5 Reasons you SHOULDN'T Back : Castles of Burgundy

[@EfrainRiveraJunior]

This video is rated PV for Plush Violence.

[@MaryJoSminkey]

Was fun coming across this after having already backed the 2nd printing, but ALSO just getting to play with a friend's copy of the Special Edition. 1. Point Salad - I'm baffled a bit at this being a negative, as it just has never seemed to be for people I play with. Most love that you are constantly moving around the board and some players don't even care by how much, they just have their own goals and are happy wherever they land. 2. AP - true, it can be particularly for newer board games. But it drops off fairly quickly with a few game plays and isn't any worse that a lot of other top board games. 3. My friend had the acrylic tiles and I was *really* glad I didn't decide to get them for one big reason - they don't have the hints on the back of the tiles about what they do! After repeating for about the 20th time what some yellow tile on a player's board does, I was 100% satisfied with my choice and knowing that my copy is going to have the hints. Yes, I know there are player aids, it still takes FOREVER to find a specific yellow tile on those particularly if you are new. 4. Yes, I do play on BGA all the time. But like a lot of people, many of my friends will not ever play a game online, and they are even less likely to do so if it's not something they can play quickly in real time. And when I love a game like this one, I love introducing it to new players. And let's face it, that cheap original game is simply not as inviting as this version. The larger, easier to read tiles alone make this worth it to me. 5. They did indeed fix the number not being in a circle. I do somewhat agree with the castle minis not being particularly useful, but having played with them, they don't really block my view of the board enough to bother me, and with the game name including "Castles" it feels pretty thematic to me. They are now offering a terrain upgrade that includes all the other buildings which I think is just totally bonkers and would definitely make the game much harder to play, let alone the annoyance of constantly having to swap your tiles for the terrain ones as you place them.

[@Sephiroth767]

This format is mostly about people who REALLY NEED A REASON TO NOT BACK. So some points are very nitpicky, like the game mechanic things. So some points aren't that serious, others are though. Thank you for sharing the thing about the acrylic tiles. I also backed the reprint and now I'm glad I didn't choose them.

[@deanlowdon8381]

I hear what you’re saying, but Castles of Burgundy is one of my favourite games and this version looks really shiny and new!

[@krstakg12]

i agree

[@ylein6508]

Totally agree about leaving out the acrylic tiles as part of the deluxe base is weird.I hate metal coins too

[@Shoitaan]

Call me cynical but I don't think it's a weird choice. I think it's a very intentional choice. They throw in the coins to make the base package seem deluxe but then charge a premium for the actual useful upgrade. Subtle salesmanship at its finest.

[@danilicious2308]

@@Shoitaan I mean... They're a company and they probably want to make a profit so it makes sense.

[@MaryJoSminkey]

Actually I'm glad they did for one big reason. The monastery tiles that come with the base have the description on the back. The acrylics do NOT. That alone was a deal-breaker for me with the acrylics, since I very frequently am teaching games to new players, and it is *exhausting* constantly having to go over what those yellow tiles do.

[@matthewharris-levesque5809]

21:00 - Gets to the point. And they are good points. But goddamn it took a while to get there.

[@obsidiansiriusblackheart]

9:35 yeah, kind or surprised AR touched this one. This game did NOT need minis etc. Honestly Mythic Games could've done this game but then we'd never see it. :)

[@Nozdormu1982]

Reason 6. The board game you are looking for is in a different castle.

[@ScytheNoire]

WTF? He talked to me specifically?! :) Ya, I'm keeping my pledge. You are completely right about a few of these. Not only did they mess up the board numbers not being in a circle, but the game mat graphic just shows all 6s. Very sloppy. In BoardGameCo's interview with AR, they said their first priority is graphics and being eye catching, and then AFTER THAT they worry about gameplay and rules. That is probably the companies biggest problem, putting eye candy over the main purpose of games: gameplay.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Haha you betcha! I was stoked that I knew someone who was backer #1. It's something I always strive for if I know I'm wanting to back :)

[@obsidiansiriusblackheart]

Congrats, backer #1! 😉

[@bwilliams7380]

@@RoomandBoardReviews Dang, I tried to be #1, got #36

[@chadstilson8804]

Thank you for this Video Chris... You helped me resist the pull of the 2nd Reprinting! Your services are appreciated

[@Nozdormu1982]

I also found a nice catchphrase: "And remember, between room and board, size doesn't matter"

