Round 6 - Denver - NCHSA 2019

[@yleld8253]

wow! this bike is so fun, I have a 2014 250xc and yeah these bikes lug great but i usually stay in 2nd and just wind out 2nd in the top end. that’s what i love most about this bike! amazing power on both top and bottom end! but our bikes could be geared differently, my 2nd gear feels pretty long to me

[@SkinnySkinch]

it sure was fun!!! I couldn't get used to the second/third gear thing honestly, but in my race this past weekend it felt much much better. guess its just took some seat time to figure it out. I usually barley ever have to shift on my 300. lotttt more shifting on the 250. but that also adds to the fun I guess. I could be talking out my ass but I feel like my second gear on my XCW is longer but I beleive the gear ratio says otherwise....

[@yleld8253]

SkinnySkinch yeah most definitely. i see what you’re saying about a 300 having more power in 2nd but trust me, this bike will go 2x as fast in 2nd gear. it’s tall, long and strong. i love it

[@jamesg7745]

You usually get great starts BTW!

[@SkinnySkinch]

Yes I have really gotten the starts down pretty good. Took me a full season but I figured it out. 2nd gear clutch pulled in and let'r rip! 2 strokes start so much faster than 4 strokes.

[@2wheelsandatent]

Oh hell yeah, I love it when i get to wake up monday to a new Skinny Race! May be Monday night before i get to finish it as my buddy is taking me to a trail tomorrow called "THE PUNISHER" we shall see how that goes lol.

[@SkinnySkinch]

Dirt Nap Dirt Bike adventures oh god the Punisher hahaha sounds brutal be safe hope you enjoy it!

[@2wheelsandatent]

@@SkinnySkinch Thanks man! I think it is similar to one of your videos ... the one where you puke but we shall see .

[@P4ddyC4ke]

Woah! You were flying that last lap!! Great race. Seems that the 250 XC is really twitchy.

[@SkinnySkinch]

yeah this course was WAYYYYYY rougher than the video made it seem. I am always sore for 1 MAYBE 2 days after a race, I was still sore in my groin area and lower back the morning of the next race 7 days later after this Denver race. just incredible..... its actually very stable at speed moreso Than my 300XCW. fun race but it beat my body up so bad.

[@lwil6393]

Well done, too bad no new tires with some good conditions and berms to work off of. I finally cured the blistered hands by wearing two pair of gloves, a thin inner liner and regular mx glove for outer layer. It is bulky to get used to but stick with it, no more hamburger hands.

[@SkinnySkinch]

Thank you. Took me a while to get used to the bike. Also my body wasnt used to such a harsh course/bike. So that took a lot out of me. Lot of factors here. Funny thing is I was basically all but given up by lap 4 just was content with 3rd place and in cruise control just hanging on but when lap 5 came I got a bit of an adrenaline rush and pushed pretty hard. bike didnt beat me up NEARLY as much going much faster so im guessing thats kinda the point of these XC bikes the faster you go the happier they are. lap 4 was 20:41 lap 5 was 18:41. 2 minute faster lap and also my fastest lap of the day. I am thinking with some more conditioning and getting more seat time on the XC platform I can really pick up the pace in these more open faster tracks. the 300 will be more suited to my style than the 250. 300 will be in by July 1st.

[@lwil6393]

I note that my Husky 350FE out of the box is the same way, the more you stand up and the faster you go the smoother it is. For my trail riding it is very harsh, like a stallion it does not want to go slow and is high strung and just wants to go fast. I po poed the glove idea but finally gave up, it works. Remember the concentration lever.

[@anniebean2953]

Thanks for checking on me I was trying to tell you I was good haha!

[@SkinnySkinch]

haha no worries! I honestly couldn't hear at all during the race I was like is she screaming at me or just saying shes good ahahaha. But then listening to the audio on video it's clear you just said IM GOOD GO AHEAD or something like that. great race you killed it out there!

[@SkinnySkinch]

btw I am pretty sure we are FB friends my name is Scott Coleman I saw your post on FB yesterday and commented on it.

[@anniebean2953]

SkinnySkinch oh yeah we are! And thanks it was my best finish yet!

[@SkinnySkinch]

Annie Bean hell yeah!!! Keep improving. How long have you been racing? Do you race any other series?

