30-06 Springfield vs 300 Winchester Mag

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[@stevencunningham4680]

The 30-06 just keeps getting better and better. A B.C. of.597 is awesome.

[@georgemcarthur488]

It can't be beat for versatility. Every thing from mild cast bullets to spicy 220 grain sledge hammers.

[@Don_Frahn]

That is an incredible B.C. I’ve been enjoying the Barnes 168 gr TTSX. B.C. Is lower but it’s an amazing load

[@hvuu1628]

now put it in a 300 win mag?

[@georgemcarthur488]

@@hvuu1628 Why not in the 300 Weatherby or 300 Lapua? Recoil, knuckle head.

[@rexhamilton6381]

@@Don_Frahn I can’t find that bullet. I keep swing the TSX but the BC is significantly lower.

[@normanmccollum6082]

The ol' girl still kicks, what ain't broke ought not be fixed.

[@DT-lr2bi]

Need more on the 30.06.

[@brandonparrett2436]

Need more rifles. If the factory would make a box fed threaded barrel then it would make a real nice popularity surge. I know a lot of folks that want 1 rifle. A rifle that shoots steel most of its life but can also shoot elk and anything around that. But when you need to refer someone you don’t have a factory built 3006 to send them to.

[@jamiehurtt3530]

If you want more then look at the 210 grain ABLR in 30-06

[@1001CP]

Even growing up in the 60s/70s, the 30-06 had loads from super light hyper fast to heavy duty beast ammo. And now it just gets upgraded ballistics on top of all the "old" ones is mind blowing!. I love shooting my 1903 and Garand. Usually 150gr called for but they work great for my needs. It is great to see such a great cartridge really show what it can do.

[@jimscallen6452]

I love my 30-06. What ever rifle caliber you choose. Comes down to personal preference.😊

[@JacStocker]

A friend of mine hunts elk with a 243 and it works for him. Dead is dead. 🤔

[@humpy936]

Just another reason for me to love my old Winchester model 70 30.06. ❤

[@DT-lr2bi]

Remington 700 BDL 😊❤️

[@user-td1zo3tv9p]

There are NO flies on either of these rifles if you ask me. And I wouldn't feel umdergunned carrying either into the mountains in search for a good bull Elk or a hefty cow Elk, either. Both could fill the tag as long as I did MY part.

[@JamesJones-cx5pk]

That's a Classic.👍

[@humpy936]

@@DT-lr2bi I have two older Remington 700 BDL‘s, one in .223 with varmint barrel a pretty rare rifle, and one in 300 Winchester magnum, both excellent rifles with exceptional triggers, almost as good as the one on my model 70 Winchester.

[@H43339]

Model 70, in 270 Win. Rifleman's Rifle.

[@williammccaulley281]

The 30-06 is the yardstick used for comparison when talking about other cartridges. I'll take the yardstick since everyone talkes about it.

[@jessekulbe1855]

Nothing wrong with that

[@Man-qr9by]

Same as 308, it's what all the short actions are compared with now too.

[@Man-qr9by]

Same as 308, it's what all the short actions are compared with now too.

[@Man-qr9by]

Same as 308, it's what all the short actions are compared with now too.

[@Man-qr9by]

Same as 308, it's what all the short actions are compared with now too.

[@asap_wave7900]

The terminal ascent 175gr 30-06 round has shot wonders and really shows what the 30-06 is capable of

[@jonathanrogers9961]

Same bullets, 300 win mag just kicks em out a little faster. If your willing to deal with a lot more recoil for an extra 100-200fps go for it.

[@tommysmyth254]

I like the 30-06 Springfield and the 300 Win mag good caliber

[@brianmanners8910]

3006 one of the best if not the best all around cartridge for the last 118 yrs .😮😎👍🏻❤

[@Murphy_13507]

Ron. 300 weatherby. History and ballistics. Love the videos

[@reggieswindeall7438]

I love the 06 so much I own 5 of them. I have others but she is my favorite

[@BaronvonMoorland]

I love this channel. I find is so relaxing.

