Eps 364 - LPVO For Hunting - Is It Really Better?

[@louiskins8008]

As a north Idaho brush Hunter, the LPVO does exceptionally well at finding a hole through the limbs and brush.

[@wdtaut5650]

40:02 Right call, Ron. If that 2-10x is a good scope, use it. No need to spend more money on a new scope. I have a 1-4x on my 350 Legend. It replaced an awful 3-9x that came on the rifle. If the 3-9x had been decent, I would still be using it, just set to a low end magnification. I set the 1-4x to 2.5x and leave it there. It's good to any practical range of that round. The long eye relief is a blessing in a woods scope.

[@stephenhair5501]

I went to an LPVO on my AR in 6.5 Grendel. It is a 1-8X power with a lighted reticle. It's made by Atibal and it has served me well. It doesn't break the bank and the glass is very good. I've taken Whitetails in Georgia from 200 yards and in, with no problem. It's compact, light weight and does the job for me. Thanks for sharing Ron! Good stuff here. God Bless.

[@tonymills7883]

I just bought a new 30-06

[@jasonweishaupt1828]

They still make those!

[@mckimmym]

If I buy a 7mm book will you inscribe it “ I wrote this whole book about 7mms but we both know there’s only one… the 7mm Rem Mag!” ?

[@WantingWilderness]

28 Nosler has entered the chat, 7x57 was already here

[@jaydunbar7538]

@@WantingWildernesscongrats on taking something literal when it was clearly not meant to be such

[@dinoquintana4319]

The 3006 is as good as ever,ditto the 7 rem mag,270 win.this new generation wants high bc high velocity and low recoil.you can't tell an old fart like me that the 6.5 cm is as versatile as my 7mag or my3006.argue as much as you want.im not buying. My answer to the 6.5.the 250 savage in a super slick model 99.no really high bc's but I have my 7mag 160 nosler accubond for long range.look at your numbers a t 600yds.goodluck mr/Mrs Creedmoor. One excellent thing about the 6.5.is the price of used rifles I'm the big 7,the 06,the270.keep up the good work 5

[@jaydunbar7538]

@@dinoquintana4319 the 6.5s of all sorts of cartridges including the cm get used well past 600 yards so not really sure what your point is, someone saying the CM fits there use case better then the 06 doesn’t mean the old gun stops working so not sure why your so butthurt about it. I hunt with lever guns much older then I am because I want to, the 6.5 cm is still a more versatile cartridge then my 30-30, I’m still going to use the 30-30 because I want to. No reason to cry over someone else’s opinion on what the best firearm for them to spend their own money on is. For the record my wife has a 6.5cm, savage 110 shoots fantastic and I would have no hesitation to use it for elk at range. I prefer my Weatherby in 7rem mag for western hunting but that savage of hers came with as a backup last year.

[@MultiSoftE]

​@@dinoquintana4319idk 7mm prc really makes both seem hard to justify, problem is it's nearly impossible to get

[@johnoneill6161]

Speaking about LPVOs, I bought a cheap 2-7 power with a mildot reticle, that allows me to adjust my hold for range differences. I bought cheap cause I just wanted to try the reticle type. I put it on my BL-22 and found it really helped me adjust my hold out to 100 yards without changing my 50 yard zero. I have thought about swapping it over to my .308 to use out to 200 yards for my cast bullet silhouette matches, so I don't have to adjust my sights for 50-100-150 and 200 yards . Love you stuff Ron, I watch lots of your no BS non-tacticool programs.

[@ryanzanow8221]

Ron, I have always LOVED your videos and podcasts, and know you to be very knowledgeable, but this episode really got my attention!! You talked about the different generation's preferred calibers, yours being more 30-06 biased, to the next down generation being in the .308win or 6.5 anything, and the next generation down being more into 7mm something. SPOT ON!! My Dad uses a BAR 30-06, I swap between the .308win my Dad gave me, to my newer 6.5cm. My younger brother? ...7mm Rem Mag. You called it so exactly, it's almost weird! 😅 Thank you so very much for sharing all your valuable knowledge, and, for creating such wonderful videos and podcasts!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast]

Thanks Ryan.

[@johnweisYamaroler]

Thank you Ron for reading my message about the safe queens I have been running the same loads in my collection of calibers for years and the confidence gained is immeasurable. Keep up the good work and the interest up.

