Roundabout Signals | A definitive guide from a BMW driver!

[@yodaslovetoy]

"I know where I'm going and that's what counts" - 90% of people on roundabouts

[@irGuilty]

😂

[@dlevi67]

I think that's no more than 50%. The other 40% have no idea where they are going!

[@kenbrown2808]

@@dlevi67 I think the percentage are less, because there's also "indicators are giving aid and comfort to the enemy"

[@dlevi67]

@@kenbrown2808 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@dhvsheabdh]

It does help to know where you're going as well as letting everyone else know 😅

[@andrew1791986]

Similar to when Apple installed that U2 album on everyone’s iPhone, this channel needs to be automatically subscribed to on everybody’s KZbin account… great video as always.

[@Zeem4]

Certain people need it installing on a screen on their car dashboard, whereby turning the key plays one of the videos at random, then they have to successfully answer some questions about the video that just played, before the engine is allowed to start.

[@derekheeps1244]

?? I’ve had every iPhone since the original ( bought on the second day on sale ) and never had unwanted music installed

[@MelodeonTunes]

You should also consider pedestrians when deciding whether to signal or not, we can benefit from the info as much as other drivers.

[@davidsomething4867]

Defo

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

Or perhaps just get into the habit of indicating correctly so you just do it automatically.

[@TheEulerID]

I've commented similarly. When turning into junctions, it's not just other drivers, but pedestrians too, and they are much more vulnerable.

[@nearlyretired7005]

Driving instructors don't teach the correct way of signaling. I have seen many driving instructors not signal incorrectly! I was a driving instructor! The standard has dropped alarmingly.

[@nearlyretired7005]

@@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 Signalling IS NEVER done automatically.Every signal is given careful consideration as per system of car control.

[@Keithbarber]

A friend told me once that he was doing his lgv test in the 1990s his examiner asked him on a roundabout "do you know where you're going?" My friend said yes, and the examiner said " get your indicator on, nobody else does", and still passed

[@keithbilney6798]

I've always indicated right on entry for a straight on then left as soon as I pass the car waiting to enter the roundabout from the left The rest I do as you say. (I'm assuming a classic 4 road entry r/about

[@keithbilney6798]

Sorry, I sent that before I'd finished. I'm sure that was the way it used to be a long while ago? I do still feel I want to, to let the driver in the first entry, know where I'm going. Surely that's what I should be trying to do? I do try to do everything right and I've found your contribution a great help; I wish a few, no, a lot more people would do likewise, perhaps they would be more aware of just how dangerous it is out there! I've been driving cars and trucks, towing , riding m/cycles, racing m/cycles and cycling since early 1960 's and I'm still learning and trying to improve.

[@jakerockznoodles]

Nice video! I was taught mini-roundabouts pretty much exactly as you described. And for roundabouts in general I was told that signalling poorly is often worse than not doing it at all (you're at best wasting your time and at worst confusing other road users). It's always helpful to go over this stuff again 🙂

[@coolsunday6339]

If everyone signalled perfectly, I still wouldn't trust them; I would continue to look to their positioning and directions.

[@stuartvale2901]

A flashing signal only tells you that the bulb is working. You should always consider it to be precisely what it is - an INDICATOR - and never rely solely on it

[@JustMe-ul5oz]

almost had a accident cause someone on the roundabout had hes right signal on yet he went straight on...

[@Umski]

Indeed, I'd add speed to that list too. Best to assume that since the majority have no clue when to signal or don't bother that nothing is safe until you're absolutely sure what's going on around you...

[@rogiermaas]

I (bus driver) often see people signalling what they are doing, while they are doing it or worse: what they have done, rather than indicating what their intentions are. This video perfectly explains the benefits of signalling! I hope people would use the indicators more often. I always do. Even in the middle of the night at 4.30 am when I'm driving to work for an early shift I signal. Not because I have to (according to the rules in the UK apparently; in The Netherlands, you *have* to signal even if there is no one around), I *always* use my indicators to make my intention clear. I also always signal because then I won't have to think about it. It's in my 'autopilot-way' of driving. That way, I don't have to think about whether or not I should signal, I just do. When I do signal, I also think about why I signal and what other drivers would expect me to do when I use my indicators. In The NL, it's only mandatory to signal when you *leave* a roundabout which I think is silly. Not in that it isn't a great help for others wanting to emerge; I'd like to see a law where you would have to signal before you enter the roundabout.. We have no 'mini-roundabouts'. I think (and many are with me on this) that it would be a great idea to make signalling to the left or right (depending on your intentions) approaching a roundabout mandatory. It helps others because they see you approaching the roundabout, they can better anticipate and thus it increases traffic flow. I do hope this becomes mandatory. Great video again, thank you!

[@pwilkinsonliverpool]

I would say the rule when joining is, if they aren't indicating either way, assume they're going past your exit and don't emerge

[@spychopath]

Boss advice.

[@kenbrown2808]

and if they ARE indicating, don't assume they are doing it with the intent of exiting until you've seen their steering back it up.

[@metr0n0me1]

It's all a guessing game these days. Good luck out there!

[@keith6400]

@@metr0n0me1 The general message is weigh up the signal/lack of signal, speed of traffic, position and which way the wheels are pointing. If in doubt stay put and wait for a clearer opportunity. Additional confidence may be obtained by considering blockers and to a lesser extent shielders.

[@metr0n0me1]

@@keith6400 how do you weigh up the signal or lack of?

[@donvito1973]

A T junction near me was converted to a mini-roundabout, and I find a left indicator when travelling (left to right across the top of the T) helps inform drivers in the opposite direction that I won't be cutting across them, despite no steering input being required from me, so it's not strictly a "left"

[@trickygoose2]

There is one near me where I sometimes do the same, especially as I think more traffic turns right in general as it is the way out of the estate.

[@tony_w839]

If it is the first exit off the roundabout, then indicate left always, so you are correct to indicate. The indication is for all road users. eg pedestrians waiting to cross.

[@donvito1973]

@@tony_w839 I'm pointing out the confusion of don't indicate for a mini-roundabout, and don't indicate if your exit is straight across, isn't always the case.. You need to indicate your intentions where there may be doubt, but not where it may be mis-interpreted.

