Roof-Top Awnings are NOT Practical! (watch before you buy)

[@PlayingwithSticks]

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[@metaxaanabeer]

I'm going to chime in and recommend the EZ Up shelters.Ours is 10x10 and with 2 people it is easy to move it to where it is needed. It doesn't impact fuel mileage as it packs into the trailer. I can set it up solo if needed, it is high enough that we can run our propane campfire under it. I had the local marine upholstery guy make me two mesh screen tarps for it and if needed we use a regular hardware store tarp on the third side. Then it fits over the galley with a "living" room out back. The mesh knocks down any wind or rain while keeping us in the outdoors still. Oh, it cost just a bit over $100 7 or 8 years ago.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Honestly the EZ ups are hard to beat. We mentioned this in one of our first videos on the channel. One of my favorite EZ Up setups is on the channel Hangin with Herky. I love how they setup their camp every weekend. It feels like a little home.

[@harrymills2770]

I've got a 10x10. It's not EZ-Up brand. I think it's Columbia. It was hiding in a storage shed on the property I bought. I use it in tandem with an off-road mini-camper. Usually, it's part-way over the camper. Pretty easy to move it, bit by bit, if you're patient. You can anchor it to the camper, which makes it a good deal more stable. Also, nobody talks about it, but you can set them at half-mast, without extending to full height, for a down-low experience, that's more wind-resistant.

[@leelhgfx5546]

For anyone reading this, and wondering about setup and takedown in the wind. There is a simple solution. Only attach or unattach the guidelines with each span, so you aren't fighting with loose canvas flapping in the breeze. You remove a line, pull the spoke, arrange the fabric, keeping one spoke against the other, remove the next. Its really simple. I you pull all the stakes leaving the spokes to move freely it gets out of control.

[@paranormalwheelers]

Exactly I typically like his reviews, but i totally disagree with his assessment. I have awnings for years and I love mine . The only issue I ever had was that I have to take them off my truck when doing crazy trails like the rubicon 😅

[@PlayingwithSticks]

This is only possible with Australian style awnings. This video has been out for a long time and when it was made, you weren’t finding these in the states. You cannot remove one guline at a time because of how these North American models fold to put away. Essentially the Takeaway here is get an Australian 270 awning.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@paranormalwheelers as to the comment that you were responding to, this is not possible with the style of 270° awning in the video. Since making this video, I’ve come to learn that the Australian style awnings can be taken down easily in the wind because you can remove one guyline at a time. Hopefully North American manufacturers will pick up on this and start making models like South Africa and Australia. I’ve seen a few switching over, but most are still using the inferior method

[@YilmazArdaSingh]

I have an 8' x 8' ARB awning on my van and, its pretty easy to put up and take down. However, if wind is any more than 13 mph and I have no trees to help break the gusts, I don't even bother trying to put it up. I'm too afraid I'll bend a pole. I had to roll it up once in the middle of the night in snow and that was my lesson. No awnings in wind. I also have the screen room attachment and it does help to keep the awning planted once there's stuff inside of it but that too becomes a sail.

[@CinkSVideo]

You basically experienced all the things that I was concerned about with the 180 and bat wing awnings. I opted for the square. I always want things that can be managed with one person. Get my Bean in February.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

February is so close! I can't wait to hear what you do for your shakedown trip. And the beauty is there are so many great warm locations right near where you pick her up! I must say we are a bit jealous. Wait until you see the camper we are working on. Definitely not a Bean. Haha. You could barely classify it as a camper based on the size. We sure got spoiled with a 5X10 camper with 5 foot ceilings. Haha.

[@carmenmartinez2882]

Thanks for the heads up. I do like awnings but perhaps I’ll try with a simple camping tarp since I have several, they’re easier to fold and use with sucking cups and poles since I have those too. I can just roll it inside the car and fold another day. I also have a pop up gazebo. You just saved me a bunch of money and frustration, thanks!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

That’s the conclusion we came to as well. We will continue to use our tarps, awnings, and instant pop-ups. I still think there’s a place for these type of awnings, but you can’t rely on them to be used in all situations. So basically even if you had one of these you’d still have to bring out a separate tarp for those difficult days.

[@michaeljohn7398]

Use lock poles with plates on the bottom c/w screw in ground anchors. There's no need for any guy ropes, and you unpack/pack wing one section data time. It becomes more manageable in high winds.😁.Cheers from Michael. Australia.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Thank you so much! You are the first person to give us any advice. Crazy how nobody besides you have shared any solutions.

[@reefgratos2035]

Im curious , Where is that camping area ? I clicked on the video because i saw an awning for sale but i only have a small car.. last camping trip we had no shade of any kind. From morning to dawn it was all under direct sun.. was not fun.. i can get a small car roof awning,, smaller than yours but it will kill the aerodynamic for sure. And i have a small car, most awning are designed for suv and jeep. Also i was told that awning if they collapse due to strong wind.. they can ding your car paint.. the two poles can fail and hit the doors… and they goes on the roof rack but attached by metal u shape bracket which can scratch your shiny roof rack… and just like you mentioned in your video.. it also depends which side you are parked… and which side is the sun. Then it is a car.. so when we are camping (not overlanding).. sometime we need the car to visit the nearest town for a quick errand.. we usually leave all the tent and stuff behind.. but anything attached to the car will have to be uninstalled .. thats the reason i never bought a roof tent. But i figure a roof awning on a car is not a problem…. But im not sure….