[@simonb4689]

I was one of the ppl pushing for a no minis version and I'm extremely disappointed that it doesn't come with a smaller box and shopping cost. That and the fact that for 90 euros plus shipping in getting cardboard tiles and would have to pay 33 euros extra for acrylic tiles made this tier completely ridiculous. Not very happy, but what can you do

[@KMReviews]

The acrylic tiles makes sense because the acrylic tiles have downsides. They are printing what the yellow tiles do on the back but they won’t do that on acrylic tiles. Also coins are hard to get in the game so metal coins aren’t abundant so it’s easy to include that whereas acrylic tiles is a tonnnn of tiles. Also tbey did fox that board in terms of numbering etc.

[@rossparker01]

(I'm experimenting with KZbin choosing where the ads go, please let me know if it's super annoying) The ads I saw were placed in between your Chapters, so it worked pretty well! And get this, on two separate occasions, the ad was for the current campaign of CoB on Gamefound!! HA!

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Oh amazing, that's great, thank you. I know sometimes KZbin takes the liberty to put an ad like every 3 minutes it's happened to me, and in the middle of sentences so they must be getting better.

[@zachbaudoin09]

You may have sold me on adding the acrylic tiles

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

It sucks they're so expensive, but I would consider it. For my Orleans experience it may have been because I tend to rest my hand inside the bag and swirl them around while waiting for other people's turns, but after 10 or so plays I've started to notice some wear on that specific colour. But the other thing about the acrylics is that someone posted in the comments that they aren't going to have the double sided yellow tiles which was one of my favourite parts. So I don't know if I would pay that price to have an upgrade that I prefer less

[@sarahjoylagunzad6159]

Totally agree with you on point 3. I would rather have acrylic tiles over metal coins. That would be a better value for the deluxe edition. I don’t really care about metal coins especially for this game. But I still backed it because this is my favorite board game.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Nice. It's a good favourite to have! I am really intrigued to see what new elements the Vineyards will add

[@Ruben_BE_]

What a great video! Informative and not boring. Also, very smart titling ;) definitely made me click this video first among all other Burgundy options.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Hey, thanks so much, I really appreciate that :)

[@EddieRyfari]

This was my first kickstarter/gamefound backing. I was (and still am) pretty excited. While making my decision, I came across your channel and thought, damn there is even a whole 30m rant about why I should not do this :D luckily I quickly saw it was a whole series and subscribed to your channel. You had some valid points, but once I realised other were paying my VAT I was all-in ;-) j/k really looking forward to this game!

[@motnostaw2813]

I'm so glad i found this video, last night with 8 hours to go before campaign ended. I really liked all your points. They were very valid with reflection of benefit breakdown and why one would appreciate or not aspects of this deluxe version. In the end I got the top edition with all the minis and everything, but your video helped me get there by analyzing why one would or would not want a set like this when a players set is cheaper and maybe more efficient for play. So this was perfect video for me to stop before committing and asking what my expectations and options are, and pledge knowing I wanted a pretty center piece game to play with family and friend. So video did it's job getting me to make a pledge decision with a good amount of reflection on what I wanted, and what was available. So thanks!!!!!

[@lincolnhoppe]

Excellent!! Thank you for making me consider more carefully for the 2nd run!

[@Danarchy3]

Was introduced to this game over the weekend. We actually played the version you are railing against. I really enjoyed it. Also there were 3 of us and I have to push back a bit about your “the game takes forever” comment. The two I played with were also (fairly) new to the game and their turns were over in record time “ok my turn I’m going to use die 1 to buy, and die 2 to place, that’s my turn you’re up”

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Glad you had a good time!

[@Poiuytrew.Q]

That’s a good point about the metal coins and acrylic tiles.

[@MelanyPMD]

I backed it. I don’t currently own it and I’ve been waiting for a more aesthetic version. I hope this will be it.

[@fbdalian]

I wanted to 👍 but 666 is so perfect 😂. Thanks for the video anyway (which comes too late for me as I'm just discovering it a few months after having backed, but no regrets haha).

[@tah27891]

This is a beautiful.... beautiful version of a classic game. Whether it be the wrong reason or not, I've backed this because it will be the centerpiece of my game collection. It'll absolutely get played, because I would find reasons to bring it to the table just to show off lol

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Hey as long as it gets played enough for you to feel it's worth it, that's all that matters

[@linguiststravelbug]

sure am looking forward to the flood of people getting rid of their first versions when they upgrade to this one !

