Roofing tile cladding on rounded bay frontage. Vertical roof tiling. Nice decorative lead detail.

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Apologies for sound at start of video, i couldn't turn off the music when describing the job - need better editing software, rest of the video is all images and no talking over the music, so enjoy. Its me removing an old tired plain tile cladded rounded bay in the UK, then replacing it by adding a breathable waterproof felt, new timber battens and new plain tiles. Also adding a nice lead detail to finish it off. I hope you like the video! :)

[@jrh86]

Craftsmanship at its finest 💯💯💯👍👍👍

[@njuham]

Nicely done. The neighbours will be so jealous now.

[@davesalter]

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[@johnf3326]

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[@vicschauberger2737]

i like the ratchet strap holding the wood form in place idea. I'm gonna use that one . Thanks

[@davesalter]

@@vicschauberger2737 I never used ratchet strap bud 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@vicschauberger2737]

@@davesalter Sorry , Man . That was supposed to be a response to another video .Don't know what happened ?

[@davesalter]

@@vicschauberger2737 haha no worries 👍

[@johnf3326]

Thats useful. I am about to replace all the tiles on my Son's house bay. They are old and dirty. Some have been replaced badly (one upside down so they could nail it in!). The main reason is that he is getting condensation on his bedroom wall in the bay. In fact it looks like the bay is single bricks, (on their side!) then felt over that then 19 or 20mm battens. I intend to insulate between the battens (65mm gaps) with 25mm Kingspan and use plastic washers to bring the tiles over the protruding Kingspan, or shave it instead. Over the whole will be a layer of airtec double. With limited space thats the best I can do, but better than the nothing thats there now.

[@davesalter]

Ok that sounds challenging. I doubt it has bricks under the battens, never seen that myself. , I’d check that and if it’s wood structure strip battens and felt, insulation behind it and then re batten etc. i think trying to insulate between the battens sounds weird and probably more hassle than stripping the lot. Anyway, good luck and thanks for commenting. 👍

[@johnf3326]

@@davesalter I know its a pain in the a*se (challenging!) but I am retired and have time to faff! I removed a bit of felt and theres something solid behind and its not lathe plaster but also doesn't look like conventional brick. If I removed all the tile battens to insulate I would have the problem of the bay tiled area protruding beyond the window sill above. I would also have to get new battens and fix them to I dont know what thats behind the felt and how strong or thick it is, with the possibility of loosening it/cracking the plaster inside.

[@andrewtanner-f3y]

Smashing job! 👍

[@davesalter]

Thank you. 😁

[@amateurtorque6709]

Great video, I need to do this on my 1970s house, I have replaced the bow window with a flat window and need to replace the bottom layer of tiles. What sealant did you use between the lead and the window sill?

[@davesalter]

Thanks for your comment! I used clear CT-1, it’s one of the best silicone adhesives. 👍

[@zaheidtahir4059]

Amazing peice of art, I was told you need to seal the tiles so moss doesn't form on the tiles?

[@davesalter]

Thanks, but I've never heard that about these tiles mate.

[@johnf3326]

Another 'query' Dave. Some of these bays have varying overlaps of tiles in some rows. Is this just poor construction or is it some kind of architectural feature? Like maybe the rows get narrower (less exposed tile, more overlap) the higher they go. I think in some old stone cottages there are bigger blocks at the bottom and narrower courses nearer the roof. With my job I intended to make all overlaps the same but then started overthinking the process!

[@davesalter]

Gauge from top to top of battens is 4inch on the plain tiles like on the bay. Usually you’d go 4 inch to half way up the roof then measure what you have left and divide so you get close to 4 inch but not more than that, then fill in the rest of the battens so you get a full tile and eaves tiles at the top. Or lead flashing as an “eaves” like I did on my bay.