[@michaelwilson9986]

DITTOS on the THANKS to Nam Vets. GOD BLESS EM n All Vets

[@jamesmoore768]

I agree Ron Stick to the two to ten! I hunt Deer in Mississippi and have hunted mainly with leupolds for 45 yrs and I have used a vari x2 in 2-7power and eventually changed to a vari x 3.5 to 10 power! Most of my deer are taken inside 75 yards and most of them are taken under 50 yards! And I have taken a few from 100 yards out to 300 yards . I don’t hunt areas that I have that kind of distance. Hunting in hardwood timber I seldom have a shot over 75 to 80 yards! Oh I hunt with a 270 now but most of my deer were killed with 30-06 Ruger mod77 I purchased in 1979 I passed it on to my Son 4 or 5 yrs ago!

[@45-70Guy]

I’ve been using the vx2 2-7 for a long time, light weight and just enough optic for 300 yards though my majority is under 100.

[@pojntxoog3039]

LPVO Is the way to go when hunt in WI. A true 1-4 or 1-6 would serve you well. Got Trijicon TR25 1-6 and never look back. Light weight durable but one thing about a true lpvo is cost.

[@dshook1568]

I split the difference on 2 of my rifles and used a 3-18x44 and it fits all the bills for me, wide fov at 3x and still able to use for some precision long range stuff. The one rifle has been really reliable at hitting steel at 1130yards, the other I haven’t carried out past 800yards yet. I recently bought a 7mm PRC and am probably going to use that same scope again and see what kinda legs that rifle has.

[@karlantonlillester4884]

There is a few advantages to shooting a true 1 x scope or an LPVO as you americans call it. Sure one of those are that they are quick to shoot. But what people often seem to forget or at least not mention is the ability to shoot with both eyes open. That gives a better picture of all that is happening both before and after the shot breakes, if you have an iluminatet reticel you can even shot it with the front lens covered. Very handy in rain snow and such. The brain seems to work together the two different pictures the eyes give and that works well. If you have not tried it you should. Branches are much easier to se at 1 x and both eyes open. When shooting with both eyes open many feel their flinch going away enough that they can see through their shot. To see what shotreaction the animal had and direction before it disapears into the brush is very handy and helpfull. Yes as many might think of it is great for driven hunts and moving animals but it is also very handy when using a dog. Makes it easy to know were the dog is. Too bad that most american scopes with a 1x capasity has a tactical reticel not really suited for such hunting...

[@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast]

Good points, Karl, but I've found that I, at least (so I assume others can do this too), can shoot with both eyes open at 1.5X, 2X, 3X and even 18X. I appreciate that not everyone can, but I suspect they can learn. But it stands to reason that matching what your scope eye sees to what your un-scoped eye sees would increase your visual comprehension. In other words, while my open left eye is "seeing," when I'm shooting via a 12X scope, my dominant eye's view is dominating my perception, my interpretation of what I'm seeing.

[@karlantonlillester4884]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Yes its the experience of looking through a ring or a window that is really what we are after. An aimpont is of course the best for this but some times you need a bit og manification.

[@charlesshoemaker3622]

I was taught from a very young age to keep both eyes open while shooting and 40+ years later still do.

[@George-tz1cv]

Hunted in heavy cover for years with a 2-7X on my BLR. Huge field of view.

[@craigmashoke8502]

Hello Ron, Love all your articles and video's I have been a competitive shooter for over 50 years. So early on i learned the benifits of lighted red dots and lo power scopes for running shots. My hunting scopes typicaly are Leupold 1-6 with adjustable brightness on red dot. With this setup I can keep both eyes open when set at 1x. Easily keeping the re dot on moving targets. My first shot is typically at standing or walking buck, my follow up shot is at it running away if it doesn't drop. Often the second shot wasn't necessary but if its moving I'm still shooting. On driven deer I've shot 3 deer with 3 shots in 3 seconds, with a 12 ga. Rem. 1100 and slugs and a red dot. With the piccatiny rail setups you can easily change your scope but i rarely need more than 6x where i hunt in New England. Keep up the great articles Craig

[@leskrug9266]

So you're on the topic of only one rifle so I'm 59 years old and if I could only have one rifle to survive as far as two-legged predators and food on the table, it would most definitely be my Savage 24dh in 22 Magnum and 20 gauge over under single shots!!! And I've been saying that for 40 years. I received that from my dad/ brother when I was 30 years old

[@troy9477]

I like low powered scopes. Very practical. First centerfire scope i ever bought was a Bushnell Elite 2-7x for my Win 88 in 308. Works great. Not much later, i put a Burris 1.75-5x on ny Savage 99 in 308, viewing it as more of a brush gun. Also works great. The ultimate was a 1-3x Weaver on my Marlin 357. I jokingly call it the Hillbilly Patrol Rifle. Huge field of view, you can see the hooded front sight on 1x and 1.5x. An added benefit, the huge exit pupil means that it is always lined up for maximum field of view when tou bring it up. I mostly just target shoot, but they all work well. I did put a Nikon 3-9x on my #1 30-06. Also works well. All ny milsurps are iron sights, none are sporterized. Ditto my other lever actions, the 336 has a Lyman #62 peep sight. My next rifle is going to be a 7mm-08. For a scope i am probably going to get a 2.5-10x or something along those lines. I am also planning to get a 1-6x for my AR (16" Bushmaster, my old patrol rifle). Lots of good scopes out there. Always great content Ron. Loved the moose hunting story. Surprised the camp didn't have a radio to contact planes. Even handheld CB would do, for a few miles. Hopefully they have a radio now. Anyway, i will probably never see the great north, so it is great to hear the stories.