[@Terabiel]

I'm backing it because a) I want all the expansions in one collective look alike box... but also because of the larger boards and pieces as well as the recessed played boards. That's pretty much it. I have just the base game in its original format and one of the promo expansions right now. I don't like playing boardgames online particularly, so point 2.5 isn't really important. I don't have any fomo for this. I just think it would be nice to have. I don't have a problem with point salad games. I have plenty of other games where points are hard to come by with deep weighty crunchy thinking. I also don't worry about AP. For me, the longest I ever really spend on a turn is about 2 minutes, and most of the time my turns are less than 1 minute long. And if it takes my friends a bit longer to think of what to do, I can remind them "It's a point salad. There's probably no wrong answer. This isn't chess." As for the acryllic? That's a biiig upgrade. Yes, it's nice to get the tiles in acryllic, but that massively bumps weight and production. It should be optional. So should the coins.

[@michaeljoesph8687]

Can’t decide if the acrylic tokens are worth it

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

If they haven't figured out how to put the yellow tile explanations on the back, that would stop me from getting them personally. That was one of my favourite ideas they did with this campaign

[@michaeljoesph8687]

Great point :)

[@jb4882]

I just found your channel and you just saved me 50 bucks. Thank you!

[@JonTripp115]

Poor Beargundy!! Thanks, I needed this video. I'm so tempted to pledge, even though I have a copy of the 2011 edition on my shelf. Those larger, acrylic, double-sided yellow tiles are calling to me...

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Haha, I get the temptation for sure.

[@JJ_TheGreat]

5:44 You are just making me more excited for this version of the game, Chris! I guess I can stop watching the video now… You did a good job! :-

[@jakub_hricov]

I havent backed it for the same reasons and I dont regret it at all. I am perfectly fine with my classic copy from second hand. Had so much fun with it and I definitely will in future!

[@sekkachigaming]

Great video! I'm backing it because I like CoB, but don't have my own copy yet and was going to but one anyway. Yesterday, as per your prediction they announced minis for every tile and at the moment I am very much on the fence about them. I might get them to sell later on, however it all depends on how will they affect shipping (it's over 150 minis so I imagine the box for them will be quite big and heavy...)

[@grey729]

I have had a bit of an internal conflict over the mini's too as the collector side of me wants to have it all and the mini's look nice but realistically its adding another $140 dollars to the price with added shipping and game play wise I can only imagine what its going to be like digging through trays of 150 minis to swap them out onto the board. On top of that I am running low on storage space and have both a zombicide full pledge and Lords of Ragnarok to fill my shelves. I want the mini's but I can't really invest more money nor bend time and space to store them.

[@sekkachigaming]

@@grey729 I totally agree - the minis don't seem like the most practical solution gameplaywise and for that money you can buy a few other board games in retail or back another project. Thanks for your comment, I think you just helped make up my mind. Btw, I have an all in Lords of Ragnarok coming too :)

[@EfrainRiveraJunior]

"A year down the line, when it finally arrives at your door, you feel some retreats." - That statement can be applied to so many things in life.

[@petergross7235]

A year? This is the covid world we live in with a shipping crisis. I'd say two years minimum. Just buy the app and play it now for less money and no setup time.

[@codym6376]

I don’t have a fear of missing out for this one. I just have a “is this game I enjoy worth upgrading if I plan on playing it for years”. I know it is a very unnecessary luxury purchase, but sometimes that’s okay. (if you have the budget for it) I’m still undecided. Gonna finish watching this video and see how strong your powers of persuasion are. Well, the biggest reason for me is still the price considering I already own the anniversary edition. I know I could buy 2-3 other games with that money and have totally unique experiences versus 1 really deluxe one that I already have. Overall; still undecided but not currently backing

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Yeah, I'm so surprised there are this many people pulling the trigger on it honestly especially because likely everyone who wanted an upgraded version would have already upgraded a couple years ago.

[@codym6376]

@@RoomandBoardReviews it’s the art. We’ve complained about it so long that we would feel like hypocrites if we didn’t buy it now. Just wondering if they will release a retail version with this art and lacking the metal coins, stretch goals, and minis. May be a way to get the nicer art and sell my old version to go towards it.

[@TheVlad1616]

@@codym6376 the art is bad on this one. They don’t need to release the entire game, they only need to release better tiles.