[@anniebean2953]

SkinnySkinch this is my second season and I race GNCC and some local Mideast races

[@zabrow187]

Wow, conditions were pretty good considering we haven’t had any rain in like a month. Gotta do the AM race at NC, the track is always beat up in thr afternoon.

[@SkinnySkinch]

yeah they really were. little slick in a few spots but from what I hear this place Is usually a sloppy mess. track was rough man and that new bike I rode really beat me up. more me than anything else. I will be running B next year in all series so excited for that.

[@jamesg7745]

You were saying the 2 gear too short and 3rd too tall, I can't imagine it would be a different transmission from your 300 XCW TPI, probably same. KTM smart mfg co, can't have too many variations on that kind of thing. Did you check to see if it has the same sprocket sizes? If you had the time to set up the 250XC sag, clickers, etc, - please comment about what you thought about the linkage rear suspension vs PDS?

[@SkinnySkinch]

Jim G the xcw actually has very different transmission ratio. 1/2/3 gears are all different. The SX bikes have a “close ratio” XC bikes have a “semi close” and xcw has wide ratio trans. The sprockets were same on both bikes 13/50. I think I was more speaking of lack of low end grunt though. If the 250 had the low end grunt of the 300 it could pull 3rd no problem at lower speeds. As far as the linkage, I loved it on the fast stuff bike felt much more stable. However, this trail was made for that XC bike. It’s a fast and rough trail. The xcw shines in slower more technical terrain. They’re both really completely different machines. I will likely keep my xcw and XC300 as I can use them each for specific trails they’re made for. (I have a 300XC on order)

[@tomthebattleaxe]

The XC bikes have a taller 1st and extremely close 2nd to the XCW. 3-6 are all the same on both bikes. The difference is a 250 revs and a 300 grunts. Its all in riding style mainly

[@SkinnySkinch]

@@tomthebattleaxe yeah you are right i looked at the actual gear ratios the other day. that 3rd "feels" longer on the xcw i guess bc i was riding the 300 variant. it just pulled the gear so much more.

[@tomthebattleaxe]

SkinnySkinch No matter how you look at gear ratios, there will always be something better. Some days I’m super happy with a low first on an XCW and others I think its a complete waste because its only good for 10mph. Some days I could keep an SX bike singing and happy but others I think I would stall an auto clutch. Haha

[@josephlay288]

Good ride tough conditions there its usually pretty good dirt But looked pretty slick. But I have to say u honestly looked 3 times faster on the 250 specially in the turns an for u not knowing the bike. I'm in the market for a 250 or 300 xc. Or even a 250sx. An change it up to a woods bike. But in your honest opnion if the 250 would have had the recluse an a good tire would you have liked it better than the 300? I've never owned a woods bike always a mx bike. But got hurt so been riding woods alot lately an want to go back 2 stroke. Was wondering what your opinion would be since I'm more used to a full MX bike do you think the XC would be a better choice for me since it's more like a mx bike the the XCW? Just wondering what tour thoughts would be.. And also what's the proce on the 250 your saling?

[@josephlay288]

And also do you think the Bike woulda felt alot better if the suspension was done for you? Maby it wouldnt have beat you to death instead of soaking it up. Just curious I'm new to the ktm xc an XCWS lol.

[@SkinnySkinch]

Thanks man I did think I felt a little faster too. granted this was a faster track in general than the VCHSS tracks are. If I got used to the bike and set it up properly I think I could def get faster as well on it. to answer your question if you ride a mix of woods and track no question about it get an XC bike. my buddy Sam that won this race had a 2013 250SX for the longest time and just never listened to me about getting an XC. he was a track rider back when he was younger and he felt the SX was just fine for the amount of woods he did. Low and behold his first 2 races on the XC250 he WON both races hahahaha. that SOB!!! the XC bikes are basically an SX bike with a 6th gear, large tank, flywheel weight and 18" rear tire. maybe some mapping differences in the ECU. so you're really getting a track bike that's been set up for the woods. an XCW is purely a woods bike. I mean you CAN ride it on a track, but you won't enjoy it nearly as much as the XC. cool thing is with the air fork you can lower and raise the PSI in the fork to better suit track or woods in all of about 60 seconds. I think im going to ask $6,200 or so for this XC bike but im starting to see quite a few of them listed in the 5,000s range so I may be dreaming a bit there. maybe I didn't get as good of a deal as I originally thought on it. and the amount of money I dumped in im in it almost 6 grand now. we will see. are you local to NC?