[@davidruppel1216]

Ron, you asked me to let you know about the Ruger SBH in .454casull. Well it still hasnt come in yet.😢 but i will keep you updated as i learn more. Keep up the interesting and fun videos.

[@winchester7391]

Ron, I had terrible trouble with accuracy with my CA Ridgeline. Turns out the bore was not concentrically centered in the barrel. Imagine the 2nd and 3rd accuracy and beyond with a hot barrel. After two attempts sending it back the retailer and I found the issue with help of the gunsmith’s caliper we determined the issue. Christensen Arms made me whole eventually without even tasting the crow served to them. At least I’m satisfied with the rifle now after they re-barreled it. Weird things happen at times. What really matters is how the issue is resolved. I think an apology would have been appropriate, but…. I guess engineers aren’t necessarily built to solve problems outside of the shop.

[@hangnwithdosei3266]

Something to keep in mind on LVPO scopes...a 1-10 LVPO will NEVER be as good / usable as a 2-10 scope. KZbinr "Brass Facts" did a video titled "Is It Possible To Make A Good 1-10x LPVO", and did a good job of showing and explaining why this is the case.

[@tonyb4876]

The LPVO 1x-up thing is primarily from the AR competition world where the scope acts like a Red Dot for close rapid multi target acquisition stages, ie "CQB" simulation (Close Quarters Battle) and then cranked up to 4x, 6x, 8x or even 10x for longer more precision stages. Hunting were not shooting 5 deer at 10 to 20 yards trying to drop them all before they bolt... Your 100% spot on using 2x and up variable! I used a 2.5 x 10 for years. Worked awesome with my .300Wby Mag stalking in woods for flushing deer up to 425yds across wheat fields! Heck if your ONLY shooting from a blind at a fixed close range, maybe with a shotgun/slugs or straight wall cartridge, like near a feeder, or deer driver in woods, a simple Red Dot may suffice.

[@bekkerbosbeer3453]

Hi Ron , just received my Howa 30-06 with a Tasco 6-18x50 scope...will test 150/180 gr Sellior and Bellot ammo , will send you results.Thanks for all the great information

[@jfess1911]

Ron is right that virtually any factory hunting load for the 30-30 is fine for deer at 100 yards and that the +/-3" MPBR does not vary hugely (about 25 yards for the lead-core bullets and about 35 yards if the copper TSX is added in). The difference is for hunters who want to push the 30-30 to longer distances, especially if they want to maintain a certain level of bullet energy at the target. The big advantage of the Hornady FTX 30-30 cartridge is its longer effective range for deer which can be over 300 yards, well beyond its MPBR of about 235 yards (from a 24" scoped barrel*). The FTX retains about 1000ft-lbs of energy to slightly over 300 yards (where the traditional 3"-high-at-100-yards zero gives 12.5" of drop). This compares to 1000ft-lbs at about 110 yards for Federal's 150gr TSX load or about 160 yards and 200 yards for the 150gr and 170gr classic Core Lokt loads, respectively. If someone wants 1500 ft-lbs for elk, the FTX doubles effective range to about 125 yards vs the 150 or 170 Core Lokt *The scope itself adds some distance to MPBR vs iron sights since it is higher above the bore.

[@MrRdvs87]

I hunt in AL (not saying everywhere there is the same) but the shot distances I take are very similar to the guy in the video. I agree with skipping the bipod. I even put an unmagnified red dot on one 336 and a fixed 3x prism from primary arms on another. I have hunted with the former but not the latter yet. Very nice for those short shots on the fringes of legal light.