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

The problem when they're converted is some people treat them like a round about, but half still treat it as it was before, giving way when they've got right of way.

[@tzuamourshihtzu9871]

I just passed my test on Friday I can’t believe it only 2 minors 😁 I’ve been learning for 3 years and I’ve had the worst luck with cancellations on lockdown and more cancellations 🤦🏻‍♀️ 6 cancellations and I passed on my second attempt 😁 I’m beyond happy I still can’t take it in 😂

[@PedroConejo1939]

Excellent, straightforward instruction. The right signal for straight over is something that seemed to be ingrained in the drivers of Pembrokeshire. It was extremely confusing and I asked someone who did it why he did so. 'It's because I'm not turning left', was the reply. He'd been taught it, everybody else did it and so he saw no need to change. A biggest problem with roundabouts I experience is the speed some drivers use - Ash was driving at an exemplary speed in the video. No need to rush them, they are junctions, after all. A significant number of drivers use roundabouts to overtake or just for the thrill of the g-forces (it seems), especially those going straight over. This leads to mistakes from those wanting to emerge and can create problems on the exit if one or other of the two combatants gets cut up. The same issue of speed happens with mini-roundabouts where drivers cut across the central circle to maintain a straight line (and hence can keep the speed up).

[@johnclift1967]

It seems to be a trait of drivers of a certain “vintage” - I was conducting a driving Assesment with an elderly gentleman that “ always signals right to go straight ahead otherwise how will people know where I’m going ?” We had to pull over to discuss that theory in more depth 😀

[@15bit62]

If you want to get frustrated on roundabouts come over to Norway - until a few years ago everyone was taught to indicate only when exiting the roundabout. They've changed that now, but of course the majority of drivers still do it the old way. I've had several discussions with colleagues about the usefulness of indicating before you enter the roundabout, but mostly they don't seem to get it.

[@ibs5080]

I've commented on this very fact elsewhere in this thread.

[@NebraskaGonvilleJones]

I’m Australian and we have always signalled like Ashley has done here. I had just assumed it was universal and anyone not signalling was lazy and driving dangerously. Over here you will get fined if you drive without due care including sloppy indicating at roundabouts. The vast majority of Australians do signal well but of course there always is a few idiots out there

[@NebraskaGonvilleJones]

@@ibs5080 😂 sorry, I just found this message after replying to the other one. I’m an Australian and New Zealand citizen so am qualified to answer your question! NZ is the same as AUS. I seriously just assumed it was the same everywhere. That partially explains why I got so frustrated driving in the states, people in the US don’t share the same regard for road rules as we do. Unfortunately their traffic accident statistics bare that out.

[@ibs5080]

@@NebraskaGonvilleJones No need at all to be sorry. I realize there's a lot of debate going on in various parts of this thread. As a dual citizen Brit Canadian, I can relate to your frustrations of driving in the USA as well as Canada itself. Interestingly, I feel that the actual roundabouts in North America are better designed than the ones here in the UK BUT the drivers in North America are noticeably worse than in the UK in the way they negotiate to them, especially with regards to signalling where there is a universal lack of understanding.

[@kevincross9206]

I find this heartening, as I passed my test in ‘82, and was beginning to think that I was getting it wrong. This has clearly reinforced that I wasn’t. It really is so simple to get right. I wish I knew where the indicating right when you’re going straight on came from, so many people local to here (East Sussex) do it 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@MrAceyJay]

I can deal with people who don't use their indicators. I can deal with most people who incorrectly use their indicators. The thing that annoys me is the people who say one thing with their indicators, another with their road position and do a third thing. All you can do with them is wait and see where they go. Normally I then try to go a different way to them.

[@LeDoucheBouche]

In East Kilbride, it seems prevalent in that area amongst the 'keeping the right signal on whilst coming off' there is also a strange practice of signalling right whilst being in the left lane meaning to be going straight ahead. I've checked, it's not in the highway code; Ashley didn't do it in the video yet there they are merrily doing it. All it does is confuse others and obstruct proper traffic flow. Thank you for another cracking video Ashley

[@panman1964]

Using that first roundabout example where you said " it means the blue car knows he can emerge" memories of doing my motorcycle training. "What does a flashing indicator mean?" "that the bulb is working" And that is a truism, just because the other vehicle is indicating doesn't mean its safe to come out

[@grahvis]

A great many years ago, my father warned me never to trust a signal unless you see it come on.

[@mwcavanagh]

I still maintain that every road user should be forced to learn to ride a 125 for at least three lessons. So many of these little tidbits have stuck in my brain too. "Its not much comfort knowing that you were in the right and had priority when you're lying on the tarmac" is another favorite.

[@thecuttingsark5094]

😂😂 brilliant

[@highdownmartin]

I’ll use indications as well as speed and front wheel orientation to determine whether I’m pulling out in front of them or letting that opportunity pass. Even the people who flash you to let you go( Narrow road/ obstruction) and if you don’t move in one millisecond , they go anyway. Trust no one

[@mwcavanagh]

@@highdownmartin ahh the first bit of the car that moves when somebody’s changing direction. Another good one :)

[@gustavmeyrink_2.0]

Near where I used to live was a freaky thing: A circular road which looks to all intents and purposes like a medium sized roundabout but it is just that: A circular road you can legally travel in both directions!

[@horrortackleharry]

Look forward to a video on the 'slide over' technique- how occasionally it's best to abort and just go round again (bit like an aircraft pilot).

[@ibs5080]

Or indeed exit in the right hand lane and sort things out after.

[@cargy930]

@@ibs5080 Ahhh, but then you risk the wrath of those idiots who think you can only use the outer lane to exit a roundabout! :D:D

[@ibs5080]

@@cargy930 When you say the "outer" lane do you mean the UK left hand lane? If so, yes I know what you mean but if exiting in the right hand lane when "conditions dictate" avoids conflict, I will do so. I won't "lane hog" in the right hand lane afterwards if I have no reason to remain it though.

[@cargy930]

@@ibs5080 I probably should have said "those idiots who think you can only use lane 1 _of the roundabout_ to exit", but you got my meaning anyway. Far too many people, for whom the Highway Code is but a vague and distant memory, seem to think that a vehicle in lane 2 can't leave the roundabout.

