335: Issues With Long Range Hunting

[@10-4CodyWade]

I had an antelope hunt recently and I practiced shooting out to 550 yards. My rifle was shooting well under MOA at that distance and I was confident in my abilities as well. On the second day of my hunt I had a decent buck present a shot at 375 yards. I thought, "That's a chip shot!" I set up a front rest on my tripod and took a sitting shot at the antelope standing broadside. Missed him clean. Fortunately for me he stayed around the area and I was able to reacquire him at 125 yards and seal the deal. I learned a lesson from this experience. Practice at all distances from 50 yards to your max range. And don't get over-confident! 375 is still a pretty long shot so I should have taken more time to set up prone, or at least figure out a more steady position than I had. Long range will vary for each hunter (even archery hunters take long range shots these days) but we need to be practicing with our weapons in order to become proficient. Kinda funny how most bow hunters shoot hundreds of arrows every year to hone their skills but a rifle hunter shoots 1 shot to verify his zero and says, "I think I'm good!"

[@Dfleuryoutdoors]

Yup hunting and target practice are completely different. I practice out to a 1000 yards , not that I would ever shoot that far at an animal. One day a ground hog came out at 400 yards and I hit him perfect on the first shot . I figured if I can do that I can hit a deer that far no problem. Few weeks later I had a buck at 300 yards. I was sitting in a box blind resting on the window sill and I couldn't hold steady enough to feel confident in the shot. Luckily I was able to use my shooting sticks under the stock to give me 2 points of contact. Then I felt perfectly stable and made a good shot. 300 yards at the range and 300 yards in the field are completely different.

[@jasonweishaupt1828]

If archers can get within 50, no reason why a rifleman can’t get within 300.

[@ranchodeluxe1]

I'd be keeping that story to myself.

[@yingtzu3677]

As a non hunter I enjoy your videos. The wisdom I have gained through your insight have been practical, thoughtful, and entertaining. Please keep up excellent work

[@AverageHouseHusband]

Limiting myself to 200 yard's. I would loose too much sleep over maiming or loosing an animal.

[@45-70Guy]

Some people don’t realize how sick they will feel when they wound an animal until they do it, the confidence level is normally the highest on the first experience. I do take a great satisfaction of only taking shot where I’ve been able to 1 shot kill my game,( though my longest shot is maybe 100 yards) but I had a friend who took a 200 yard shot, ( or so he thought ) and wounded a deer. Told me it was the most sickening feeling he ever had.

[@johnnash5118]

Hi Ron, I pointed out on a recent episode that “long range” hunting can also be unethical when the shooter doesn’t know diddly squat about bullet composition and its limitations, bullet minimum terminal velocity requirements for adequate penetration and expansion, bullet sectional density to match the game hunted, what’s at the bottom of the draw or canyon, can the stream be crossed (I’m in Oregon btw.) There’s so much more to consider to ethically hunt over punching holes in paper targets. Your limits should be limited to the bullet’s limits. Have a nice day! Btw, I got my BLM Blacktail on the last day of the season.

[@jasonweishaupt1828]

I didn’t know deer were members of BLM! J/K! 😂

[@Leif1963]

Firearms are a tool that is used at the end of a hunt- successfully or otherwise. If you are relying on the firearm to succeed you aren't hunting- you are shooting. Back in the day we dilineated between shooting game and hunting game. I know of a lot of shooters who can sit in a box stand and pull a trigger but couldn't hunt if they had to. Hunting is a highly involved and skilled sport that generally takes years to get good at. I live in the east and have killed only one buck that required a shot over 75yds. In 44 years I've harvested over 50 deer and I can say that the best ones weren't huge but the process required time, patience and acquired skill. Love and respect wildlife, pass on the time honored process.Please keep beating that drum Ron. The gun is the least important tool- the accumulated experience and the ability to use it are indispensable.

[@JamesJones-cx5pk]

Down here in Mississippi we have fields big enough to shoot as far as you want. I've killed 2 does at 400 yards over 45 years of hunting(just because I had practiced and wanted to test my rifle). Bucks down here don't usually stand around in fields. All of the biggest bucks I've killed or missed have been within 100 yds.👍

[@robertotto5811]

This is a more realistic hunting scenario for most people.

[@eddybear771]

Thank Ya Bud. I'll have a look into those Hammer bullets. I've heard You mention them a few times, & haven't come across them yet. Love the show, & after finding out that KZbin unsubscribed me for a spell, I had to come back & catch up. & Happy Thanksgiving to you & your family.

