Hot air station shootout: Atten ST-862D vs. Quick 861DW

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[@allan5050]

Hey Louis I'm just a guy from the uk . Don't do anything like your job just enjoy the knowledge I learn hope your doing well and your staff that's all . Keep it up .

[@rossmanngroup]

Thank you :)

[@musgrovebarry]

Also from UK I'll second that

[@AustinPollock_6]

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[@davidr8424]

Also UK, thank you Louis. Stay safe eveyone.

[@AustinPollock_6]

Also from Australia. Same. Good job mate!!

[@almadixon-cider31]

0:00 - 0:06 Cheat Codes!

[@sirmrpresident]

You are only viable for warranty when you enter those codes.

[@SuperAWaC]

It is so sad, Hakko was great until they hired some famous designer jerkoff to redo all their products look and feel and trashed absolutely EVERYTHING. Then When everyone complained, instead of taking the feedback, corporate doubled down on their retardation, and their marketshare has been slipping ever since. I don't know anyone who buys Hakko products anymore, when they used to be the industry standard. The FX-888 was one of the best soldering stations ever made, and it did everything it needed to do: had a knob to change the temperature and a light to tell you when it was on.

[@rossmanngroup]

Yeah. When I got that email in 2017 from the marketing wank saying I was doing a disservice to my audience by not showing them the FR-810 I knew it was over. That was a relationship I had to start mourning, a company that would say something that ballsy about a piece of equipment that bad was a company that lost any hope of producing good products again.

[@SuperAWaC]

@@rossmanngroup Marketing wankery is like rust on a car. If you don't stay on top of it, the next thing you know it's completely taken over and the bottom has dropped out, and the only way to fix it is with a major overhaul or trashing it and starting over.

[@coldfinger459sub0]

SuperAWaC Hakko who ???. I think I remember that name long ago ancient history used to make a good product but aren’t they out of business now haven’t seen one I bought one in years. They became like Kodak film and Polaroid LOL 😂

[@suisse0a0]

Thanks, I'm not crazy, I read a lot of peoples saying they prefer the FX-888D over the FX-888 and I thought the FX-888 was better (in usability). Anyway, this comment was about (I don't remember if this is Louis or Dave John, but I think this is Dave) the fact the FX-888 was an old technology soldier iron (my memory suck but TLDR it was about the heating element core) and there are (for about the same price) better than the FX-888. As a noob in electronic, I'm still wayyyyyyyy happy to have the FX-888 VS the cheap one-temperature soldering iron. (it heat really fast as well!)

[@Quantris]

Why does this happen to everything? Reminds me of how Craftsman went to total shit. If, as a hobbyist, you can get an old Hakko soldering station then you're golden

[@Veeshra]

Not in the market for a station this powerful myself but these kinds of real world comparisons are extremely valuable, especially when it comes to less known or previously less appreciated brands that could be seen as a risk. I honestly love seeing videos like this and appreciate the hell out of people who take time out of their day to make them so that others can benefit from their experience. Good on you Louis, you lot stay safe and healthy!

[@tranquilthecat3417]

I love the quick, but I'm impressed with the performance of the Atten. I suppose the next thing to look at is longevity for regular use. As long as the Atten does not eat up heating elements or break down then it's solid in my opinion.

[@m_s7155]

Im really glad you still do these types of vids dude, even though the other types get literally 4 times the views (which are highly necessary imo) Im glad you still do these

[@TheEnglishRedneck45]

I imported four pairs of the very fine Hakko tweezers many years ago after your video on tooling back then. They are still superb. Bought four to have backups...still on the first pair! Thank you for recommending them all those years ago.

[@animefreak5757]

I seem to remember you not liking the oddly shaped top on the quick either, the atten has a top that's perfect for stacking other shit on.

[@southerncharity7928]

They might do it intentionally to stop shit getting stacked on top. Less chance of cocked up airflow, and heavy and hot other things further cocking things up lol

[@Kameron-The-Crafter]

@@southerncharity7928 that might be true.

[@andrew_koala2974]

The correct word is ' items ' not ' shit ' educate yourself to a higher degree Perhaps you enjoy belonging in the Social trash group

[@ovalteen4404]

You should also do a teardown of the Atten. Or convince Dave to do one. Hopefully they at least trim the pins.