[@jacobburke5369]

Imagine complaining about the sun rising opposite to where it sets

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Not tracking with you here Jacob

[@GravInducedSleepTrac]

I think it really depends on the design of the awning. We owned a little guy silver shadow teardrop & Rhino foxwing awning with walls. We never had an issue having the awning out in a windy stormy day. It can also be setup just by one person. My husband never had an issue setting it up even on a windy day. :)

[@talben-shahar2745]

I actually found that the Zero23 270 degree awning to be easy to setup/fold and that the cover is big enough to not fight with it when zipping up. I also heard that the awening walls make it durable to wind much better than the free standing one. Using it on a Pando 2.0 and it's my favorite awning compared to the CVT one

[@mikekay213]

Was getting this exact awning, looks like my initial plan for a pop up canopy, cheap and easy, the moonshade looks weak as the other alternative.

[@OverlandTrailer]

Great Tips Drew. Love it. So true on the wind. I've nearly Dorthy-ed myself a few times. There are solar christmas lights that can go down your stake lines. Handy at night.

[@mikemead2315]

Christmas lights! I like it!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Great idea with the lights. We have not had the chance to dabble in lights very often due to our 24 hour sun. But, this summer we finally had the chance in the lower 48 to add some ambience to the campsite. It felt so magical! p.s. We aren't ghosting you. We still plan to reach out to you regarding the diy teardrop video. We are still trying to figure out how to balance work over here in Thailand and the KZbin channel. Once we get some systems in place we are looking forward to working with you on that video you were kind enough to agree to. I really think the community will love it. And I have a feeling there will be quite a few of them who have never heard of a business like yours.

[@B.A.Bassangler]

LOL, is this the 6th time I've watched this video? I've been checking out different QR systems, and thought on a windy day maybe just pack it up when on the ground? Any experience with this? There doesn't seem to be a lot out there, Racksbrax from AU looked like a contender.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I’m so glad you shared this. The more people we need the more we find everyone is struggling with these in the weather. Even the square awnings that I thought would be immune to this problem seem to have the same issues. Quick release like you mentioned seems to be a great solution. At least you don’t have to be held against your will at your campsite when you’re ready to go.

[@DIYOutdoorLife]

You nailed this Drew, the pros and cons are many each way. Ultimately, I favored the stand alone canopy with side walls. I use it as a side entry tent but it has a lot of versatility. There are certainly days that I wish I had the awning, but most the time canopy set up works great. Excellent run down, very helpful content!

[@marcireale]

Well, you definitely helped me make a decision. I’m in Oklahoma, and we seldom experience winds of less than 15 mph. I’m gonna stick with my clam shelter and a tarp. Thank you.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Glad we could help!

[@dotanswisa1442]

It's completely useless. First I bought the rhino 270, and I sold it after the first use, a waste of time to open it, and even worse, to fold it. My 2nd one was the overland system owning, and the same thing sold it after the first use. We have 2 heavy-duty beach umbrellas worth $150 together. Take 0 space in my jeep, 1 min to open 1 min to close, and we can place it anywhere we want as the sun is moving.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I really appreciate this comment. I tend to get a lot of comments say I am just whining or not using it right. Haha. I honestly think mostly it is people not willing to admit the awning may not be worth as much as most of us paid for them. I think they have their uses. But they are not for every scenario. What are you using for your beach umbrella base?

[@sholland42]

I bought a mesh tarp for a dump truck. Very durable and offers nice shade without worrying about the wind.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Nice! I like the creativity.

[@tomasguerreiro1198]

Hey Drew! I’m from Portugal and I’ve been following you here from quite a while, but I never found you on Instagram or Facebook, do you use any of those apps? I was looking to follow you on more platforms because I love your content !! Keep it up 👍😊

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Beautiful country by the way. Years ago we traveled up from the Algarve hitting little towns all the way up into Porto. The sites and food were amazing. But it was the people that really left an impression on us. We secured a Facebook account, but never initiated it. And we do not have an Instagram. We always say we are going to start one. But, then life happens. Haha. At some point we really do need to start another account. May has a lot of stories and pictures she would love to tell/show and has nowhere to show them. She is the creative one in the family and unfortunately has no creative outlet. I guarantee you if this was her KZbin channel it would be much better! But, she has been pushing me to start a Thai KZbin channel where she would be the face. We just aren't sure how to balance that with work here and the Thai camping content that will eventually be hitting the channel as well.

[@Rambl-n_Man]

Great video! Just bought a teardrop and a 6 sided gazelle. Awnings are an issue where we live.a.k.a. second windiest state in the lower 48. Here, the wind can come up any time so having your awning ripped off is very likely, regardless if you are around or not. Plus, you have to break down at night as unexpected wind and storms roll in..unfortunately I learned this the hard way with a larger trailer. I love the looks of the bat wing, but not practical here. A smaller square one may be the route we go with that can be stored quickly and easily. Thanks for the video

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I had to look up the top 5. I spend a lot of time in Nebraska and South Dakota. Both very windy. But I was really surprised Wyoming wasn't on that list. Windiest place I have been and I have been there a lot in my life! Wonder how they measure wind? Based on the top 5 does that mean you live in Kansas? We haven't been there often, but I can definitely see it being a windy place. We spent a large portion of our time this summer in the western mountain areas. And like you said, we were often on edge as those storms creep up on you fast.

[@Rambl-n_Man]

@@PlayingwithSticks Actually live in Iowa and see we are top 5 as far as wind, however, we are second as far as most wind farms behind only texas so I mixed my facts a bit I think...lol. Regardless the wind is nearly constant and I ride a lot of gravel, so we are always battling it. I guess it makes us stronger riders..lol.