[@jacquesmaree2178]

Hi Ron, show us your prophy room, or photo's on all I mean all your hunts. You just made me very quarries.. love your podcasts and other video's

[@jefferywilliams7687]

Very well said about the long range shooting and recovery. I used OnX for the 1st time this year. Love the ability to put in compass mode and also drop pins & Waypoints. After my granddaughter shot across a canyon in NM. I also took a. Photo by myself putting my cell camera on top of her rifle scope. Greatly assisted in recovery. It was a youth hunt and I did not want us to separate. After about 30 to 45 min found the bull. She is 13 years old and killed a public land 6X8 that net scored 373.75. Out was so great making the memories and sharing all the knowledge and skills on the hunt. By the way, she shot him at 250 yards off of stick on the morning of the last day of the hunt with a 7mm Weatherby Magnum with 160 Accubonds at 3,200 FPS.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks for the excellent tips. And congratulations to you and that young hunter! Well done.

[@wilberfifer5563]

Thank you Ron, You best take Covey out and get a couple Ring Necks for dinner, Take Care

[@tjlink434]

Hey Ron on the topic of shotguns with tight chokes and hard shot most modern shotguns and chokes (especially ones designed for turkey hunting) easily handle the stress and pressures. Personally I hunt with a .410, 3 inch chamber, 23in barrel, 9.5 shot tss, and a Jebs xxfull choke tube and I get great patternes out to 40 yards.

[@Cjtarinelli]

Hi Ron, Whenever people compare you to the legendary Jack O'Connor, you always very humbly deflect the compliment, so I am going to try saying this a little differently - I think you are BETTER than old Jack, and here's why: Yes, O'Connor was a true pioneer in hunting journalism and the chief promoter of the .270 Win. He hunted all over the world and with his writing, brought sport hunting into the spotlight for the average American for the first time. BUT ... he had a bit of a reputation for being a little big-headed and opinionated, even difficult to get along with by some standards. You are just not like that. You respect everyone's opinion and even welcome criticism. You can laugh at yourself and instruct the rest of us at the same time without feeling threatened by folks who differ with you. Your easy-going nature leaves Jack in the dust. Keep up the good work! Chuck Tarinelli

[@mattevans-koch9353]

Thank you Ron for another great evening of sensible and enjoyable gun and hunting talk. Have a great evening and a wonderful Thanksgiving.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thank you Matt. I'm giving thanks this year for health, family, and my wonderful community of on-line friends . Peace.

[@scruffyarms]

Hey Ron, I can vouch for the new Remington 700 line I have an SPS Tactical that has a Houge stock and Timney trigger that came stock. It shot the smallest group I have ever gotten and is quickly becoming my favorite rifle. It is in your favorite caliber too the .308😂

[@LilyRose-l6l]

Good pod cas

[@beardedrancher]

Great Channel. Uncle Ron always makes good content.

[@drocfox9771]

Just ask aram von about the issue of long range hunting 😅 He really made a fool of himself

[@bobkat1663]

Great Show Ron.

[@hoglefish]

Excellent comments on long range shooting! 500 yards and closer.

[@leonhart2452]

I've got a Rem 725. I went on the web site to see if it qualifies for the rebate deal they had. They were giving out $5 gift certificates to use in their online merch site.

[@glockparaastra]

300-400m would be my max but from a steady rest. Walk and stalk with off the shoulder shots I would not risk further than 150m. Just get closer!

[@45-70Guy]

It’s more fun close up too. Last week I tagged a 171 pound white tail at 10 yards stalking. I Came in off a skid road, into the Fir tree wall, and he came out behind a blow down curiously grunting. Makes for a more personal experience I think when we get in close to interact with the animal and “hunt” them. 300-400 yards used to be a maximum for hunting and even that is a long shot for an animal even if it’s an easy shot, but an animal is very less skiddish at the longer distance.

[@jefffultz3805]

Great videos, always watch.