[@SkinnySkinch]

yeah bike def would have felt better if set up properly for me but not a TON. its just in general a much stiffer platform than what im used to on my room temperature butter soft XCW haha. that's the trade off though. you can hit things much faster on the stiffer bikes.

[@josephlay288]

@@SkinnySkinch Thanks for the response. I appreciate the info on the diffrences in the bikes. That helps me alot. Guess it's time for me to put my bike up forsale so I can make the change back to a 2 stroke lol. Honestly wish I woulda never went to a 4 stroke but I will say I dont wanna sale my 14 CRF450R. I broke my tib fib an crushed ankle at brushy mountain and was down for almost 2 years 3yrs including learning to walk again. So I spent alot of time an money on my Honda when I was down just to have something to do I'd buy parts an work on my bike that's bout all I could do. So I've basically got a brand new bike. It only had like 12 hrs on it when I got hurt an now it's got bout 35hrs total. So I'm gonna hate to see it go. I wish I could just find some1 with a 250 or 300xc wanting a 450 an trade them but I'd prob be getting the short end of the stick if it wasnt newer than mine. Specially with how little my bikes been rode. but its gotta happen cause to me it's not near as woods friendly as a 2 stroke. It' has the air forks as well it's pretty convenient to be abel to change up air pressure to adjust forks. Beats changing springs lol. And yes I'm local N.C. I live in Gaston county NC which is only bout 45 mins from brown mountain an bout 45 from Charlotte. What bout you? Where are u from?

[@SkinnySkinch]

@@josephlay288 Sounds like you have the same disease as me! I enjoy working on them as much as riding them. That CRF450 is definitely an awesome bike. Only problem with 4 strokes is every 3 years the technology gets so much better the bikes values drop SO fast unlike the 2 strokes. Also if it was the CRF450X version those tend to hold value a bit better but theyre geared more towards the more tamed just out there having fun type rider not quite as serious of a bike. Post the bike in the Mideast, NCHSA race pages and I bet you will find someone willing to trade for a 2 stroke. I would have to see it and all the goodies on there but the value is probably in the $4,000 range. maybe a bit more to the right buyer? Sucks about your broken bones that sounds awful... can I ask exactly what happened? I live in Raleigh actually so about 3 hours from Brushy and Brown. Never been to brown but I really want to go one day soon. I just hear all the stories of the only really good stuff is the outlaw trails where you can get huge fines from that ranger.. and apparently the dude is a DICK. just rumors ive heard.

[@2wheelsandatent]

Awesome vid, takes balls to go hit a race on a bike you have hardly ridden on but looks like you had some fun!

[@SkinnySkinch]

had a great time but I have never been sore for so long after a race, 7 days of soreness when typically I am sore for 1 maybe 2 days. REALLY rough course way worse than the video shows.

[@markmtbrider]

Wonder which spring is on the power valve? Could make it a bit easier to ride with some tuning and a throttle tamer set set up....the more direct comparison would be to your older yz250 than the 300.

[@SkinnySkinch]

I didnt even think about that actually... ill go check when I get home tonight. it doesnt feel like the red. You are correct this bike and the YZ250 are more of a direct comparison. id pick this bike over the YZ250 tbh. the YZ has better suspension though. cant beat e start. I need to do some more work on the XC platform to figure out exactly what I like.

[@jakegroce7957]

Haha I was on the old cr250 you was talking about

[@SkinnySkinch]

Jake Groce hell yeah man! You were haulin ass too haha. Love seeing older 250 motocross bikes still alive. That’s ALL I used to ride my entire life until I hopped on the e start KTM bandwagon a few years ago. My 2003 CR250 still my favorite bike ever. Fit me like a glove. Handled so well. Just couldn’t ever get the damn thing jetted right but I rode it for the better part of a decade that I lived in FL

[@CustomcrowdMitroc]

good job bud! just a tip i would invest in getting some steg pegz its a small company over here in Australia. but they are there little rubber pucks that mount near to your air box and they just it there out of the way but when you start to accelerate and you natural lean back a little the backs of your boots rest on them so the bike is pulling on your legs as well, you don't notice they are there but man they make a huge difference, ever since i put them on my bike it has reduced my arm pump by alot and i find i can ride much longer and harder! they are pretty pricey but they are diffidently worth it! keep up the videos man keep up the good content

[@SkinnySkinch]

Enduro & trials NSW my buddy has those steg pegs actually. I did like the fact that they held me in but for some reason my left boot would always get stuck under it my boot musta been perfect length to get under it and it would get stuck which I didn’t like. Maybe I’ll try them again one day I only rode his bike for a few minutes with them on. Great idea for sure though!