[@stacie_everdell]

@@codym6376 This would be awesome. I don't currently have the game and I'm not going to back this over deluxified version, but having the new art would be nice.

[@obsidiansiriusblackheart]

10:22 who's line is it, anyway?

[@kylemoore7746]

Gonna wait for Castles of Ron Burgundy

[@ImaginEric]

It’s kind of a big deal.

[@woolfwoolf]

I spent $95 on mine. My favorite game. I didn't own it so saw the campaign and followed it through, watching this game get a new paint job step by step was fun. The game is well worth what I spent with the numerous upgrades in materials and expansions. Beautiful game!

[@ijcat.online]

The price was honestly less than what I was expecting. I'm going to play this one with my wife before the campaign ends and see if she's into it. I really like castles and definitely like what I've seen from the campaign so far (a no mini pledge is awesome!), it still doesn't make sense to back if the game won't see much play. I also agree about the tiles, I'd rather have those than the coins which is probably why they did it.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

I think that's exactly why they did it (and likely because the tiles do cost a bit more than the coins included, and they wanted to keep the cost below 100euros when people looked at it iniitially). But when companies do that it puts me off. I dislike the upsell. Board gamers are very good at upselling themselves haha.

[@Puddleford]

Great video but got it anyway😆I enjoy the cardboard tiles because they have instructions printed on the back. I hear you though and hope they don't wear out too fast.

[@marcellacooper1600]

This was an instant back for me. I’m so glad they have a tier with no minis. It’s my all time favourite game whose biggest flaw, in my opinion, was the awful artwork ….. but it won’t be a flaw for long!!!

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Haha, not for long! I'm excited for you to own it :)

[@danielgeorges3048]

Never played the game. Ran across this KS version closing soon. Was considering grabbing it but you talked me down. Thank you. I’ll find a used copy to play sometime and see if I like it. Then maybe I can be mad at you for talking me down, lol.

[@total_Gulby]

We'll, I'm getting it because it's cheaper than getting a boat. Besides, I don't really even like to fish.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Ahahaha, I mean, I can't argue with that!

[@VideosFromKandA]

Everyone interested in the acrylic tiles should be aware that, as of right now, the acrylic Knowledge (oops, Monastery) tiles will NOT have their descriptions on the reverse side.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

What? HOW is this an actual thing!!

[@VideosFromKandA]

@@RoomandBoardReviews Language independent = one set for everyone. I understand it, I just don't like it.

[@ruleaus7664]

That's too bad for beginners, but not a problem for experienced players.

[@apokai]

Awesome review! I always love to listen to them to know if I'm going too much FOMO! :)

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Thanks :) I'm glad it's helpful

[@Wolcik3000]

Big Box was on my list but this made me think if I should wait and see it if reached retail

[@RobertSmith-tn2pu]

Thankyou! I did not realise it would take THAT long to play, you just saved me a lot of money and quite possibly a flop at board game night. Cheers!

[@maleficentruler8593]

On the VAT issue, its worth noting that as an EU company it is a legal requirement to include VAT in the cost. They have to sell that way, whether that was used to subsidise shipping or not is a separate issue.

[@Backyard.lumberjack]

Definitely hit on conclusions I came to when ultimately deciding to not pledge. I have the 2019 version and I like the way it looks, really the only thing I’d want more out of it would be acrylic tiles, for the feel and the descriptions on the backs The idea of molded tiles is cool, but in reality a huge waste of space and admin time to pick out each one. Sometimes less is more

[@Backyard.lumberjack]

Oh and this is a year old, but it’s in response to the reprint coming Q2 2024 haha

[@bamthemighty9712]

Thank you for the points to consider. Poor Beargundy; I will back this game in your memory.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Haha the best reason to back I've heard yet :)

[@zak1090]

Omg! Reason number 3 kills me. I love acrylic tiles but now have to pay for them separately and throw out the cardboard tiles i paid for in the standard box.

[@northernbeadle]

Why would you ever throw them out?! Glue them to the back of a shadow box and hang your art piece in your games room!! :D

[@zak1090]

@@northernbeadle 🤔 Not a bad idea 😅

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

@@northernbeadle That's a great idea!

[@ruleaus7664]

Just keep the cardboard ones as backups in case you lose a tile.

[@igelkott255]

Wow, I didn't notice the weird depot order. They need to fix that!

