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Rover SD1 & Leyland Princess - 70s British Wedge Battle! (1977 SD1 2600 & 1977 2200 HLS Road Test)

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Күн бұрын

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@peterward3965
@peterward3965 Жыл бұрын
Circa 1976 when these were launched, I as a postman then turned a corner on my rounds only to see for the first time a Rover SD1 on someones driveway and a Princess on the neighbours driveway . They looked like two alien spacecraft sitting there so futuristic. Compared to the old fashioned looking Austin Cambridge range etc which was discontinued four years earlier. These two cars were something else at the time. I've never forgotten the vision of those two cars sitting there together. Enjoyable video, thank you.
@k9killer221
@k9killer221 Жыл бұрын
The Princess is an almost perfect family car. The flying wedge design is timeless and futuristic today.
@rickydub6950
@rickydub6950 Жыл бұрын
I've said it before, and i'll say it again... that Princess looks absolutely spot on wearing the Stag wheels 😎👌
@iancross4631
@iancross4631 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@heavyt749
@heavyt749 11 ай бұрын
Looks fantastic!
@TheMuzikall
@TheMuzikall 8 ай бұрын
True The Stag Wheels really Transformed the car. But they went over the top with the Love In🤣🤣🤣
@nigelratledge3485
@nigelratledge3485 Жыл бұрын
The SD1 belongs to a mate of mine, I've driven it a few times and it's absolutely lovely.
@philpaxton2078
@philpaxton2078 Жыл бұрын
I've only seen those wheel on a Stag/Triumph 2500 before. They suit the Princess SO well.
@AndyM...
@AndyM... Жыл бұрын
Being a car mechanic back in NZ, these were both very popular in my day, worked on these frequently, along with many other BL models, and I don't know how many times I put in pipe joiners in the hydrolastic suspension lines where they'd rust out, leak and get the dreaded suspension "lean" This all brings back many memories !!! 😀😎
@bondjamesbond9041
@bondjamesbond9041 Жыл бұрын
With the terrible pot holed roads in this country the Princess is the ideal car. We seemed to have gone backwards in car design with the much harder suspension of modern cars. Great review thanks.
@TheDailyRant2023
@TheDailyRant2023 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't even go so far as to blame modern suspension set-ups, it's this crazy notion of fitting low profile tyres on even the most basic cars nowadays that makes the ride harsh. Even a motor with 14/15" steel rims still has a much lower profile than cars of yesteryear.
@markrichards636
@markrichards636 9 ай бұрын
Pot holed roads, worse today than 40 years ago
@markotango54
@markotango54 Жыл бұрын
I once met Harris Mann at a car show,such a modest Gentleman. I asked him about how he felt about his fantastic radical designs being Dumbed down etc. His reply with a smile "Oh l just went for lots of walks around the car park " We can only begin to imagine if his original designs had entered production.
@patrickhostler5939
@patrickhostler5939 Жыл бұрын
The colour of that Rover is stunning
@MarthaMansbridge
@MarthaMansbridge Жыл бұрын
It’s amazing how complete the Princess design looks nearly 50 years on - it looked rather odd and ungainly for a long time when compared to the rest of the market but what a difference a bit of time makes to our perception of something? I find the same has become true of the Allegro - something that used to be likened to a Yorkshire pudding has become positively neat and tight compared to other cars that have become far bigger and fatter.
@chrishart8548
@chrishart8548 Жыл бұрын
Most cars that looked really awkward at the time seem to look rather good many decades later.
@user-pt7rz5cy1j
@user-pt7rz5cy1j Жыл бұрын
My art teacher in New Zealand had a yellow 1977ish Princess in the late 80s and was always waxing lyrical about the perfect smooth quiet cruise at 70 km/h.
