for my Tundra but can only find them for Ford superduty trucks for some reason.

[@dillydoopsta6090]

I've always used the rhino HD bars. I have awning, max trax and light bar and little platform for loading up firewood,chainsaw, swag if need be. Not as fancy looking as the pioneer platform and doesn't have the various rhino brackets but heaps of different C channel brackets that fit used in construction.

[@peterhasendonckx6314]

Waw! What An eye opener! Saves me from making the same mistake!

[@Brucesmith101]

I purchased a rhino basket, read the fitting instructions and the load rating were stated very clearly. Helps to read the instructions.

[@Sthilboy56]

Good on yay for having the integrity to correct yourself 👍

[@hansheulu]

Hey! Ronny Don’t get discouraged! You are great! You did what you should do! A responsible man~ I support you from Taiwan

[@anthonymurphy6529]

100% Fefreshing to see someone admit to having stuffed up

[@JimStepsride]

I just learned something. I am glad you have this channel and voice in the offroad community.

[@stephenbloomer567]

You can tell a lot about a person by how they act when things go wrong. 👍

[@DarranT]

Hey Ronny, Great video. Everybody makes mistakes, its how you deal with them that counts. You've owned it, learnt from it and shared it so we can learn from it. You provide so much value through your work, a few mistakes now and then do not impact your credibility in any way. Love your work. Keep it up!

[@stevem4468]

Class action time maybe? I was told 100kg by installer, 23kg isn’t worth anything

[@loganholmberg2295]

Class action who? The manufacture has that info out there and they are not trying to hide it. So what go after 3rd party resellers who fudge some numbers by using ones that aren't specific to the Hilux while at the same time not actually saying its specific to the Hilux? Good luck. Also remember laws very country to country so depending where you buy from so consumer protection laws in that country may not have your back at all.

[@easyauslife]

@@loganholmberg2295 the way I understood it was the rack it's self have a rating of 100 kg on road and minus 33 % off road bringing that to 66 kg . Then with the load limit of 75kg both on and off road for the car minus the weight of the rack. there is no difference . If they have based the off road load capacity based on the two thirds of the rate loading of the car as Ronnie is including in his calculations then that information is not out there and the previously published information was misleading

[@lukeagex]

I was also told 100kg by an installation shop.

[@stevem4468]

@@loganholmberg2295 I’ve got info from them saying that it is capable of 100kg Check the law bud

[@oldbloke204]

@@loganholmberg2295 Really? I have been looking for this info and it is very difficult to find. Even after knowing about this, and being advised by my supplier that the off road limit is a reduction of 15%, I can't find the info. that Ronny has presented on here. The only place that I can find mention of it is that they say it is in the fitment instructions. Bit late by then isn't it? Endless pictures of these racks loaded up with off road gear and plenty of chat about being an Australian Quality brand but I can't find this reduction number anywhere else.

[@NobodyOwesYouAnythin]

Thank you fir your honesty. We all make mistakes. This video helped me to realize my vehicle’s true maximum rooftop capacity, by telling me the Key Words to look for. Thank you.

[@sandybarnes887]

I saw a link to you on John Cadogan's report about rhino racks. Thx for your important video

[@customcraftnadventure]

Thx for this message Ronny. It doesn't really take much to overload a roof rack at all. I have recently completed my build, but now I immediately noticed I overloaded my roof too. Thanks again Ronny (and Tyler). New build soon for me lol.

[@desmondboorman6798]

According to the Rhino Rack fitting sheet, the calculation should be: Onroad Limit = Vehicle Limit - Rack System Mass and Offroad Limit = Onroad Limit/1.5 Using the figures you gave for your vehicle and rack system, this gives: Onroad Limit = 75 - 27 = 48 kg (the same as you calculated) but the Offraod Limit is then: 48/1.5 = 32 kg not the 23 kg your calculations give.

[@leonwakefield7285]

Desmond Boorman Either way,it's too low a weight for traveling off road.

[@poeyd9624]

32kgs is bananas for a $2000 product

[@r3ndszergazda]

The Rhino website/manual says offroad cargo rating = (vehicle load rating/1.5)-rack. So (75/1.5)-27 = 23

[@cm3230]

Humble and honest, what more could viewers ask for ... credibility++. Plenty of Rangers with tub roller shutters mounted with brand roof racks all loaded up. A few may now be reconsidering their load out. Fun, well produced and informative vids mate, keep them coming!

[@mountainconstructions]

Oh yes Every Rhino Rack on our Simpson Crossing.... broke... and broke again and again until we got back on road

[@shanefraser1054]

Should have bought a Tracklander.

[@mountainconstructions]

@@shanefraser1054 I had a steel rack, was stronger than the Landcruiser.

[@GB-cm6yy]

Itook my Rhino Rack across 7000kms out to Uluru via William Creek and back through the Simpson loaded with a oof top tent, max tracks, chainsaw and it didnt miss a beat. That's not to cast doubt on your experience or the off road rating discussion either.

[@4bnewb969]

Did the racks break? Or was it the mounting that was the issue ?

[@mountainconstructions]

@@4bnewb969 mostly the mounting hardware... lots of truck straps used to fix. I'll add, I was warned by a Rhino Dealer not to use the alloy rack for our intended trip once he heard where we were going. So I got a steel rack for the trip and removed once home.

[@footprintsandtyretracks]

I’m so glad you guys (you & Tyler) are addressing this issue and bringing it to everyone’s attention. As someone who used to sell Rhino Rack products, there are a lot of people out there who are misinformed on their roof rack carrying capacity. They see rated for 60kg or rated for 75kg etc (roof bars clamp style, track style, platforms on legs, platforms with backbones etc etc) after being on the Rhino Rack website and figure they can throw a heap of stuff up there and go off-road and it’ll be right. Unfortunately it’s not that simple and the fine print needs to be read to fully understand what they are actually capable of carrying & unfortunately is hidden and not easy to find - as you said it needs to be on EVERY product page on their website that they sell that goes on the roof as a carrying aid. I had a lot of shit over getting rid of my tray and swapping for the tub and putting a tub rack on for the roof top tent and a lot of comments were you should have put your roof top tent on your roof platform. No. Putting 60kg tent on my roof to a platform (as well as my darche 180 awning plus the weight of the rack) that is attached to rails that are held in by like 5 rivets on each side to my roof that the metal is so thin on it’s be a disaster. I’d have ended up in Tyler’s situation.The amount of times I’ve had to explain all this. And another note - people need to check their bolts etc are tight. Mine were coming loose and had to put a dab of locktite on them. I also always keep the tool (like a security bit Allen key) in my car just in case it comes loose while I’m away.