[@stuartmcconnachie]

When there’s a two lane approach and two lane exit straight ahead, there are many motorist who approach in lane two and then decide to slide across (or worse take the racing line and “apex” the bend) on exiting with absolutely no regard for vehicles using the lane to their left (in the UK). So I’m with the OP on this one - best not slide over, or abort, if unsure. Edit: also if in lane one, best assume anyone to your right is going to attempt this technique without warning!

[@mrnord1989]

Just wanted to say thank you for making all of those helpful videos, I passend my partial driving test yesterday and the content you make helped me so much :)

[@ashley_neal]

Great to hear! Thanks!!

[@tomcanningmusic4923]

Seen plenty of near misses on the Fiveways from people not indicating at all, indicating wrong and skipping between the two lanes. Very important video which I hope more people watch!

[@bridges24]

The Fiveways is very dangerous. People often come round way too fast, I'll pull out when I see it is clear and safe, but then a car will just fly round the bend out of nowhere.

[@davemonro1990]

When I was studying for my first driving test I was taught that if a vehicle approached with its indicator flashing all it meant was the indicator worked. Don't automatically presume they haven't forgotten to cancel from a previous manoeuvre

[@wirdy1]

How very true. Their road positioning & speed have to be assessed too. If in doubt, sit there until you know for sure; you may get the odd impatient beep from someone behind, but it's not their body panels being put at risk emerging when not completely safe to do so.

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

A soothing calm voice, and educational.

[@Lemau]

I aspire to always signal, whether there are people around or not - I prefer it to be an automatism so that I don't have to think consciously about it. Makes it safer because I can keep more attention on the road, and in case I miss someone somewhere (also less of a chance since I'm paying more attention).

[@pwilkinsonliverpool]

Ashley has indicated (no pun intended) that people can fail driving tests for indicating where there is no other traffic as it can tend to show exactly what you just said - that's it's automatic and you aren't necessarily doing your observations (MSM).

[@seanogorman6719]

@@pwilkinsonliverpool since I passed my test in 1986 the examiner isn’t going to worry me. However I do use a signal as a sort of habit while still doing observations as I see so many others making silly errors I’d prefer everyone to know my plans.

[@pwilkinsonliverpool]

@@seanogorman6719 The point is that if you did observations, you'd know there was no one around to know your plans :)

[@seanogorman6719]

@@pwilkinsonliverpool fair point. However I don’t assume I’m perfect and may miss a pedestrian or other VRU so I would still indicate. I’d prefer too much information to too little from others so tend to give it too 😊

[@pwilkinsonliverpool]

@@seanogorman6719 Agreed

[@RealButcher]

Good video. It's obligated here in Holland on the exit. Not the other routes. I use it also when I'm going the other way.

[@sallylouise9826]

I always signal , some great advice after driving for thirty years we are always learning .

[@thomaslubben8559]

In the USA, where roundabouts have only really started in the past 10 years, we are still in 'roundabout kindergarten'. No one except my wife and I signal on roundabouts. I have never, ever seen anyone other than us signal. And yes, traffic is slower and uncertain because of it. But hey, at least we have jumped headlong into the 1970s, only a half century late!

[@jonp6798]

I’ve just bought a house near a double mini roundabout. The amount of mistakes on that thing is crazy. I had to think about it after as I’ve never actually seen one in 15 years of driving. The main important thing is giving way in the middle of the two roundabouts and the knowledge that lots of people won’t when you’re driving around it so slow down and be prepared. :-/

[@tibaro1234567]

sure. instructions like go straight ahead first exit on a double mini roundabouts.

[@DontPanicDear]

So many mongs indicate RIGHT when going straight over a roundabout! It confuses those also on the roundabout, plus people waiting to emerge from the first.

[@chrissambrook84]

Yes my Mrs is one of them and I've told her off many a time for it.

[@DontPanicDear]

@@chrissambrook84 That’s an annoying situation 😱 Signalling ‘I’m steering to the right on a roundabout’ 🥺

[@jerry2357]

Personally, I would say that the difference between a mini roundabout and a small full-sized one is not just that there’s a kerb on the inside of the full-sized one, but also that there’s the possibility of doing a U-turn by going all the way round. Mini-roundabouts are almost always not big enough to do that, they are primarily a way of setting who has priority at a junction. I would say that it’s more important at a mini roundabout to indicate right if you’re turning right, so people coming from the opposite direction at the straight-on road know that they have to give way to you. On a larger roundabout you just need to look to the right before emerging and give way to any vehicles not turning off, but at a mini roundabout you need to look straight on, too. (I have a pair of mini roundabouts close to where I live).

[@junkyardmagic]

Also, it allows bigger vehicles to cross the centre, while still operating on the principles of a roundabout where priorities are concerned

[@inyobill]

Vast majority of roundabouts here in Germany are much simpler than many I've encountered in the U. K. Similar rules apply, when you're clear of the previous exit, signal your exit. I watch for pedestrians and bicycles, and what other drivers are doing, and I try to be clear about my intentions.

[@a.nonymouse1291]

Personally on a roundabout where straight ahead is something like the third exit, or not quite dead straight, i'll indicate right just to let people know i'm coming around. I'd rather be predictable than leave it to guesswork. Like much of driving, its all situational and not 'one size fits all'. People who signal to exit too early are a nuisance as well. I've had that happen to me, i commit to moving out then they blare the horn wondering why i've cut them up. Its not difficult. Then you've got the ones who are just too lazy to signal when turning right. Fine. Don't signal, but when i move out in the truck and you're sat waiting for me to clear in the middle of the roundabout, you've only got yourself to blame. Can't sit and play guessing games all day.

[@ashley_neal]

Watch the whole video as I explain why this is a confusing problem 👍🏼

[@MultiMidden]

But you're not predictable. I lived near a roundabout where straight on was nearly at 1 o'clock so 'helpful' people indicating right disrupted the flow of traffic. Oh and it's on a test route and none of the learners indicate right when going straight-on.

[@ikillyou121]

Being predictable is one of the best ways to drive. Erratic and unpredictable driving causes a lot of confusion and can possibly lead to dangerous situations.