[@gregoryashcroft9646]

Hi Ron, I enjoyed your podcast, particularly the part about the pitfalls of long range shooting at wild game. I also noted that you seem reluctant to discuss it due to repercussions from the long range shooters. What I would like to see is a full discussion of this topic from the perspective of when it may be okay to take a long shot, and what is needed to do that safely and to be assured of a clean kill. I can think of few worse outcomes than a wounded animal that gets away and is wasted. What I mean is a frank discussion of cartridges, weather conditions, shooting ability, position when shooting, time of day, topography considerations etc. Putting together all of the variables that can make a longer shot successful, and those which say, do not do it. I guess I am saying that I would like to hear a non-judgmental discussion of the facts and factors so nobody is offended. Personally, because my shooting skills are limited, I keep my shots to under 200 yards. Enjoying your podcasts and videos! Thanks Ron. Greg BC, Canada

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Interesting idea, Greg. I might make that video someday. Keep reminding me.

[@Paul-q3m7k]

400 yards is the limit imo . so many animals get wounded every year by these so called long range shooters. there should be laws against it . the animals deserve better than being wounded by someone trying to feed their ego. Very very few can confidently shoot that far in hunting conditions at a living creature . Just my opinion. . Always great stuff , Ron . Thanks

[@thepracticalrifleman]

Terrible idea.

[@portersorensen8814]

Any legislation on that would be a slippery slope truly. "Why do you need to shoot past 350 or 300 or 200 or or or...?"

[@hadleytorres8171]

​@portersorensen8814 there is a big difference between all the distances you just listed and 1000 yards, or even 500 yards. 500 yards is over a quarter mile. The slope isn't slippery, people are just stupid or prideful as the op suggests.

[@4570Govt]

As someone who is an ardent 2A guy(despite being in California), there is(to me) an ethical component to hunting within say a 200-300yd max distance. Reverse the roles: if you were a buck, would you want some hunter who wants to play field sniper potentially wounding you, or would you want to be ended quickly and efficiently with a single shot, where you would likely drop on the spot or near to it, very quickly? There’s a respect for the animal that most of us would treat our dogs with, so why not that animal you’re pointing a rifle at?

[@hadleytorres8171]

@@4570Govt that's a great point. Only Ethical humans should hunt.

[@gavinbaker9697]

I think everyone would be just happy if you bought and built yourself all your personal must have rifles and take us through your process of putting together a dream rifle quiver.

[@robertbroxson4582]

I believe all the new Remington 700 models have Timney triggers

[@glockparaastra]

Hope you have the 7X64 Brenneke in your new book!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Do indeed!

[@theartofman7734]

Hey Ron, I love your program. The wisdom that you impart on your audience is finaminal. The only thing I take issue with is elephant hunting. As am avid hunter myself I can understand. As an 80's baby I can't because elephant conservation was such an issue for my generation. Just shooting you straight I'm not sure showing or talking about taking elephant's will grow your audience. There is a real stigma attached to it. Anyway, your wisdom is tremendously appreciated and growing the hunting passion is important. Using elephant's in any hunting environment I believe could serve as a death nail and tremendous backlash against your channel. Again thank you for all you have shared.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Artofman. I appreciate your concern for elephants, but NOT addressing sport hunting of them furthers their trajectory toward oblivion. The truth of elephant destruction is obscured under a dense blanket of misinformation that plays into the hands of the international cabal of poachers. Regulated sport hunting of elephants plays no role in reducing their breeding populations, the offtake not even approaching annual reproduction. The sad reality is that exploding human populations and our demand for land, crops, water are what's killing off elephants. Africans want elephants in their crop fields, yards, and towns as much as we want herds of bison in ours. If herds are not controlled, marauding elephants and poisoned or gunned down as vermin. Poachers are allowed (and often aided by corrupt govt. bureaucrats who get a "piece of the pie") to run rampant through the herds. Meanwhile, in national parks and other protected elephants (which bring in $ for politicians and bureaucrats) elephants reach population densities 5 to as many as 12 times greater than the habitat can support. They overgraze, overbrowse, tear down entire forests, and destroy essential habitat for dozens of other species, converting formerly productive habitat into wasteland. They need to be culled for the benefit of hundreds of species including themselves. The problem with sport hunting is not that too many elephants are killed, but too few. I've not only studied the science, research and literature on this phenomenon, but I've seen it from Cape town to Mozambique, to the Skelton Coast to the Congo border. Where elephants are protected in parks, the habitat is destroyed. Where they are unprotected the elephants are poached/destroyed (along with most other wildlife, leaving only cattle, goats, chickens and villagers.) Elephants, like most wildlife, can and must be sustainably utilized or they will be destroyed as "inconvenient" to the humans who live among them. I invite you to research the issue, visit Africa, and see for yourself. Don't let the insidious propaganda of the animal rights activists define the issue. I argue for the regulated, sustainable use of elephants not because I don't care about their health and survival, but because I do. Thanks for your concern.