[@jaseschellinger9240]

Dude I feel the same. I couldn't come up with the explanation. Nailed it.

[@ColdBore4]

Not only does he have a great narrators voice, but he seems like a real humble guy who just puts the fun back into the sport.

[@MyS10Rocks]

Great video!

[@manuelve1998]

Love this round. Very versatile.

[@nospam3409]

Under 300 yards, most cartridges work just fine.

[@stevenhansen5251]

Love my 1970s Ruger 77 30:06 165grn Federal Premium, Big Wisconsin Whitetails hate it.

[@shannonbarattini5772]

I was told by an NRA MASTER. THAT the 165 gr bullet was the BEST Bullet for the 30-06 all around. I have a Rem 700 in 30-06 with an redfeild 3X9 I got in 1974. And it will still shoot MOA out to 300 yards. Soo keep your NEWER rifles and newer ROUNDS 6.5 CM, 300 PRC, 7 MAG, WHAT EVER. KISS ALWAYS

[@approachingtarget.4503]

In all honesty it comes down to over all cost and recoil. Reloaded might spend a few pennies more on hand loads. Off the shelf ammo and rifle platforms for the 300 cost more than a few pennies. For hunters in realms below 700 meters. Both are fairly similar in ballistics. Over 700, the 300 carries out flatter. It's all about cost to performance ratios. Below 700...save your money! Recoil and follow-up shots can be manageable with both. Depending on the platform.

[@georgemcarthur488]

I'm a 6.5 guy. But the 06 with a 165-168 Barnes TSX would be in my hands when push came to shove.

[@stephenparchewski1998]

With the same bullet, the .300 Win Mag only really stretches your effective range an extra 75 yards or so over the .30-06. Is the 300 win mag more powerful…yes. Is it really that big of a difference…not really. Unless you are shooting at extended ranges would the 300 win mag be a clear winner of those two.

[@georgemcarthur488]

Oh for sure! I think he's just trying to put things into perspective that the old man isn't "That far" behind the 300. The only thing really holding back the 300 win is that it wasn't designed at the time for the looong slippery bullets of today. You could re-chamber a 300 win with a long throat and basically have the 300 PRC.

[@georgemcarthur488]

@WeThe People Do I smell sarcasm?😆

[@royjohnson465]

Or as an example my dad shot a Moose with his 308 Win and the bullet stuck in his shoulder bone and did not penetrate, so a 300 Win Mag would have more penetration power also for Texas heart shots.

[@actionjksn]

For hunting, yes it is a pretty big difference. It's not just about range it's also about how hard it's going to hit at range.

[@martinmoore5335]

300 win mag has worse ballistics than 06 or 308

[@timothygarrett9372]

The .30-06 has earned its place. I've argued that it is ONE of the best all American cartridges. I've only owned 1, and I regret selling it, but I've had a love of the .300 in mag since I first laid hands on one in 2006.

[@fightingbear8537]

Thanks for the info!

[@motionsickness4088]

I use both and they each have a purpose. Love them both!

[@xnavyro]

Love this analysis of bullets!

[@johnnyhighwoods1780]

Hi Ron, thanks for all your great content ! Question, l was wondering if you ever had the chance to use the 300 Savage to hunt with and taken any game with it? always, farmer john

[@phil20_20]

It's amazing how things begin to equalize when you figure in downrange air resistance.

[@garrettschienschang7898]

I ignored BC with my most recent batch of hand loads. Using a 150 grain SST in my 300 WMG I got 3330.5 FPS average giving me a 4 inch mpbr of 280 yards. While it doesn’t hold as much energy at that range as you’re heavier projectiles it still retains 2375fpe.

[@T_Burd_75]

Glad to see someone else understand that point-blank range doesn't mean muzzle-contact. 😉👍

[@kielerklenk7791]

Love Ron Spomers Channel!