[@dromadez]

Should get the bushwaka 270 darkness, just answered all your problems....

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Yes, I’ve had a number of people share this with us. Thank you! Now we need to get the American companies on board with making this type of quality.

[@dromadez]

@@PlayingwithSticks I just checked out the "Boss 270" they are 🇦🇺 made, yes it's more expensive but if you do a review that would be awesome, I support Australia made products all day..

[@dimambroguitar]

Love your vids, watched most if not all of em . I’ve started using this awning this summer and absolutely love it. I have yet to take down in high wind. Once we camped out in a high wind situation and I avoided putting the awning up. I always keep an eye on the weather forecast to plan on using it or not. We just got a clam shell tent but haven’t figured out good lighting yet. Please do a video on lighting! We want to hang out at night and read books with our kids without having to wear headlamps or be blinded by a lantern.

[@gretchenoppriecht3726]

The balance and honest assessment you give to the different equipment and products you use is very refreshing. Thank you!!!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

That is so nice to hear Gretchen! Thanks for the kind feedback.

[@GunNut37086]

Drew, you covered every single pro & con I weighed before and since I bought my awning. Great video! I'll just add that it rained all day, every day on our last camping trip here in TN. Every single reservation I had about my Rhino Rack Batwing with tapered walls was completely forgotten. LOL

[@IllusionSector]

So, is it worth owning an awning?

[@GunNut37086]

@@IllusionSector IMHO, yes, absolutely. I love that it can keep the sun off of us when it's hot and keep all our stuff dry when it rains

[@dentray]

OZTent RV5 30 second tent and a caravan connector.

[@Royjohnston-p1p]

Our batwing swingtent is within easy reach, I,m 1.82 cm + my wife is 1.51 cm. We were advised by the agent to put each pole in one by one, one person "me" holding the tent + the other my "wife" putting the pins in + finally me making sure everything is secure. It really goes quick once you,ve done it a few times. The sides have zips which do up very easily so you can have as many or few as you want. We were also advised to fold the tent starting at 45 degrees instead of straight up because it,s much easier to fold away. All my guide lines have hooks which makes it very simple to set everything up. I personally always have a set of galvanised hooks in the disselbox. I can always find a use for them. Roy,Haarlem,Holland. P.s, because of difficulties of putting the tent away in stormy weather, I bought a very light weatherproof sheet which only needs 2 poles + 5 lines + can be put up in less than 5 mins after practice, it,s aprox 3x4 mtrs + more than enough for overnighting.

[@garymittelstadt7821]

I put an OVS 270 on my 5 x 10 cargo trailer. The trailer is 6' tall on the inside. There are times i have to use my step (plastic COSTCO stepstool) to reach. The OVS awning is strong, sturdy and some what over engineered, which is not a bad thing. There is definately a defined method of folding the arms and material. But once you see it done correctly, it's done in a snap. I don't use stakes if water is available. 3 or 4, 5 gallon buckets full of water does the trick.

[@equipdoc]

Saw May cooking on a Skottle. How about an episode showing some of her dishes on the Skottle. I think I noticed that you have also lowered the burner. Much better heating.

[@2-old-Forthischet]

When I had my last boat, the bimini top canvas bag was a chore to store away the top. I took the bag to a canvas shop and had them make one just a "silly millimeter" larger. It was so nice to be able to store the bimini while driving the boat returning to shore.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

This is great advice! I get it. From a sales perspective smaller and lighter is always more intriguing. But, couldn't they just make the bag larger for stuffing, but when it is on the shelf shore of the corners with some adhesive or ties to make it look smaller? To me that would be a win-win. Looks smaller for sales, but actually works in the field.

[@mikemead2315]

Sometimes the “so simple no one thinks of them” ideas are the best. Good job actually solving the problem for yourself. Yeah. My perpetual irritation that great packaging can only be used for the initial sale - from canvas bags to heavy duty boxes tools come in - even expensive ones.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@@mikemead2315 Too bad I have no great million dollar ideas for something that goes in a bag. Haha.

[@2-old-Forthischet]

@@mikemead2315 funny you should mention tools. Someone broke into my van several days ago and stole my tool bag with about $200 worth of tools, so, yesterday I replaced most of the tools with new ones. A combo SAE and metric socket set came in a really nice plastic case but it is bulky. I searched through my stash of junk and found a smaller canvas bag that can hold the pieces. Yes, I'm a pack rat.

[@mikemead2315]

@@2-old-Forthischet 🤣 I wish I could not relate 😂

[@kevinmolick]

I’ve owned several different awnings including the Peregrine 180 for a week and also the walls that went with it. I got rid of the 180 to switch to an ARB with the optional room. That’s been my favorite system so far

[@ABudderLife]

If I have a idea for one of your products that's missing a billion dollar industry who would call or contact because I will be a customer as soon as it changes a bracket and markets it's self. Like I needed this product last year billion dollar idea you make but are not marketing to the buyer. So who could I get a meeting with for the greatest sale of the summer year and company a bracket opens a billion dollar industry.

[@lindamarie9014]

Hi everyone. I work for a company that sells to RV dealers and repair people. Prevention is the key. Awning are very vulnerable to wind damage. Don't leave it out if you expect wind, leave your site for a while or overnight. Cutting corners too close is also a big source of damage. Love your channel and all your tips!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Comments like this are awesome! Love getting a little insider information. Thank you LInda.