[@johnf3326]

Dave I presume I am correct in my assumption that when these houses were built the wooden window frame downstairs (to a greater degree) was structural in that it supported the bricks and tiles above and the bedroom window above those with some possible roof load above that. So any subsequent uPVC replacement frame should be reinforced with vertical metal poles within the frame. Another issue just realised is that the original Rosemary tiles were clay and 10mm thick whereas the modern Rosemary tiles are concrete and 12mm thick making them heavier, so could there be a issue with loading on the support? As previously stated, there's NO insulation behind the tiles. Thats a problem with bad condensation inside and a problem insulating the outside with only gaps between the tile lats of 65mm and depth 20mm. Inspection above the top bedroom bay revealed huge amounts of rubble between the rafters and no insulation. The only barrier to heat loss, lathe plaster! Unfortinately to access the whole width of the bay means removing gutters and fascias

[@davesalter]

Hello mate. Yea the window frame would be some what structural although joists for the floor above would also come out to meet the bay so would give some support to the structure above the lower frame. The pvc frames do have metal inside to strengthen them also, to give the same support. The rosemary tiles are still made in clay and can be bought new these days. although you also get plain tiles in concrete. I think any difference in weight is negligible and would t have any bearing on being a problem

[@johnf3326]

@@davesalter I'm well on with the job now. Turned out the bay is constructed of 11 vertical timbers with wood at the top and bottom, infilled with bricks on their sides. I had to remove all the tile laths as they were a mess and breaking up. Put modern felt then a layer of Airtec double against the bricks. New laths are 38 x 25 but had to run through the saw to split in half as they could not bend round the curve. Carefully bend and fit one half then the 2nd over the top with waterproof glue and screws. Fill between laths with 25mm kingspan. Maybe another layer of sirtec before re-tiling. Going to use drywall screws instead of nails. Going to use cut up plastic dpc under the bottom row of tiles instead of slate that was on before to cover the joins. All very interesting and satisfying. My first time doing this type of work. I am an amateur, not a roofer. One thing not anticipated is that the old tiles were reduced at the top sides (nibbled roughly!) obviously to accommodate the difference in radius as the tiles lean out slightly top to bottom as they overlap! Thats a pain! But I do have a grinder. Yes the downstairs window has steels! (thank goodness!) I assumed the Rosemary tiles were concrete as they were thicker and a rougher non shiny finish, but as you say, clay

[@davesalter]

@@johnf3326 well done! And merry Xmas! 👍

[@johnf3326]

@@davesalter Thanks Dave thats a good endorsement from a 'pro' 👍I couldn't do it for a living, I take far too long, but once in a blue moon for my boys is fine! At 68 anyway I'm supposed to be retired! Happy christmas to you and your family and hope in 2023 "things can only get better" well surely they can't get any fecking worse! 😖🤣

[@stephenbowman3898]

My bay has no insulation between the tiles and plasterboard so I'm going to remove the tiles, insulate, and reuse the old tiles...hopefully. My question is where do you get the 11x38 pse? I'm struggling to find anything close. Also, what lengths did you find?

[@davesalter]

I got them from Birmingham Roofing Supplies, Tyseley, Birmingham B11 2JH. I think they were 3.6m.

[@neil1997]

Absolutely beatiful! Some serious graft there mate, well done (not a fan of the rolled-up lead, but each to his own ;-)

[@davesalter]

Thank you! I have done some later videos of these bay tilimg jobs going into more detail if you’re interested, check them out. 👍

[@carljanisewski]

Looks very nice . Thanks for sharing

[@pi561]

Great work 🤌🏻

[@jamesbartlett5005]

Bloody lovely job pal

[@davesalter]

Thanks!