@tfj100
@tfj100 Жыл бұрын
Is this because it couldn't make it to 100kmh? 🤣
@markeastwood74
@markeastwood74 Жыл бұрын
Every time I watch one of these videos, I feel guilty for not owning a British classic. I think I'd want to drive the SD1 and would enjoy being a passenger in the Princess. But happy to forgo the ownership experience of a 70s BL motor altogether. Sending much love from afar. 😍
@simonmenzies3142
@simonmenzies3142 Жыл бұрын
People need to now admit that the princess has aged fantastically! It’s a great looking car
@ML-qk1px
@ML-qk1px Жыл бұрын
My dad bought an 1800 HLS new when I was about 7 or 8. It was the car myself and my two sisters learnt to drive in. I drove it to the scrap yard with my dad when it couldn’t be fixed anymore. Apart from the heavy steering, was very comfortable and easy to drive. Despite all the newer cars since, my mum still says it’s the car she liked the most.
@kramnam4716
@kramnam4716 Жыл бұрын
Learned to drive in V8 SD1 . Great long distance car.
@jefferysmith3930
@jefferysmith3930 Жыл бұрын
2 of my favorite “forbidden fruit” British cars. I have never seen a Princess in the metal. I did encounter a US spec SD1 as a child at the Atlanta Auto Auction in 1981. I got to sit in it. I loved it. My father had no interest whatsoever. He was and still is into German cars. He good naturedly mocked my uncle for buying a TR8. I thought the Rover was great and SO exotic to my American eyes even with the dorky USA spec bumpers and headlights. Great video.
@timlewis1732
@timlewis1732 Жыл бұрын
I had a princess 2, 2.0hls for 5yrs. Paid £200 for it ! Not once did it ever let me down over many thousands of miles! Eventually sold it for £500, absolutely cavernous boot and almost as comfortable as a Citroën xm I purchased some years later! Genuinely one of the best cars I've ever had.
@user-gb9iv5op3y
@user-gb9iv5op3y Ай бұрын
I cant believe it never let u down over thousands of miles...must of been the only one if true!!
@timlewis1732
@timlewis1732 Ай бұрын
@user-gb9iv5op3y I may have been lucky with mine. Being a mechanic I saw plenty of god awful BL vehicles back in the day and even had one prime example myself! A maestro which was truly terrible. But the princess was a brilliant family car. I sold it to a guy who used it as his fishing car because all his kit fitted in the massive boot lol. He had for years too until rust got it in the end lol
@user-gb9iv5op3y
@user-gb9iv5op3y Ай бұрын
@@timlewis1732 👍👍
@johnj3577
@johnj3577 2 ай бұрын
As a kid, I was lucky enough that my Dad had both of these and have great memories of both of them. The engine and ride in the Princess was unmatched for smooth progress but it cried out for a 5th gear (his was manual). Apart from a power steering issue and eventually rust, the Princess was reliable and we even drove it to the South of France and back a few times for our holidays. His first SD1 2600 was a series one like this one and didn't give any trouble at all aside from the glovebox filling up with water every time it rained. He quickly swapped it for a series 2 2300 which seemed much more together and modern and that was also trouble free and the only reason he swapped that one was because he couldn't resist an 825SLi that was at the dealer when he went in one day for a service. If I was to pick one now, it would be really difficult, but I think I would go for the Princess. I yearn to feel that super smooth ride quality again, sadly gone in modern cars.
@peterriggall8409
@peterriggall8409 Жыл бұрын
Two very underrated cars at the time that are really now becoming quite sought after as classic cars. Alas we did not get the Princess in Australia. I would find it hard to pick a favourite out of those two. Love them both. 😍
@alrightmelover-nz5ys
@alrightmelover-nz5ys Жыл бұрын
I bought a low mileage Princess series 1 1800HL back in the early 2000s for a laugh thinking it would be rubbish. I was surprised by just how wel thought through the design was - lack of hatchback aside. The joke was soon on me, it changed my perception of BL cars and I subsequently bought a 2nd one - then a low mileage series 1 Allegro with the quartic wheel. All of these cars were impressively well built and drove surprisingly modern. My now-wife and I fondly remember the Allegro in particular and talk about it whenever we see one.
@minimaxi802
@minimaxi802 Жыл бұрын
When launched in 1975 the wedge shaped car was initially the Austin/Morris 1800/2200 and Wolseley Six, the Wolseley having the illuminated badge. All models soon became the Princess by 1976, and in 1982 restyled into the hatchback Ambassador. The low spec models have twin headlamps, the higher spec are Peugeot like trapezoidal.
