Rory Stewart and Alastair Campbell Try To Explain the Political Histories of Pakistan and Indonesia

[@arfanr8228]

As a British Pakistani who follows the news closely - Rory explains current day Pakistani politics very well without being overly simplistic

[@alhabtoormotors4221]

He's wrong about it being formed from India. Both India and Pakistan were formed from the British Raj. Before the British conquest, a united India never existed.

[@Dawood.Pervez]

@@alhabtoormotors4221that is true but I think that essentially what he meant, despite not phrasing it correctly

[@zehrakhan-owald5675]

Hi! British expat from Germany here. I don’t know whether you read any comments yourselves because there must be so many. Anyway, if you should ever read this, thank you both for this explanation about Pakistani politics. I’m glad, Rory, that you weren’t too damning about Imran Khan. I listen to your podcasts religiously and, like so many other people, am grateful for your insights, time and effort! Hope to vote in the next UK general election after 30 years of not being able to. 🙏❤️

[@Gehri_soch2.0]

ruled by military government since the 40 well that's false because that didn't come into affect until the 60s with Ayyub Khan like Pakistan didn't come into existence until the late 40s and didn't have a president until mid 50s but general Ayyub Khan was particularly significant like PTI have decided on making he's son a candidate for the presidential post but PTI is a personality cult of IK the Islamist populist Rory says “took over the country and then was toppled" Negates mentioning that Khan met Putin like if Rory met Putin in the current climate he would've been cancelled like Carlson Negates mentioning how Khan discriminated against one of the leading macro economists based off religion Negates mentioning how Khan caused stagnation in The Punjab by having a puppet like Usman Buzdar as the CM of that province or the fact that Khan victim blamed women for being raped or hoisted Turkish propaganda on the nation all of that is collective amnesia

[@alexm7310]

What an absolute shambles. Thank God for these explainers! 😊

[@LCDTravel]

Alastair & Rory, thank you for widening my horizon.

[@stumpali]

You didn't mention that neither Imran Khan's name nor his image are allowed to be referenced in the media. And Twitter is strategically and often disabled.

[@Gehri_soch2.0]

Bani PTI

[@naheemhussainuk]

The notion that Imran Khan's removal was solely an internal affair, disconnected from international ties, overlooks the broader context. I believe Khan's challenges to US policies, particularly regarding drone strikes and military involvement in Pakistan's affairs, prompted a response, as the US sought to maintain influence, especially in a nation with nuclear capabilities.

[@arunsar7893]

It might not have been solely an internal affair but primarily an internal affair. The "international ties" had very little, if anything at all, to do with his removal.

[@hsafootballworld1321]

It was all a drama. It’s true that the Army did not want Imran Khan anymore. But Imran Khan along with US played a master stroke here. He knew no leader has earlier said anything against the US. So by pointing his finger at US and talking against them made Imran look brave in the people’s eyes. He played an emotional game with the foolish Pakistan people. In that way he connected emotionally with the public because the majority of Pakistani public is anti-American. In reality, Imran Khan and US are on the same side. The reason for playing this game: US knew there was no way PTI would have won the elections in 2023 after Imran Khan’s poor performance and the amount of lies/false promises he had made. So by this doing people would turn to Imran Khan’s side again.

[@OwenN98]

As an Indonesian in the UK, your insight on Indonesian politics is super interesting to hear about!

[@Areflection4]

Wonderfully historical/current affairs discussion not easily available in this area. Gentlemen, Thank you.

[@AlienwareXable]

All the corrupt ruling elite in Pakistan has parked their dirty money in UK and other western countries.... please do your next video on their prosperities and assets in UK

[@nayabshazia9171]

I'm glad to watch the analysis about Pakistan politics.... from Pakistan...

[@valentinesouthest2806]

Fantastic Guys ❗️

[@maxyogi]

Now... You got it. Your efforts are in alignment with manifestation. Now... Go Hard! For KALM.

[@Hippieheyhey]

I'm really impressed by the insight the two of you have and you gave a very good summary of the status quo of Pakistani politics. I hope IK somehow manages to pull through and become the leader that the country should have had a good 50 (if not 77) years ago! A final curious note: My mum's cousin is a retired ex-Pak army officer (rather high up) and he was thoroughly surprised as to how much we who grew up in the west knew of Pakistani and world politics! So yes, the army seems to have a history of underestimation..!