[@Hmb93995]

I am about to start a rounded bay in a couple of weeks. It will be my first time doing a rounded one. How did you fix youre lead flashing under thr window sill. And can you get away without cutting every tile on both corners? Ive heard spacing them apart 3mm stops the tiles interfering with eachother. I will be using staffmix clays. P.s nice job.👍

[@davesalter]

Hello mate, Its the first time i actually fitted lead in this situation also so had to improvise, i just moulded the lead into a kind of upside down U at the top, then fitted this over the tiles and put a few screws through into the vertical wood posts on the bay, folded it back into place and then finished it off with some CT-1 clear silicone adhesive around the top. You can have a slight gap between the tiles which means you dont have to cut the corners, i did it like this as the previous tiles were also cut and customer wanted the same look. I think it looks better with them close together as they would be on a pitched roof, but a space still works when hanging them vertically like this (and is easier i guess). Good luck with your job mate!

[@x4dd]

Brilliant job Dave👍 Is it possible to replace a single broken tile on the bay? Just had a new roof and the bay hung tiles are letting the side down ! Roofer says no, I can't replace a single tile without pretty much stripping all down from the top where broken one is 🤦. Is that correct? Could I not Gripfix one in just to make it look pleasing?

[@davesalter]

Thank you! And yes in order to nail a new tile to repair a broken one (in vertical tile hanging), you'd have to strip upwards in a V shape from the broken one and then refit them all. Bit oif a pain but that's the only way to do it correctly, but if you want to try some kind of adhesive make sure it's better quality that gripfill, I'd use CT-1 or something like that and probably use tape to hold it till its set. But that option may not be fully water tight but it would be easier!

[@x4dd]

@@davesalter nice one. Thank you for the reply Dave 👍

[@DanielPaprocki]

Great video. Just what I needed. What sealant have you used at the very end? Many thanks 😊👍🏻

[@davesalter]

Thanks! I use clear CT-1 I think or a similar clear decent silicone adhesive.

[@timeintheuk]

need to do this on my house i am really wanting to up the insulation level tho .

[@davesalter]

It's a perfect time to upgrade insulation after stripping off the old tiles, it can be a weak point on old houses for letting out a lot of warmth to be fair. When they were built, they were designed to have roaring open fires so didn't need lots of insulation in these spots. Times have changed!

[@anthonyashton4524]

as a fellow roofer, very nice

[@davesalter]

cheers bud!

[@therocker06]

Does this work for all round rosemary tile roofs or do you need to diminish the tiles as you go up ?

[@davesalter]

I’m not sure I’m following the question? Explain more

[@therocker06]

@@davesalter never mind man I’m thinking of a cone roof

[@davesalter]

@@therocker06 right ok, I wasn’t sure if you meant a regular roof. Ok Ive never done a cone roof, but yeah it would be the same I guess, cutting the top corners off so they will fit together. Gauge battens 4 inch up to half way up or further, then measure what’s left and work it out so you have a full tile and eaves at the top. Can go slightly less than 4 inch gauge on these tiles but not more.

[@justpropertycareltd]

Beautiful job, few questions, how do you manage to bend & wrap the battens? & why are cutting the corners on each tile? Thanks in advance

[@davesalter]

Thanks bud. The battens are 11x38mm and so have some flex but they needs to be very wet, if dry they are prone to snap. I kept spraying them while removing the old tiles, better still soaked overnight before the job and they will be perfect for it. You just need something big enough, which I didn’t and it worked out okay. Cut tiles otherwise there will be gaps when between they when working on a rounded bay like this. 👍

[@davesalter]

As a note some people do these bays without cutting and leave small gaps intentionally, maybe 1cm between each tile. This can work with vertical hanging and still be water tight but doesn’t look as good I don’t think. It’s a preference thing.

[@jamiepeers6446]

Looks lovely. What are the half round tiles used for the central pattern called?

[@davesalter]

Thanks. They are club tiles bud.

[@darrenmoloney491]

Tidy job bud 👍🇮🇪

[@simonworsnop900]

Looks great . Whats your secret to being able to get such a small headlap of lead over the top tile ?

[@davesalter]

Thanks, No secret, the half rounded bits covers between tiles on the top course and covers top of tile behind also. Window ledge overhang also covering the tiles. No water will be getting in at lead level. Its not like its being directly rained on with running water down it. All good.