@levelcrossing150
@levelcrossing150 Жыл бұрын
I preferred the twin headlights models, they just looked more elegant.
@gclarkbloomfield8848
@gclarkbloomfield8848 Жыл бұрын
…hey-ya, guys from a grownup “car kid” from “across the pond”… …we Yanks have nearly zero exposure to the fascinating world of classic British motors…so thanks for your insight into these seminal BL offerings… …here, we had similar issues surrounding two American “sub-compacts”, the Ford Pinto and Chevrolet Vega…and though appealing to two distinctly different market demographics, they both suffered from outside forces beyond the automakers’ control… …the Vega and Pinto pioneered the widespread use of fastback/hatchback styling to economy cars; and were both victims of poor build quality and ever tight budgets…resulting in both being lambasted in the automotive press, which resulted in more-or-less permanent brand image problems… …British Leyland, as you noted, was impacted heavily by toxic management labor relations, resulting in low assembly worker morale, poor build quality, and even cases of workplace sabotage…and the openly caustic commentary from Lord Stokes threw a literal spanned into labor relations at BL, further exacerbated by overall poor labor relations under the Tory administration of PM Edward Heath; and little improved under Harold Wilson’s second term adding to a hostile environment… …agreed that the SD-1 was facing an uphill battle in the North American market; but this was more down to BL’s never having shown an interest in developing dealer/co-marketing agreements here…along with anemic marketing budgets…resulted in likewise less than stellar sales figures… …the American market at the time would have accepted the Princess, as the major driver for the majority of buyers was fuel economy in the wake of the OPEC Oil Embargo and persistent price inflation during the period between 1974 and the early 1980’s…but, alas nearly zero marketing effort made any Princess cars a true oddity on North American roads…and same for the SD-1…though Rover did make a later effort through a joint -market agreement for the later Rover 800/Sterling with the Lincoln/Mercury Division at Ford during the latter 1980’s… …the most prescient comment regarding these two examples of forward-looking styling, is that the average UK buyer felt that they were “too edgy for their tastes and sensibilities at the time”… …thanks for your great window into these seminal cars for your fellow nerds out our way…and looking forward to further KZbin offerings… …cheers and best regards…👀🙌👍🏽
@alanblackford2962
@alanblackford2962 Жыл бұрын
The V8 in the SD1 is an old Buick designed motor, which was dropped by the American company and sold to BL.
@CapnChapster
@CapnChapster Жыл бұрын
As a kid I loved the way these two cars looked
@stephenriley5448
@stephenriley5448 Жыл бұрын
My parents had a black princess with the same vinyl roof and gold go faster strips as the car you tested. I don't what engine size as I was only about seven but it was a manual. I really liked that car. This brought back some memories.
@johnj3577
@johnj3577 Жыл бұрын
Did it have the big square headlights like this one, or 4 round ones? If it had the big single headlights, vinyl roof and coachlines, it was a 2200HLS just like this one :)
@stephenriley5448
@stephenriley5448 Жыл бұрын
@@johnj3577 It had the square headlights.
@brit-in-czech
@brit-in-czech Жыл бұрын
Yes, difficult choice for sure. That Green colour edges the SD1 for me - it's mouth-wateringly lush.
@nicksmpsn6546
@nicksmpsn6546 Жыл бұрын
I'd have the Princess. Memories brought back of my childhood and dad's bright blue HL with obligatory 70's vinyl roof.
@CapnChapster
@CapnChapster Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I’d choose the SD1 because it looks great, and the bigger the engine the better
@brianfearn4246
@brianfearn4246 Жыл бұрын
Fabulous video on the Princess, i owned a P Reg 2.2 HL automatic back in 85 i can honestly say after experiencing a drive in a Rolls Royce silver shadow they both seemed very similar in the comfort department .
@hondac7028
@hondac7028 4 ай бұрын
My dad had a Austin princess 1.8 hl in 1982 REF225R in sandglow it was a beautiful car he ran it seven years just floated he took us all over the uk whith a Thompson t line caravan on the back never failed.he still says today best car he ever had he traded it in for a cavalier mk 2 saloon B reg nice car but never matched the princess.