[@mattspurling6928]

I would generally agree with you on twistrates however that also dependents especially in the smaller caliber what you mainly want to use it for. If your planning in doing more traditional variety hunting such as high volume prarie dogs, you typically want to stick to a slower more traditional twist. This is especially for faster cartrages such as the 22-250 or the 204 ruger because you can make barrels last twice as long. Generally from my research a 1-8 will last about 1000 rounds but a .ore traditional 1-14 will last 2000 to 2500 rounds. All things considered it all depends on what your main use for the rifle is, but also as you said the max grai weight you intend to shoot out of it as well. What your willing to sacrifice for either depends on the person

[@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast]

Interesting, Matt. My research over the years has always indicated that faster twist has minimal effect on barrel life. Perhaps the shorter life noted on a p. dog barrel is due to more rapid firing sequence rather than twist rate? Pressure/heat (closely related in powder burning cartridge guns) are what "burn out" a barrel at the throat/leade and an inch or two down the bore. The increased friction from the faster twist "holding back" the bullet could (might?) increase flame time, thus temperature, in the leade for a micro second more. But are we burning a cooler or hotter powder? And what is the pressure generated by our load? If SAAMI spec. MAP for a 22-250 Rem. is 65,000 psi and you're 45-gr. bullet loads are hitting that and so are your 60-gr. or even 75-gr. loads, how are you burning out the barrel twice as fast? But, regardless, if you want to stabilize a long bullet, you need the twist rate to do it. If your main goal is to maximize barrel life, shoot a smoothbore. Or a 22 rimfire! Guess I'll need more evidence on your claim, Matt, but I'm open to it. Cheers.

[@Hunting-jr1mp]

​@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcastwell Ron looking at forums and similar you will find a lot of comp and other high volume guys with smaller cartridges specifically seem to have this problem. I think the fast twist might be exasperating problems with already slightly overbore cartridges.

[@sammartinez8084]

Ron this is a great story and thanks again for the great info 👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏

[@MrRdvs87]

I hunt in AL (not saying everywhere there is the same) but the shot distances I take are very similar to the guy in the video. I agree with skipping the bipod. I even put an unmagnified red dot on one 336 and a fixed 3x prism from primary arms on another. I have hunted with the former but not the latter yet. Very nice for those short shots on the fringes of legal light. Cool thing with the prisms is that it’s as much power (3x or 5x depending on which one) to do plenty well up close and out to several hundred yards. They’re about the size of a red dot and lighter than many traditional scopes and LPVOs.

[@jeffreyadams5017]

Hey Ron, when you did the 30.06 rifle contest, I loved the lever action you tested, I think it won the accuracy test? Love your utube stuff

[@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast]

Thanks Jeff. Yes, that Browning lever action was the most accurate of the bunch, but since then I retested the Weatherby bolt action and got a .664" 3-shot group with it. Finding the right load makes a huge difference with most rifles.

[@jeffreyadams5017]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast that is awesome. I think that would be a great woods rifle or a mountain rifle, easy to maneuver and plenty of terminal performance for anything in north American

[@RickNethery]

I like the LPVO trend. Especially with the ability to illuminate the reticle. They are very good for hunting in various types of terrain, and LPVOs are usually compact and relatively lightweight optics.

[@seanflorian4653]

Love my 1-4 on my 450 bushmaster. For thick woods it's really solid

[@rosshill2565]

I have a Christensen Arm mesa FFT in 6.5 PRC. My rifle shot very well (.3 to .6 inch groups), but the chamber was tight to the point that if I tried to eject a load round, the bullet would yank out and stay in the barrel and dump powder all over. I sent it back, they recut the chamber throat and fined tuned my magazine. Total turn around time was only three weeks. My rifle still shoots very well, nothing changed there.

[@charlesshoemaker3622]

I think the AR platform has really brought the Lpvo scopes the popularity they have. I use one myself on a 223 wylde chambering but on my AR10 in .308 I use a standard 3x9.

[@vernehambone3590]

150 grain Barnes TSX in a 30-30 is the best combination there is for Deep South woods, swamp and marsh.

[@joshkrebs1999]

I'm really liking lpvo's as a budget scope for general hunting under 300 yards. For $600 (usually less) you get ilummimatiom, bdc, and up to 10 power depending on the scope. It's not a direct replacement for a 2-7, 2-10, or 3-15/18, but in general, you have to step up to the $1000 + range to get into a good quality, lower power scope. Hunting location, animal type, caliber, and most likely shot distance all factor into my final scope choice for a specific rifle.

[@tonyb4876]

Hi Ron, just a side note on Copper Bullets. You might want to explain what "Bore-Riders" are compared to Banded and Obturating styles. I know the differences but I'd bet many looking at Barnes' website won't. I'm working up a Barnes TTSX 130gr load for my .300Wby Mag for chrony giggles to see if I can make a fastest flattest best group laser beam "just because" HEHE! If it works I'll probably use it on deer to coyotes.

[@jmc041071]

I'm with you Ron on the walnut stocks. However, where I often hear you say you love a walnut stock and a classic blued style, I love a walnut stock and stainless. I like the blued but I love the look of walnut and stainless together. Dark , high grade walnut. Does me liking wood stocks show my age? Oh well. Thanks for another great show Ron!