[@a.nonymouse1291]

@@ashley_neal I did, and i can see where you're coming from as well. Hence why i say its not one size fits all. A really specific example was a roundabout I had in mind that i used to use where 'straight' was more at the 1 o clock position. You could use the left lane to go straight, but had a small A road at the 11 o clock position and since the left lane goes quite a bit over to the left, it can look like you're leaving the roundabout. That's just one example where i'd feel an indicator may at least help. Its certainly not for all situations though. Tell me what you think actually. Roundabout in question: www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.5027982,-2.1056758,3a,75y,100.09h,87.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ss_xn5eKNz1BSEi_dwiivug!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

[@johncranna]

@@a.nonymouse1291 I agree with you in that if there are two exits, one at 11 o'clock and on at 1 o'clock then it would be informative of anyone waiting at first exit to see a right signal indicating you are coming around. I always think that any exit after 12 o'clock needs a right signal and I would also be in right hand lane for it.

[@steveNCB7754]

Agree with all you’ve said here. As a ‘veteran’ driver now, I always signal (and always have), whether there is anybody about or not. My philosophy on this, was summed up in a TV program decades ago about Advanced Driving. During a merging manoeuvre, the student began indicating and the instructor asked why he was doing that, when he could see there was nobody behind them, and they wouldn’t be interfering with anybody in the lane they were joining. The mature student’s reply, was that he was signalling to the people he hadn’t seen. My point exactly - what harm does it do, and one day, it might help you avoid an incident with the person you hadn’t seen (car, cyclist or pedestrian).

[@ashley_neal]

Signalling for everything makes people lazy with observations. Signalling specifically, you have to look 👍🏼

[@steveNCB7754]

@@ashley_neal I recognise that it’s a danger (complacency), but I’m happy to report that “I’m still looking”. 👍

[@ashley_neal]

@@steveNCB7754 not as much as if you were to signal as required 👍🏼

[@Threelinkdave]

Ashley - we have a roundabout near Stratford-u-Avon where you cant trust a left signal exiting from a minor road. The riundabout is at the junction of A46 and A3400 wuth a local road second exit coming from A46 heading west with the A46 the third exit.The confusion starts where the A46 splits into two lanes but without road markings. The lane indicators are painted on the road about 3 car lenghs before the stopline, A3400 and local rd left A46 right. There are an incredible number of near misses where vehicles stay in the left lane for the A46. Many are unaware of the local rd and indicate leftafter the A3400 but before the local rd and continue past the local rd still indicating left.Highways England acknowledge the issue but have no mpney for improved signage it will probably require adeath before being improved

[@dylc413]

When merging onto a roundabout, my driving instructor gave me a great tip. Don't always trust the flashing signal, do trust the front wheels of the car, if a person has a left indicator on, but looks like they're going to continue right? They're going to continue right, and you'll spot that from their steering angle Actually saved me from a crash in his car, when an SUV did exactly that, and I had to stop suddenly

[@initialyze]

"Signalling advice from a BMW driver"... Love it. You legend. I didn't realise BMW drivers called them indicators. I thought they were called cash machine parking permits. 🤣

[@lizstubbs2969]

Great video great tips I do right signal when I'm going straight on at a roundabout as well as when going right I will be sure to change this

[@davidsomething4867]

Hi Ashley, Wonder if you can do a video about correct use of mini roundabouts. Although I think the people that would ideally need watch it won't be interested. Also the use of signage at mini roundabouts i.e. the warnings things that indicate that some entrances onto the roundabout have limited visibility. Keep up the good work.

[@ismayb754]

One of the best things about passing your driving test is being able to, whilst still driving safely at all times and in full accordance with the law and highway code, abandon and all the annoying extra quirks that your driving instructor would insist you took on (and that you did, for a quiet life - along with the forced, polite laughter at the unfunny jokes). And then discussing with your friends about all the, totally conflicting, contrasting extra "rules" that *their* instructors told them, which completely conflict with yours. And realizing that every instructor is actually just a little king of his own little castle, enjoying a captive audience, but that really, outside of what's actually in the law and highway code, once you've passed you can do exactly what they do - get your own experience and decide for yourself the best way to do things.

[@TDMFAN]

Here in NZ if the exit you're taking is past 12 o'clock (if the roundabout was a clockface) you must indicate right on your way in until you are in front of the exit prior to the one you are taking, then indicate left from in front of that prior exit. If you're taking an exit before 12 o'clock, you only indicate left from in front of the exit prior to the one you are taking, so obviously if you are taking the first exit you indicate left on your way into the roundabout. So many people here fail to follow these rules though.

[@Unchained_Alice]

There is a mini roundabout near me where immediately after there is a junction on the left. A left signal when going straight, first exit makes it hard to tell if you are going into that junction. Normally I do signal when taking the first exit but there I wait until I am just leaving then signal left since I always turn left there. But you should still really signal left for that exit, just I don't to make it easier for cars trying to get out since it's really hard there due to the closeness of the roundabout. There was apparently talk of turning it into a double mini roundabout but that never happened.

[@forresten]

Here, overseas, we have one-lane roundabouts. The particular stuff that grinds my gears is at 6:10 - 6:20. We are made to indicate when leaving, but fail to indicate in time. So, in order to avoid a situation where I cut someone off, or roll into their path, I need to spend more time judging if it is just a driver who is keeping right in an idiotic fashion, or the intention is to turn right, before passing me. This is not just a situation where risk increases by both parties, but an environmental question. At a busy roundabout this may as well increase localized pollution. Keeping the flow of traffic is a crucial topic, not just for lone, specific reasons.

[@brantnuttall]

When there's a small gap between 2 roads off the roundabout, I will signal left as soon as it's clear that I'm not taking the first one.

[@notmenotme614]

2:34 This is where those who never signal on roundabouts ruin it for everyone else. As you can’t assume they’re going straight on. I’ve seen many who don’t signal, so everyone else waits for them, only for that car to take another exit.

[@adrianling7301]

Great video! I had someone failing to cancel their indicator at a T junction, thankfully enough distance. so I pulled out and they slammed on their brakes and hit the horn! At the end of the day they didn’t cancel their indicator so how am I meant to know what your plan is… indicators have been in cars for god knows how long and people still can’t use them correctly

[@jimf4748]

There are an amazing number of people who signal right when they are in fact going straight on. This causes cars coming from the opposite direction to stop or slow down, as they think the car is turning in front of them, only to see it sail through the previous exit.