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

I'm 85-90% it'll happen, but you never know. Hopefully they've learned the importance of a good board design from everyone being upset with Etherfields.

[@Tsotanga2]

Yeah this was one of the easiest campaigns to skip. I will continue to place my Ravensburger version on the pedestal of top tier fugly Euros. Deluxification should only add more brown hues.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Castles of Browngundy : The Brown Edition. No colour other than shades of brown ANYWHERE

[@HowardAbraham]

When the majestic pledge was announced I nearly cancelled my pledge. Two days later I caved. It just seems like a game that is the centerpiece of a collection. Razzle-dazzle gets games to the table, and this game is overflowing with it.

[@obsidiansiriusblackheart]

1:25 preventing your neighbours from getting diabeetus, noice 😤

[@jeffhiatt1682]

5 - Point salad is a reason to get it...i love the balancing act of where to give and get points. (and Point Salad is a very fun filler) 4 - AP...not a factor. This just means the game takes some thought and is a plus. 3 - Acrylic. Personally, i am fine with the cardboard, so happy i dont have to buy them. The metal coin point is valid, though unlike acrylic, i do like the metal coins, and i typically dont get them due to cost. I have poker chips for money in games if needed. 2 - 2019 version. Yes, cheaper. Its a viable option. I have the original with most expansions, but considering getting the new version (classic) since this is a top 5 game for both my wife and I. 2.5 - Online...bleh. I like the art for the first version over the second version. 1 - Over-produced Most likely. and yes, the 4 and 6 need to be swapped on the main board. I cannot imagine this wont be changed in the future. For all I know is the 4 and 6 (or the 1 and 3) were swapped accidentally in the art production. yep...no need for minis, but having larger tiles (old eyes) and the vineyards expansion (hope to see rules soon) are very much a draw for me. BONUS : who knows. just evaluate the cost / benefit analysis and make a decision. There are 18 days or so to go, with 9 more reveals, so i have lots of time to make a final description.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Yeah I'm very interested in the reveals and the rules to Vineyards. I expect the remainder will be upgraded first player token, an unnecessary ship mini add-on, maybe find a way to upgrade some of the other tokens. I'm having a hard time guessing what they will be, since I assume you can't improve the thickness of tiles because you want people to go for that acrylic option.

[@FrightfulFailures]

Hey this got re-recommended by KZbin with the new re-campaign running right now. Good job, algorithm

[@oak2278]

I backed, canceled, backed, cancelled and now I’ve landed on just pledging for the acrylic tiles and the playmat without the game and will deluxify my old copy. I really like the new yellow tiles and idea of pulling from bags. The tile setup/teardown is so time consuming.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Keep in mind, the size of the tiles are 30% bigger, so I'm not sure how that will translate on to the main boards. Someone mentioned that down below as they reason they weren't just upgrading for the extra art.

[@karstenszajner6043]

As someone who hasn't played it and has heard a ton of great things about it I was excited to back the mini-less pledge. However, I'll be reconsidering. I am a huge fan of double layered player boards. I guess my question to those that have played the recent 2019 edition that came out, would the new art, and better player board justify the increased price? I don't mind the art and look of the 2019 version but I heard it can be a bit fiddly with tiles moving around and what not.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

I've never found it to be too fiddly with things sliding. I'm actually concerned the double layer will make it more cumbersome, but Marcin mentioned in BoardGameCo's interview that they are going to make sure it isn't. But with the base game, you're mainly putting them on a static board, and there's not much movement/chances for bumping that happens around the table. And because they're laying flat, and they're all colour coded on the map and can only go in very specific places, the chances that even if you did bump them, and they slid everywhere, you'd likely be able to put them back exactly how they were. Or even if some tiles were reversed, the placement of them actually doesn't matter, what matters is that they're on your board and give you a benefit from that. The main improvement here for me are the bags, but I just have all my tiles separated into little bins that I can just draw from randomly. Other than that, I've never found it to be fiddly.

[@vliam]

I have the 2011 version which I've played around 30 times (plus another 500 games online). I've never had a tile move out of place. That's definitely an issue with games like Terraforming Mars with small slick cubes that sit on a slick piece of cardstock that you're frequently moving. So you can never be quite certain where it was if it gets bumped. The CoB tiles have a slight texture to them which creates some friction. They're not going to move much if any.