[@WaffleLord109]

I think I'm gonna have to invest in one of these once I get into heavier soldering jobs. Always learning something from your content. Keep it up man!

[@ian1352]

Will definitely look at this one day if I find myself needing to upgrade. For now the basic Quick 857DW+ is working nicely. No settings storage, just two knobs, and changing nozzles requires a screwdriver, but it gets hot pretty quickly, cools down when the handle is put into its holder and does the job. Plus it was less than half the price of the 861DW.

[@bret3925]

This is so out of my wheel house, but I really appreciate the content and style of presentation here. I'm a social worker, but i'd like to learn more about this field - you've got me intrigued.

[@gphonemedic]

You must start with me, for the basic b4 go to louise

[@FrigoGaming]

Man you are a saviour, I was looking for a decent and affordable hot air station for a while and after seeing this review I'm most likely going with the Atten. Would you consider doing a long term review with the Atten as your main station since you already used the quick for quite a while and proved it's longevity. Thanks again.

[@robertcalkjr.8325]

Thanks, Louis. I like the functionality of the Atten. I guess what matters now is how dependable it is.

[@DCW09]

I picked up the Quick on your recommendation - I don't feel bad about it, just happy to see that the market is shifting into more affordable alternatives. As many of the others have mentioned, longevity is key here and time will tell if the 50-100 dollars is the difference between a 3 year, or a 10 year product.

[@Quantris]

I really appreciate how obviously unbiased the comparison was. Absolutely clear that this really was your first time trying the Atten out and that you had no idea going in what the result would be.

[@andrew_koala2974]

the comparison IS not the comparison was. NOTE THAT THE COMPARISON CONTINUES TO EXIST TO THIS PRESENT DAY Learn correct grammatical legal English Most of the people writing here are under educated and do not know nor understand what correct grammatical legal English is. Nor do they know how many types of English there are. Note also that ' many ' does not define a number

[@Quantris]

​@@andrew_koala2974bold of you to complain about my English when you can't even use punctuation properly. Also, my appreciation took place at a specific point in time in the past: it is perfectly "legal" for me to use past tense in this scenario. I never used the word "many" in my comment so not sure what you're on about there. Perhaps you need to take more medication.

[@OfficialNakatsuMegami]

Great Video! It's great to see you have been able to establish a relationship with a new hot air station. I hope they would allow you be an authorized vendor of them instead of just a reseller.

[@derp292]

I bought the atten a year and a half ago from Louis. It works great. The heating element went out last month and I emailed his support, and they sent me a replacement element within the week! Great service, would recommend. Much better than the cheap $100 Amazon stations.

[@stanmoonie1530]

I had smartened up and looked for recommendations for a good hot air stations. I found your shootout for these two air stations. I watch this 2 or 3 times and in the beginning of July 2020 ordered a Atten from your company as I did not want to get stuck with a knockoff. I recieved it at the end of July and started to play with the Atten and I just totally love this product. I don't know how to thank you for your video. I would tell anyone that asked buy the Atten the price is good and the product works the way it should! thank you again! *** Make sure you buy the bent nozzles!! You will not find them anywhere! ****

[@crabxcorelol69]

Whew, just picked up a quick from tequipment 3 days ago. Glad this didn't say one was far and above the other. Always good to have competition though! Thanks for the review.

[@rnarine89]

Hey Louis, I was a customer a couple years ago, just wanted to thank you man. I have a Macbook Pro Retina early 2015 edition. I was wondering whats the cost to upgrade the RAM on it from 8GB to 16GB?

[@weignerg]

Thank you for the advice at the end of the video Louis.

[@Alex811WasTaken]

I love my at-sa-50 :) it's my favorite soldering iron so far (I don't have enough money for a station and I just solder as a hobby), nice to see that they're vfm with other models too.

[@emailfilters]

19:35 - "Cool little feature!" Good one, Rossmann. Ha!

[@ke4qpf]

Enjoyed this very much. Please keep these up. I've had mixed reviews on Weller. High prices, low expectations. Haven't tried Quick or Atten, yet. This helps.