@nickfensome8855
@nickfensome8855 Жыл бұрын
Stag alloys on the Princess look so gorgeous no one did that back in the day
@hamishpaterson2413
@hamishpaterson2413 Жыл бұрын
I’d have the Rover SD1 on my drive all day every day! What a gorgeous car! 😍
@reconforsales7708
@reconforsales7708 4 ай бұрын
2 of the most beautiful cars EVER made! especially the Princess- A true beauty queen Princess in the motoring world!
@ClassicsWorldUK
@ClassicsWorldUK 4 ай бұрын
Yes indeed!
@steveb1593
@steveb1593 17 күн бұрын
My dad had both in the mid to late 70's - they were both fabulous cars in their day but for me, the Rover 2600S just had the edge. . Wish I had them now ! ❤
@shanerowe5289
@shanerowe5289 Жыл бұрын
In 79 I hated the looks of the Princess(I loved the MK 4 Cortina so what did I know) and loved the SD1. Now I crave a Princess but would settle for the SD1. Greetings from New Zealand where both were available new.
@markotango54
@markotango54 Жыл бұрын
On the initial shot that SD1 Looked much smaller than the Princess, l don't think I've ever seen the two side by side like that over the years. A now Retired Ex Lancashire Constabulary Traffic Cop friend of mine once told me that the V8 SD1 was the finest best suited Traffic car he ever drove in his career.
@random-person1
@random-person1 Жыл бұрын
of the many cars i rode in when i was too young to drive, the princess was one i loved the most. a friend of the family had recently bought one for his wife showed it around to ALL his friends and neighbours. im from a time when even the princess (as a second car) was still something one would show off to everyone in his circle. many years later, in the early 2000's, i had a chance to buy one of these cars, and at a very low price for the condition, which was immaculate by the way. i thought about it for a few days because it was still a chunk of change i wasnt sure i wanted to spend, even on a car as good as this one was. i bought it anyway, because why not by a car that looked like it had just been built the day before. it was original brown, oddly the same colour as the neighbour had bought for his wife. but had recently been sprayed white which made her look more modern than the brown from the 70's, what a horrible colour for a car, brown!! the interior was soft leather, black to hide the dirt and very comfortable. black carpet with white edging finished off the sleek look i think they were going for. original engine block but everything that made it go broom broom was brand new, and i mean everything. the cylinders were bored and sleeved, with brand new pistons and rods, along with everything else i know nothing about. i kept it for about 6 months, rarely drove it because i was afraid to damage it whenever i took it out. so there really was no point in keeping it so let it go, for a tidy, well more than a tidy profit! i made far more than i bought it for so gave the friends i bought it from a couple because i knew they could have made far more! anyway, thought id let you know
@robotronuk
@robotronuk Жыл бұрын
The thumbnail caught me, I had a Vauxhall Chevette 4 digits higher than that rover! Good old BEC488S, sadly I was the last of the 13 keepers it had
@jedoka
@jedoka Жыл бұрын
I’d take the SD1 anytime
@mikewood2609
@mikewood2609 Жыл бұрын
Owned both,had princess early 80s and had 3 sd1s later 80s loved all of them great cars.
@alexandrecouture2462
@alexandrecouture2462 Жыл бұрын
I like the shape of the Rover. Great video!
@paultaylor9652
@paultaylor9652 Жыл бұрын
Lovely Jubbly, my childhood in cars including the Landcrab. Very good reminssing, but some of those cars were dire as I remember my father with a jug removing the water from the footwells of his Princess II everytime it rained in a certain direction.
@johnj3577
@johnj3577 Жыл бұрын
My Dad had all three as well.. A Landcrab followed by a Princess and then 2 x SD1's. All fun cars but all had niggles. The front wheel fell off the landcrab, the princess burned loads of oil and rusted badly, and the SD1's gloveboxes were always full of water and he left big sponges in them to soak it up. It was always my job to squeegee them out every time it rained.