[@Ryan_Tidwell]

Hey there, I'm a pretty new subscriber, I've seen about 7 of your videos. I want some kind of small camp trailer and your channel is full of great info. One question i have is: We have a little pop up bathroom tent and a seat that takes a bag. Where do you put the bags when you break camp? There doesn't seem to be a good spot on any tear drop or square drop to store that kind of waste.

[@DHFlip18]

Love what you guys do, thanks so much for the input!

[@vincedprincehowtodiy7705]

I'm hoping that when you read this comment, you already figured out how awesome awnings really are. You see, making a review about a low quality awning and genetal8z8ng everything that's out there is just wrong. The batwing that's being reviewed in this video is just so flimsy and poorly built. Try using a 270 or 180 awning from Overland Vehicle systems and you'll see what your missing.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Since this video came out, a lot has changed. I still find most 180 awning still have to scissor to shut and therefore don't work well in the wind. For some reason the Australian ones don't, but the American manufacturer still haven't figured this out. But since this video the 270 awnings a few of them now coming out of North America don't have to scissor to shut, so that allows them to be easily closed in the wind. Sorry I'm a bit behind on all of this. I don't keep up on these awnings, are there awnings coming out of North America that are 180 that don't have to scissor shut? How about that OVS 180? Frustrating how far Australia is ahead of us in terms of the awning game. But glad to hear we're catching up

[@JRR31984]

9:35. AWESOME vehicle tent recommendations. Very GOOD.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Glad this was helpful. I have been toying with the idea of sharing some unsolicited advice/recommendations at the end of these videos. I find we tend to get quite a few comments about "what do you prefer? Or what would you suggest?" I thought I might as well answer those potential questions up front.

[@willienillie6337]

Notice you are towing with an Outback. Is that the one with 182 hp or 260? And does the outback struggle going uphill with the trailer? Asking because I’m considering purchasing one.

[@thedeem7]

Hear ! Hear ... we had a Rhino Batwing on a No Boundaries ... did not cover our Kitchen ... we replaced it with a large High Peak Utility Tent that actual takes less time to set up and put away and when we put the sides on gives us what we want ... takes 8 minutes to setup and tear down.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Thanks for sharing this! And I am glad you mentioned the kitchen. That is one thing we forgot to mention in the video. To many people the slide out kitchen sounds like a great feature. Which it is. But, the same issues in this video apply to the kitchen. When the weather isn't cooperating neither is your kitchen. Which either requires a back up kitchen cover or the alternative would be a traditional galley kitchen.

[@ALANScottDICKSON]

Can't wait to show you my DIY awning Drew. 270 degrees, switch awning from drivers side to passenger side. Wind up material, no struggling stuffing in a bag. Oh yes no guide wires, or support poles, self supportive, adjustable to 7 feet high for the tall camper, able to angle down in either direction to run water off incase of rain. Don't need to be a tall person to put it up. Yup add side walls too. All for under $1000. Coming in 2025

[@J.Young808]

I thought there were some brands that don’t need guy lines until about 40+mph.

[@jasonbarnes5605]

Yes, it’s the Ostrich 270 awning .

[@davidmarx1451]

And/or alu-cab. Quick 1-person set up and stowing. Obviously requires a robust mount to handle the wind. Also bit pricier than 23Zero, but we'll pull it out on the side of the road for lunch and use it for just about every other occasion - it's just that easy to use.

[@MaryOKC]

You know those noodles for pools - take those and put on your awning tie wires. ..and I have the clamshell as well as an awning.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Great suggestion. And glad to hear you stumbled across the great pairing as well (Clam and Awning).

[@sierramantrvlnus]

Another great video. I never thought of the wind for those Batwing awnings. I worry about my straight one as it is.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Our one surprise is that on extremely windy days it looks stressful on the awning. But, with proper tie down points the awning seems to do quite well. But, we are always nervous in the middle of the big gusts. Now taking down that awning, like I said, is a whole different story.

[@robertanderson5796]

Square awnings are just as bad if not worse in the wind. Legs flying around can do lots of damage to people and the awning. We have a 270 and a 180 on our vehicles and have never had issues.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

You are the third person who has said this. Somebody recently mentioned Instead of using guy lines staking down the poles. I believe they said this is a practice people use in Australia.

[@alandickson1629]

Hey Drew have you looked at the DIYer awning that is 8'x7' has no vertical poles, sets up in 1 minute and packs up just as fast. And the awning arms can hold 25 lbs. and the awning poles won't bend, no guide lines. Once your kids run into the guide lines you will ditch the batwing. So simple. And your wife can do it so you can do other things. There is a better way than the ARB or batwing set up. Fast sturdy, and most important affordable $300 DIY project.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Thanks for sharing this Alan. Do you know where I can find it online? Simple is where it is at! Yeah have peaked my interest.

[@jasonbarnes5605]

What is the brand of your awning. What ever it is , it's the wrong one! I can do chin ups on the A- frames of mine. Wind is never a problem. Have you heard of the bush company by chance?

[@yooperdog]

We like the clam, has you stated, you set them up anywhere in camp, sun or shade depending.

[@SRQ-s7y]

Why in the world do you have the lines out so horizontal (8:50)? You should be using the polls and the line should almost be going straight down and therefore not in the way as much and when it’s windy do like others have said one pole at a time. Rooftop awnings are awesome if you read the instructions on how to set them up and take them down.