[@tropics8407]

Wow 😳 Bizzare 🤦‍♂️ thank you for the excellent explanations 😮‍💨

[@rkdaltry2022]

The reason Imran Khan was overthrown by the Army was at the behest of the US. Imran Khan was advocating an independent foreign policy for Pakistan, but the USUK was against this for obvious reasons. So, please tell the full story instead of this nonsense.

[@hashimawan2433]

The thing is that those 2 Parties are actually nothing but Dynasty based organizations, that's why a third party was launched by the Pakistani Establishment.

[@alamkhan11]

Incorrect and biased analysis. Imran was never brought to power by military,in fact the military stole his majority in the last election by stopping RTS system,which suppressed the vote count. Consequently,his candidate who were winning at night,were declared losers in the morning. In total known 35 seats were snatched from him making him open to blackmail by the military,which was designed my the military. The military infiltrated 35 MP’s who were their assets. So when the General decided to pull the rug under khans feet,those assets switched sides and khan was deposed. Khan is now unstoppable. He’s made the ppl aware and educated them. The genie is out of the bottle. The military that was once worshipped by the ppl has now become a taboo. Khan is the most honest leader in the country history and popular than the founder of Pak.

[@mysticinorbit]

Utter nonsense. Khan ... former playboy with no political experience couldn't cope with the surges of power and suffered from it's intoxication... Hence all the cases against him. Politically and morally bankrupt

[@hannankhan5589]

Excellent analysis. However, I’d like to correct Mr. Campbell on one minor error, the majority of people in Pakistan can actually read or write, 40% of the country is illiterate but the rest is literate. How literate is debatable but most of them can at the very least, read and write in Urdu if not their native language. English literacy is scarce, even in normal high schools/secondary schools. Sincerely, a Pakistani.

[@mtsardar]

Thank you 🙏 for expressing the facts

[@mustafaaziz6731]

Fantastic breakdown of Pakistan. Really nailed it.

[@ambimu55hak]

Good program but with respect, the army didn’t make Imran Khan, 26 years of selfless political struggle made him.

[@arfanhussain1]

The voters decided to give him a chance eventually as the 2 dynastic political families had looted so much from the State that IK was the only option they had left. He was the right choice.

[@eahannan]

Impressively detailed . Thank you

[@Masd-d4z]

Maybe Stewart can do a podcast on the role his grandad played in selling out the Arabs and the formation of the Balfour Treaty leading to ethnic cleansing of palestinians by foreign refugees.

[@johnwright9372]

Visiting the sins of the grandfather on the grandson?

[@Masd-d4z]

@@johnwright9372 would be a great start to understand the creation of this problem to eventually coming to a resolution. No harm in standing up to tell the truth. Many have suffered as a result.

[@mrnomad1737]

One can not hold son or desendant for the sins of forefathers. Learning from history is one thing but living in history is another.

[@Masd-d4z]

@@mrnomad1737 one should never be ignorant of the fact that history dictates the future. Lesson learnt is determined by ones actions in the future.

[@shafatgangoo]

Fair analysis Rory 👏

[@khawajaahmed519]

Alaster Campbell ,Row Staurt genius Alastai Campbell towering popular personality Tony Baliars govt.mr Campbell gentle genius true portatate of English politics.love U

[@msfy-q4w]

We the people of Pakistan fully support the honest leader Imran khan...

[@huwzebediahthomas9193]

I mentioned Cameron's alleged Vodaphone Westminster political phone hacking in the early 2000's, this morning, and what advert appears here at start? A blooming Vodaphone one! God sakes.

[@Sagalands]

And the recent hip hop theme tune Vodaphone uses. Ante up - MOP is actually all about robbing people!

[@lillypixie28]

2x tickets purchased for the London O2 show - £181 !!

[@salsylexhagen7423]

Have a great night!

[@av94718]

Pakistan army - never lost an election never won a war

[@mrNashmann]

That's not true they did win all the govt contracts as well

[@vibeuk2003]

@@mrNashmann Lol

[@sararichardson737]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@daves4026]

True

[@TeeTee-zm2re]

😂 it's a business not really a fighting force

[@MohammedHanif-k6c]

I think one thing that they are both missing is that America, EU, and the UK encourage military authoritarian rule. If not, then why do they meet these generals so openly to give the recognition they crave. Just look at the recent general in Pakistan, Asim Munir. He regularly goes on tours in the above countries and is treated like a king maker. Hell, we even train Pakistan's pathetic generals and judges. The above countries have a lot of leverage, particularly in regards to trade and aid, which they just do not use to rein in these despots. What is happening in Pakistan will not be tolerated in a Western country , so why tolerate it in Pakistan. Nothing justifies what is happening in Pakistan, injustice, cruelty, murder, rape, torture of citizens and journalists, blackmail etc forced disappearances,

[@martinthemillwright]

That’s the first positive assessment of Erdogan made by a western commentator that I’ve ever heard on any media.