[@Tony_Seed]

It is really nice to have that 1-2x

[@Yetified_Mayhem]

Hi folks. Take care.

[@Clayman5577]

Leupold vx3i 1.5 x 4x20

[@patcoder7308]

Thanks for the details

[@cabochris100]

I believe the max torque on Patriot action screws is only 25ip? I think that's why they apply some sort of red thread locker to the action screws? I once had one in 300 Win Mag and tightened the action screws to a reasonable 40ip. Suddenly, my rifle sprayed the shots all over at 100 yards! Turns out the higher screw torque actually cracked their plastic bedding block! They replaced it. So if your Patriot does not shoot well, remove the action block and inspect it closely for hairline cracks.

[@ronladuke7235]

Possibly whenever you change bullet type or brand that could use a different alloy it may affect accuracy? Don’t know if anyone has ever done any precision group comparisons and comparing the alloys?

[@danieltustison822]

Wonderful show Ron with all the people after lever guns it might be time for comparison between 30/30 and 7mm/30. I forget the name but sizing 30/30 brass to hold 7mm bullet. It was also chamber it TC contender pistol

[@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast]

The 7mm Waters. I cover it in my 7mm book.

[@danieltustison822]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast grrr I keep thinking that was what it's called lol

[@HowManyLegsItHas]

Knives of Alaska!

[@George-tz1cv]

Best hunting knife you can own.

[@edwardabrams4972]

@@George-tz1cvsecond best the one your custom knife making friend made you for free is still better but you weren’t too far off🤔😳🤣

[@tomcarvelli6464]

Made in China!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Junk.

[@michaelwilson9986]

Well Done. Awaiting the updated 06s results n hopefully there a show on 😉

[@JimmyJusa]

There are LPVO scopes in 1-4, 1-6, 1-8, and i think even 1-10. I would think that depending on the specific size and weight of the scope it could be an ideal brush gun scope and also a mountain scope if weights are the least if the max power is enough.

[@pipslife7874]

cool that yo have on a Mossberg shirt!!

[@curtishunter6725]

When you depend on a finger on the 👍 button do what ya have to. But you do always have good information you and who tee who my most favorite ❤❤❤

[@WillyK51]

Most sold Scopes are 3X and above. Since the 1970's and before, 90% were 3X9 1 " scopes. THey are fine for 40 yds and further. But for close cover, when you spook something 20 yds away, useles. At 1X they work as a illuminated Dot sight, and for accross the fiel 8X(Even10X)

[@brianschumaker5912]

Comment on the LPVO.... I hunt in similar conditions in NW Ohio. I don't expect shots over 150 yards. I use a Pursuit Red Dot on a Henry 45-70. Yeah I know... it's a sin to put a scope on a lever action. But my eyes are getting old and far sighted. You just don't need magnification at 150 on a deer size target. And I don't worry about dawn and dark visibility.

[@ronladuke7235]

Try putting a piece of tape on the stock Ron to line it up with the same spot on the front bag?

[@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast]

Fair idea, Ron, but in the real world (hunting) that's not going to happen. I guess I'm not as interested in how precisely a rifle will shoot with every possible detail tweaked to perfection as in how consistently it shoots in general use. One gets an idea (and builds confidence) with some careful bench shooting, but when it requires a particular rest, sandbag, position, degree of thumb pressure, angle of shoulder... That's not all coming together when I'm leaning over my pack atop a ridge in elk country.

[@waynocook53]

Great show to-day Ron!👏👏🙂

[@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast]

Thanks Wayno.

[@00skeletor00]

I briefly had a Christensen Arms Mesa in 6.5 CM. The rifle was an epic POS from the start. The chamber was under cut, so if I chambered a round then extracted it with out firing, the bullet was pulled from the case neck, dumping powder all over. This was with any factory and hand loads. It’s a miracle the gun didn’t blow up from excessive pressure. On top of that, the barreled action was out of square with the stock, causing the barrel to touch the inside of the barrel channel on the left side. I had a gun smith re-cut the chamber, and square the barreled action to the stock, then sold it. As far as the barrel break in, I call BS. I have multiple Tikka rifles, I do zero break in, they shoot sub MOA out of the box. I’ll never buy a CA rifle again.

[@jfess1911]

The scope makers have been increasing the magnification ranges of scopes, so there are numerous 1-10x LPVO scopes available that can take the place of traditional hunting 3-9x or newer 2-10x. Not surprisingly, a higher magnification range usually means more money. The main reason for the 1x is a self-defense or military situation in which you want to keep focus with both eyes on the target and still maintain peripheral vision while using the scope. It is largely to keep situational awareness and to make very rapid target acquisition with the rifle. Before the LPVO's had improved to their current level, it was not uncommon to see a small red dot sight on top of a scope or at an angle on a rail for close quarters combat.

