Ross Rifle Model 1905 .35 WCF: Extremely Scarce!

[@asimseth1927]

Thank you everyone for the appreciation. Mikes channel is awesome

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

My privilege Asim - so good of you to contact me with your story of generations of your family and a rare rifle. Until next week - take care and good shooting!

[@trapdoorspringfieldmodel1888]

Thank you for sharing such an incredible rifle and its history.

[@SnoopReddogg]

I have Ross MKIII in 303 and a Ross M1910 in 280. Great Rifles. I passed up the opportunity to by a junked M1910 two years ago and in hindsight, should've brought it with the view to restoring and converting into 300 H&H

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I do the same thing : come across a rifle I should buy and then don't for some reason - and then it is gone. Life I guess.

[@westcoaster7.62]

Interesting rifle and great that it's in the care of someone who appreciates and enjoys it. Thank you and Asim for sharing!

[@DireWolf28]

As a Canadian, the Ross is a big part of our history. Beautiful gun and interesting history!

[@trapdoorspringfieldmodel1888]

Thank you for sharing the story and family history of Asim's rifle.

[@ghostuscoyote]

Showcasing interesting rifles that I have never heard of is what this channel does best! Thanks to you I always glance over the sporting rifles before I leave any used gun store when before I would have ignored them. Straight pull bolt designs are always fascinating to me, thanks for sharing.

[@Oneofthetwelve]

Hi Michael. That rifle is in such nice condition. Thank you for the video. I received my CG63 #’s matching. Clean-up is going well. I realized I’m simply a temporary custodian of a rifle made in 1908. To you and subscribers, have a blessed day.

[@rupertmcnaughtdavis3649]

Excellent article. I really enjoy firearms with a story.All the guns of my small collection have some anecdote or story connected to them and that's what makes them valuable to me.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Rupert, I'm always amazed and often touched by the stories people have to share with me about their guns. "This was my Grandpa's gun - it's the only thing of his that's left....this is my first rifle.....this is the rifle I got my first deer with....this is the gun I took apart (still in pieces : )).....this is the gun my Dad bought me.." and so on. I guess because they are so durable and valuable and work when almost all things their age don't...guns become a sort of personal history - a library of time and life and the things we've done and remember. One moment I'll never forget : " This was Napoleon's gun, well, one of them."

[@regsparkes6507]

Just a couple of days ago, my brother and I were chatting about the Lee Enfield and Ross rifles , so this video is timely , for me at least. I have never seen a Ross ,and it was good to see a little on the bolt etc. Asim is fortunate to have a Ross Rifle with that legacy around it.

[@asimseth1927]

Thanks Reg. from teenage I have been looking after this rifle under supervision of my late father

[@regsparkes6507]

@@asimseth1927 ...and your dear Father has taught you well,....it shows in the photographs that are shown here, the rifle looks well cared for. Well done!

[@williamstuart9812]

Interesting rifle. I've never been able to fool around with a Ross. Enjoy your videos.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks William!

[@HypocriticYT]

will always keep my Win Mod 1895 in 35 WCF. 250 gr Speer HotCor bullets are perfect for it. Box magazine allows spitzer shaped bullets.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Very fine and scarce rifle.

[@HypocriticYT]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns It shoots well too! When I first got the rifle many years ago I cleaned the bore until the cloth came out clean but the groups were about 5+ inches. A couple years later I researched cleaning techniques and powder composition. I decided that muriatic acid could clean what was baked onto the leading edge of the lands. The cloths came out black from the crud. I used a bronze brush and dipped it in the acid and scrubbed the bore. I taped off all areas where the acid might touch as it immediately removes blueing. I finally got a very clean bore which I have not cleaned that way since. This method used only when needed does a wonderful job and tightened up the groups to under 3 inches. There will be many who claim using acid is bad but it is effective used correctly. I've brought many an old rifle back to shooting decent groups and with very old arms it removes all the heavy rust and usually the pitting is much less than the rust suggests. It can turn a $50 gun into a $250 gun by restoring the bore. Lots of fresh air and correct rubber gloves is a must. Rinse thoroughly with water afterwards to flush out and neutralize the acid. It's the least expensive bore cleaner you will ever find that works better than anything else.

[@paulsimmons5726]

Wow, neat story. Coming across rare odd chamberings in old rifles is always a rewarding experience. 35WCF is not a popular current round, he must reload. Although he's got a rare piece of history there, life would be much easier if his grandfather would've brought back one in 303 British. Cool rifle and it looked like it was in great shape also. Thanks for sharing!

[@ratroddiesels1981]

i noticed behind your back a full stock mannllicher style rifle . i owned a cz mdl 452 22 mag bolt action with nikon glass on it i liked it a lot unfortunately it was stolen from me . thanks for your programmes.

[@kennethbailey2616]

Great video as usual!