@Richard-Bullock
@Richard-Bullock Жыл бұрын
I love them both, but for me it has to be the SD1. My dad bought an ex plod mobile direct from a police car auction in 1986. It was a 1983 / Y reg 3500 SE, white (obviously), 5 speed manual. Despite being badged as an SE, it was properly poverty spec. As was the way things were for emergency vehicles back then. Extremely gutted he sold it before I was old enough to drive!
@robertdarby6553
@robertdarby6553 Жыл бұрын
The police complained that the brakes on the SD1 overheated when the car was driven at 50 mph in reverse. They came up with a solution and that was to fit the Minilite alloy wheel. However, they wanted them to be factory fitted and the company that made them was not an approved supplier. I worked in supplier quality assurance at the time and we expended some serious effort helping the company adopt the necessary quality assurance procedures. They did so, became an approved supplier and the police got their alloy wheels.
@OverDriveOnline7921
@OverDriveOnline7921 Жыл бұрын
Having owned 2 SD1’s, the O series 2000 and a last of the line 2600, I can certainly say the SD1 was an armchair comfort level motorway cruiser. One thing to watch on the 6 cylinder models is blocked oil ways which would starve the head of oil, but the V8, despite by that time being an old engine was bulletproof, still using pushrods rather than overhead cam in the fuel injected versions (currently filming a Marcos Mantula V8 rebuild with the fuel injected Rover V8). Would love to have another one day, but as I’ve had the 4 and 6 cylinder ones, if I do get another it would have to be the V8
@johndrake2729
@johndrake2729 11 ай бұрын
The Princess was also used in the first series of The Professionals, but it was seen briefly in the earliest episode. Gordon Jackson's Cowley used it as his personal car before switching to the SD1. Smart choice.
@mattg8369
@mattg8369 10 ай бұрын
I've always loved the SD1, and in that pea green color, love it! Still, I like the Princess too, but if I have to choose, I'll take the SD1.
@ClassicsWorldUK
@ClassicsWorldUK 10 ай бұрын
No bad thing!
@nigelwooldridge615
@nigelwooldridge615 8 ай бұрын
princess with stag wheels best ive seen
@minimeee04
@minimeee04 11 ай бұрын
I have owned both cars back in the 70s and 80s and i have to say both cars were fantastic 2.2 HLS Princess was extremely comfortable and the 6 cylinder engine was superb the Rover SD1 3500 we had plus others were also superb especially the series 2 version oh and i did work for Rover at the time so a bit biased.But seriously loved them.
@ClassicsWorldUK
@ClassicsWorldUK 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@raypurchase801
@raypurchase801 Жыл бұрын
I loved both of these cars, back in the day.
@johnmull59
@johnmull59 Жыл бұрын
Always loved the SD1. On my way back from school in South London my friend and I saw a debaged one a few months before it was launched. We spoke to the driver but he didn't let on what it was. SD1 silhouette years ahead of its time.... look at the Tesla Model 3.
@barron204
@barron204 Жыл бұрын
Childhood car was a SD1 1984 3500 SE in Blue with grey leather.
@andrewb2475
@andrewb2475 Жыл бұрын
I've always loved the SD1, I was aged 11 when it was launched and will never tire of watching a video featuring one........................as for the Princess? BL just didn't quite pull it off!
@jamesprince4991
@jamesprince4991 Жыл бұрын
Never rated Bache and his pseudo 365 and Aerodynamica clone. The Princess looks surprisingly neat in that colour.
@Kiinell
@Kiinell Жыл бұрын
If I were commuting, or doing long journeys I'd go for the Princess, but for sheer style and joy of owning a classic I'd have the SD1.
@geoffnicholson8364
@geoffnicholson8364 Жыл бұрын
I had a lovely electric blue SD1 but I would never put the electric window down if rain was forecast because it was an even money bet whether it would go up again that day
@kristian5515
@kristian5515 Жыл бұрын
What a good choice in cars - both are very very nice. I would take the Princess on weekends and the Rover as a daily driver! Thanks for nice content guys!
@ClassicsWorldUK
@ClassicsWorldUK Жыл бұрын
Thanks Kristian, you're welcome!
@adampowell5376
@adampowell5376 Жыл бұрын
I like radical cars such as the Princess, the SD1 and the Ford Sierra.