[@dependsonwhoyouask9574]

300 win mag can do over 3100 FPS with 180 gr bullets…. Is Hornady sponsoring this video to promote the 300 prc??????

[@georgemcarthur488]

😆 maybe. The PRC is essentially the win mag with a longer throat.

[@dutch9357]

If you watch the longer video he comparing the modern loadings for a 30-06 vs the original 60’s era 300 Win Mag, showing how much technology has improved the 30-06. My question is how the hell are you getting almost 2800 out of a 190 grain bullet? I’ve loaded some hot loads, but I don’t believe you can push one that fast.

[@georgemcarthur488]

@@dutch9357 I'm not sure what kind of witch craft they have going on at Hornady with their "superformance" ammo. But I'm betting they're using premium brass to compensate for 10,000+ psi for one shot maximum velocity. I've done the same thing loading hot 50 BMG. Testing every case for hardness. That's all I can think of, or they're not disclosing the length of barrel. Best I can do in a 22" with a 190gr is about 2600. Edit: I was mistaken. 2400fps in the 22". 2600fps in a 24".

[@TheJohnb231]

Compare that 300 WM with the same projectile. It’s not the 100-200 FPS folks are talking about here. If there’s advances in the ‘06, the same applies to all calibers

[@bobbyboothe8964]

Fantastic video

[@oneshotpete6.591]

that 309PRC load is awesome 😮

[@tomwinslow5086]

The 30-06 is ,in my opinion, the best cartridge ever made. It shoots a wide range of bullet weights, and shoots them all pretty damn good.

[@hvuu1628]

same can be said about the 8mm mauser it was model after.

[@PC-vq5ud]

@@hvuu1628 Actually I think the impetus for the 30-03 came from the Army experience in Cuba against the 7mm Mauser the Spanish had.

[@A.Steppe]

What about comparing it to 300 Weatherby mag?

[@nabeelrafique7166]

Why didn't you use the AccuBond Long Range (ABLR) 190grain bullet for 300 win mag? You purposefully chose a round nose Core-Lokt bullet with low ballistic coefficient for 300 win mag data !

[@kurtwise7356]

Been hunting with my 06 for almost 50 yrs! Nothing I've hit went far!

[@royjohnson465]

What is the ‘one or two very best’ type of bullet (and also weight) with a good B.C. for a 30-06 to use on Moose.? ~Something from Remington, Browning, Winchester, Hornady, Federal, Barnes, Nosler Partition, ABLR (AccuBond Long Range with a 190 grain .597 B.C.), Corelokt, Swift A-Frame (in 165 to 200 grain) ‘or’ what else.?

[@nedrgr21]

Did same 20 yrs ago with .270 win with Barnes vs 7 rem mag

[@ianmiller8653]

I have an old Remington semi Auto 30-06

[@Eric--zs6um]

30-06 IS THE GOAT.

[@Colt-tf6xf]

My brother won a new gun in 300 kabookie short magnum and the writers all said throw away the sliced bread fellas this is "IT". Can't find shells for it so back to sliced bread, kabookie land let him down, along with all those elks and mooses and brown bears just waiting out in the woods hollering "Take Me---Take Me !"

[@tomeng9520]

6,5x55mm Swedish rules ✌🏽🤠

[@T_Burd_75]

Another great cartridge! Quite the freight train with the 140's. I used to have an all original Carl Gustav 1917 Swede and it was a real gem. Nothing like smacking a steel plate at 300 yards with iron sights, shooting off-hand.

[@thepracticalrifleman]

Why would you compare apples to oranges? That same ABLR can be loaded in the .300 Winchester, too.

[@georgemcarthur488]

Comparing what the 30-06 is capable of with newer high B.C. bullets vs what people have usually used in the last 30 years out of the 300.

[@zebacake4683]

old vs new

[@thepracticalrifleman]

@@georgemcarthur488 silly comparison. Compare the new bullets in .30-06 to old bullets in .30-06 then.

[@waynestone6462]

​@@thepracticalriflemanSilly ? I am going to listen to Ron buddy . You silly !