[@hrdrockfarm8948]

The difference in long range hunting is the plan. We shouldn't intentionally plan to have a final firing position that's extreme range on a live animal. If you get stuck due to circumstances and are forced to make a long shot, make your own decision. Hey Ron, do you remember back when monster bucks kinda had their own legend? Maybe your friend or uncle or neighbor saw him last year and you saw him the year before etc. Before the widespread use of trail cameras? These days you can have photos of every animal moving on your property. It takes some of the fun out of it for me. Any thoughts? And, good episode.

[@45-70Guy]

To each their own, though practicing at 1000 in broad daylight is different than shooting game at 1000 at dusk or dawn with brush in the way somewhere in between. Out west being more open it’s more feasible, here in the timber even in the “big” farms and fields, 300 yards is maybe the furthest we could even have.

[@jameswhitaker1324]

If it matters, Ron, I’d actually welcome more videos on hunting techniques and woodscraft. Like any gun guy, I’m happy to get into the weeds on cartridges and ballistics, but the truth is there are very few poor choices out there today for cartridges. .270, .308, .257 Bob, 6.5 creedmoor? I don’t care. They all kill deer. I’m sure .30-40 Krag will do the same. I’m more interested in how to arrange things so I see a game animal in reasonable range during hunting season. Love your videos and your attitude.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

We'll try some of that, James. Thanks.

[@archeryhunter86-]

I agree with this idea. Lots could be learned from someone with your level of experience.

[@drmjruff]

Long range is a sticky subject. I killed my antelope at 661 yards this year using a 6.5 prc. The animal was in the middle of a winter wheat field grazing with no wind. Even if the animal runs it has not where to hide, and finding it is easy. I practice to 1000 so the shorter shots I can do. With that said, if there had been a puff of wind, or the animal was moving, no go on the shot. On even a walking shot, 350 all of a sudden becomes a long range shot because of the the lead needed. 200 yards in heavy timber so too is a long shot. I also hunt with a 30-06 which I would not take a shot at that range. So many variables go into the equation that each hunter must know their skill set, their weapon capabilities, and the conditions in which they are hunting. Good topic.

[@tacticalskiffs8134]

A lot of it comes down to honest record keeping. The further out you go, the more the chance of error increases. In rifle hunting, particularly a kind based on ambush with accurate rifles, no wounding or loss of recovery is acceptable. If hunting is fully costed, then you either end up paying trophy fees, or you never get invited back if you are wounding on someone else's land. Only in America can one massively tempt fate with bows, pistol, and now pretend sniping, and take a "so what" attitude to it. So keep very accurate records including all shots, all "opps, I pulled that one", and base your shots on the worst outcomes, not even the averages. However, a lot of folks think they are the best 3 shot groups they ever shot, not the worst one that ever got away. And that is only the start, there are points in the flight of the bullet when it's ballistic performance is sub par, so you can't work those ranges. Too close and the bullets blow up, too far and they don't function. In sniping one doesn't care about destroyed meat, and one doesn't always care about recovery. So any hit may be a success. Some of the long range records are from strings of shots where almost all missed, but still functioned as suppression. Deer aren't the enemy, they are a resource that needs to be exploited as though you paid for it, and humanely.

[@jessecain1646]

I'm not a hunter but always been around it and this video confirmed my thoughts on long range hunting. Not that there is anything wrong with it. I have done some hunting but I am limited on experience on this subject. If I do get into hunting I'm probably going to do small to medium game nothing I can't manage. I don't want to get into a situation if I were to ( example) bring down an elk , what I'm I going to do with this thing ? How am I going to manage it ? Any advice is welcome. Thank you gentleman.

[@philipfreeman72]

There is no way I would take a 600 yd. shot .

[@EarthwormG]

I am relatively new to the world of hunting, and I am finding it hard to get a clear answer on this. I have a 6.5 creedmoor bolt gun with 1:7 twist, 22 inch barrel. Will I have issues stabilizing or fragmenting varmint projectiles such as hornady varmint 95 grain round? if so are there certain distances that issues will start to occur? thanks for the input.

[@Russ1tonram]

Most long range shooters I've met are the first to say they will not hunt at longer than 300 ti 350 yards. They'll shoot out at 1000 yards or farther on targets but never at game out past 300 to 350 yards.