[@MultiMidden]

When learning to drive there was a kerbed roundabout where for one of the exits everyone was told not to indicate left. Because that exit road had another road junction on the left next to the roundabout. The indicator made it ambiguous as to whether the driver was leaving the roundabout and going straight or turning left.

[@lucaskarsch1102]

My driving instructor in the Netherlands told me to treat roundabouts like a special junction and to use the indicators as if approaching a junction. when leaving a roundabout at the third exit, indicate at the exit prior when you have passed the prior exit halfway. exept that he told me pretty much the same

[@red464]

It's a really thoughtful way to drive. you signal not for yourself, it's for others to know that you're going that way so that they can plan their driving accordingly. increasing the flow of traffic and efficiency.

[@thecraigmachine69]

3:36 the Hyundai demonstrating perfectly how the majority of people take roundabouts - dive in, straddle multiple lanes and no signals.

[@Daye04]

I am still so happy that you're getting sponsored! 😄

[@YorkshireD1]

When people leave the right indicator on when turning off. "I'll just let the steering wheel turn it off" Might as well not bother

[@trickygoose2]

In my experience, this seems to have become much more common in the last 4 or 5 years. Makes a change from Stevenage where I grew up and learnt to drive, which is a New Town with lots of roundabouts. The common error by drivers there was not signalling left when taking the first exit.

[@Kromaatikse]

One thing that may confuse people is that often you have to physically override the auto-reset feature in order to correctly signal on a roundabout. It makes a nasty cracking sound on some cars, which some could interpret as causing damage. The key is to practice the correct technique and just get used to the actions needed.

[@trickygoose2]

@@Kromaatikse That is true, although that should only happen, for example, if you are trying to indicate left and the steering wheel is right of centre. The most common situation I have had to deal with this is when the first exit is on a large roundabout or is at about 10 o'clock rather than 9 o'clock. At a classic four exit, crossroads type roundabout it shouldn't usually be an issue when switching to a left signal once past the previous exit.

[@jamietaylor5570]

I think auto-cancelling indicators are more trouble than they're worth. I don't see how they save any effort, they train people not to cancel when they should, and with modern road layouts they seem do the wrong thing about as often as they do the right thing.

[@YorkshireD1]

@@jamietaylor5570 I totally agree. And if that was the case they should be louder warning sound because there's a lot of "hard of hearing" people that leave them on if the auto doesn't work.

[@MaltAndPepper]

I prefer (in Holland, so mirrored) to approach indicating right (for 1st exit), not indicating (2nd exit) or left (3+ exit). When it's on, turn off left indicator 2 exits before, turn on right indicator right after last exit before mine. I had some issues with roundabout lane positioning in the UK, but, watching UK videos so do most Brits... I also wasn't too exited to encounter the Plough 6-in-1 magic roundabout on my first day of driving left in years :-)

[@daleykun]

'it shows what you're doing, not what you intend to do which is the point of signalling' wish that the folk on the motorway on my way to work knew that - every single day I have people change lanes in front of me throwing on a signal when they're already halfway over the road markings is off the charts.

[@rogerhargreaves2272]

That’s exactly how I was taught and still adhere to those instructions. 👍

[@colinmaynard2879]

The spate of cars pulling up to a roundabout on my left, which then indicate right! Had a new one yesterday. Car turning right didn’t indicate right until they passed the first (left) exit…took a couple of roundabouts to work out their pattern.

[@gechrb]

I used to think, going straight also requires an indicator, I always enter the roundabout with left/right indicator on. But I find it most amusing, a BMW driver is teaching us to use signals :)) Btw here in my country and I believe most other EU countries, if the roundabout has two lanes you can use the (I will here use left UK lane positioning, although we drive on the right in Europe) left lane ONLY to turn left or to continue straight, no right turn allowed. Same for right lane, ONLY straight, right and U-turn allowed. I almost haven't seen a roundabout in EU where two lanes, merge into one on the exit, where this is typical in UK, I find driving throughout Scotland. Almost every single one contains the same lanes on the outside as on the inside, merging the lanes down the road if necessary. Here we are considering a standard 4 exits roundabout. One lane roundabout of course can go everywhere and three or more lane ones, usually have dedicated lanes for positioning, following the logic left lanes, cannot turn right. It is envisioned in a way, so the cars do not have an intersect/collision point. Entering a roundabout left lane, with right signal, shouldn't confuse the driver next to me, because he knows, I am not allowed to make right and U-turn, but provides the emerging driver information where I am going to exit, even before entering the roundabout, as he can see what lane I'm in. Now this is how the rules are, not how most drivers are doing it, sadly. I am interested to know if same is true for UK, because if not, I confused the hell out of the drivers entering a roundabout with right indicator from left lane. But if true, Ashley is more wrong, than right. It isn't my fault if the driver next to me, does not know the road rules.

[@johnkeepin7527]

If you’re interested you could look at “Traffic Signs Manual chapter 5” which is freely available in *.pdf form. In the real world, there are many variations implemented by the local government departments, to suit the local traffic demand etc. E.g. some often use longish ‘left turn only’ lane markings (and associated signs) - often for 500m or so, to encourage traffic to select the correct one early during rush hour, in which case it’s usually the case that anything in that lane must take the first exit, and nowhere else. In some cases, it’s not even part of the roundabout at all, if there’s a parallel exist from the latter, with a dual carriageway after the first exit. E.g. 51°52'56.1"N 2°14’14.2"W in the Gloucester area.

[@tony_w839]

Very good video, useful for me as I did try to indicate left off, after going right at mini roundabouts. I'm a pedestrian and a driver, when on foot and I want to cross near a roundabout the majority of drivers do not indicate, completely ignoring pedestrians. I have also seen police drivers being guilty of not bothering to indicate.

[@SteveBob104]

People who indicate right on mini roundabouts when they're going straight on are the reason nobody is ever ready for somebody to actually go all the way round.