[@georgemcarthur488]

@@thepracticalrifleman He's done that about a dozen times now. Nothing wrong with coming out with new content.

[@Squishysforbreakfast]

Can the Ackley improved version fire the 190s?

[@percyfaith11]

What does BC stand for?

[@Crooked2455]

What u mean when u say " new" 3006?

[@jhford1234]

Wish gun manufacturers would make new rifles in 30-06. Noticing their top of the line models are omitting the caliber

[@paulsouth4794]

Thats odd Ron .. I'm getting 2970 with remington corloc 180gr .. hand loads within book max . The win mag should be able to easy do 3200

[@jacktrout5807]

If you really look at this data you see the 300wm actually outperformed both! You can see if you put a projectile of equal BC into the 300wm it's going to beat both of the other cartridges in regards to mpr!

[@dwayneelizondomountaindewh6073]

please make a .30 carbine video.

[@Wyatt-wc7hj]

Theres evudence provided vy spomer that the 06 performs slightly better wjen it comes to flat shooting at about 400 yards than the 300 win mag. I suggest researching more but seems reasonable considering the BC the 06 achieved here.

[@ericwittman3]

All the arguments in favor of the 30-06 over the 308 are the same for the 300 WinMag over the the 06.

[@dozer1642]

I shoot 300WinMag and 30-06. I love them both and I would never own a “modern” caliber no matter how fashionable it may be.

[@josecoop]

How is any different than when you compared the 308 to 30-06? You claimed the -06 was superior to the 308 with about the same difference and now the -06 is equal or superior to the 300 win mag?

[@jamiehurtt3530]

now try the 210 grain ABLR at 2625 + fps with a 0.661 bc it's a solid 600 yd elk rifle at 7000 ft hunting elevation with 1800 ft lbs of energy at 600 yds

[@richardgifford4195]

300 Weatherby ?

[@wolf-ls7jx]

Now, try a 225gr Hornady in 300 win. The b.c. is .777. now you can understand the "new" 300 win mag.

[@ericsabot8369]

Sounds like the new 30-06 is pretty nice.

[@raymondpexton5440]

3006 will drop anything in north america so it is also easier to fine

[@georgemcarthur488]

You're got'damn right. And it has. Every generation gets a case of "Magnumitis".

[@GreasiestGuido]

im looking for a rifle I dont two hand stand fire but rest it or bipod it so im thinking .300 because the recoil wont matter at the point

[@karlmason6145]

What is the point of comparing a very good load in 30 06 to a very average load in 300 winmag one is clearly a very good long range load and one is not!!!

[@highcountryadventures9606]

Love Ron, love the 3006 and love the 300 win mag. But the way people keep comparing cartridges to a 300 win mag and claiming superiority to it while giving the 300 win mag a severe handicap with bullet choice is just disrespectful.

[@joshuamaxwell8376]

So that's a 4$ per round 06 vs a $1.20 per round .300 wm

[@The_Fitz]

You’re finding $1.20 per round on the 300WM? You must live in an awesome area. I can’t find it for under $3.50/round

[@offgridcanadawithheatheran6889]

When you hand load and really think about the best performance possible the old cartridges are still the best. The new like PRCs etc are only better with a very small selection of bullets. Example 7mm rem mag v 7mm PRC, load both with nosler bullets either 160 gr accubond or a partition,the 7rem mag is better. The new cartridges only perform better with long high BC bullets. Hard to beat an old cartridge hand loaded.

[@classicrocker889]

Well the 3006 has been a Favorite of Hunters for a Long time but if they Worked on the 300 Win Caliber also it will have improvements also . Just Two Great Calibers.

[@mafirearmsafety]

Ought 6 has many loads and weights, my favorite.

[@kennethgoin628]

No more than 10yds between four offerings. Might as well stay with the .06!