[@thepracticalrifleman]

I shoot game beyond 350 🤙🏻

[@Leif1963]

Russ I hope you are right and if you are that is encouraging!

[@Strutingeagle]

Ron, I am impressed that you did not support the manufacturers promoting equipment for extreme long range hunting!!! As you said the long range target shooting does not translate into the hunting sports. It could be argued that a sporting weight rifle with a muti reticle scope and a range finder is all one needs for ethical hunting to four or five hundred yards which for hunting is long range. The sport of long range target shooting is very fascinating and more power to those that are into it but to be honest with ourselves very few will ever become snipers or fire a shot in anger at another human being. If they shoot in an area outside of engineered target range it is nearly impossible for a spotter to see where the shot landed so these long range target sports don't translate to anything else period.

[@Mike-xi4zt]

There tons of of layers of game laws that require people to have a degree in law to attempt to avoid getting fined or arrested.

[@flashgordon99999]

If you want a lever gun with pointy high bc bullets, do like I did and by a Browning BLR in .308.

[@ranchodeluxe1]

You mean like my 115 year old Savage 1899.

[@jonathanmitchell3733]

Long distance hunting must take time of flight in considiration. At some point there is a very good chance of the animal moving between the shot going off and the bullet hitting.

[@danmcallister437]

Hi Ron. Thank you for your content and congratulations on 400k on your main channel. My son who is only 13 has his heart set on becoming a professional hunter, considering his obsession with shooting and hunting I’ve no doubt he will realise his dream. To this end I’d love to buy a rifle that I can hand down to him eventually. I’m thinking .416 Remington. I’d love to give him something custom, but I simply can’t afford the high end stuff. Obviously it would be amazing to have a .416 Rigby made by Rigby, or something by parkwest arms etc. but I simply can’t afford it. My question is do you know of any companies that make this type of rifle that is nicer than the entry level stuff but won’t break the bank. Just to acquire a licence here is in the region of $2000 per rifle, so adding another ten plus thousand is out of reach for me. Thanks again. Dan from Botswana 🇧🇼.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

You might have to find an old controlled round feed rifle/action such as Mauser M98 or Win. M70 in 375 H&H or similar and rebarrel to 416 Rem. I believe Winchester still offers its new CRF M70s in 416 Remington. Ruger's current Hawkeye CRF rifles can be had in the shorter 416 Ruger, but not 416 Remington.

[@CCV60202]

I think the reason why long range shooting has become so popular is multifaceted. On the one hand, you have war veteran snipers who enjoyed what they did in the war and decided to make a living out of it by having long range shooting schools or at least working for an existing long range shooting school . There is nothing wrong with that, except that in order to be successful in a new career you have to have customers to purchase the service,which generates the market. In addition to that you have hunters who may not have been in the military who think that long range hunting is an opportunity to in some part experience what a sniper has done in the past. My opinion of that is a kind of survivor guilt or even a stolen valor emotion. Then you have the influence of video game playing live action, military video games, in which a person can take the role of a sniper in that format. Finally the influence of movies like American sniper and other military movies that generally do what they do and psych people up, thinking they can do something that’s very difficult and requires a lot of training to accomplish. With all that shooting psychology going on I’m surprised there’s any animals left. We have to concentrate on getting back to the core rtual of Hunting, which is to sneak up close and see if you can see the animal before it sees you. Remember if you don’t have a clean shot, it’s OK not to take it no matter how much money you spent on the hunt. Remember the animals that we kill Will suffer if we don’t take their lives as seriously as we take our own.

[@peterking1038]

Very well stated! I have encountered so many of these so-called long-range hunters in recent years. Most of them have all the fancy gear and accessories but cannot shoot. They don't know how to hunt, stalk, get close to the animal. They don't understand how to use the wind, terrain, and slow methodical movement to get close to the animal. They don't understand bullet ballistics or trajectory. They just copy what they heard or saw someone else do and hope for the best. If they did get any training, they usually like to brag about how they were trained by a "sniper". Most of them have never really been on a stalk or even off the road. They just drive around hoping to spook an animal then rush a shot, wound it, then blame the equipment or something else. They do not respect the animal and the true nature of hunting.

[@SigSweetNSauer4756]

What is the breed of your dog? Absolutely gorgeous!

[@powerbagle]

I think it's an english setter.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

English Setter from Beirl's Setters in Wisconsin.