[@tikifire86]

Did you try unplugging it then charging the customer $800? Usually works for Apple

[@NeoMorphUK]

Ordered my first ever hot air station from Amazon which was a Yihua... which self destructed the first time I turned the hot air on (went bright orange it got soo hot before tripping the breakers). That got sent back. Then got an Atten and that was weaker than a limp noodle. That went back too. Then I got my Quick 861DW. Still using it to this day. Lovely bit of kit. I really should get a bunch of spares in while they are still available.

[@patchcomputers]

Hey Louis! Greetings from the UK. Thank you for your take on both stations. I've just ordered the Quick. It'll be here Friday from Amazon so looking forward to using it. Happy New year to you my friend. Hopefully 2021 is better than 2020. Stay safe and well...

[@2.Panzerdivision]

I'm one of those weirdos who really appreciate your educational videos. Very insightful. Thank you.

[@aldavidson3793]

Hi Louis, Great review and straight to the point, Ive always steared away from Atten but that station looks pretty cool. One thing though I use the Quick 861DW, Ive had it for a couple of years now and always seemed to do the job but recently i noticed things were taking a little too long to remove from boards, so i read the destructables and found i could calibrate the quick. after testing the temp with a heat probe at 300 (low) it only gave out 267 degrees C and High 500 Degrees it gave out 468 degrees. so after calibration (in the manual :-) it now gives out the correct temps again.. is yours calibrated correctly?.... just a thought. keep up the great work and STAY SAFE

[@vivianwu1773]

thanks for your support quick ,

[@andrew_koala2974]

REWRITTEN: FORMATTED CORRECTED TEXT I found that I could calibrate the QUICK. After testing the temp with a heat probe at 300 (low) it only produced 267 degrees C and High 500 Degrees it produced 468 Degrees. So after calibration ( described in the manual ) it now produces the correct temperature again.

[@TitanIsBack]

Life lesson: when your girl asks for a cookie, give her that cookie.

[@DonkeyHotie]

Excellent comparison. Long term subscriber here. Stumbled into your videos years ago out of curiosity more than anything. Stayed for the small business and right to repair content (and cats). Now I'm entertaining making the jump from through hole circuit boards (all I've ever known) to repairing surface mount stuff. I have a single IC to replace and I'm either buying a station from you or driving the board from California to Austin and paying you guys to do it. 😀

[@adrock0801]

Hi Louis, I am a Hot Air newbie owning a Quick 861dw now. Although my first experience went quite well with soldering some smt parts using 300C and airflow set to 20, I would like to know if you have some basic recommendations for temp/airflow settings for the Quick covering different scenarios, eg. soldering (paste with lead), de-soldering etc. In general, would you prefer to use higher temperature and try to (de-)solder as quick as possible, or take some more seconds with less temp?

[@madams7861]

Hey Louis.thanks for the review. had just been setting up to purchase that same hot air. what are your thoughts on the Atten ST-965 soldering iron

[@sayanee]

Just got the ATTEN model delivered and I already tested it with an SMD component. Thanks for your recommendation on the bent nozzle as well. It's pretty good for the price!

[@andrew_koala2974]

T least you have been paying ATTENtion to detail and can write ATTEN correctly - Whereas the uneducated ZOMBIE people write Atten - which is incorrect, All CORPORATE legal names are always in the ALL CAPS iteration The ZOMBIES have eyes but they cannot see - ears and cannot hear

[@SpaceyZee]

Keep it up, Louis. Stay safe during these horrible times.

[@g3force782]

As a new user of the Atten ST-862D I can use it right out of the box (it wasn't locked like yours). Very impressive hot air station (I am new to hot air soldering) and it is so quiet.

[@louismouton8094]

Have you noticed there are 2 straight nozzles and 2 spiraled nozzles in the box? "The hot air rework station with 4Pcs nozzles which are straight air and spiral air optional. Protect the IC chip. 5mm 8mm straight air nozzles. 8mm 10mm spiral air nozzles." Would be interested if you can compare the straight 8mm and the spiraled 8mm and see if there is any difference.

[@yummdiddy]

i appreciate the life lessons that you squeeze into these videos. you are a great dude

[@gambini1598]

What I am doing with my life? I just watched 40 minutes comparison of product which I will never use in my life :-D Well played Louis. Stay safe

[@evaristtandika9101]

you never know can happen one day ,all technician start with cheaper tool now day use the costly tools

[@writebrains]

The Atten is a great unit. Bought one from Rossmann Group. Please keep in mind if you hold the button, it turns off the heating element. You'll still be able to raise and lower the temp and speed, but no heat will come out. IT IS NOT BROKEN!!! I thought my heating element had failed, but it's just that button on the handpiece. Press and hold to switch between HOT and COLD.