[@CustomcrowdMitroc]

@@SkinnySkinch haha yeah i had the same issue on my 2018 gasgas when i still had it my oneal mx boots would get stuck under it but after awhile i got use to it happening and wouldn't notice it

[@thomastjg53]

Seem like it handles better than the W , looks like it steers more preciseiy. Is it stock suspension ? If yes why didn`t you back the compression out some to get it to ride better , just a thought .

[@SkinnySkinch]

yes it def handles better than the W at speed thats for sure. it doesnt turn as quick though in the really tight stuff. this was honestly the first time I ever rode the bike other than 60 seconds in my back yard the day before. If I spend some time getting it set up better it would be great.

[@trop1calsea716]

Great race man. Where do I go to join these races?

[@SkinnySkinch]

Thank you! are you located in or around NC? go to www.nchsa.org for this specific series or www.vchss.org for the main series I run up in Virginia. Both are great. the schedules and all info is listed right there on the sites. of course if you have any questions at all you can always reach out to me here on youtube or my personal email at scottwesleycoleman at gmail dot com and I can answer any questions you have.

[@Sonos45]

nchsa.org has the schedule and entry form.

[@trop1calsea716]

I’m located in Missouri but I’m very wiling to travel lol. Thank you for your help I will definitely be checking this out

[@SkinnySkinch]

haha yeah well thats a hike out here. honestly just google Missouri Hare Scrambles and I guarantee there is a league out there near you. but if you want to travel come on down!

[@robertcox7220]

I raced there a few times back in the early 90's. That was my 2nd race when I first started racing. Brings back good memories. On a new bike I see. Where is that awesome 300 XC at. lol. Great job buddy. Thanks for the upload.

[@SkinnySkinch]

yeah they've been racing here that long wow I had no idea! thats awesome. Trail was really cool but very beat up with braking bumps. the 300XC is coming hopefully by the end of June. Dealer says July 1 is when it's expected so we will see. thank you!

[@dougfields6418]

You should try a 300xc. You would have the tractor ability you like but the different suspension to be able to soak up the harder hits at higher speeds

[@SkinnySkinch]

Doug Fields I’ve got a 2020 300xc on order! Should be in by July 1

[@markmtbrider]

I was hoping you would get a 250f for racing,keep the 300 for extreme enduro....

[@SkinnySkinch]

haha yeah man I honestly want to get one still I might. This bike was just a project bike honestly. I have a 2020 XC300 coming in and not sure if ill keep the XCW or not. Thinking I will. So maybe sell this 250 and sell the YZ250 and get a 250f? we will see what happens.

[@Tankerman]

Fast forward my butt I wanna watch every second of it. Sams on a mission. Dont start hating on my 250xc. Something must be wrong with mine because mine dont go that fast, cant be the rider. I bet its because my bikes missing the blue on the fender. You couldnt understand what she was screaming because men through the ages have adapted a unique ability to be tone deaf to the annoying sound of blah blah blah. Wheres Randall? Let me guess he is at a Snoop doggy concert or the little fella with the big clock on his neck fan club meeting. You say you miss the hotline but you make every line look like a hotline. Darn you were flying in this one and that last lap good grief. Congrats on another great race. Lets try and not delete this comment this time. Stay safe

[@SkinnySkinch]

Sam was def on a mission! loved the 250XC but it beat my body up GOOD. hhhahahaaha funny comment about understanding what she said and oh so true 😂 im sure Randall was doing exactly as you say. always appreciate your comments Tankerman I get a good laugh out of them! Stay safe my friend

[@Tankerman]