[@johnkelinske1449]

Good video, most interesting. I am fortunate to have an excellent condition M-1910 .303 like the one you displayed, but the wood is lighter in color. When I saw it in a local gun shop I had to buy it, too pretty to put it down...

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Good call and good buy. These can only go up in ownership value and market value.

[@johnkelinske1449]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns My feelings as well. The sporting rifles are sure not common, this one has a near perfect bright shiny bore with sharp rifling. Metal is about 95% original finish and the wood is quite nice other than a few minor mars and dings.

[@jimb7710]

Great video, really enjoyed the ending.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks Jim!

[@chrischiampo7647]

Amazing Rifle Asim 😀😊😮😊😀😊👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@deej9367]

Another great video!

[@frankross5576]

I just found a .35 at leastthats what the guy told me it is. The barrel has no caliber markings on it that I have found other than Ross Quebec 1905 however the stock has engravings as well and it says 1907. I just did a quick glance at that the gun but hoping to pick it up tomorrow.

[@garaldtao1801]

Very nice Asim, I hope that you will continue to keep the tridition that your grandfather has started alive and one day pass the rifle down to your childern. The bolt for the Ross 1905 (aka) mark 2 can not be put in incorrectly, believe me, I've tried. It is only the 1910 (mk3) that has this design flaw. And Mike, seeing your Ross again, I now think that you have a R10 in your hand rather than a M10. Why am I thinking that you have an M10? Anyways Mike, have you heard of the Ross cadet straight pull training rifle in .22lr? There is a bunch here in Canada and the price range is all over the place from under $200 to over $1300 for one in very good condition.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Gerald - I'm sure you are correct - I sometimes mess up the numbers - sorry. I have to get the .22 Ross for a video - thanks for mentioning.

[@haff202]

Well done.

[@rodboy4461]

Hey Brother nice chanel i enjoy watching just wanna point one off beath thing how come you never mention magazine capacities on any of rifles? it would be nice if you give us those information thanks and looking forward for some new videos!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hey Rod - sometimes I have to give my head a shake! I'm sorry about that - will do - and thanks for letting me know. I simply forget. Have a great weekend.

[@rodboy4461]

O Thanks also if you could show that cool fireplace behind you i like the stone work on it (:

[@RickNethery]

Excellent Video My Friend, I hope You enjoy Your trip to Pakistan, I will pray that You have safe travels.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Rick - thank you and I'll be careful and I have faith. All the best to you.

[@RickNethery]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Hello My Friend, You are welcome. Best wishes.

[@stacybrown3714]

Wow I didn't know the Ross was offered in other calibers. I have a box of vintage 35 Win. but no rifle for it. I guess I will have to watch for one amongst the piles of hens teeth at the gun shows I go to. Thanks again for the info.

[@asimseth1927]

Stacy Brown I wish you were in Pakistan as I would have requested you to give the .35 WCF cartridges to me. I can find .35WCF here in Pakistan, so left with the last dozen or so rounds

[@corytebay3742]

@@asimseth1927 My favourite cartridge on this planet is 35 WCF. I know that you can "make" it from many other more common cartridges - 405 WCF, 303 British, 30-40 krag, 9.3x74r...the list goes on. I have searched for a Ross in that chambering since I heard that it was made! Congratulations on keeping your family's heritage in your keep!

[@asimseth1927]

@@corytebay3742 thanks for your comments. i didnt know .35 WCF can be hand loaded from 303 brass. Given we were a British colony i am pretty confident i can find 303 rounds and use the brass. I am sure we wont find 30-40 krag, .405 WCF or 9.2x71r in Pakistan. Please do share details of handloading .35 WCF from 303 brass. I will try to findout if their are any handloaders in Pakistan

[@corytebay3742]

@@asimseth1927 first off, these cases will be somewhat short, but enough to provide purchase for a bullet. Start with 303 British brass. Anneal them first!! Use the cream of wheat fire forming method first. Using Imperial sizing wax, begin forcing them into a 0.358 die. You can start with a neck sizing die to make it easier, but a standard Redding 35 WCF full length sizing die works well. Don't try to force it!! Patience and using small movements in sizing results in cases approximately 15/1000's short. "Cartridges of the World - 14th edition" has load data. This cartridge in the 1895 Winchester lever action has taken every species of game on the earth. I have photos of one of mine beside rhino, elephant, hippo, and lion on a 1904 safari, and tiger, Indian elephant, and sambar on a 1910 expedition (different rifles). I have used mine on everything from ground squirrels to elk and bison to devestating effect. Truly a cartridge of merit that deserves to not be forgotten. I have ample supply of brass, but frequently experiment with the aforementioned cases in the event that I run out. I have around 40 cases made from 303 Brit that I use with 357 bullets for plinking and small game. You are holding quite a treasure my friend! I am envious!! And I would be honoured to contribute properly headstamped cases to your cause if I knew how to get them to you!