[@ALANScottDICKSON]

Guide lines are dangerous for kids. Or stakes. How many people have tripped over them

[@JRR31984]

6:20. It's ALMOST like there SHOULD be hinges that make the awning snap up (or down, or vertically) in bad winds, in order for the awnings to help you close it quickly. Almost all on its own.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

That is so funny that you mention this. Because when we bent our first awning mount it bent so easy it felt like a hinge. As you saw in the video. May and I both thought the same thing as you. Wouldn't a hinge system prevent this from happening? And once the current mount is bent in the field it is almost impossible to bend it back. We were all hanging on it with no return to the original position.

[@Carl-vx9ws]

Do you think a awning attached to a vehicle, SUV, addresses some of your concerns?

[@Gretchen_Trouble]

I have a 23Zero batwing, it's trash and I'm looking for a replacement.

[@paulsinger2539]

Been debating one for my trailer, but a couple EZ ups, are cheap and easily replaceable, plus a shade screen and a couple spring clamps make shade anytime of dau...

[@harrymills2770]

Yeah. The EZ-UP brand has a camping cube with 4 walls and a floor. You can also mix and match different wall types in their industrial lineup. I've been looking at those options. EZ-UP is pretty heavy, but if you're setting up adjacent to your vehicle/trailer, that's not an issue. But my take on teardrops is more cargo-oriented than most people's. I learned to put up a pretty plush (for me) base camp, just operating out of a pickup truck. You have the bed already set up, which is great, but you can have all your kitchen stuff integrated into the trailer, freeing up cargo room on your pickup, so there's room for one or two EZ-Ups in your basic kit. MY idea was to simply erect an EZ-UP around the back of my teardrop. Maybe have someone stitch together an apron of some sort that marries the EZ-UP to the trailer. I think I agree with this video on those bat-wing awnings. They seem like they're really nice, but my impression is that when conditions are bad enough to set up the walls, they're probably too windy to set up the walls. This is the only video I've seen where somebody tried to pack up on a windy day, and I'm thinking "bent poles; personal injury; ..." I feel the same way about the CLAM shelters. They're easy to set up, but there's not much holding the roof up, which Cozmo Weems discovered in a thunderstorm. Just when you need them the most is when they let you down. That's why I'm leaning towards an industrial-grade EZ-Up, or even an outfitters tent, whose frame is pieced together like tinker toys. But again, I think of the trailer as additional cargo room as well as a bed on wheels. I wouldn't be interested in the fancy, high-dollar galleys everyone loves so much. I already have my camp kitchen, and it packs very nicely in my truck, for tailgating, and I've got it down to a science. So I look at that beautiful galley as CARGO. Outfitter tent or one or two EZ-UPs. Even my BOSE tower to provide a sound system for boondock get-togethers. Room for composting toilet either in the bed of the pickup or in the tongue-box of the trailer. Luxuries like running water and hot water... I'm even thinking about adding a Cuisin-Art coffee maker to the mix.

[@linebrunelle1004]

it's super windy pretty much everywhere I go. so awning is not in the cards.

[@hunterluxton5976]

Your videos are very informative and are food for thought. 👌. One solution I've considered is to have an ARB awning on one side and an extention for the Ikamper awning? (Not Annex plus) on the other side. What do you think?

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I think that’s a great idea. Currently I’m toying with a new idea. In the past I did what you suggested and that’s having a living space outside of each door. Lately I’m trying to put the living space outside of one door and have that space connect to the living space behind the galley. To me that makes the most sense. Because what I find is one side of the trailer is typically positioned towards the direction I don’t wanna see or be bothered by so I end up not using it often. 90% of my outdoor living takes place from my one door back to the galley kitchen.

[@gearlist]

Really good tips and insights here Drew, thanks for sharing!

[@butchgreene]

Looks like they need to find a way to deploy/anchor it segment by segment. So unzip, 1/4 open and a pole clicks to a stop, anchor that, then click the next segment open, anchor it...repeat. That way when you put it back in, you can release a guy line, pivot a segment closed so it's not a sail, then repeat for each following segment. That would make it much simpler to close for 1 person or 2 petite people.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Agreed! Luckily since this video was made they have this ability in Australia and South Africa. North America has been slow to adopt it.

[@TheCoupleThatShootsTogether]

Have yall reviewed the Moon Shade Awning? We have a 180° , a 270°, a square awning and a moon shade. Overall our most versatile awning is our Moon Shade awning. It is interchangeable between our three trailers and also our Jeeps!!! Great video! We enjoyed it !!

[@jmwinf]

I have the ARB awning with tent room and I love it. Sure one person setup is a pain but it is worth it to me.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

We absolutely loved the awning room this summer. Like you mentioned all the negatives associated with them are definitely worth the benefits. As for setup with the ARB awning/room what are you finding is the most difficult? Is it just windy days? Or are there other factors with the ARB that make it a bit harder?

[@jmwinf]

I find setup just awkward for one person. Two people is best. The tent room is fantastic. Extra sleeping space to watching movies and bug free. A really good time, I'd buy it again.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@@jmwinf Yep, once you try one it would be hard to go back. We found that the cheap little Walmart projector screen fits perfectly on the frame of the awning. It made for some quick setup and great movie moments this summer in the woods.

[@PostFamilyPilgrimage]

One of the things that helps me is by removing the small chords completely. I keep them in a gearbox in the back. They take up a lot of space when trying to zip it all back up.

[@OdedPaz10]

Have you considered or tried the Dragon Fly Tarps?