[@MrSeeuu]

I was looking for a hot air station. I left with life long words of wisdom. I am now a subscriber. Word

[@mathewculver3948]

HI Louis, I have seen some sellers selling this BST-863 - it is rated at 1200w and comes in a bit cheaper than the Atten and apparently has a reasonable build quality as well compared to these. It might be worth you also checking that one out

[@Thunderbird6]

Hi Louis, I don't do any board work but really enjoy watching you do them. Love you honestly with your opinions. Stay Safe my Friend.

[@michaelbraaten]

I know this is an old video, but I just bought an Atten. It was not locked out of the box for me, and I was able to purchase it with 7 nozzles including 3 bent nozzles, and an adaptor for 850 style nozzles. All for around $193 shipped from HK.

[@carlosramirezfabian1256]

Hey quick question Can I use a 1TB DVR external hard drive as a external back up hard drive for audio files for a MacBook pro later 2011 15"?

[@GeekGarageDK]

@Louis Rossmann, you should have a look at the Kaisi 901DW It seems like what you are looking for in a hot air station, it has physical rotating knobs for temp and airflow and is 1000watt Quick and Atten lookalike and seems to use Quick style tips and have 4 memory banks

[@MichaelS-vy1ku]

looks like the rubber tubing are different materials, I wonder if it's made of cheap stuff that will crumble in a year. Also wonder if the materials are cheaper, like it has worse heat management or the internals are cheaper.

[@TheCod3r]

Hey Louis, thank you for the honest review. I've been searching for a new station for a while and I know I can trust your review. I was going to get a Quick but I think I'll save a few pounds and get myself an Atten ;) keep up the great work! #StaySafe

[@rajeshkumarbehera9275]

How is the performance till now? I am about to buy.

[@martins.-pach3979]

It was good?

[@iainportalupi]

This is why I build my own soldering and desoldering equipment. The interface is exactly what I want and if I have a complaint to tell the manufacturer I just argue with myself for a couple minutes.

[@illustriouschin]

That's cool, do you have links for info on your projects?

[@iainportalupi]

Gordon Chin yes, I have a video on my digital soldering station, kzbin.info/www/bejne/epOqm36KhbuNhs0 and I’m filming the video on my newly completed desoldering station this weekend.

[@jacobshobe771]

michel777ification I mean he didn’t self advertise until someone asked

[@illustriouschin]

@michel777ification You can build shit and get a million subscribers as well if you work hard at it and make something that people want to see.

[@MrTarmonbarry]

@@jacobshobe771 Wrong . He did self advertise when he said he built his own station, its about the same as click bait , just looking for someone to ask questions , then he adds a link to his youtube video

[@PhrontDoor]

I was stunned to hear that they didn't have bent-nozzles already. That's mind-boggling. I'd have thought any hot-air station would offer that. Still like em. Thanks for the review.

[@Nebbia_affaraccimiei]

looks like they have them its on the website already..

[@RedHeadForester]

Would be interested to know as a casual observer what your thoughts are on the Yihua 852D as a very cheap option? This is a fantastic review video!

[@HBees79]

this episode reminds of one of the episodes of "Junk Wars" on Discovery :)

[@Fezz21]

lovely little business advice that can transfer over to everything in life, awesome!

[@jaystallwood]

hi Louis happy new year, your videos are great and are really helping me. I have just bought the atten based on your review. What's a rough temp i can use to reflow chips? thanks

[@evanhanrahan671]

Hey man what do you think of soldering tweezers or even the micro versions of them do you reckon it would be still necessary if you had a hot air rework station ?

[@H-77]

You looked at Metcal yet? They use an RF heating curie point tip that is absolutely amazing. They also have the heated tweezers.