[@michaelconner9796]

I miss fixed power scopes. 3x is pretty much all I've ever needed out to 300 for deer.

[@glenwaterman1205]

Have you tried the all copper expanding bullets by Maker Bullets?

[@pogeegitz]

Making a rutting hole in the back yard tonight. We'll see if it works, or if I end up sleeping in it.

[@dinoquintana4319]

The 06 is not as Popular as it used to be.that being said it still is and will always be one of the most versatile rounds ever.long live the king

[@wades4253]

3P=3 position shooting competition. Standing, sitting or kneeling, and prone.

[@chipsterb4946]

Learning how to use a “hasty sling” might be more useful for a 30-30 than a bipod.

[@dorarolfzen4132]

Keep It Sharpen.

[@michaelwilson9986]

Whats up with not getting notifications for new stuff of yours of late ??? Hummm. Will figure out.

[@45-70Guy]

If it wasn’t for experimental mentality with reloading I would be able to retire! Trying different bullets , calibers, powders can really be addictive. Though the old 1 load for 1 rifle really makes it easy

[@mckimmym]

Does my vari-x3 2.5-8 count as an LPVO? I started with it on my 270 Win at 14 years old 25 years ago. :)

[@Indarow]

I think it depends on your hunting conditions. If you’re a brush hunter or woods Hunter with some open shooting out to about 200yds then I imagine an LPVO will be perfect. If you’re hunting elk in the Rockies or Pronghorn in the open plains where you’re highly likely to take a 150-200yd shot and might have to take a 300-400yd+ shot, then an LPVO is probably not the right choice.

[@stevem895]

Another word of wisdom from Ron " Be aware of the man with one gun"

[@OvertonLeveller]

take a look at the Swarovski 1-10x. Amazing

[@KingLoopie1]

Lpvo's are fine for hunting/shooting during the day. But, for hunting in the low light hours nothing beats objective size and construction. Lpvo's just don't have the light gathering ability.

[@MinimumSpeedOperator]

I have 5 rifles in 30-06 I’m keeping them in business!😂

[@C_oprator89]

1/7 for 223 for 16inch barrel and shorter 1/8 for barrels longer than 16. That’s been with my testing

[@jaydunbar7538]

Barrel length is not relevant to twist, the length of the bullets you plan to shoot out of them is.

[@C_oprator89]

@@jaydunbar7538 I am breaking new ground and I do think barrel length plus twist rate does effect bullets

[@jefffultz3805]

Can you give a shoutout for 6mm Remington brass to the big brass makers. Would love to have some quality brass. Thanks.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast]

Sure, Jeff, but I think they'll listen a lot more closely to several thousands of shooters asking for that brass. Have you considered making it from Norma's 7x57 Mauser brass?

[@jeffreyadams5017]

Hey Ron if you still have that 30.06 lever action you used in your comparison, I think it was a Browning blr , I would love to buy it or you could gift it to me 😄 if you still have it. You may have decided to keep it or return it to the manufacturer. I love that rifle in 30.06 in a lever action

[@jasonweishaupt1828]

I bet you didn’t lose ammo a second time. 😂

[@patriotmjb]

Orange you glad

[@mikespak1473]

LOL, been hunting for over 50 years and I had to google LPVO...TGIHD!

[@NCWoodlandRoamer]

I had to google TGIHD and I’m still not certain what it is.

[@scottstruif3939]

If you don’t have data on 30-06 rifle sales, why speculate about it? Your difficulty procuring one could because they are so popular they’re sold out.

[@jaydunbar7538]

You don’t spend much time at gun shops if you actually think that, they just don’t sell so the gun shops just don’t order them. At least the ones I frequent, and I’m in a rural area where bolt and lever guns still rule the woods. Plenty of the ammunition still being purchased, most of my family hunts with 06, but all of those rifles are 20+ years old with most of them at least double that. My uncles rifle he still uses every year hasn’t been in production since the 80s, but he likes the old pump 06.

[@genericyoutubeuser1700]

He said the manufacturers he spoke with were not making them frequently. That’s different from not being able to purchase one at a store. If they were selling out, rational manufacturers would make more of them.

[@scottstruif3939]

According to the BackfireTV guy, 30-06 is the 7th most stocked chambering for new rifles. The 6.5CM and 6.5PRC are the only 21st century choices higher on the list. The 30-06 has not fallen out of favor, although the 308 and 300WM are higher on the list, along with the 243 and 7RM.