[@michiganwoodsman2199]

As a gunsmith and bear guide, and math lover, I only comment on this channel. Half because you make me think and then half because your words are aggravating for a 300 wm lover. My 300 wm with a break on it is a 8 ish pound rifle and I’ve shot to 1200 yds. But we use great bullets. The NEW 300 will demolish the 06, and the recoil doesn’t exist with a new bergara or browning, or Christensen arms with a good muzzle break. The 06 is 100 years old. It’s just not a comparison

[@johnathanhurd3561]

Or my Nemo AR chambered in 300 win mag. 18 inch barrel almost 10 lbs a little heavy. Nemo besides being a much sturdier platform than the AR10 and it has one of the best innovations with its buffer integrated into the BCG. The more substantial platform itself absorbs some of the recoil and the integrated buffer pulls the recoil down to Somewhere between AR15-AR10 levels without muzzle break or ported barrel. I feel safer with it when it comes to large predators like a grizzly or perhaps a BigFoot. I would think more effective against level 3 body armour and perhaps the UN soldiers wearing it. Priorities!

[@johnathanhurd3561]

Also IMO better sniper capability.

[@jimjessie2704]

if you shoot at anything but paper at 1200 yds you are no hunter bear guide or not

[@jwbrdkllr_y.C]

As a Marine sniper (20) years, there is sooooo much you can do in an .06 that just isn't possible w others. I can go out to 1600yd and drop anything 10" or larger. 300? Nope not accurate enough. I can shoot a .32acp in my rifle -doesn't make a sound, literally the pin is louder than the muzzle. I can hit pop cans 8/10 @750yd w .224 accelerators, drop antelope destroy minimal meat. .06 specialty ammo is over counter ALL across the US AND a lot of other countries. Good reloaded custom ammo, way better than all his ballistics he's reading, thats just factory bs. My standard for my rifle, 168gn SL match @3230fps POA is out to 457yd. Use the scope? Anything out to 2m is dead.

[@cabochris100]

So Ron, you're going back to an 06? I'll stick with my 300 RUM😊

[@MichaelRobertson-i8f]

The MRX bullets made by Barns was the Finest bullet ever made

[@darrellblanchard2362]

Hammer bullets are very accurate. My 358 STA shoots 1" 3 shot groups at 200 yards.

[@glockfan87]

It’s my baby!!

[@johnabbott3896]

Apples and Oranges as long as you are not comparing the same bullet.

[@johncantrell8904]

Same bullet works in the 300 wm. I don't see what this comparison is supposed to tell. That a higher b.c. bullet loses steam at a slower rate than lower b.c. bullet. I already knew that. Swap the bullets in the loads being fired and all of a sudden the 300 mag has a 45 yard advantage in pbr. How many times do you gun writer types report the same stuff? I remember a spoof story written about gun writers by Jack O'Conner. The main chapter was writing an article about 3006 vs 270 for 100th time. I guess the firearms journalist trade has very little to do but push new products for the people who buy add space in thier publications.

[@JacStocker]

50, 60 years ?? The 06 has been around twice that long

[@karlorth4156]

Hard to beat the ol'06

[@mtman2]

It'll never go away tho the .270 offspring was a real winner...!

[@TimHopp-ue6fe]

3006 is the parent case to the 270. Also the 280 rem the 25.06 and the 338.06

[@robertpatter5509]

Two good loads for .300WM to match or beat the 30-06. - Hornady ELD-X 200gr (.597 BC) - Federal Terminal Ascent 200gr (.608BC)

[@t-bfr45-70]

It's not hard for any load in 300 to beat 30-06 this is just showing how far the 06 has came in capability from the old rounds of the past. The good old Remington cb of the past was a pretty standard 300wm back when 300wn came out was a huge difference in power of the 06 the new 06 round is right there with it yet at same time new 300wm is again leaps above the new 30-06.

[@TheRealA-A-ron]

HOLY COW! That 300 PRC is a cannon! Ouch!😢

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Do you really think so? It's velocities aren't much faster than the 300 Wby. Mag. that came out in the 1940s. The 300 RUM and 30-378 Wby. Mags are faster.

