I was told to loosen off all the engine bolts a little . Start the bike and let it tick over for 5 mins then retention the bolts . This cured 90% of the problem
@nagarjunmadhusudan63577 жыл бұрын
What you have suggested is what a hard break in or a moto man break-in is like, revving to the limiter in every gear will ensure piston rings are seated properly. This increases the fuel efficiency and smoothness of the engine. It's actually recommended that you do it once you get it from the showroom in the first 30 kms. Manufacturers don't recommend hard break in because they don't want to mention it in the manual and have new riders crashing into stuff in the name of breaking the bike in and facing a law suit. Overall a very detailed and nice video. More Enfield related stuff pls! ✌️✌️
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
nagarjun madhusudan. Thanks for the comments, yes I have read about it a few times over the years. 👍
@rajethzachariah15047 жыл бұрын
nagarjun madhusudan Hi how many times should this be repeated? And how long should each gear be held at the max rpm?
@nagarjunmadhusudan63577 жыл бұрын
Rajeth Zachariah first 30kms is crucial so the main thing is to get your engine warm to operating temp layer get on to the highway and do what this guy did Rev end from 2 gear and continue on don't do from first gear
@rajethzachariah15047 жыл бұрын
nagarjun madhusudan is engine oil change necessary after 30km ... Ok from 2nd to 5th gear but how many times Shud I repeat this process of redlining 2 to 5 gears..how many cycles of ir
@nagarjunmadhusudan63577 жыл бұрын
Rajeth Zachariah change oil when the manufacturer recommends you can do it once that'll be enough if you do it at the beginning
@whorayful93616 жыл бұрын
The absolute worst thing you can do for the engine is follow Royal Enfields running in procedure! Slogging the engine in 5 th Gear at 60 km/h is a great way to pick up cylinder walls due to high side thrusts and big throttle openings. I could feel my 350 begin to tighten and get very noisy if I tried to use 5 th at low speeds, so within 100 km I abandoned RE's procedure. For the first 250 km I kept it under 80 km/h used the revs, but gently no big handfuls of throttle. Up to 500 km I gradually increased the speed to 100km/h and gentle throttle use, the bike will tell you when it's not happy. I avoided holding any one speed for a long time and made use of the entire rev range and gears. By 2,000 km I was riding it full throttle on freeways for 20 or 30 k's at a time with occasional full throttle take offs bumping the rev limiter in the first 3 gears. Now at 5,000 it runs totally vibration free. Ray
@jeffslade18926 жыл бұрын
The 500 is a very different animal to the 350 with a greatly increased useable rev range. The power band is roughly 4000-5250rpm but will pull strongly from below 2000rpm, which is 33mph in top, about 54kph. On the 500 top gear is almost an overdrive, it doesn't like doing 30mph in top. RE phase 1 of running-in says 35-40mph (50-60kph); this is probably a good 5mph too slow. Running-in an Enfield /is/ essential but it doesn't mean treat it like a basket of eggs, it means use it gently.There are three phases to running in. Running-in is not complete at first service (300 miles)The third phase, after 1000km, is where we gradually increase the revs and the vibrations go away. Many riders never complete the third phase and the vibrations never go away. About the only part run-in by the RE factory is the piston in the bore, that beds in very quickly. It is not the only part that has to be run-in; there are many bearings, shafts and cogs. If you buy any new vehicle, they always recommend driving gently for the first 1000 miles.
@arildsolemdal69663 жыл бұрын
@@jeffslade1892Thanks for your input! I'm picking up my brand new Desert Storm 500 later this spring. Got a Tinytach tachometer to fit on it. Would you recommend around 3000 rpm even in 5th, although it will theoretically give me 48 mph? I will of course follow the "gentle" run-in doctrine.
@sarath7075 жыл бұрын
Very Good info. I have done this for my 150 CC bike and the result was very fantastic. I forgot to try with our Classic, as I was thinking these vibrations are because of some reason, that was the related informations received from other channels. Will try this surely. And also will try to loosen and tighten the engine mounting bolts after it reaching it's operating temperature. Presently, we are using Motul 5100 semi synthetic, not feeling any noticeable difference in performance and vibrations from the RE recommended oil. We have completed 4500 Kms already. Thanks for reminding me the same again. Please update the ideas like this again with this channel.