[@XTRMOverland]

checkout really heavy duty awning with heavy duty fabric and frames...i've had mine for almost 2 years now and used it all season and different windy conditions, windy + rain, and had no real issue packing and unpacking...love the walls and had even used to protect from very windy situation...also had setup and packed up at night, even windy night and just love it...also my truck is setup with 3" lift on a 35s and the awning is setup way up high and i am only 5'6" and still would not go anywhere without it, also i setup and pack up most of the time by myself...anyway, just my opinion...the key in my opinion is that heavy duty fabric and frames...i love mine because i think it's the best in the market!

[@GATORADDAM]

What kind of way is that to stake down an awning?! I have never, ever seen anyone run lines out like that. There's little to no lift support that way. You should have your lines nearly vertical. In your case I think a 15 dollar Harbor Freight tarp would be best! Hahaha.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

We have never had any issues with the guy lines. We run them out like that to prevent running into them at camp. As mentioned in the videos it is putting up and taking down the awning in high winds that is a problem. In high winds our awning has held up just fine. Putting it away is a whole different story.

[@brycemariano5955]

keep up the awesome videos Drew!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Thanks Bryce! I really appreciate the kinds words.

[@garretlewis4103]

I too have been 50/50 on an awning for our square drop. You don’t have to be a newbie to trip over the guide line. Hmm, wonder how I know? 😀

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Haha. You had me laughing out loud on that one. And feeling good that I am not the only one.

[@triciaharrod7582]

Excellent points, thanks for your prior reply mentioning this upcoming and now here video. Interesting, one of the most mentioned top mods at a hiker meet, was the batwing awnings. Makes us wonder about campgrounds versus boondocking users? Yes, we like the way they look too!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

That is a really good point Tricia. When I think about it most paid campgrounds tend to be much more protected from the wind vs. many of the boondocking sites we stay at. BUT, I have also stayed in paid campgrounds where the parking is so narrow you can't open up your awning or it rubs against a tree. Or even worse your neighbors rig. Haha. That last one was the time we stayed at an RV park 3 years ago in Alaska. Another thing is that the base model Hiker trailers typically are a nice height like this Bean. Not built too high to introduce a lot of the issues that come with awnings and tall trailers.

[@davidhunternyc1]

Am I stupid to think that instead of using awnings, just get a sturdy collapsible umbrella, one that can be moved and angled to block the sun?

[@PlayingwithSticks]

We’ve seen people do this. There is even one channel where they made a hitch mount on the side of their trailer where their umbrella attached to.

[@alwaysjoie309]

I thought about putting on of these on my Scamp. I think for me a clam is what I will stick with. As you know South Dakota has constant wind! It would scare me to get trapped with my kids. Thanks for the video!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Yes, completely understandable. What worked great for us with the Scamp is a basic tarp, with poles and suction cups for attaching to the scamp. No permanent mounts needed. Here is the video we learned it from kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqGxn5WbnbGtf9E . They also have an updated video it looks like kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6fSoXitasmed9E

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Hey, by the way Joie. You really need to start a channel. After meeting you this summer you really have a personality that would shine on this platform. And you have a great backstory. Just a thought.

[@alwaysjoie309]

I did end up selling the Scamp- so now figuring out what will be next! I would love to start a channel- I just am not sure how much energy I have. I tried recording one trip and it was so much work! Thankful you do it!

[@51KTM51Hurricane]

I guess it depends also on the brand, there are good, strong and stabile ones and some they just want make some money with cheap product. But still a great video because of a lot other stuff you usual don't think about

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Yes, since this video has been made, Australia has come out with some much stronger models. Price yes, but at least the industry is moving forward.

[@xbpbat21x]

I have an Alucab 270...while we don't get much rain in the southwest desert, it's nice to have the shade in just 30 seconds...plus, when it's packed up...it's on top of the trailer. Not taking up valuable space somewhere else.

[@bradsreed]

I have to agree. I own a black bean and I think the reality is that I might just get another awning for the other side. Wind and these are terrible. It’s not just this manufacturer.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I'm starting to change my tune a little bit. We tested out the Kammok awning on the Bean this fall. Really liking it. Literally 3 seconds to setup and 3 seconds to put away. It isn't cheap at almost $1K, but so far I am loving it. Now only time will tell if it holds up.

[@Brinaweenahwoo]

Thanks for the tips! I was just looking at awnings for my SUV. I think I'll stick with a tarp.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Since this video was made I learned there are much better awnings coming out of Australia that alleviate much of the wind issue. Here is a good example of one kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6DPmHewrMiFgqs

[@rufuspipemos]

Aren't there awnings now that need no lines and can withstand high winds?

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I have heard this claim as well. They even show guys standing on top of them. But then we get comments on here that say that’s not possible. I’m going to have to look into it more.

[@nedporkus8602]

I am so very glad I watched this. I was thinking about getting one of these bat wing awnings, but I had concerns about them hanging out there unsupported. Concerns well founded it seems. Also the repacking issue seems a pain in the neck as well. For a whole lot less money I think the solution is to get a couple of collapsible poles, a sun shade/tarp, and some parachute cord with some stakes. With a little practice and some basic knot tying knowledge, it is pretty quick and easy to rig a tarp as a shade by tying one side to a horizontal pole (a length of conduit pipe) tied/attached to the side of your roof rack, and supporting the two outer corners with either the collapsible poles (secured with guy lines and stakes) or with lines to two nearby trees. If you set up the rig and test it out at home before venturing forth, then you can have the lines already set up to the correct lengths and ready to go. And then there is the satisfaction of knowing you have mastered the art of knotsmanship and basic rigging.