[@HypocriticYT]

@@corytebay3742 you can get new brass from bertram Brass in Australia. Contact him directly since I find his price about half of that from importers. Speer 250 gr HotCor works perfect with IMR 3031 at 2300 fps

[@rrich52806]

I a sporterized 1007 chambered in 35-40. Never had shot one. Did not cost me over $300

[@markbilyeu6326]

It’s funny. The way you talk I would have thought you were Canadian🤣

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Oh yes. British Columbia 👍

[@ronlafitte6864]

Mike, I don’t know anything about the 35 Winchester cartridge. How does it compare with the 35 Remington?

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Ron - Plenty more sauce in the 35 Winchester - about like a 358. I had one in a falling block - ammo for the 35 is not easy to find though.

[@kennethbailey2616]

I have been to Pakistan and it is an interesting country.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hope to do some hunting there - all depends on my friend Asim

[@kennethbailey2616]

My middle son and his wife are in Yakatak, Alaska for halibut. They go most every year and then in September he’s going up for some moose hunting. My dad inherited some land near Homer, wish he’d have kept it, it’s a great place for fishing and hunting. I’d love to hunt in mountains of Pakistan. I would think Nepal would be good too and probably safer. I had lots of Gurkha friends when I was a contractor in Iraq, wonderful people and superb soldiers.

[@theduke1833]

I was wondering could i shoot just regular factory .303 British ammo in a barrel that is labeled cordite ,anyone else feel free to chym in but this one is for you usog ?????????

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hello The Duke - I've been doing that for years - cordite is just the powder type of old (sometimes in strings rather than grains) - anyway - the pressures are about the same - maybe even lower with some modern loads. I checked again with my collector friend and he verified - you can safely use modern ammo.

[@theduke1833]

Thank you ,this was very helpful information thanks once again.

[@michaelbarret1147]

Family thats what guns are all about! To bad the left in our country dont get that. Thank you for your great content!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Michael - Although I am not a sad person, it saddens me every day to think that after all the effort - the losses, sacrifices and suffering that it took to reach the greatest freedom in one place, at one time - in history - people seem to be willing to let it slip through their fingers - or worse - toss it away.

[@trapdoorspringfieldmodel1888]

There are people on the left who do and people on the right who don't. There are people on the right who like to ban guns such as Donald Trump and Mitt Romney and those who don't. There are people on the left who support those things and those that don't. So I would avoid the absolutism of "to bad the left," and recognize that what you are seeing on guns reflects more of an urban versus rural divide than anything else. It is just that for people who live in cities their only experience with firearms might just be a weekly shooting and that is probably not going to make them supportive of firearms. For people who grew up in a rural area chances are they were taught how to use a firearm from an early age by dad, granddad, etc. and have likely had a more positive experience with guns. Another problem is that many gun ranges in urban areas are being turned into subdivisions because the land is just too valuable to leave it as a gun range. So a problem is that people who might want to get into guns don't because they have no place to shoot. And I haven't even mentioned how it can become such a project just to get to a gun range that it saps the fun out of shooting. So a person in such an area might just look at firearm restrictions as something that isn't an issue for them as they won't be impacted.

[@michaelbarret1147]

One day city folk will wish they had guns and the skill to use them. When the dope dealing rapers they worship turn on them. @@trapdoorspringfieldmodel1888

[@trapdoorspringfieldmodel1888]

@@michaelbarret1147 If there isn't a place to shoot because it has been turned into a subdivision how do you expect city folk to gain the "skill to use them?" You also go on to say that they "worship" people you describe as "dope dealing rapers." That is such an inviting way to get people who may be on the fence of entering the firearms world except that it isn't. Those words are an excellent way of pushing people away from wanting to become gun owners. Remember that people tend to not enter hobbies when they are welcomed as trash.

[@wizardofahhhs759]

Is this one of those dangerous game rifles for hunting lions or rhinos or whatever? It kind of looks like one but a .35 cal. would be similar to a .38 cal. wouldn't it?

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You're right - not quite elephant medicine but a powerful round nonetheless - take .358 bullets just as you say.

[@wizardofahhhs759]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns You showcase a lot of firearms that I've never seen or heard of and probably never would if it wasn't for your videos, Thank You.

[@corytebay3742]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I really appreciate and enjoy your contributions to this subject material!! I have made quite an obsessive hobby out of the 35 WCF cartridge and the rifles chambered for it. I have several photos from a turn of the century safari which listed an 1895 in 35 Winchester as their "Dangerous Game Rifle" on both an Indian and African hunt. They both clearly show the rifles with elephant, rhino, etc. Thank you so much for these videos!!

[@fredhighfield5287]

I have a Ross training rifle in 22 cal

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Not easy to find - as you know.

[@MrPh30]

H&H was Winchester importer into UK then, Nansen got his Winchester ammo from them .