[@mr_boom105]

My understanding is that if you buy it without the minis they send you the same sized box with essentially empty space where the minis are stored. The minis are only $10 more which would help with resale value down the road. $10 for 16 minis is not a bad deal.. I don't normally care for minis but I backed it with minis, I plan on not using them though.

[@riddlesphinxx]

21:10 YOU DID IT CHRIS! This was all you!

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Haha I knew I would!

[@joeferreti9442]

Omg, what a cruel video, you can't just murder a cuddly toy like that! :O

[@jartree]

I like the game and have the same version you do. I don't hate the art. In fact I think the art in this new version is less clear in some cases than the original. The castles minis are pointless. I am not sure what the coins even are....was that an expansion thing or are those the silverlings? I was ready to back this but I don't see any real improvement beyond the acrylic tiles and draw bags but I am not willing to spend that much for it. I love double layer boards but never had any issue with things sliding around in this game.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

I think the metal coins are the silverlings. And yeah, this is never a game where I'm worried about things sliding around or it being finicky at all

[@guimauve-rose]

You know what, you convinced me, i'm not gonna back it. I was waiting to see the strechgoals, i don't have the game but i play it on BGA a lot, i love it. And you made me realise that even if i get it, i might never play it irl because i like the fact that BGA count the points for me and i'm too lazy. xD I don't really care for the extensions nor the bling, i just like nice art and wanted the basegame without anything else. Thank you.

[@deano2099]

The big difference between the minis/coins and acrylic tiles is that all the former look identical. It's a single mold for the minis and design for the coins, whereas it's 100 or so unique acrylic tiles - both with different printing and different colour acrylic. Flip side is they could have dropped the cardboard tiles from the box then.

[@RvLeshrac]

Remember that they aren't "100 or so unique tiles with different printing and different colour acrylic," it is tens of thousands of tiles in each colour which are then run through a printer. There's some sort of weird mysticism around manufacturing. It isn't magic. All this stuff is, in fact, really cheap to do at scale.

[@obsidiansiriusblackheart]

Ready to watch this now that I've just bought a bunch of new dnd stuff 😬

[@PatrickKerwin]

Great points and information. Helped me avoid backer regrets.

[@BrentonM]

For a game that I've been interested in for a while, but don't have, this looks like a lovely edition for the most part, but it's SO expensive (shipping alone looks like it would cost me around $40-$50 AUD). Add to that some odd choices they're currently showing such as this deluxe special edition not being entirely deluxe (some components are still cardboard), the weird board design as mentioned here, non-stackable victory point tokens, and more, it all feels a little too uncertain of a prospect to me for the price it would cost me. I'm also not a fan of their "unlocked stretch goals" which, from what I can tell, are just timed announcements that were always going to be included and not an actual stretch goal based on anything like money raised or number of backers. Think I'll be sitting this one out and I'll wait and see what becomes of it over the next year or so.

[@wolfgame_tutorials]

I don’t back kickstarters hardly ever. This is only the third or fourth campaign I’ve actually backed, and it’s because I love the game, and I like the component upgrades. Not necessary, but I’m happy about the campaign and no regrets.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Awesome I hope you love it!

[@AdrianPaneto]

bahahaha on the head cut off. I absolutely lost it with laughter. Thanks for the laugh.

[@JJ_TheGreat]

11:20 Again… Why would that stop someone who already has the game and enjoys it from backing the newest campaign and getting just plain better components for a game they like?! I understand you are trying to dissuade people who haven’t played the game yet from getting into it, but that’s kind of anti- the point…

[@ianw0ng]

my wallet says thank you. my impulse is still annoyed though.

[@nipzie]

I've just received this game, so your video was unsuccessful. Next time give me 6 reasons. It is REALLY nice though.

[@db5823]

KickStarter strategy: Wait until it's in board game stores and buy it at a lower price. Or don't buy it, because you learn that there are too many flaws to make it worth while.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

That's THE strategy right there.

[@JJ_TheGreat]

14:33 Gotcha… Point taken! You are finally making an argument about why we shouldn’t back the campaign! ;-)

[@psterud]

The original game, even with a few of the mini-expansions, is fine as it is. I do understand people's complaints about the dull colors of the boards and pieces. I personally don't see it when I play, because it's the game I learned on, and play often. There's a certain charm to it, in fact. I'm glad that new versions are bringing new players to the game. It's one of the greats. Less plastic would be ideal.