[@neil1997]

Great question (and answer!) plus a decent bead of grey silicone to stop anything that might run under the cill

[@kimgaxha814]

Yes big men 💪, gooood jobs, me work England, same jobs, Kompany MDS and TRD, ,thanks youuuu 👍

[@ninja2kernow]

Looks great it,s not often i see a fellow roofer on you tube doing a good job. what was the thicknes of your batten it bent well ?.

[@davesalter]

Thanks mate! The batten is 11mm x 38mm doubled up on each course. It needs to be wet ideally as if its really dry it is more likely to snap, i had to keep hosing it down as i was stripping the old tiles off, kept spraying it every now and then so it was drenched. Ideally you'd leave it over night in something so it soaks up all the water, but i just kept spraying it and it seemed to work out ok.

[@ninja2kernow]

Thanks, enjoy the dry weather

[@davesalter]

@@ninja2kernow indded i will mate ! Been a long time coming.

[@daisy-lo8ch]

How much does doing a bay cost

[@davesalter]

Different people have different charges, but i priced this one at £1500 odd plus scaffolding. Depends how big it is, how much leadwork is needed, etc.

[@daisy-lo8ch]

@@davesalter thanks

[@daisy-lo8ch]

@@davesalteri was just thinking a lot of dosh

[@criartoros]

Thank for video, learned alot. It would of been good if you explained a bit more on the soaker and step flashing. How the soaker fit behind the tiles etc. Very nice job

[@criartoros]

Slowed the video down, got the concept how to do the soakers with flashings. Thanks

[@davesalter]

Thanks, and yeah fair comment. I will do a soaker and step flashing video when i get the chance on another job. Would be good to do one anyway. Soakers were nailed to the batten also.

[@criartoros]

Hi, are your tiles your using 10"x6",are you using the original reclaimed tiles? Thanks

[@davesalter]

@@criartoros these are new concrete old english plain tiles.

[@chreeslaarge4866]

@@davesalter Hi. Great video, many thanks. A quick question for you: would there be a disadvantage to having less overlap on each course? I'm trying to cut down on weight, and amount of tiles required. Would you say a 50mm overlap would be acceptable?

[@adnaanshirazi6565]

Nice job. I’m looking for someone to look at my bay. Where are you based?

[@davesalter]

Thanks mate. I'm based in Halesowen, B63. West of Birmingham.

[@adnaanshirazi6565]

@@davesalter I’ve sent you a text

[@00wei67]

Tidy job. Come & do mine mate. Did u coplete in a hole day?

[@davesalter]

Hi Noddy, I think it was a two day job. Where do you live?

[@roofinguk]

I’m pretty sure that needs an Eve course on that. The headlap looks very very minimum from the video

[@davesalter]

I did omit eaves at the top yes, but the lead half circle section more than covers it. Also the window ledge protects that area from rain which will not be directly hitting it unless in a severe storm with horizontal rain fall which is unlikely! Thanks for the comment. Gauge is 4 inch by the way., standard.

[@danmartin6515]

You’ve put step flashing with no soakers underneath ?

[@davesalter]

Hi Dan, i have put the soakers in although it may have flashed by so fast i guess, at 3:01 you get a glimpse of fitting one. Also the finished photos of the tiling part show soakers against both walls. Thanks.

[@pauldavies1902]

Have u ever tiled an eyebrow roof p

[@davesalter]

i have not yet had the opportunity to

[@krystalgazer5196]

Cracking job lad , but too quick, I wanted to learn how to , but didn't see anything close up!.

[@davesalter]

Hi, yes apologies. Next time i do a job like this i will put in more details.

[@georgewood60]

Lovely job but the music is so irritating 😑

[@patrickdaly2121]

Do any of these guys wear PPE? All this money they’re earning won’t be any good to them when they can’t breath!

[@davesalter]

What Ppe did you see me not wear? I think I did enough.