@jroberthadden4 жыл бұрын
I've owned a few new bikes since 1971 including singles, triples, and iron head twins. I agree with your approach as I've used similar technique with decent results. I always called it "stretching" the engine a little at a time. I'm considering adding an RE 500 or 535 to my stable. Stuart Fillngham swears by Silkolene oil for Enfields. What do you use?
@pankajsinghtiwari47207 жыл бұрын
Mr. Paul Grocock Sir! I have to thank you profusely at the very outset!! I am very lucky that I got to watch your video very early into my breaking in period of my classic 500. I have to tell you that your method reduced the vibration on my bike to almost nil. I am right now at 800 km on my bike and am still doing the hard break in, till I reach 1000kms. Guys It Works!! try it...please be careful but try it!! Thank You Sir!!
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Pankaj Singh Tiwari . Thanks for your comments, and great news you have had the same success I had. Also thank you for advising people to be careful and sensible trying this method. Short bursts at high revs through the gears 👍
@rajethzachariah15047 жыл бұрын
Paul Grocock Sir after you started doing the hard run in how often did you change the oil.. I'm assuming you did it more times than the manufacturer recommended change...I think the manual tells to do oil change after 500 km then 2000km then 3000km
@sam1950277 жыл бұрын
Paul Grocock top speed and millage, do you face any problem with efi
@sam1950277 жыл бұрын
Rajeth Zachariah 500 and 5000 thy change oil on 1&3rd service only
@rajethzachariah15047 жыл бұрын
Ride with Sam ya that's normal RE norms while servicing.. I meant for this hard break in method how many times we have to change the oil
@theeastman91365 жыл бұрын
Very good suggestion! I'm an old rider now but when I was a young guy in the late sixties, I knew a great Harley mechanic and racer. He was into Sportsters which also vibrated a lot. His motto was: "Break 'em in slow, they'll be slow; break 'em in fast and they'll go like hell". his break-in technique was very similar to yours; his bikes vibrated little and they did go like hell.
@daddu19834 жыл бұрын
What was his break in techniques, kindly share
@theeastman91364 жыл бұрын
Dinesh Kukreti Basically, you go slowly through the first 500 km until your first oil change. After a good engine flush (I use kerosene) and fresh oil is when you bring the bike to higher revs in short spurts which you make gradually longer. The point is to condition the motor early to higher regimes so that it may go there smoothly when you need it to. For some reason or reasons, this makes the motor faster and smoother.
@mikeyerke39207 жыл бұрын
I just did the first service on my RE and to be honest, the vibrations really aren't that bad. They were at first, but my break in, excuse me, run in, was on and off of the throttle constantly and not really paying strict attention to staying under the recommended road speeds. If I went a little over the recommended speed it was only by a small amount. I'm pleased with the results! Another great video too Paul!
@jeffslade18927 жыл бұрын
Running-in does not end at 300miles (which is oil/filter change) nor at 600miles but probably 1200miles. I had two filters and four oil changes during that period, until the oil stayed clean. This is worth doing to examine the oil for metal bits; a fair bit of grey muck will come out and you don't want it to stay in the engine; it's not in the book of words. From 600 to 1200 we're stretching its legs but from 1200 we can start taking it way up the revs, not all at once but a little more each time. This is probably boring to anyone used to a modern bike where you jump on them and ride the snot out of them but it is worth doing.
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Mike Yerke. yes the initial 500km run in period is definitely one i was glad to get out of the way, short shifting and sticking to 60kph 😎
@vikasupadhyay13985 жыл бұрын
So Paul ..thank you for an informative video..I could see that you were able to maintain speed in the range of 100 to 110 km / hr was it easy .or the engine felt too stressed ? How much of a comfortable top speed is it able to do after the bike is properly run in?
@motechRevolution5 жыл бұрын
vikas upadhyay . Top speed is around 140 but that’s right at the end of its range. 120 kph is the top comfortable speed of the 500 classic. All singles are buzzy though. The engine copes well long term cruising at up to 120. Nearer 140 the bike feels unstable especially in wind.