[@chrissambrook84]

My Mrs does that and it really annoys me. I've told her off many a time for it. There's a mini roundabout by us with a left turn or straight over. When going straight she always signals right. I could never understand it. I told her the only indication she ever needs there is left unless in the very rare occasion she wants to go completely around. Signal left if going left and don't signal if going straight over. It's only 2 bloody exits, if you aren't signalling left then that shows the other motorists that you are going straight. Simple. I've told her to imagine being a car coming the other way and going straight, they're going to wait for no reason if she indicates right as they'll think she's going around. She's still not getting it.....

[@bofor3948]

I sometimes drive off the London bound A2 at Gravesend East and after negotiating the first roundabout cross the bridge over the A2 towards another roundabout. At this 2nd roundabout I have often seen people people put on their left indicator to rightly inform those behind they intend to take the "first available turning", which is Hever Court Road. The problem here is there is a dual slip road leaving the A2 East bound emerging onto the roundabout before that left turn. At times when the traffic is light and only the left lane of that slip is in use, those emerging seem to forget they are on a slip road and seeing that left indicator pull out assuming the car is going to turn into the slip road (which of course they cant). I just keep left as I enter that roudabout and indicate left as I pass the slip road. Then I only have to contend with those still carrying too much speed on the slip road and disregard those on the roundabout, which judging by the grass banking on the centre island is quite a number.

[@GMBasix]

Conventional vs mini roundabouts: as well as the central kerb, the signage is different. A mini roundabout has signage on approach with three white arc arrows pointing clockwise on a blue disc (diagram 611.1). A conventional roundabout (including compact roundabouts) have a single white straight arrow on blue disc pointing left; and black and white deviation chevrons (diagram 515) may also be used. According to the design notices for authorities, compact roundabouts may have central overrun islands (therefore not kerbed), so if it's necessary to differentiate, it's the signage that counts. Worth noting that, if the roundabout signs (white on blue arrows of some sort; and possibly black clockwise arrows on a red-bordered white triangle) aren't used, and if road markings/signs to give way aren't there (which they should be for roundabouts), it may well be an unmarked junction, NOT a roundabout, and therefore the rules about how to proceed are different.

[@Bazza47]

Using signals on the approach to roundabouts correctly can benefit you too on smaller ones. If you're taking the first exit that signal can allow someone to merge from that exit who then act as a blocker for others aporoaching from your right allowing you to then negotiate the roundabout without stopping. Another potential problem is when people join a road by turning left shortly before a roundabout then fail to cancel their signal and proceed to go straight on/take the 2nd exit at the roundabout with their left indicator still flashing. This happens alot at a local retail park by me.

[@Cannon-Fodder]

My driving instructor always told me, 'Don't watch their indicators, watch where they're going'. Works every time with me.

[@R04drunner1]

Superb video, very helpful.

[@wirdy1]

I've tried to explain this to my other half, who only signals as she's left the roundabout. It helps nobody, but she still does it & after trying for 10 yrs, for marital harmony, I've given up commenting on it. Habits formed over 30+yrs of driving in a certain way are very, very, hard to undo.

[@Sparky-vj2dq]

I'm older and was taught "Mirror-Signal-Manoeuvre" as a process but it's clear that some drivers signal because they think they have to - but without much thought as to the actual purpose or who it's for. How many people do you see sailing blissfully around roundabouts with their right indicator still going strong as they turn left off the roundabout? Imagining the roundabout as a straightened-out separate section of road. Asking "what turn signal would you give?" then does answer most questions.

[@Ziogref]

Interesting point on not signalling on mini roundabouts. I had to go through 3 (in a row) on my driver's test in Australia and that was one of the significant things that caused me to fail, failing to indicate on exit. The instructor said that if my steering wheel technique was correct my hands would have been near the indicators so I could signal on exit.

[@salus.populi6323]

Commenting here from France. One thing that’s often done differently here is signalling when going straight on a two lane roundabout. A large vehicle (truck, bus) will often signal left when going straight on, then right before the straight-on exit. This is done as a warning to others to not overtake on the roundabout because the truck/bus needs the full width of the road to manoeuvre.

[@Will-it6ds]

Very helpful video ash, keep up the great work 👍

[@iallso1]

That is exactly what I try to do. My motorcycle instructor warned me that in NZ vehicles aren't fitted with indicators, only with confirmators as Kiwis are notoriously late at signalling, to the point they can be off a roundabout before hitting the switch.

[@brantnuttall]

I like the title. It could have been titled: How to annoy and confuse US drivers! lol

[@marklittler784]

On a normal size roundabout I put left indicator for going straight if no one is at or near the prior entrance and exit I even put it on before that one.

[@derekdelboytrotter8881]

there's a roundabout near me that is clearly marked left lane for turning left and right lane for straight on as there is no exit on the right and people always go in the left lane to go straight and it kind of grinds my gears because you have to be careful if they are not signalling because you don't know if they are just lazy or they are in the wrong lane so I always stay back behind them just in case.

[@kenbrown2808]

so in short, as you approach the roundabout you signal as though you were approaching a crossroads; and in a full size roundabout, you signal like you are driving along a road with exits on the one side. that makes good sense. I'd suggest your use of a kerb as a basis might have an occasional flaw, though, as one of the roundabouts in my town has a kerb about the size of the white spot in a mini roundabout, and, indeed, would better be described as a crossroads with an obstacle in the middle.

[@edmundcorbluthmusic]

I think it’s useful to imagine a roundabout just like any other junction when it comes to signalling... going left - indicate left, going right - indicate right and going straight - no indication. Idk that really helped me during lessons

[@stuartvale2901]

Unfortunately, that's a common misconception and a dangerous one that even some driving instructors will teach. The bottom line is this: If you intend to go straight on and don't signal your intent to leave, no-one has any idea that you're intending to exit. You should always signal when about to leave, whether you're heading left, straight on, or right. The important thing to remember is that traffic on a roundabout can only do two things: go round the roundabout or exit in one direction once it's on the roundabout - ie, leave the roundabout to the left. Therefore, a signal should be applied when leaving. However, when going round the rounabout, you can only continue in one direction until leaving, therefore no signal is necessary until leaving. Source: three advanced driving tests - standard advanced driving, advanced driving course with the Police and two advanced driving courses with the Fire Brigade

[@edmundcorbluthmusic]

@@stuartvale2901 you’ve misunderstood my point. Roundabouts can be daunting to early drivers. It can put students minds at ease and relax them when explaining roundabouts like what I’ve suggested. Of course there is more too it than that and you need to signal when you leave. I was not suggesting you don’t do that. My point was about approaching a roundabout.