[@SigSweetNSauer4756]

Beautiful! @@RonSpomerOutdoors

[@jcjustice3786]

👍👍👍

[@mattmoney247]

Is that an English Setter?

[@jasonweishaupt1828]

ELR = Extremely Lazy Rifleman. If an archer can get within 50 yards, there is no reason a rifleman can’t get within 300.

[@lmbear]

It all depends on how you practice shooting. How often and how far. 600 yards really isn't that far, but I shoot to 1,000 yards at least once a week. Real longrange shooters also shoot competitively. Try some long range varmint silhouette matches, if you've never tried one. Shooting a steel rabbit at 600 yards consistently is fun and a learning experience. The main thing to watch for is the wind. The mechanicals of the rifle, load and scope tracking is a constant, but the wind is what will get you. Also, knowing how animals act will help: A buck with his head down feeding is likely not going to be moving and is prime time to pull the trigger, when you are shooting longrange. Not when a buck is dancing around playing with a doe. There is a difference. Moral of the story: Know your quarry, know your rifle, load, dope, scope, how to adjust for the wind and know your abilities and limitations and you are golden. Don't cross the line of what you know to be "ethical", because we are not all the same. What maximum you put on yourself, may easily be doubled by someone that practices more. Which is apparent by some of the people posting on this video. One shot, one kill.

[@45-70Guy]

Good points, even if you put a maximum of 600’yards on yourself because you are good at 1000 with your setup, you’ll be better off than the one who practices at 600 for a maximum. 600 seems easy to someone who’s consistent at 1000.

[@tonychase2302]

Maybe the guy meant the video you did of 350 L vs 30/30

[@robertsebacher44]

700 yards across a steep valley for an elk. Better have a bear tag in your back pocket. He or she may have decided to stake their claim by the time you get there.

[@paulvandenberg5341]

Recovery must be considered. I still feel terrible about a deer I shot 45 years ago. It was a good shot, she was later found very close to where shot. It was late in the day, a 200-250 yard cross canyon shot. Snow started bucketing down right after the shot. By the time I made it to site, 10 minutes it was a near blizzard and light was very low. Blood disappeared, the herd scattered tracks going everywhere. That night it was -10 and 8 inches of snow. Spent hours the next morning to no avail. Landowner found her in March. If you are shooting at 300+ you aren’t a hunter, just a shooter.

[@brianrobinson1975]

i like Aram Von Benedikt as a gun writer expect his view on long range hunting, i think he promotes the wrong attitude on distance for the average hunter

[@edwardabrams4972]

I think he showed the wrong attitude by his actions and is now without any respect from the hunting community for being a self hunter instead of a true Sportsmans! Just my two cent from 60+ years as a hunter reloader and rifle collector and if one of my sons did what he did we would be having a few choice words!🤔😳

[@leonhart2452]

On that polymer 308, the reviews I have seen it's not really that accurate and cost a lot more. Not really worth it.

[@codyway7424]

I always thought that it was a bit unnecessary to have a supressor on a hunting rifle. Furthermore, it recently came to my attention that guys will use their supressor to take a shot at a rock or whatever that is near the game, then use the dope from that shot to take a poke at the game. Yes, it's really happening. Your thoughts?

[@Paul-q3m7k]

Those aren’t hunters . They’re morons . That’s the kind of thing that will get suppressors banned for hunting. I don’t use them myself for personal reasons but lots do ….. and they aren’t real men 😂😂

[@portersorensen8814]

I mean if it helps them make a better shot by knowing exact windage and drop. I don't see the issue. My thoughts on suppressors is why do hunters have to suffer hearing loss because they can't run a suppressor. It makes it a lot easier to be able to hunt with your natural ears to listen for calls bugles footsteps and the like. For what its worth in England you can buy a suppressor from a gun store with no more hassle than a firearm. To be fair a firearm is plenty of hassle there. Their reasoning for it is that one as mentioned it protects the hunters hearing as most hunting there is spot and stock as opposed to set up on a ridge or other fixed location. Two, most hunting happens close to where people live (At a safe distance and direction mind you) so the suppressors are viewed similar to a muffler on a car reducing the obnoxious noise pollution for local residents.