[@HeribertoNieves]

hey louis, thanks again for keeping us up to date, just a quick question. are you going to stop selling parts for the quick? just wondering to know if i will be better off buying a few replacement before you stop selling those

[@AzarelHoward]

Glad I'm not the only one humming Christmas songs way out of season... 😹

[@TheHouseOfMoth]

Delivered by next week, looking forward to it! :)

[@ryans450]

Thoughts on the lock feature. It seems to me that the lock feature functions perfectly. It’s designed to prevent kids from turning it on, mashing all the buttons and burning themselves. If I were in the market for such a feature I would want to know that unlocking it isn’t intuitive.

[@AR-ev9st]

Just got an St-862d and wanted to point out that straight out of the box it did not have lock engaged. Appears that it can be activated if you want it, but is off by default on mine at least.

[@nancyparker3732]

I have no experience or background in this area, yet I am finding that learning new things which I might never apply is satisfying. Walking in a winter wonder land?

[@chiyerano]

One of my favorite songs at Christmas.

[@David-jw4mz]

Bent nozzles (7,9,13 mm) for the Atten ST-862D are already available

[@Spector_NS5_RD]

This Atten looks good to me. Would love to see the internals. What about 120v or 240v version? I remember you had a problem with the 120v Quick at your old store. Lights flickering...

[@CrimFerret]

You may need to measure the outer diameter to find specific ones, but the nice thing is you can use the universal nozzles that have an adjustable clamp to fit a range. I'd guess once you got them sized, a bit of high temp thread lock would keep them from changing adjustment. The sets of those are suitable cheap off the same sites that sell the 862D.It looked like there were some sort of indents on the outer diameter of the 862, I wonder if they did that specifically to avoid some sort of patent Quick might have. It might be possible to undo that and then use the Quick nozzles. Considering the under $200 price of the Atten. 5 minutes with a Dremel or drill to be able to use the easily available Quick nozzles would be totally worth the savings. It's not like you're ever going to service the thing anyway.

[@AcidzDesigns]

Business to customer relations are so important in todays world. Just an example. I contacted a vape shop that I never bought from before to inquire about spare parts, their customer service rep asked to see if they have it, they didn't but had the bit laying around that I need from doing repairs in their shop, They next day posted that bit to me free of charge. and to this day is the only shop I buy vape stuff from. With that relation between you and Quick the Atten is now In my amazon basket. Thanks Louis

[@bakakafka4428]

@Louis Rossmann Did you ever create the teardown video? Curious if this is a safe device and has good quality components?

[@djwilliams4714]

Thanks for the review! I will buy an Atten. Question though, the items that take "longer" to remove, do you ever use a board pre heater?? I work on mainboards for televisions, and pre heating the board typically makes the amount of "top" heat required less, and the IC removal quicker. Especially with BGA's. I was mainly curious if you ever pre heat your MacBook boards?

[@ImRessko]

Where can you buy heating elements? I cant find them, not even on Attens website. Would we have to buy the quick replacement?

[@CDC444RC]

What's this station like for micro soldering (0201 components)? How's the low end airflow control? Thanks

[@KB1UIF]

After watching a video on Atten's site, that Hot Air Station can be set to "auto on" at pickup also, maybe a safety feature not to auto on when shipped? I guess the manual would say that but who reads manuals....lol

[@HETPEZB]

How many nozzles were coming with Quick? I bought mine few years ago, and not seems can't find any other nozzles. Either I lost them or Quick was coming just with 1 standard nozzle.

[@emailfilters]

28:26 - Wonderland?! Louis, its April!

[@enhzflep]

It's the most recognisable piece of music from the movie Home Alone.. ;)

[@LaloHao]

For the first video i saw, i was just looking for some electronics stuff, but definitely the philosophy was the thing that made me stay Thanks for sharing

[@xeveniahdarkwind178]

The Atten is my Christmas Toy for 2020.... alongside some tool selections and AmTech items from your online store...

[@joelhardeman9156]

Hi Louis Please test the Atten ST-862D temperature accuracy/stability compared to the Quick and see if the temperature can be calibrated (like the Quick can be). Also if you feel like it, take the case off of both and compare. Thanks Louis.

[@HawkFest]

As of today, yes Atten has bent nozzles. At AliExpress, they call it _"ATTEN ST-862D 45 Degree Bent Curved Nozzle"._ The angle is 45deg. and you can select from three different diameters, the same you mentioned they've made for you: 6.4mm, 8.7mm and 12.7mm. It costs 8 dollars USD. Btw, the business dynamic you depict at the end is so true! It's like a couple: the moment one loses respect for the other, taking him/her for granted, the relation goes down the drain and eventually to a divorce.