@jimmarshall807
@jimmarshall807 Жыл бұрын
I grew up in the 70s and early 80s (like many of your subscribers I suspect), and even then these cars felt at best part-done and a poorer buyers' choice than the Ford or European competition. My Dad had an almost-new land crab for a period until the steering packed up i.e. turning the steering wheel didn't turn the front wheels...) with all of us inside the thing, fortunately only at town speed. Quite a memorable experience. He wouldn't touch a BL relic again.
@tricialyn4645
@tricialyn4645 Жыл бұрын
I dont know much about cars but I liked this video much - very entertaining. Loved the shapes!!! I appreciated the history behind the vehicles too :)
@ClassicsWorldUK
@ClassicsWorldUK Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! :D
@willshaw24
@willshaw24 Жыл бұрын
Ive owned 7 sd1's over the years, still have 3 so sd1 for me all day long. I've never liked the princess styling at all. Great video though.
@rarevhsuploads4995
@rarevhsuploads4995 Жыл бұрын
I’d go with the Princess even though I’m normally a Rover man. I prefer the styling & ride comfort of the Leyland Princess.
@danieljames2015
@danieljames2015 Жыл бұрын
The SD 1 was a looker from the start, the Princess could have been a looker with a few subtle styling improvements.
@tomsommer8372
@tomsommer8372 Жыл бұрын
People especially looked at the SD1 when bits and parts fell off, which happened on a quite regular basis.
@danieljames2015
@danieljames2015 Жыл бұрын
@@tomsommer8372 Ah, an anti British, probably German. How are all the emission cheat Lawsuits going?
@Raymund-Swales
@Raymund-Swales Жыл бұрын
Remember Rover had an open day and I had the pleasure of being driven around Rover's test track in a black SD1 with my father, Bob Swales who worked for Rover. It was awesome! One of those little moments you never forget. It's funny they based the design on the Ferrari Daytona 364 GTB/4. :-)
@henkormel5610
@henkormel5610 Жыл бұрын
I owned a 2600 SD1 in the early '90s. It was hampered by the typical Brirish issues, always an oil drip, dodgy electrics and rust like every other car of that period. Mine was build in 1980, the last off the series one. It was quick and comfortable with the quiet and silky smooth straight 6.
@kutz13
@kutz13 Жыл бұрын
Had a SD1 2600 back in the day - starting on a cold day was hit or miss, inside felt vast, and the back end would overtake the front at every opportunity. Can't say I look back and miss it.
@KenanTurkiye
@KenanTurkiye Жыл бұрын
Just came across this channel through this vid, subscribed. Now need some time for some binge watching.
@ClassicsWorldUK
@ClassicsWorldUK Жыл бұрын
Welcome along!
@KenanTurkiye
@KenanTurkiye Жыл бұрын
@@ClassicsWorldUK TY
@1962lp2h
@1962lp2h Жыл бұрын
Both - Please!!
@niceuneasy
@niceuneasy Жыл бұрын
Loved the princess amazing comfort and space my dad had the 2.2 HLS
@jamesecroucher
@jamesecroucher Жыл бұрын
“Glorious” (again)(and again)(…and again…)
@ClassicsWorldUK
@ClassicsWorldUK Жыл бұрын
Glorious!
@colinfairclough1653
@colinfairclough1653 Жыл бұрын
Rover was a great looking car, especially the series 2. My first car was a 1986 SD1 2300 SE in moonraker blue. Bloody loved that car.
@TheGov1967
@TheGov1967 Жыл бұрын
Would choose the Rover as i had a V8 Vanden Plas, V8-S and V8 Vitesse which actually had the 3.9 V8 conversion and with the 5 speed manual was a rocket ship of a proper drivers car back in the day, even today it would still impress. After seeing your lovely video on both of these cars i would still love to have them both in my garage as they bring back memories of happier simpler and better time's. Thank you so much for your time and effort in sharing this.😊👍😊👍
@tomasmartins4378
@tomasmartins4378 Жыл бұрын
The SD1 its a masterpiece.