[@jaydunbar7538]

@@scottstruif3939if you read the disclaimer from him, his numbers are rifles that are in stock at the time he checked so the rifles highest in demand tend to not show high on the list because they are in demand and thus not in stock.

[@mckimmym]

Sounds like there’s needs to be a practice of at least keeping a hunt worth of ammo packaged with your rifle. I have a mantra when I head out to go hunting “gun and bullets”. I figure if I end up in the woods in my birthday suit I can still hunt as long as I’ve got a gun and bullets.

[@christaylor77723]

The higher the twist, the higher the bc for a given bullet

[@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast]

Chris, I'm a bit confused by your statement. Technically it says that barrel twist rate makes bullet B.C. higher, but I suspect what you mean is that a higher B.C. bullet requires a faster twist rate, right? B.C., of course, is not consistent or static. It changes with velocity and degree of yaw over the first 100 yards or so if flight. Lots of complicating factors, but basically we shooters must use a fast enough twist rate to adequately stabilize all bullets, and the longer the bullet, the faster that twist must be. Bullet diameter, length, shape, and density all add up to its basic B.C., but then yaw and associated atmospheric pressures during flight alter things.

[@christaylor77723]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast no sir i meant what I said. BC on the box is a starting point, and you don’t have an accurate BC for your gun until you true your data at distance. You true by confirming dope at two points; one at a distance 10% before the transonic zone, and one distance 10% or more past transonic. When all else is equal; the faster a bullet is spinning, the longer a projectile will maintain its BC over the course of its flight path. Giving you a higher trued BC . You can see it in action when playing with your twist rates in a Kestrel or any Applied Ballistic’s math based ballistic app. I’ve tested it on the long range myself to confirm, between two sub MOA 18” stainless .223 wylde barrels shooting 77g SMKs at 1,100 yards. The 1:7 twist has less drop and wind deflection than the 1:8 twist barrel. After plugging in my actual truing data, my kestrel and AB app calculate BC to be higher in the 1:7 twist barrel. You can talk to Brian Litz from Applied Ballistics and or Joe Dawson of Bruiser Industries about it for a more professional and accurate explanation of the math and science behind it. You don’t have dope or an accurate BC in your gun until you true your data. Have a good one.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast]

@@christaylor77723 Thanks for the clarification. Makes sense now.

[@kenstygles6854]

RON ,, ILL let you borrow mine, if you want

[@Scottbayer]

Come on Ron this guy is asking you a question about Mossberg rifles and the quality. Obviously he wants a good hunting rifle is there not some other really good rifle in this price range that you could suggest? like a Winchester model 70 which is in the same price range and it’s a beautiful Woodstock rifle.

[@jaydunbar7538]

Not everyone wants a wood stock, and a cheap wood stock may look better but functionally it’s worst then the synthetics. I’ve got a savage with a wood stock sitting around barely used because the stock is twisted up and a new stock is the same cost as the rifle was. The cheap ones also tend to not be fully finished so they have lots of exposed wood allowing moisture in the wood to fluctuate drastically which can destroy accuracy and ruin crack or twist the stock. Have plenty of wood in my gun safes and as a hobbyist woodworker obviously I love the look of a good chunk of wood, but that doesn’t make it the best for everything. Won’t see much wood at a target competition for a reason.

[@Scottbayer]

Get whatever stock you want. Ron is the one that mention wood but if you prefer a Mossberg rifle well then fantastic great for you.

[@hockeytownluv2012]

Low performance visibility optic

[@lrac7751]

30-06 is obviously a great cartridge, but with the internet, and you tube specifically, people are more knowledgeable. We were always told that we had to handle as much recoil as possible. Just because our first .243 worked perfectly, we had to graduate to a real gun eventually. We now know that’s a load of crap

[@christaylor77723]

Raise your hand if you have a 30-06, keep it raised if you’ve ever burned out a barrel.. nobody, Are you sure? Not a single one?

[@jaydunbar7538]

To be fair, most people never shoot enough to burn out a barrel of anything even notorious barrel burners like the Noslers or 22-250. I bet my grandpas 30-30 seen maybe 10 boxes in the 40 years he used it.

[@ziruk-king4466]

1x3 weaver--- gets elk every year. 😮

[@krakenslappin8586]

I had a Christensen Arms Mesa 6.5 CM. Broke it in exactly the way they recommended. It was not accurate at all. After trying 8 different bullet types I found one that was ok. Of course it was a round I would never use. Biggest disappointment I ever had in a rifle purchase. CA I will always stay away from now.