[@powertopeople1]

You are right my game store on line has ten copies for fifty Canadian.

[@raider363]

I feel like the acrylic tiles would definitely be more expensive than the coins so don't think they'd be able to swap them for the same price.

[@jksgameshelf3378]

My life won't be complete until I get my copy of the deluxe edition. In my top 3 favorite games of all time and I want all the long overdue improvements in the look of the game, plus the new vineyard expansion. So THERE!

[@jameslebar9401]

What you're saying: " Hi, I am here to talk you out of it. " My Brain: "I buy the shiny thing." XD Jokes aside I really appreciate all your videos and input. I love the game, and its an evergreen that I for see lasting in my collection forever so with that being said I want something that will always look beautiful (and still player accessible) and not suffer through the wear and tear.

[@Kool212]

Definitely agree with coins, don't care for them. Would much rather the acrylic tiles.

[@joa7302]

Reason 2 - as of last week, mid April 2024,the special edition is out in stores. And guess what ?!? The original version is totally impossible to find, the deluxe edition can still be find on selected websites with a high price tag. Ravensburger Australia does not even list the game anymore on their website! So if you really want COBs, once again in Australia and without having to import, you can pretty much only buy the new super expensive edition. I just find this interesting… like a well layed out marketing plan…

[@SenseiJae]

I’m disappointed the made the bits bigger. Table space is a premium and i might not be able to table this one. Also it felt like they did that so you couldn’t just back the acrylics, you need the new boards to use the acrylics.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Very legit on both counts. I feel like it's a syndrome of previous deluxified games like Castles of Mad King Ludwig where people think bigger is better, and it might make it more readable for someone across the table, but I'm also with you.

[@Zilong09]

I am grateful for this. I already have too many on my list. With Vindication still available to order and then this humming in the background... Yeah it was easy to pass on this to make more room in my budget. Thanks! That said it looks great and all the power of you can back this edition.

[@JJ_TheGreat]

8:48 What?! How dare you! That has nothing to do with this campaign. There are a lot of people who are dumping their old versions of the game - just so they can get this Special Edition of it… and this version plays EXACTLY the same way as those 1st 2 versions - therefore, why would this (your #5 reason) stop me from backing the campaign?

[@paulrumohr]

It's going to be the size of two Ark Nova boxes... what a shelf hog!

[@johnfavaro8008]

So appreciate this video. I'm still considering, but honestly I have my original version and I'm thinking I can probably get the extra maps and expansions from people who are upgrading. Honestly between the castle minis blocking the boards, the same sized box, and paying extra for the acrylic tiles I feel they are really missing out on what would have had me back. It feels like just extra fluff for a game I already have with a lot of caveats, which is a bummer.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

I'm with you. I'm now more inclined to buy a laminator and print out all the maps I want haha.

[@ruleaus7664]

I'm disappointed that the box size for the no minis pledge is the same as the minis pledge. I really just want a smaller box with the acrylic tiles upgrade. Still I'm going to back at the Sundrop pledge, because COB is a game I already know I like a lot. Plus, I don't play a lot of new games at all, so it makes sense for me to enhance a game I already like than to be buying new games that'll never get played.

[@pane660]

You sir, are horrible. How could you destroy Castle of Beargundy? That kind of senseless violence will not be tolerated by the animal pun community. Please, let minnow what you think.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Doggone it, I didn't do it on Porpoise! But I would be lion if I said he didn't have it coming.

[@zacharyhale4235]

Every moment of the Plush Violence was so extreme. My heart hurt. (It was funny!) Thanks for helping so many people’s wallets.

[@petergross7235]

It would have to be my favorite game of all time to pay crazy money for art and bigger tiles and plastic castles. My old copy works just fine.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

That's exactly my thought too.

[@ruleaus7664]

Well, it's got all the expansions included, so there's more than that.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

@@ruleaus7664 The deluxe edition released in 2019 has 8 of the 10 expansions, at least that's what everything I've read in reviews/on BGG has said. You're just missing some boards, which you could easily print out if you were in desperate need.

[@ruleaus7664]

@@RoomandBoardReviews don't forget the new vineyard expansion designed by Feld. The question still remains if I want to pay 3 times more for the complete COB experience. This will be the final edition to have that experience. So you in?