[@portersorensen8814]

My personal opinion as far as why suppressors are seen as unnecessary in the North America is because they have been regulated above and beyond what regular firearms are and the justification for it is that they aren't needed for hunting when for sure they are a very valuable tool. Just my opinion

[@45-70Guy]

@@portersorensen8814good points, and I’m just throwing a wrench in... what about poachers? That does make it easier for them to be silent. Regardless we shouldn’t be regulated to high noon as they are a benefit for multiple reasons. Personally I run plugs if I have time , sometimes I don’t and just have to shoot, but I also don’t like the extra length and cost. Or cost at least right now due to tax, wait time, etc... None of that helps the people out and about though where I am there isn’t many of any people even within range of my effective cartridges reach so sound is not damaging to them.

[@redrock425]

A suppressor is great, they are far from silent but really help your hearing. Muzzle brakes can be nasty. Hearing loss is cumulative so look after it.

[@BZE_Fishin]

So…long range hunting…personally, I think this is an ego driven phenomenon. I’ve been hunting for nearly 45 years…I am also quite a good shot. That said, the longest shot I ever made in the field, 162 yards. To me, hunting is more of a skillet than simply throwing a bullet down range. Part of the intrigue is outsmarting the animal…you know, stalking. That being said, I routinely practice out to 400 yards. This is done simply for the idea that if I’m ever in a position that genuinely can’t get closer…at least I’m prepared. I think it’s a shame that today’s hunters want to be snipers and leaving the very essence of hunting sidelined.

[@GeorgeSemel]

You want to see cringe check out that Backfire guy and long range shooting, he posted a deer he shot, and he gut shot the thing. That guy is a piece of garbage. As for the Remington 700, I think a lot of the "issue" was people adjusting triggers that should not have and or poor maintenance. Neglegent discharges and wanted deep pockets at remington or there insurance company to well pay. I had a gunsmith do a bedding job on a Ruger M-77 MK II in 6.5 x 55 yeah I know its not a 700, He sent the rifle back and I shot the rifle and well it shot lights out. The trigger job he did was a little to light maybe, so I played with it no ammo in the room doubled checked chamber and yeah it would fire is the butt was hit and not hard or if you put pressure on the trigger while on safe and then take the safety off. I called him after a 10 chat I sent the rifle back, he then called me and yep, and I am sorry, I get a trigger from ruger and make it right. I told him get me a canjar trigger, and install it and just send me the bill when you are done. Bottom line it was a none issue, partly because I am sort or anal on triggers set right for hunting. Oh and that Ruger MKII shot so well, if I was going to shoot for money that the rifle I would shoot. A gun is only as safe as the person behind the trigger. Nothing is 100% fool proof in life.

[@jfess1911]

You are right that it is possible to adjust the trigger wrong and create a problem. However, there is a separate issue with the design of the Remington 700 trigger system that was actually identified by its designer, Mike Walker decades ago. It is due to the added complexity needed to avoid royalty payments for simpler, already patented designs like Winchester's. Walker informed Remington about the flaw and made a new design without it. The new design was slightly more expensive and Remington decided to save a few cents per rifle and stuck with the old one. Remington lost the court case because it was proved that they were fully aware of the problem and even had a solution but did not use it. Since the patents had expired a long time ago, the fix was just to use the simpler design. Details: To avoid patents held by others, instead of just having a lip or notch cut into the top of the trigger body to catch and hold the sear (which holds the firing pin back), the Remington-Walker design added a sliding piece of steel over the top of the the trigger body. This "connector" is held in place by a spring instead of being firmly attached to the trigger. Every time the trigger is pulled, this "connector" slides foreword a little and creates a gap between it and the trigger body. If something like unburnt powder, crud or hardened grease falls into the gap or otherwise prevents the connector from returning fully on top of the trigger body, the sear can skip over it when the bolt is cycled or when the safety is turned off. Unfortunately, the visible part of the trigger returns to its normal position so there is no indication that something is wrong. The fix was to replace the trigger and connector setup with a solid, one piece trigger. Some people just glued the connector to the trigger body.

[@LilyRose-l6l]

Too much lub

[@finallyfriday.]

Long range target shooting is not hunting. Denies game all defenses of sight, smell, hearing and instincts (most of its dangers are in close proximity). Also zero risk to shooter if pursuing dangerous game. Zero memories of any stalk and hunt, only "great shot" as a memory. Sitting in a lawn chair, hee-hawing out loud and telescoping across thousands of acres is what gives anti hunters ammo to condemn the sport.

[@chrislarson3206]

This video needs 51 dislikes as an homage to Mr. Spomer.