Well I dont have nothing to offer to yall other than maybe give you a chuckle because there is plenty of haters on KZbin who lives in their mamas basement eating Cheetos with plenty of expert advise. If you havent experience any of them yet you will. Also its not like you fellas need any help from a fella like me when yall can ride circles around me all day long so other than ribbing you what else is left for me. I guess I could tell you how darn cute you look in your work release coveralls but that would be a lie so I wont. As long as yall know I have nothing but respect and admiration for yalls riding abilities. Stay safe

[@SkinnySkinch]

Tankerman oh yeah there are plenty of haters on the tube. Doesn’t bother me none I don’t care much what others think of me if they don’t like me. We appreciate all the comedy we def get a good chuckle every time! Oh and by the way... I bought myself a little tractor. Kubota BX23S financed a brand new one. Love it, not much power but it gets the job done. Thanks for the advice

[@2wheelsandatent]

WTF SKINNY??? You cant just end the vid like that lol. how is the foot?

[@SkinnySkinch]

hahaha damn GoPro dies at the worst times... foot was fine actually. just a stinger luckily

[@dannyfitzgerald1603]

Why do you ride vet c?

[@SkinnySkinch]

Danny Fitzgerald I’m 31 and this seemed to be the best class for me when I started racin last year. I ran 250C in this NCHSA series last year but they’re mostly younger kids with absolutely 0 fear just way too aggressive. I gotta go to work on Monday’s lol they don’t. I’ll move to Vet B next year though.

[@bearcattactical1492]

$5,000 for the bike?? Don’t know what you got in it just throwing a number at ya trying to get lucky lol.

[@SkinnySkinch]

BearCat Tactical haha I actually paid $5,200 and put about $600 or so into it. Where you located?

[@bearcattactical1492]

SkinnySkinch South GA. I just got lucky today. My buddy decided to go pick up a 2020 300 XC so ima take his 2018 300 XC for $6000 with like 52 hours on it and lots of good mods. Thanks for the reply keep send‘n it bro!!

[@SkinnySkinch]

BearCat Tactical nice!!! Did his dealer already have the XC in stock??? Mine hasn’t come in yet 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@bearcattactical1492]

SkinnySkinch I’m not sure if he’s actually picked it up yet or not but I do believe they have em in stock at Capitol Cycle in Macon Ga. he had to stop racing for a health situation and it’s gonna take him a few weeks to get cleared to race so he’s done for this year and doesn’t need the 300XC so ima pick it up next week. Soooo not sure if he has plans to get one in a couple months or is about to pick it up within a week or so.

[@SkinnySkinch]

@@bearcattactical1492 dang!!!! lucky man. My dealer said nobody gets the off road versions until July 1. All dealers currently have the 2020 SX models. Thats aweosome put up a video of it when u get it you'll be the first one on KZbin with one.

[@2wheelsandatent]

WTF SKINNY??? You cant just end the vid like that lol. how is the foot?

[@SkinnySkinch]

hahahaha man I HATE how my camera always dies with like 5-10 minutes left in the race. DAMNIT GOPRO MAKE A BETTER BATTERY!!!! Foot is fine actually. I thought I broke it for a second or broke a toe but it was just a nice stinger. those boots saved my butt for sure

[@2wheelsandatent]

SkinnySkinch that’s good! Yeah I just upgraded to fix instincts from Comp 5’s and I am so glad after the punisher ride haha. I seriously would have broken my leg or knee if I wasn’t wearing my CTI knee braces that day. Bike was stuck under a log sideways so I zapped a sideways pivot turn, got it 180 but bike pinned my leg/ knee against the log and I couldn’t get it off . Luckily my buddy was close I could feel it trying to snap. But all is good and I finally made it up SKULL MOUNTAIN!!!

[@2wheelsandatent]

SkinnySkinch look up josh knight he is a local racer here who just got invited to the 6 days for USA but he rigged a small mobile cell phone charger somehow to GoPro I’ll send link just thought you might like it any how. Thanks for the vids man I love watching your races and your commentary is the sh!! :)

[@2wheelsandatent]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZ3Ef5mXeJidaq8 About 15 minute mark is where he shows his “trick” looks easy enough on video haha

[@SkinnySkinch]

OUCH! thank god you had some quality gear. I love the fox instincts its the only boot ill wear. just started wearing knee braces this year I'm on the mobius ones.