@adarbs6384
@adarbs6384 Жыл бұрын
My dad bought new a 1982 SD1 2600s in moonraker blue, still has it in the garage and in all its 41 years it has never been driven in the winter
@salvatorep.1685
@salvatorep.1685 Жыл бұрын
Rover SD1 is still a stunning car. When I was a child I remember a lot of SD1 in Italy, especially powered by italian engine VM diesel, the same of Alfa Romeo.
@BernardSamson-hf6fc
@BernardSamson-hf6fc Жыл бұрын
The SD1 tailgate hinges used to break off, slewing the tailgate across the car. Also the bonnet cable would break, meaning a tin opener required to open bonnet. First and Last SDi's were V8 powered. I PDi'd the last of them.
@nk53nxg
@nk53nxg Жыл бұрын
My folks had an SD1 in the 80's, metallic maroon red with beige interior. It was a 3500 S, think it was a B reg. I remember the tailgate gas struts failing and the boot lid coming down on my 7 year old hand. Ouch. I still loved that Rover as a kid.
@markl5681
@markl5681 Жыл бұрын
My dad graduated from a love of P6’s to the SD1. I went with him to look at a brand new SD1 at Lookers in Stockport. My dad was thinking of buying a brand new one and part ex’ing his earlier SD1, he’d never bought a new car before. He pointed out to the salesman that the hatchback on the example in the showroom didn’t line up properly. The salesman inspected it, gripped on to the outer corners of the panel and with some gusto twisted it left to right, then stood back admiring his handiwork stating “they often leave the factory like that…”. No surprise the British car industry died on its arse.
@overboardwrekless3061
@overboardwrekless3061 Жыл бұрын
Had both... Miss them both!
@michaelbacon561
@michaelbacon561 8 ай бұрын
Your close-ups of the fascia and those wonky glove lockers underneath summarise the real problem of the Rover - appalling finish and build quality. Such a comedown from the P6.
@terryosborn
@terryosborn Жыл бұрын
Had a 2200HLS as a company car but seven power steering pump failures in six months, ouch! Went back to Austin and replaced with a Rover Sdi which did 60,000 miles in a little over two years before it blew a head gasket, loved that car and would love one on my driveway today if I could find a good one.
@alanwayte432
@alanwayte432 Жыл бұрын
My father had SDI in 1977 the people would stop and stare it was a real showstopper
@omega19uk
@omega19uk Жыл бұрын
My father was a total Rover loyalist...from my earliest memory and still my favourite P5 Coupe...he waited until changing to the P6 3500S....then to the SD1 V8 S...and then the SD Vitesse...finally moving to the 825 which turned out to be a complete lemon...spent more time in the shop than on the road...eventually enough was enough and he changed brands to Honda for the Legend...now well into his 80s he's a Lexus man....then, on the other hand, my grandfather was all Ford...finally finishing off with the Granada Ghia X estate. For me apart from the P5...I'd have the SD1 in V8 form.
@Challenger540i
@Challenger540i Жыл бұрын
Informative, factual and very, VERY watchable - thank you guys
@ClassicsWorldUK
@ClassicsWorldUK Жыл бұрын
Thanks Martin, glad you enjoyed!
@mickvonbornemann3824
@mickvonbornemann3824 9 ай бұрын
If you want to check out a 70’s wedge, look up the “Leyland P76”. Even came out with a 4.4 litre version of the Buick/Rover alloy V8, only 4.4 litres instead of 3.5 litres, with the same deck height of the Buick 340, meaning it could take their cranks.
@reitsmaassociates
@reitsmaassociates Жыл бұрын
Remember both of these when new as a kid in NZ, the rover SD1 was like nothing else period ! Great review guys - cheers from Brisbane
@rovervitesse1985
@rovervitesse1985 Жыл бұрын
My first car was Rover SD1 Vitesse from 1985 in Targa red. Bought in 2005 and had it for 17 years
@simonhodgetts6530
@simonhodgetts6530 Жыл бұрын
The mk1 SD1 is brilliant. But, that Princess is a thing of beauty - having had experience (I learned to drive in an Ambassador) of the BL wedge, I’d say that the ride and space inside was amazing. The Princess deserves such a better reputation than contemporary reports suggested. However, if I could afford an SD1 Vittesse or VDP, I’d have one in a heartbeat!
