Rose Roes, talks about Non Duality, September 22-2023

#advaita #nonduality #satsang
Every Friday 19.00-20.30 ( Amsterdam time) ( no meeting Sept 29+30)
You are welcome to join.
October 21-22, live meeting in English in Amsterdam
December 1-3 , live meeting in Folsom, California, USA
All details on : www.rosemarijnroes.nl

[@phk2000]

To have free will I would need to be a totally separate autonomous being. My pointer to seeing the fallacy of this is in seeing that the universe is infinite. Forget about all the stars and planets for a moment and see the infinite space in which they reside. That space has to be infinite. For it to end there would have to be something beyond space that wasn't space. And the idea of that is ridiculous. So because it's infinite space doesn't stop where my body starts or it wouldn't be infinite. Therefore my body and space might appear to be separate but in reality they can only ever be infinite space appearing as separate when it’s truly all ONENESS. So there cannot be any free will, only the illusory appearance of it.

[@alarj8341]

But it's just mental "understanding". It doesn't matter. Like anything else 😊

[@mementomori5374]

Beautiful i loved reading it feels spacious 😜👍

[@mementomori5374]

@@alarj8341so what are you trying to say ? So we just shut because it doesn’t matter ?

[@phk2000]

@@mementomori5374 Thank you!

[@alarj8341]

@@mementomori5374 no one said so, but if that's how it's being felt then it's this also :)

[@karlskaret275]

Rose, what is "practical" about taking note of when your live meetings are? What is practical about an apparent me going to listen to an apparent Rose? There is no one. Seems more impractical doesn't it? All you talk about is about how it feels to be a me that has a concept that there is no me. Do you see the contradiction? I get that we are not our individual identity. But you can't deny the Self. You say there is no self, but all, only, what you talk about is what it feels like to be no one from the perspective of One Self. The contradiction is through the roof. It's like the essence of contradiction. It really is gibberish that you are speaking isn't it? I guess you always say it is. But it "seems" like "what's happening" is "you" or "the message" cares about Self. At least enough to bank some money from practical live events.

[@karlskaret275]

@miguelpais4939 "somebody else" going against my story? Who is that? Love? Friend? What is that? I have a reason to moan. I think this concept needs to confronted. It's an affront to love and friendship. But what is the reason for "no one" talking to "no one" about nothing? Please explain

[@bonnieroberts1799]

@@karlskaret275 This is not a concept. It is nothing appearing as everything, which includes: love, friendship, a "reason to moan," and "an affront." How can there be an explanation of Everything?

[@karlskaret275]

@bonnieroberts1799 how are you explaining that there is nothing to explain? How are you telling me there is no you? How is what Rose says, not a concept? Rose says it's just talking happening. It's meaningless. Seems to me that if nothing can be explained and there is no one to explain to no one that there is no one, the maybe Rose or the message or whatever it is would not be having regular spontaneous talks. Do you see the contradiction of this? Rose says there is no self, but all she talks about is the "concept" of self. Kind of like having regular talks about pink elephants. There is just table tableing and chair chairing, but Rose doesn't talk much about that. The message doesn't help anyone or no one. It's gibberish as Rose says. Maybe helping and caring and love and friendship and me are a story, but I think it's worth reading. If you have the awareness to read.

[@bonnieroberts1799]

@@karlskaret275 The brain functions and can offer explanations without there being a little homunculus of a "me" residing somewhere within the body. Yes of course, there is an apparent world where talking and meetings seemingly happen, but it's illusory. Nothing appearing as Everything. Even quantum physics reveals most matter is 99. 9 percent empty. That may seem threatening or frustrating to a body/mind who believes in the "me." The beliefs of Karl are also included in the Everything, and the character called Bonnie is not trying to disabuse Karl of those beliefs. Duality has many contradictions. Trying to grasp this sharing of non duality through awareness, knowing, or intellect is futile.

[@karlskaret275]

@bonnieroberts1799 I don't believe in "me." It hasn't fallen away, but I don't believe in it. I do know there is One Divine Self, though. It doesn't contradict ItSelf. Pretty hard to imagine nothing appearing as everything is not divine. The fact that this is all a dream makes it even harder to believe it's not divine. That isn't proof. What is proof, though, is the undeniable sense of Self that cares about ItSelf. Bonnie, do you really feel there is no sense of self in you that cares about ItSelf? Maybe this isn't a concept since it doesn't contradict ItSelf. Awareness isn't dual. It's everything. Duality appears in awareness. Doesn't mean awareness or One Self is dualistic any more than "the message" is. I explaining over and over that there is no I (Self) and there is nothing to explain for no one....is like..whaat, whoo, whhaat, why, how??? What can be grasped without awareness? There is no Rose or Bonnie that cares I guess, but there is OneSelf expressing ItSelf through Karl who is like a wave in the One ocean. Karl cares. I see that "me" has gotten in the way of explaining this perfectly. But Self claiming there is no Self is like the very essence of contradiction. Rose says there is no one. She proves what she says is a concept by saying there is no one. And going on to talk and talk only about what it is like to be SOMEONE wanting to be no one. The proof is in the pudding. Yes, it's great to end seeking "me". But denying Self or God, is futile. Rose says there is no people and no help. But all she she does is apparently help apparent people.