[@polyglot8]

6:10 "Erdogan succeeded in toppling the Turkish military to create a secular state." You've got that BACKWARDS mate. Erdogan succeeded in toppling the secular state that Ataturk founded, with the military as its guarantor, to create a creeping Islamic state. But in your defense, I love the "Keith Richards" haircut.

[@johnwright9372]

Not correct. Erdogan embraced the Conservative Islamic establishment.

[@TeeTee-zm2re]

The majority of Turks support Erdogan which is why he keeps winning elections. Isn't that how it's supposed to work?

[@Ms123kill]

Secular or not, fact is ataturk was a dictator, he forced people to change their names, killed and prisoned a lot of people, forced women to not wear head scarfs. Secular or not he was like most other dictators

[@FRM101]

Is this a re-upload? I've heard them say all of this.

[@frankgbisley87]

I got confused too, thought perhaps I was having a case of dejavu. This was uploaded the other day in another video

[@obdev9473]

They should call these repeats something like 'Best of' or 'Recap' so we can filter out stuff we've seen before.

[@johnjoyce-h3u]

Those who Khan do. Those who Khan't steal it.

[@callummcgregor4589]

Singh it bitches

[@zafreacts1587]

Overnight PTI was leading on 180 plus seats. Them election commission stopped results for 2-3 days . This is how military stole the mandate from Pakistani public …

[@applecounty]

Great video, as always. Not sure about the border though.

[@marblackCanada]

Date stamp please.

[@mrnomad1737]

Rory Stewat is a leader that tory does not have. A well educated person.

[@avforme2391]

The bit about Bushra Bibi's marriage to Imran and him believing in soothsayers is a pretty ridiculous lie. One would expect some due diligence when checking your sources.

[@dddddbbb]

Love your channel Rory and Alastair. What are your thoughts on helping to push policies to address wealth inequality? Would you be willing to work with people like Gary Stevenson to help ensure politicians respond appropriately to this growing issue?

[@gingerbard2607]

Wealth inequality merely reflects in large degree IQ inequality.

[@dddddbbb]

@@gingerbard2607 lol - the corellation between IQ and wealth is definitely not clearly defined, usually has far more to do with who the individuals parents are.

[@gingerbard2607]

@@dddddbbb That's exactly what I'm stating! 😂

[@dddddbbb]

@@gingerbard2607 I thought you meant IQ as intelligence quotient

[@saadiayousouf6975]

I greatly admire your dedication to objective analysis, particularly in its potential to serve educational purposes. In the context of Pakistan, when presenting a comparison between two or three entities-be they parties or other relevant actors-it becomes imperative to specify certain metrics. I noticed in your recent presentation that while you provided a comprehensive overview of Imran Khan's party, other parties were only briefly touched upon, potentially leading to misunderstandings among your audience. Please delve deeper into the intricacies of Pakistani politics, including its historical context, to enhance the credibility and persuasiveness of your analysis. Your ability, akin to that of Alastair Campbell, to dissect and present complex cases convincingly is highly valued by your audience, including myself. We seek to transcend the factual paradoxes that may ensnare us, and believe that your impartial comparison, grounded in well-defined parameters, can illuminate the path forward.

[@davidpinfold852]

I like the Indonesian leaders bad dad dancing. That's what Ed Balls was up to.....LOL

[@rewIndustry]

i keep getting distracted by the picture behind AC - can anyone say what it is, and what the caption says?

[@bibblable]

It takes up to 40 dumb animals to make a fur coat... You can google it and find the image on the V&A website

[@Bar-Hillel]

Nice one Rory, but you forgot to explain to those who don't know, "bogey man" is itself Indonesian. It comes from the Bugas people of Macassar, who were fierce fighers.

[@hjf3022]

I think this might be coincidental

[@sarahkhan3711]

Musharraf was a serving general, so don’t say that he had military background!