@davidhealy4534
@davidhealy4534 Жыл бұрын
My Grandfather had A black Leyland princess in the early 80's.
@raymondadams7570
@raymondadams7570 Жыл бұрын
the sd1 should have been a world beater
@justas525
@justas525 Жыл бұрын
Between these 2. I'd jump into Rover and. I love the styling, the interior, and of course, it has to be series 1. All of those issues have been resolved ages ago by owner's clubs and forums.
@TimothyForbesXXI
@TimothyForbesXXI Жыл бұрын
I remember reading about the SD1 when I stopped at Heathrow en route to a school trip to Russia in July 1976, and thought it was interesting. I really like the Rover myself, but the Princess has its own charms.
@philnewstead5388
@philnewstead5388 Жыл бұрын
Two great cars, I liked them both at the time and in my opinion both have aged well. The driveshaft issue only affected the 2200 models and the driveshaft wouldbang against the front chassis leg under certain condition, the cure was to fit modified engine mounts so the power unit sat further forward in the frame and there was also an issue with front wheel bearing collars failing due to faulty manufacture and they really didn't suffer any more problems with the Hydragas than any of the other models failures often caused by the pipes getting damaged rather than component failure. By the time it became the Princess most of the faults had been sorted. As for the SD1 it was a pretty good car from the start but was let down by QC issues such as CDL problems it would suddenly start cycling for no reason, electric windows would disappear into the door and not come back up, they would leak water into the car and the trim fit on those early cars was appalling, I well remember a customer opening the door in the showroom and the door card catching the B post and completely detaching itself and of course there was the paint problem which was down the the application process. Again by the time the 6cyl cars came along in 1978 along with a mild facelift the car was pretty well sorted.
@gixxerman0016
@gixxerman0016 Жыл бұрын
I had a Princess 2200HLS, lovely car - with the exception of the fuel consumption low to mid 20's; plus it had driveshaft problems & in the end it died when an engine mount failed allowing the motor to tip forward at a scary angle.
@dangerman01582
@dangerman01582 Жыл бұрын
I wanted to buy a Princess as my first car in 1988 but the insurance was too high. It was a burgundy 2.2 straight 6 automatic. Think I'd choose the SD1 V8 now
@amphilbey
@amphilbey Жыл бұрын
Great review and love a SD1, another case of what could have been....with the benefit of hindsight can't help feeling Rover should have reinvented the SD1 instead of the retro 75 in the 90s, but by that time the Rover badge wasn't premium enough to compete with the germans sadly. The Princess maybe another example of a great design idea compromised by reality of engineering.
@markcarter9476
@markcarter9476 Жыл бұрын
My father had an SD1 and it was my favourite car that he owned. It was the 2600 and I can concur that engine was silky smooth to drive.
@anthonyp6810
@anthonyp6810 Жыл бұрын
They both were cars of their time and we were lucky to have had them in our lives. I too would have them both and I definitely do like the Citroen that’s like a house on wheels
@Bobblenob
@Bobblenob Жыл бұрын
Engineering excellence! You taking the Micky there
@Bod8998
@Bod8998 Жыл бұрын
Tough one but think rover for me
@Cortinaman63
@Cortinaman63 Жыл бұрын
I have always adored Ford cars, and I have owned my 1974 Cortina Mk.3. for 47 years, but I must admit I always loved the look of the SD1, a truly beautiful car, and the one in this video is in superb condition, a joy to see her looking like she did when brand new, Bl might not have been good at build quality, but the guys in the Design Department did a fantastic job making such a stunning looking car.
@williamwoods8022
@williamwoods8022 Жыл бұрын
Ford were not any better at build quality especially the British built cars. You got good and bad in BL just like most other makes back then apart from the Japanese. Me and my fellow workmates never bought Fords because the Escorts and Cortinas the company we worked for back then went through engines and gearboxes as if they were wear and tear items and when we left that company and bought our own cars and the BL cars that I bought at least were very reliable cars with no problems with build quality as were the other BL cars in my family as well.
@robertlloyd7493
@robertlloyd7493 Жыл бұрын
Rover please
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