[@brandonmadden4169]

I work at a gunshop and I’ve learned Christiansen firearms is such a crooked company. Their firearms are the most expensive piece of junk you can buy. They know their quality control is nonexistent yet they do nothing about it and just expect people to think they just suck at shooting and it’s not the gun. 60% of the firearms people transfer in from them have to go back and get redone. We won’t even carry them in store because of this. If you research them online there is an overwhelming amount of bad feedback about them. I wouldn’t even bother reviewing it again because they are going to do everything they can to make that rifle look good for you and it won’t even be a reflection of what normal people like us would be receiving. That first review however is a perfect reflection of how that company is.

[@dansaver8247]

Good video. Go Vets. Go Trump.

[@Juliankb39]

Irons need back up acogs. The acog will remain far after our species has met its end, even the heat death of the universe. Once the cycle begins anew within the eternal recurrence, the acog, having discovered it too is eternal and immune to the pathetic forces of entropy that claim even the most monstrous super massive black hole, will then witness the great cosmic unfolding before it's eternal prismatic gaze, to rule over the absolute of all that is, has been, and always shall be.

[@rickimperatori6960]

LPVO’s could be an option for shorter range calibers like say a 45-70 lever gun? I find them sorta heavy for what they are as opposed to say a 2-7 x 33 Leupold. The reticles are often a little busy for my preferences. I’d rather not have Aunt Irma’s buttermilk biscuit recipe transposed over my field of view.

[@patcoder7308]

Come on ron you know what Christiansen arm said your gas lighting us

[@edwardabrams4972]

All the gun writers and videos are gaslighting and if your just now coming to this conclusion your in a pretty sad mental shape😱 Having a life of 60+ years of gun collecting as well as a hunter and reloading and by my last count a little over 2,500 guns bought and owned over that time the writers are here to make a living at what they love and as long as you remember that you will not be so critical of others and you just might learn something new but in your case I doubt it😳

[@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast]

Chistiansen Arms said to send it back and they'd check it out and get back to us. They got back merely saying the rifle had been a rush job (no 30-06 in stock) to meet our filming dates, so they hadn't built it correctly. That's paraphrasing. I've not idea what was built incorrectly. Might have been any number of things, the point being that they were going to correct the incorrect and get the rifle back to us for further testing -- but that hasn't happened yet. I've put in another call for an update. No word yet. Sorry.

[@REDNECKROOTS]

3030 is a 150yard max round. All these guys always claim 250 300 yards. Yea right. Its bout lost it's punch by then. 3030 shines at 100 yards n under

[@tripplebeards3427]

1/10 for a 243!

[@davidruppel1216]

I have my .243win with a 1 in 7.5" twist. I can stabilize upto 115 gr. bullets. I've never shot 115gr in it but I shoot 112gr under moa at 1200 yards.

[@lucasvaughn629]

Way too slow!

[@tripplebeards3427]

@@lucasvaughn629 no it's actually the perfect twist rate from everything from 55 to 100 grains. Its been the industry standard from when it was introduced till the fast twist rage a few years ago. I have two rifles in 1/10 and one each of 1/9, 1/8, and 1/7. The 1/10's will shoot one hole groups measuring .2 to .3 at 200 yards with 55's to 100 grainers. The 1/10's outshoot all three faster twist guns. If I wanted to shoot over a 100 grain bullet, which is what a faster twist is meant for, Id buy larger caliber. Same with all the goofy fast twist .224 rage. 99% of them will be obsolete in the next 3 to 5 years. Just like the ultra mags, WSSM, and WSM's. One or two will stick around and the rest will go by the wayside. All marketing hype and rage imo. At least it gives us something to debate on.

[@davidruppel1216]

@@tripplebeards3427 I've had better accuracy with the 1-7.5 with 100 gr 105gr 108gr and 112gr . The Barnes match burner 112gr at about 3000fps being the most accurate for long range. I built the rifle for long range. 18.5lbs is not something I would pack around for hunting that's forsure.

[@jaydunbar7538]

My daughter’s 243 shoots moa or better with every thing she’s tried in it which is at least a half dozen different hunting rounds in the 90-100gr, it’s a factory 1/10.

[@jeffbetts4254]

Insurance is a scam, live life at your own risk.

[@jaydunbar7538]

In most things I agree, but it is a risk assessment and we all assess risk for ourselves and will always come to different conclusions.

[@bryanfox2735]

Ok! This where I get lost! We use to sight our gun and shoot shit white whatever ammo!!! So what’s the deal know?????

[@dinoquintana4319]

Thank you so much for Aknowledging our Vietnam vets.please also remember the nurses and Dr's who served there.ŵe are generally thought to have lost that war.they stopped the spread of communism which is a huge wiñ.God bless them all

[@jaydunbar7538]

Look at the death counts, it wasn’t our military that lost the war, it was a shit show caused 100% by politicians sitting safely in DC.