[@Gehri_soch2.0]

I'll have musharraf any day of the week rather than sharif

[@israrhussain6175]

We just gonna ignore US intererfance

[@187A1]

Pakistan is just another Myanmar run by Military junta. Pakistan is not a democracy. We pakistanis have no rights in this country. Let this be known to the world.

[@cricketexpert4991]

IK struggled for 22 years in politics before being elected as PM unlike the two parties who were created by the establishment.

[@TheArchitect101]

How do you feel about india playing covert operations in Pakistan. What are they aiming to gain?

[@BrookT786]

Rory researched Pakistan well

[@rkdaltry2022]

Rory, you are wrong on a number of points : 1) in 2018, PTI lost about 30 seats as the Army did not want them to have a clear majority 2) The attack on the Army installations was a false flag operation to destroy PTI …sorry to say, but you have a totally distorted view about what is going on in Pakistan. I am shocked at your level of ignorance.

[@Gehri_soch2.0]

Oh so you ignored the beginning part in which he said Pakistan has been under military rule since the 40s

[@sera2775]

Rory stewart could tell me the worst thing and i wouldn’t mind because he has such a calming voice 😂

[@Gehri_soch2.0]

Your mother has cancer

[@JelMain]

Don't forget, you have to split Army and Army Intelligence (ISI - and that should tell you a lot).

[@Gehri_soch2.0]

Remember hameed gul

[@JelMain]

@@Gehri_soch2.0 For those who don't know him, he was the Head of ISI, the heart of the punjab, who probably authorised the shelter of Osama Bin Laden, thereby causing the Afghan War.

[@infrared2084]

Two party systems are no longer viable

[@ZZZebman]

Lots and lots of missing details and inaccuracies with only handpicked events to get to a predetermined conclusion.

[@constantquestioning4010]

« When I was with Tony Blair … » says Campbell From defence of a genocidal war criminal to pontificating bigotry Discredited double act 🤦🏻

[@TeeTee-zm2re]

Campbell doesn't give a F. If there's a hell he's going to end up in the front row.

[@LondonFriendsWalks]

And the British, the Portuguese gave the King of England the City of Tangiers as a dowery when he married his Portuguese bride, there is an Irish Tower in the fortified walled City where Irish troops helped the British “defend” the City. Moulay Ismael kicked them out in the end he did the same to the Portuguese. Oh and the Jews are actually more Moroccan than the Arabs, they were there before the Arabs. Don’t tell them that though or they’ll try and take over again. Only joking we love our Moroccan Jewish citizens.

[@oneallah5281]

Imran khan is a honest leader

[@V.J.18.]

He was made PM by the army, he didn't won enough seat. Army did all the horse trading to make him PM

[@TheArchitect101]

Indonesia is going through a modi of India moment! But the west opened arms to modi even though he was banned at one point for the right reasons.

[@monsterg4603]

Benerzeer Bhutto installed by England just like idi amin who happened to be educated in gardens town Scotland who consequently kicked out the Indians who happened to move to western countries to benefit the west. Irony???

[@brachisaurous]

...the laid back Pakistani Punjabis, who are overwhelming majority in Pakistan will not revolt against their army. partly due to their laidback nature and mainly due to their indoctrinated veneration of the "establishment". While Pakistan's other regions like Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa have been in a constant state of revolt since Pakistan's inception, which the Pakistani army has been successful in quelling until now. In short, Pakistan is likely to remain in a constant state of flux for the forseable future.

[@gbickell]

Very diplomatic in not mentioning the military coup that did away with Sukarno and killed 1 million people. Or the genocidal invasion of Timor and Indonesia's actions in Borneo. Indonesia is an interesting country but I have the impression that they are still a military-run dictatorship

[@peacefulpleb]

Offers hope for Trump i.e. being able to rule a country from jail.

[@huwzebediahthomas9193]

​@jbarber2337 A grifter? As if we didn't know. Ha-haa-hah. Jesus!

[@Kayotesden]

So much of what Rory said is incorrect about the PTI & Imran Khan's position... otherwise good show.

[@bilalahmed642]

Pervez Musharraf wanted to make imran pm during his reign but didnot appoint him because he was openly pro taliban

[@no-one9094]

We stand by Imran Khan ❤

[@najeebkhan8422]

Come on you don't seriously believe that IK married because his new wife told him that was the only way he would become PM.....that is such a bs story .

[@MHasnain2663]

What are you two on about. So many un factual shit about khan and his wife.

[@unbabunga229]

I wonder what ideological commonality they have that may cause all of their problems

[@Shaggy-8392]

Democracy?