[@stuartvale2901]

@@edmundcorbluthmusic I get that, I haven't misunderstood at all. The problem is that when people have been taught to think of it like this they end up signalling accordingly - left for left, none for straight on and right for right (without signalling to leave), treating it exactly like a crossroads, which is totally wrong. There's simply no need to complicate it - you signal when you're leaving. That's it. Traffic can only do one of two things at a roundabout - go round it or leave it. If someone isn't indicating you should always assume that they are continuing round. If they are indicating then you would assume they intend to leave at the next exit. It really is that simple. The other important thing that many driving instructors don't teach (and, subsequently, most drivers don't take into consideration) is that you want as few flashing lights the better, especially when visibility is poor, e.g. raining at night. The more flashing lights you have, the more reflections you have, which increases distractions and, subsequently, danger. Therefore, you should not be indicating when you don't need to. And, on a roundabout, unless you are leaving, you should NOT be indicating. There is zero need.

[@edmundcorbluthmusic]

@@stuartvale2901 tbh I don’t understand what your trying to say... we shouldn’t be indicating before entering the roundabout??...Because that is dangerous. It isn’t complicated but what your saying is making it complicated and would scare new drivers and create a more dangerous environment. The key thing is that new drivers and drivers in general are confident in how they get around a roundabout. I don’t think you understand that nobody is saying don’t indicate when leaving and exiting. YOU NEED TO DO THAT of-course. I never said not too. Instructors say what I have said in my first comment to help and de-escalate any anxiety learners have with roundabouts. It helped me and it helps others. I’ve never had any issues using a roundabout, explaining it like I’ve been taught helps me get into the correct lane before hand if any, and use the indicator to signal which direction I’m intending to go if there is only a single Lane on approach.

[@cmartin_ok]

I think there has been a huge drop in driving standards over the years, a majority of people have no interest or pride in driving, they just want to get from A to B and don't give a damn about anyone else on the road. Sad to say but the sooner we all are in self-driving cars, the better. it should reduce accidents and speed up journey times as we won't have to stop for people who are going to turn out of our way but can't be bothered to signal, people driving at speeds grossly in excess of the speed limit, people with no lane discipline etc. Also when we all have autonomous cars we won't need traffic lights, just think of the energy saving involved there

[@bettyswollocks5278]

Thought it was just me getting old and intolerant but you are absolutely right in what you say. Common sense and common courtesy isn't very common these days.

[@lightsareon2925]

If we had the power of mindreading, it would be without a doubt, used most at Britain's roundabouts! If you are turning right on a roundabout INDICATE, otherwise you are telling drivers waiting to emerge that you are going straight ahead and then you risk getting T-boned when you turn right.

[@DT11acs]

When I was many decades younger we were are taught to indicate right if your exit was to the right of 12 O'clock, Don't know if that still applies, and to indicate left the moment you are committed to the exit you want to take.

[@MPal24]

There are mini-roundabouts on a posh new-build estate where I live which have kerbs and pretty trees on them. Despite having a kerb and plants (which only serve to obscure the view of approaching traffic), they are distinctly "mini" in size, and a signal to leave when going straight-on is a waste of time

[@markgambrill]

I never, ever, pull onto a roundabout (or other junction) based on someone indicating left. They could easily have forgotten to stop the indicator. Having seen quite a bad accident because of this you cannot rely on it. Always wait for the indicating car to action their indication before taking your own action. You also don't know what is behind them. Someone could be moving too fast for you to stop in time.

[@Kefford666]

I’ll put my hand up and say I’m guilty of this 🙋🏼‍♂️ I was driving a car that didn’t automatically cancel its signal. After emerging from a petrol station I then (unknowingly) went straight on at a roundabout whilst still indicating left and made some people very angry!

[@will4may175]

Ashley, I don't know if you've started your HGV training yet or waiting to see what the Gov ends up with in this new proposal, or whether you're adding HGV in as an instructor base for your business. I am taking my CPC and Cat C this week, I'm not waiting for the Gov as I hate being a Bus driver, plus I want both C and +E, so 7am Monday morning (in a few hours) I start my training 🤔 However when you do/are driving them you will see a whole lot more of how bad people are at signalling and how it affects you, even more so than in the learner car.

[@Kromaatikse]

These certainly sound a lot like the signalling rules imparted to me by a BSM instructor about 20 years ago - though I don't recall a specific treatment of mini-roundabouts. At any rate, they are not very complicated, and with a little practice are easy to apply. On the rare occasions I need to use a roundabout on my bicycle, I still do it this way with hand signals.

[@The_BenboBaggins]

I think one of my favourite things about you is that you teach people to drive in a proper car! (Assuming you teach in your BMW?) It bugs me that so many people learn to pass their test in a little city-car with not much power, and then once they pass they can jump into almost anything from another little car, through hatches, saloon, estates and 4x4s!

[@davidfishwick5573]

They learn in those cars presumably because they are normally cheaper to run and insure by the driving schools. Also if most of your driving is in a city/urban area you don't really need a powerful car as it is normally a 30mph speed limit.

[@GarryKnight]

Signalling "anywhere just after the exit" before the one you're taking can be too late in some circumstances. I've had drivers who haven't seen my left signal pull out from that exit in order to take the next one, not realising that I'm going to take it. And if they're going too fast... hopefully the horn and not the crunch! So I signal left *as I'm passing* the exit before the one I want, so that they get a very clear signal showing where I'm going.

[@STLoon]

As a coach driver who often drives 15 meter long tri-axles.. one of my biggest hates is peoples lack of signals on roundabouts, especially if it's a busy roundabout that makes it difficult to emerge without causing anyone to slow down or seem like I'm 'pulling out in front of them' People not indicating to take the exit makes it seem like they are continuing around but then take the exit.. So I can't emerge.. when I could have, if they signalled! Also it's people who signal to show what they're doing, not what they intend on doing... I can't read your mind as I'm sitting at a junction practically staring at someone approaching, not enough space for me to emerge so I wait.. only for them to signal left 10 feet before the junction. I could have emerged and been on my way but now have to wait for another gap.