[@lawnerddownunder3461]

I just went out with this exact idea, but failed to test it before I had to set up at camp in a gale. It was an experience!

[@simplyrise5217]

Do not underestimate the breeze? The parachute-effect🤢😵‍💫🙈🙀⚰️😆😂😂😂

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Very true! Learned this the hard way a few times this summer. And it doesn't have to be that intense either. Parachutes are very efficient we have learned. Haha.

[@winstonian88]

The clam goes up in 90 seconds. Easy enough to open at home to dry it out.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Agreed! That is our go to as well. I used to love it for the quick setup at camp. But now I find even more valuable is the quick setup at home to dry it off. There is nothing more painful to me than setting up camping equipment and not for the intention of using it.

[@asidp4s]

This is exactly what I was looking for. Been debating on which awning system to go with

[@PlayingwithSticks]

That was us too. After this I wouldn't go with anything but a square awning. Unless I lived somewhere I knew was protected from wind.

[@Laserguy2009]

You don't need that big a$$ awning, what a hassle!! ... and side walls? Please NO!!!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Love it!

[@vw2vtec]

Every time he says “guy line” take a drink. 🤪

[@Daniel-pv8jl]

A great reason to invest in better products. This awning is junk compared to other brands.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Daniel what would you suggest. Always nice to know what people currently think is the best on the market.

[@Daniel-pv8jl]

We were using Alu Cab awning but switched to Bush Company 270 xt. It’s free standing so no poles needed. We used it in a wind storm and we got gust of 40mph and it was just fine. It’s a lot of money but if you break two of yours it’s probably more. On our bean trailer we run an 8foot arb awning and a 6 foot arb awning on the opposite side both straight out awnings. I can have shade or shelter easily and less weight and ropes. Also try attaching the ropes to the wheels of the trailer or the the chassis, we had tabs made under the trailer on the frame

[@BirdPhish]

Nice video Drew...coming from a 180 awning owner you hit all the pros and cons perfectly.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Thank you! We really appreciate that. One thing I wish we would have mentioned. We kind of thought an awning would be a novelty for us. But it really did add to the experience. Where as the rooftop tent. We still think it is a must for a growing family. But, it didn't really add to the experience for us. It was fun. Tried it a few nights and didn't really pull it out the rest of the trip. Now ask us about the rooftop tent in a few years and I guarantee you we will feel different about it when the boys are bigger.

[@BirdPhish]

@@PlayingwithSticks We had to go about 4 weeks on our recent trip without our awning after we had a freak wind blast send it vertical the 1st week on that trip.....we got by but really missed having it. Kind of feel it's integral to the trailer.....a must have feature. I was able to fix it in the field the last week of the trip but it made me realize how important it was....just a little bit of rain without having the awning is a much different experience without the awning there to have a space to hang outside without getting wet. If you don't want to deal with an awning I think something like a Scamp would be better....something you can at least stand up in when it's yukky out and you're stuck inside. Hey Drew I have a few new videos up too btw if you're curious...the most recent from the part of the trip we had to go without the awning lol. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2ixp4R3rZaJjLc

[@raymondclark1785]

We use a campground in Pahokee FL that is the only one actually on the lake shore. The wind gets lots of fetch, about 40 miles coming across Lake Okeechobee and you can't leave canvas up and you can't anchor into the limestone. A lot of campers have lost their awnings :( We had neighbors with a teardrop and she tried spending her days in a pop-up screen house but sometimes the wind was just too much. That place is one reason I would never go with a pop-up expedition trailer. That and my father had a pop-up class b that leaked in driving rain :(

[@bcask61]

Awnings are like anything else, there is a time and a place. Nothing is going to be a 100% solution to every situation. As with most things simpler is better and a little common sense goes a long way. I have a simple square type awning on my fishing truck and on Hatteras Island, I know there are days when I just can’t put it up. But most of the time, I can put it and stow it by myself.

[@ericaveyandthehealing]

In the market for a retractable awning for the westy that won’t break the wallet. Love the vids, Sticks!

[@WildcatPhoto]

I've got a plain arb awning which I would not use unless raining hard. I have the side walls and room, but what a hassle for one person and dog. It is almost always windy where I go in Oregon. I have a 6x6 Clam with wind walls. Even that would be a bummer if I had to put it away wet. It seems like it always rains somewhere, so the Clam, if in the roof basket, gets soaked. I can usually make do with just the privacy tent. But the dog and I like the Clam and don't need both at once. I usually stay out three days, so try to figure out which I will need.

[@bruceyung70]

I have a small yawning but I never really needed. It’s horrible investment. Just enjoy the sunlight for godsakes. The point of going out door is getting sun.

[@ron_with_the_crosstrek_spo7919]

A note about getting shade regardless of where you park. I bought a small IronmanUSA awning (4" by 6") for my Crosstrek, but its plenty. One thing you can do is attach canvas walls on the awning to help block out the sun. Amazon sells universal walls that attach to the sides and front. I bought one side wall for the awning and a front wall. Regardless of where the sun is hitting, I can set up the walls to block it. Hopefully, this is a solution that you can use if you choose to buy an awning for your overland rig.

[@mikehuynh5586]

It's changed now. I just installed the Peregrine 270, and it fit pretty nice. The folding to get it to fit is trickier. Since you need to slide the canvas over the front supports, otherwise it won't fold correctly.

[@ronz6214]

I have the 23zero 270 degree Falcon Pro. Really easy to setup and fold/roll up solo. Only takes 2mins.