[@TheRealA-A-ron]

Those are cannons too!😊

[@leonardogarcia2506]

I think Ron does this to get the comment section going! 😂 if cartridges are being compared, they should all use the same bullet when they’re in the same caliber. All being 30 cal, they should all be using the 190 ablr with published max load data. First and last time I’m going to comment this as it does irk me a bit every time this is being done. 😂 one will get a vld high bc bullet and the other will have a round nose light for caliber bullet like Hornady did with the 6.5 creed against the .300 win mag! 😂

[@InfidelGS]

Now do the core-lokt 220gr

[@awsomedude9111]

I like 300WM but 30-06 is currenly half price on ammoseek, used to find cheap 30-06 in steel

[@t-bfr45-70]

Then you better expect cheap power he comparison is anything but a cheap 06 round against the cheapest 300wn.

[@MJSherwood]

Laughs in 17hmr. These numbers are insane to read about.

[@leroymorris6036]

Virtually the same with way less kick!

[@ScienceFoundation]

Yeah but that's not really a fair comparison if you're intentionally using an inferior bullet in the .300WM. Load the .300 With the same projectile.

[@kendalldawson162]

30-06 @ 180gr?

[@brianmadsen8888]

This chart shows 2 things. The ol 30-06 is still king… but the only way to sell new wise bang cartridges is to completely neuter the 300 win mag to make the new cartridge look enticing at all… 😂😂😂

[@timothyprice9064]

Why not use two bullets of the same weight?

[@MrGuitars8]

I Love the 300 WIN .!!!

[@Tac0caT0]

Compare that with the 7mm Remington May!

[@George-yd7cx]

It would be right in between

[@mje1234]

I have 3. 30.06's . 1 bolt 1semiauto 1 pump

[@rje5101]

Can you use a 7.62 bullet in reloading a 30.06?

[@ED-2.0.9.]

provided u're speaking of/meaning the projectile component only, you almost always can *with good data*. note tho', that you should only use .308 (perhaps some .309) caliber rounds, but Russian, Soviet, Warsaw pact style "7.62" is .311 caliber (+ or - a thousandth two occasionally) so don't source those for 30-06.

[@bettysand8180]

I would have liked to seen a comparison with all that and an 8 mm Mauser thrown in 😊

[@krookpd01]

30.06,,,, everyone else,bow down,, for the king

[@haydenhumpherys1578]

But why would you compare it to the 300 prc with its worst performing bullet? Compare it with the 212 gr ELD-X and it’s not even close

[@talisikid1618]

06 is just a gussied up 308 or dumbed down 300h&h or winmag.

[@haroldmilroy4489]

Let’s be fair here. Let’s load the 300 Win with the same high BC loaded in the 06. This comparison is skewed in favour of the 06. Not saying it’s not a great caliber which it is but I really dislike comparisons like this one.

[@robertwatson818]

3200 plus with a 190 grain projectile---out of a 30--06???

[@willyishere]

Foot pounds of energy not feet per second

[@mdixon26288]

Ron c'mon man you know the bullet makes a big difference. ABLR vs Corelokt is not equal even with a little more powder behind it.

[@thepracticalrifleman]

Lol a lot of old Fudds are mad at me for saying the same thing 😂

[@WayStedYou]

that is what he is showing in the video..

[@thepracticalrifleman]

@@WayStedYou he was trying to show the “modern” .30-06 is on par with .300 Win Mag hence the title. I submit a better comparison is the change one variable at a time, per the scientific method. Compare the same cartridge with two bullets, or two cartridges with the same bullet.

[@mdixon26288]

@@thepracticalrifleman Exactly. Ron was insinuating that the ole 30-06 hangs right with the 300wm. Well yeah its gets close if you pick the least impressive factory loading of the 300wm vs the best of the 30-06. Of course apples to apples is a different story.

[@thepracticalrifleman]

@@mdixon26288 yep!!!