[@unbabunga229]

@@Shaggy-8392 😅

[@andrewrobinson2565]

At last an episode with real expertise rather than opinion and, sometimes, "misremembered"/invented statistics from Rory (e.g. recent comparative GDP per capita figures) which were INCREDIBLY disappointing, as his delivery is so trustworthy in its tone. 😢

[@constantquestioning4010]

No, mere opinions.

[@troypresa]

You started from the partition but you were supposed to start from when the British came there. Wherever the British went in the world we have problems there now for eg Palestine.

[@FireflyOnTheMoon]

I don't suppose anyone would disagree

[@KashmiriNamak]

Absolute codswallop. The military removed seats from imran khan in 2018. Its on record. Sharifs were caught in the Panama papers as were generals so sharif had to be the fall guy. Even shabaz sharif admitted he was approached by general bajwA to form government but was then decided to wait a couple of years

[@fung4310]

The map of Pakistan is wrong. Yes Kashmir is disputed but you still include it.

[@ishtiaq968]

There British created Pakistan and split India and left a mess behind

[@jamesgeorge8915]

Crap dad dancing! Perhaps rishi needs to think outside the box.

[@khar12d8]

It can be simplistic to view military influence as bad. If you look at Turkey, the country is becoming less liberal and more theocratic now that the military has lost influence. The military is a secular influence.

[@ShikharRawat-ft6yd]

Only political party in Pakistan is pak army

[@Scubadooper]

Your videos are great content, but the editing/presentation of them is disastrous. I want to listen to what you guys have to say, but I can't afford the time it takes.

[@restispolitics]

How so?

[@garethyoung6067]

Why is Rushi Sunak such a coward

[@user-zl6dx6tu4e]

Rory Stewart, please do more research on the topics. Some of the facts are incorrect.

[@skysky6801]

These two seem to have Trump derangement syndrome. They do not have enough insight to American politics and should stick to Pakistan or Indonesia where experts cannot tell they do not know much. They also seem to promote their left wing views fairly stridently. As alternative news there are much better podcasts so they need to do more homework. And less Trump bashing. What will they do if Trump wins. Just complain.

[@mpqw]

What about Imran being an army project when he was launched. Why wasnt this said?

[@Hesham_963]

Thanks to the USA

[@Roddersville]

I want to hear you talk about Putin …the real threat !

[@atifmehuddin3189]

utter bull how imran khan would be blackmailed for power by his wife

[@azman1605]

The west cud not handle him in power

[@InjusticeinIndia]

Under Imran khan radical Islam have increased dramatically.

[@Karima-tv6cw]

Not enough knowledge about Pakistani politics except what colonial Masters expect of the British Colonial Army in Pakistan .. I am sure you are clever enough to realise that Military in Pakistan is still fashioned and follows and considers U.K. & US as its Lord and masters and also where it’s allegiance lies !! Hence ordinary Pakistanis are NATIVES for them whom they are trying to control for their Lords and Masters. Rory & Alistair must remember Clumsy Gen Bajwa standing in for HM Queen Elizabeth ii at Sandhurst pass out parade!! You guys rewarded him for Toppling Imran Khan whom you see as a threat to the West!! I suppose you have only one Vantage point which is of Colonial Masters .. I suggest that you try looking from the other side of the fence too!!

[@JelMain]

Imran? JFK

[@jayjayaseelan7441]

Partitioned by the British?!

[@SirWhiteRabbit-gr5so]

Democracy??

[@vibeuk2003]

Exactly. Pakistan is not a democracy. Anyone that thinks it is is deluding themselves.

[@aperson22222]

This podcast keeps getting more and more depressing.

[@khalidamin2283]

Lots of rubbish in this video especially some negative points which are falsely attributed to Imran Khan.

[@dexter4638]

Promo_SM 😈

[@SandyJohnson-ur6xi]

English arrogance is alive and well

[@brachiator1]

Interesting. I am finding the discussion here to be more fair minded than other programs.

[@gingerbard2607]

Could there be any more diabolically, shithousery a combo than these two?

[@ogribiker8535]

Yet here you are!.

[@asadshetty]

Imran khan himself came by military support so you reap what you aow.

[@msfy-q4w]

Lol.

[@andrewrose7800]

This is far better without Campbell. Go on a solo run, Rory.

[@huwzebediahthomas9193]

Married again? Typical! Always looking for a new trophy.