[@jasonbarnes5605]

The ostrich 270 awning is bulletproof in the wind. No need for poles until the wind gets rediculous. Ok, so then you put up the pole but the guy ropes can be almost vertical and pegged next to the base of the pole. No tripping on the ropes. It would be rare that you need poles in most windy conditions, unless of course you want the side walls up. They aren’t cheap but yo will never need to buy another one!

[@art_of_jing]

Great video. Can you please do a review on the Airhaven 30 Awning?

[@margyg]

I have had many mounted awnings and now only use a custon dragonfly tarp that attaches to trailer or vehicle. I have also experienced the wind with awnings bending poles and even throeing the poles 200 yds away as a projectile. My favorite awning was the Alucab 270. That one was rock solid and could also be used without poles & guylines if not windy.

[@33Jenesis]

Being in SoCal, I’d love having an awning or canopy by the suv to cool off in Summer. Your concerns are also my concern. At this point I’d settle for an umbrella with built in stand that I can sandbag it.

[@jameswright7923]

Bang on. Unfortunately all awnings made go over or are on the side of the trailer with the entrance. But these trailers which we have you can pick up with you hands an swing around. We bought a quick pop up gazebo tent Works good

[@Hilmi12]

Don't know if you are reading comments on old videos like this, but square awnings are even harder to pack in the wind, this is from personal experience

[@PlayingwithSticks]

What, how can that be? I’m not saying you’re wrong I literally want to know how. I don’t want to be giving people misinformation. I just can’t imagine how that would be harder? With a square awning I can take it down by myself, with a 270° awning I have to pivot the awning to move tuck it in and there’s no way to pivot it while holding the other guy lines in place. With a square awning as long as I pull the guy lines doesn’t the awning basically just hang down? With a larger 270 awning they remain erect even when you take out the stakes. And unfortunately with one person you can’t be in three places at one time. I hope you get this comment and can help me understand what you’re trying to say.

[@Hilmi12]

@@PlayingwithSticks the square awnings once release the rods holding it up have no frame its a giant sail fighting you every step of the way, once while trying to roll it up it was jerked up by the wind so hard it hurt my shoulder joint. Then as you finish rolling it up you are trying to hold it in place while strapping it down so it fits in the bag all this while gravity is trying to unroll the awning. Further more there is always a chance you will roll it up at a slight angle and it would stick out on one side and won't fit in the bag, now you need to unroll it and do it all again. I'll drop you an email with a photo of my setup. What makes it even worse is I am 5'4", have to stretch on my tip toes to get this rolled up. Just realized you don't have a contact email listed,

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Our contact email is [e-mail]. I was very hopeful the square awning would be the solution. I’m so glad you saw this video and you were able to comment. That is a bummer though, again I was very hopeful. I even ordered a square awning to put on our cargo trailer this summer. Boo! 😂

[@Hilmi12]

@@PlayingwithSticks might be easier for you as your camper is shorter than mine and I believe you are taller than me

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Good point. Unfortunately though it is going on a tall cargo trailer for my mother. Oops! Well gives me something to laugh about in future episodes. Again thanks for sharing even if it hurt me a little. Haha.

[@michaelptm2269]

Hey Drew! What do you think about the Bunduawn 360° (batwing) Awning?? Campi-nn uses them

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I’m not familiar with that awning, and unfortunately, just by looking at a picture, I cannot tell how it sets up or tears down. What you need to find out is how it opens and closes. I find the ones that sit large and long on the trailer during transport tend to open best. The ones that are a bit smaller use a closing mechanism, where it kind of hinges on itself. This is about 90% of awnings on the market. It’s that hinging that makes it almost impossible to take these down by yourself in the wind. Because you can’t start the takedown process without pulling out all the stakes. So what I would do is just watch a video of them, setting it up and taking it down and then imagine yourself having guylines with stakes in it. Can you start folding it up with the majority of the guidelines in place. Basically you want one where you do a little fold pull out a guy line, do a little fold pull out a guy line. I haven’t looked at awnings in a while, but the only ones that I’ve seen that allow this are ones coming out of Australia.

[@michaelptm2269]

@@PlayingwithSticks thank you 🙏 I will definitely look into this. Your video was really helpful. It’s awesome how you make these videos but I can see that it takes a lot of work with many camera angles, the drone angles, night shots, etc. great 👍 work!

[@bojangles3147]

As a trucker I saw a flat bed driver fly, when he was moving his tarps. Lol yep binges are your friends.

[@kathleencomyn5228]

Get another awning for the other side too 😜

[@northislandguy]

I just use a tarp and some tent poles, just one less thing to have on the car 👍

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I like your style!

[@Fake_Name_MTG]

You are an awning victim. I feel for you and your Ven diagram.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Haha. Obviously, I don’t feel like a victim, but I want to make sure people don’t spend money on things they don’t need or at least are realistic about what they are spending their money on.

[@RoyCoyMia]

freestanding regardless if its 180 or 270 is ALWAYS better than those that require poles to setup. moat freetanding awnings will have legs that you can lower if neded LATER On. if you found it harD to setup your 180 without legs in the wind, you should try setting up an awning that needs legs to stand in the same wind.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Oh sorry. I think I didn't explain it well. Not hard to setup in the wind, but to take down. Probably hard to setup in the wind as well, but I have never tried that.

[@RoyCoyMia]

@@PlayingwithSticks appreciate you still giving your opinion about it. i do own, build and sell freestanding awnings here in my country. i always found them to be easier to deploy and stow compared to regular side awnings that require legs to stand. =)