[@RyknowToGo]

As someone who is still waiting on their single wave of Etherfields, getting it in a year seems VERY optimistic. Lol. Lesson learned.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Haha oh nooo. It's coming soon though for you! I need to get it back to the table

[@RyknowToGo]

@@RoomandBoardReviews it's okay. It was only the second big boardgame I'd ever backed. I've acquired plenty to keep myself occupied while I wait. I have a suspicion it's going to be difficult to get to the table. I haven't had a lot of luck getting my groups into campaign style games. Closest we've got is playing through Rise of Fenris with my wife, which we enjoyed immensely.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

@@RyknowToGo Yeah it's hard for me to say because I feel like we really got stopped with the Pandemic, so never got into the zone with it. I have enjoyed the 3-4 chapters we've done so far though.

[@JonoNZBoardGamer]

Great video! My plan is to wait for someone to sell it on the secondhand market later if the final production is any good. That or buy someone's old copy that they sell when they upgrade to this version. Tbh I don't even know if it is a game I want in my collection when this would arrive 2 years from now... So easy pass for me. Thanks for confirming my descision

[@cryozeal]

I'd expected more reasons about this specific version. Some of the reasons feel like you're talking people out of the game itself, not this special version being crowd funded.

[@garybrittsan1597]

I like metal coins when they're included (though not enough that I ever pay for them), but I completely agree with you that it would be much nicer (and cheaper for backers) to switch the acrylic tiles and metal coins. For me, the big one is your Point 2: this game is already out and available everywhere. Deluxifications are all well and good, but a heavy Euro like this, to me, doesn't benefit from them nearly as much as more thematic games do. Basically, if you've never felt compelled to buy this game before now, there's no reason to suddenly jump all in. And if you already own it: congratulations on having one of the most beloved board games of all time! Why do you need a second copy?

[@Simon-xb6ov]

I love these videos; there the reason I started watching the channel. I hope @RoomAndBoard you are using part of your weekend to prep the script for "5 Reasons you SHOULDN't Back: Arcs" :D They are totally going to be over $1M by Monday!

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Oh geez, you're absolutely right! I've got to get on that one, thanks for the heads up!

[@CarrollLiddell]

The castle minis could definitely be made differently. They could be flatter. And everything you're saying is so right. If I get this game, I'll get the version without the minis. Save $15 AUD :P. It's just so pretty... Makes me want a Viticulture special edition...

[@bwilliams7380]

I'm late to the board game hobby, I don't own this game physically, and I love this game on BGA. And I have a thing for upgrading my games as much as possible. It was a no-brainer for me to back this. But you made some valid points for people that had a hard time deciding.

[@tomb5353]

Having only ever played the game once, I was on the fence about whether to back the project. This video was really helpful. I think I'll just borrow my friend's copy a couple more times and get the previous edition if I decide to buy it myself. Also, has anyone told you that you kind of look like the starter Pokemon that evolves into Aaron Rodgers?

[@maxnix9256]

I wanted to buy Castles of Burgundy for a long time and when I saw the campaign, I immediatly followed. But once it launched, I lost my interest. Sure the game is great, but more than double the price is too much. Sure making different artworks and let people decide which shall be used, costs money. Sure the 3D castles have to be designed. Sure there was a new desine and a double layer board. Sure there is a new expansion. Sure there are metal coins. But I am not interested in most of the stuff. For me the old artwork was not perfekt, but seemed fine. Double layer boards can be useful, but not for this game. The only thing I think is cool, are the bags and the acrylics (which cost as much as a used copy of the game)... It is a great game and I am sure people will enjoy it. But this version is simply not for me. Maybe there will be a normal prices retail version without the metal coins

[@biznesstime83]

Thanks for sharing. Yours seems the minority opinion on not backing and with valid rationale. I’m leaning towards backing. And debating on what level of delux components to get. Not sure if I want the minis. (They can be annoying in gameplay, but they do have table presence and get my kids interested in checking out daddy’s toys. ) Not interested in the playmat. (I have a rack of neoprene mats in the basement that just take up space - wish someone would make one big enough to double as a yoga mat) But I do want to get the acrylic tiles. (For same reasons that cardboard in a bag gets worn far quicker unless other measures are taken to protect them) Agree that I would have also liked the tiles in the base instead of the coins. But that is not a deal breaker.

[@RoomandBoardReviews]

Getting kids to check out daddy's toys is a super valid reason, haha. Mold them into your perfect gaming partners!!

[@biznesstime83]

@@RoomandBoardReviews that’s the plan. Cheers!