[@meph137]

I have finally heard another person who randomly hums christmas songs when it is not christmas

[@iTCXtreme]

For me OKI METCAL HCT-900-21 230v EU Version (HCT-900-11 115v) is what I use with analogue control and parts are still available considering the unit is old. Heat is very constant and the handle by far the smallest and ergonomic. However only downside Metcal is you have to manually turn down temp when resting on stand. 😊👍

[@edwardreid4524]

You can buy from a rainforest website 7, 9 or 13mm 45deg nozzles for the atten.

[@jamie81972]

Had to borrow a HaKo from adjacent dept at uni. took an 1.5 hours to read and understand the manual to get it set up, at which point i needed to shut it all down to cool off before I went home.

[@chiyerano]

Be consistent and don't take things or others for granted or be ready to lose them. Got it. Thanks for the comparison review. Are you by any chance getting that X-Ray tool you told us about last year? That would definitely be nice to see being used in action.

[@rossmanngroup]

Given that the one thing I treated the company to in 8 years is moving to a slightly nicer store and I managed to time this expensive move right as a global pandemic was spreading that caused the greatest economic destruction in history, I am postponing any pipe dreams of owning a $150,000 x-ray machine.

[@Umski]

I don't think I will ever need anything quite like this for the odd jobs I do but it's tempting nonetheless - thanks for the review. They are on sale in the Netherlands via Atten with shipment to the UK for around 215 Euros - early Christmas present to myself maybe ;) :D

[@Dreddy72]

so, would you say that the atten comes preinstalled with "Rapid Cool Technology: LITE"?

[@danieldimitri6133]

Louis have you considered the best 863? Looks like a quick but with a touch screen (ewww). But has a stand like the quick (best 861 doesn't, just has a little holder on the side) and is supposed to be 1300w and I think the temperature is a bit higher as well.

[@quartzofcourse]

The review was great, but the life advice in the last five minutes is the best part

[@bugy207]

Quick is a kick ass, I’ve been using it for a few years and very happy with it

[@joefowble]

Does cutting a slit in side of hakko bent nozzle with Dremel wheel make existing bent nozzle fit or do they start sliding off during use or something?

[@Barbaratio]

Not teardown videos out there still, I'm interested as to what the internals look like, probably just the same as the quick

[@belkins1]

i made my own bent nozzles for my quick 861dw in my bench vise cause they where sold out of the ones already bent.

[@MrMHORSEY]

Louis you could just make a sleeve for the 862 nozzles to be interchangeable

[@StuffIHave]

I just ordered mine. Excited af.

[@thebaka234]

love from Tunisia , stay safe and healthy louis there are few people like you .

[@DanielsGameVault]

Take it apart ! Show us a peek inside ! Would like to see how it's put together. Cheers.

[@ng-iq4kx]

You can see the inside on the Atten website but still gonna need louis's input. If he's calm must be alright but if he turns into a rabid dog you've been warned.

[@faustsmith]

Can a temperature/ air flow be selected and set with the handle set in the stand? Not a preset using one of channel buttons. Is there an ac filter installed in the station to prevent the effects of the switching

[@Enonymouse_]

My cars electronics have been breaking steadily as the damn thing gets older, I ripped mine apart recently to find out what one of those issues was. It was a circuit board that I guess Ford doesn't manufacture anymore so I had to repair it instead. Brought out the hakko 951 and resoldered all the joints, it works again! The Atten or Quick is next on my buy list.

[@tristanholley7141]

Making this comment as a paceholder. When I get home I'm gonna see what model I have. I bought some cheap $68 hot air station that had an attached soldering iron. This thing has worked AMAZINGLY I bought it a Fry's of all places. Actual knobs for air and temp, as well as on the iron. Each has its own display for temp. It stays where I set it every time. That thing has been transported to jobs. slammed around in my trunk for months. I've been using it for years. Will update later.

[@GrifFungin]

Louis wearing his mask while doing a video in supper of Jessa... RESPECT!

[@3v1Bunny]

Hey Louis! I was wondering. Does the lock stay off if you power cycle the Atten? Or do you have to unlock it each time?

[@radius.indrawan]

it stays off after power-cycle.