[@steveblick168]

Whilst watching the clip, i was going to write exactly the same thing. As a class 2 driver and with one of the crappiest gear selecters known to man in the lorry i drive, i find it massively frustrating when they can't be arsed to indicate and like you've mentioned, slows up your emerge. What's even more annoying, is the lack of lane discipline, as shown by the clown at 3:41 !!

[@scottlaaa]

Roundabouts are my pet hates while driving a bus, People never indicate correctly so a gap you could have gone you miss then when there’s a safe gap to go again someone comes flying around thinking it’s a race track! Sometimes I feel like closing my eyes and just going 😂

[@andyuk2010]

A few extra tips: 1. If moped on roundabout, ignore its signal. They are Zoolander of roundabouts - never go left. 2. If a spiral roundabout, any lane's a goal. 3. If about to miss exit, signal and violently steer. 4. If BMW signals, assume it's trying to trick you. That Range Rover was very lucky.

[@sillybait1329]

I would have to say I take signalling (if any is given) be taken with caution, if you pull out in front of someone indicating to early or too late it's your fault, my driving instructor made this very clear to me with the same accord given to green lights, only move out if it's safe, the vast majority of driver's seem to have no regard for red lights or giving way to the right causing countless accidents, near misses and road rage

[@jamesknightreading]

Thanks Ashley. Interesting as always.

[@davidrumming4734]

Thankfully I’m doing it correct! Loads of roundabouts in Wiltshire, but traffic lights are starting to replace them.

[@IanPowell1985]

I also do this at night when no one is around. I think the habit has stuck.

[@kenbrown2808]

you're a step closer to being ready for a drive in the States, then, because over here, we require people to signal whether there is anyone to see it or not.

[@TheEulerID]

I do that as well and also drill into myself the habit of turning the signal off manually and not relying on self-cancelling. I just find it's safer and easier to do this every time; one day I might just not see that pedestrian or other road user that could have benefited. It also becomes close to muscle-memory and I can put my thinking into driving.

[@tony_w839]

Something I do use as well as indicators, get confirmation by looking at the direction the front tyres are pointing.

[@countrye3013]

In my part of Australia we don't indicate left out of roundabouts. The only time I do it is if it's on a particularly large roundabout or I'm doing a u-turn and think some people didn't see me go in so I want them to know where I'm going. We seem to have an epidemic of people just not indicating at all over here 🙄

[@RON240R]

The same mini roundabout which featured twice at approx. 8 mins and 10 mins where you only had 2 choices of direction - follow the road ahead or turn tight. I would say if you are following the road ahead there is no need to indicate left, but if turning right then yes you must indicate right. For both scenarios oncoming vehicles should be in no doubt where you are going. The problem arises when a driver is intending to turn right but has not bothered to indicate their intention, so I do understand why you have said to indicate left to follow the road ahead but in an ideal world it should not be necessary to indicate left on approach when intending to follow the road ahead.

[@derekheeps1244]

If you circulate a roundabout in the right hand lane , you SHOULD exit in that lane , then take rear observation before moving over . This is because there may be someone in your left blind spot , who you haven’t seen and YOU may be at fault for hitting them . Especially if it is a vulnerable road user such as a cyclist or motorcyclist . It costs nothing to exit in the same lane you entered in , and just might save someone’s life . This was the teaching at Scottish Police College , Tulliallan when I did my advanced course ; it still serves me well today .

[@DavidB445]

There's a roundabout local to me that often catches people out doing just that.. You come off the dual carriageway sliproad towards the roundabout which has the 1st exit to the left, 2nd is straight on which takes you back on the dual carriageway and the 3rd is to the right.. Plus a 4th that takes you on the dual carriageway in the opposite direction.. On the approach to the roundabout there's a massive roadsign that clearly indicates both lanes CAN take the 3rd exit.. Yet so many people will drive up the right hand lane and attempt to exit into the left lane at the 3rd exit and end up beeping, flashing and/or waving hands and mouthing off at cars that are in the left lane taking the same exit.. perfectly legally doing so. It might and likely has ended up with cars bumping into one another but as you mentioned.. a cyclist or motorcyclist in the cars blindspot as they pull into the left lane will have no chance to react. It's a 60 into a 40 limit as well.

[@georgebeswick7549]

There are a set of roundabouts on the ringroad around Lincoln that I hate driving on, as people are incapable of indicating which junction they are pulling off at and drift between lanes.

[@marklittler784]

I like to help traffic flow by putting my left indicator on as early as possible especially when I am at least in the second lane so others can pull out without stopping from the prior entrance to my exit in the inside lane that are also taking my exit and I can exit at least into lane two.

[@grahamlong6870]

I have a roundabout near me where the left hand lane is marked with a curved arrow, thus indicating left only, the right hand lane leading straight on to the motorway. I cannot count the number of times when vehicles in the left lane (no signal) have gone straight on. Once or twice I have stopped short when in doubt to see vehicles go straight across at speed. When I approach the roundabout in that left lane I always delay my signal until I can clearly see a vehicle wanting to emerge, then I indicate to make the emerging driver aware that I do intend to turn down there. The reason for the delay is that because just before the roundabout there is a pull in with many parked vans/lorries for drivers to cross the road to a mobile snack bar. Indicating too early (well before reaching the pull in itself) could in fact say to drivers in the pull in that I am going in there, and tell anyone there that it is safe to emerge into traffic, which it is not! As one of the commenters put it, play each scenario on an individual basis.

[@SkatKat]

As a pedestrian, I also appreciate correct signalling!

[@followmemrv]

Try Milton Keynes. A million roundabouts and many BMW and Audi's simply attempt to arrive at the roundabout before anything that's in front of them iin any lane and then go absolutely anywhere the want. All done without signal and at warp speed.

[@rufusgreenleaf2466]

Some people just recklessly speed across a roundabout without correct lane usage nor signalling. I'll be in the left lane to go straight with traffic flowing through the roundabout and some Golf TDI would cut across the middle cutting me up taking the same exit so i have to brake for them.