@vikasupadhyay13985 жыл бұрын
@@motechRevolution Thanks Paul..that is more than my expectation Actually the interceptor had me confused between the classic 500 n interceptor ..I love classic ,it has charm n character and not to mention the looks but people say interceptor too has a character and also refinement ..in India the price difference isn't much but I doubt if I buy I interceptor I may always have a regret for leaving out the classic
@savecolaclibrarynow4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like this running in method pays dividends but I would think about having rubber put between the engine and the frame and on the handle bar mounts as this would kill off much of the vibration. I love the Classic 500 and the interceptor too, but the Interceptor being a twin would be better re vibration hence lean toward it but I really love the old School look of the Classic 500!
@bradhey7 жыл бұрын
Sweet sounding bike....The engine is super nice
@angiefav18474 жыл бұрын
Hello to all, great video thanks for information yes l think that would work l have the military model 500 classic with sidecar attached military style set up l have put 3000k on the bike since new l can honestly say it smoothed out. Was it the extra weight because of sidecar and sometimes a passenger who knows but it's smooth enough to be a very pleasant bike to ride l am pleased with it l did run it hard up hills holding it in a lower gear because of extra weight but the bike does a great job short runs with wife to favourite coffee shop smooooth cheers
@WDF0057 жыл бұрын
hey.can you plz upload what all modification you did to to reduce vibration 👍👍
@daddu19834 жыл бұрын
He did nothing, only rides it in every gear above 5000 RPM. That means before changing from 2 to 3rd the RPM should reach 5000 and so On, but in India mileage and if silencer changed than sound would be issue. Be careful
@Tigers1856 жыл бұрын
increase the crankshaft weight 9.5kg to 10.5 kg its reduce the engine vibration up to 80%
@highdownmartin6 жыл бұрын
Can't affect overall balance of the engine surely? Vibes are worn bearings or dynamic forces, not a glazed bore
@ankitsaurav5596 жыл бұрын
Great work Paul.. You talked about classic 500 I recently bought a clsasic 350. Could you suggest me the speed limits for every gear during the hard break in process for a 350 cc engine? Also, how long am I supposed to continue with this?
@samzero00james7 жыл бұрын
You are such a genius. thank you kindly good sir!! Hope to learn more from you in the days to come!!
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
James Samuel . cheers thanks for commenting 👍
@roadstuffstyle69997 жыл бұрын
Paul,just to kick off doubts!! the oil your RE uses ,mineral or synthetic???
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Marcelo Castanheria fully synthetic, better all round
@irishirish48023 жыл бұрын
Hai,I’m having RE classic 350 2017 model lately my motorcycle vibrates lot only at 80kmph,below 80kmph lesser vibration beyon 80kmph lesser vibration...what could be the reason..can you please help me with
@joelmichels55647 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip. Classic 500 Blue Lagoon 2017 Euro-4 spec here. During break-in , after 20 km I could not stick with 60 kph, Driving 70-80 kph most of the time without putting too much load on the engine. Usually accelerating smoothly, since the moment i got 150 km on the odo i started to push the engine fo very short moments (10 secs or so) now i have 600 km on the odo. There are indeed vibrations but not at the point that my fingers get numb. Maybe off topic, but One thing I would like the know from RE owners: When accelerating I have a metallic noise "tak tak tak" in any gear. When cruising the engine is super smooth , no noise, only when accelerating the tractor-like "tak tak tak " noise returns. It's not disturbing, I guess this is normal for a big thumper, - just to be sure if this noise is normal or if a visit at the dealer is necessary Thanks! Joel
@udithuday17147 жыл бұрын
Joel Michels its completely normal,the tak tak sound comes from the autodecompressor
@jayrad81397 жыл бұрын
Joel Michels its normal
@sniper97867 жыл бұрын
it's the autodecompressor mechanism
@jeffslade18926 жыл бұрын
Do not call it 'break-in' - that implies something harsh or broken, when running-in is supposed to be gentle and gradual. A loud metallic tak-tak under acceleration is most likely exhaust leak at the flange, they do that when the nuts need tightening and/or the gasket replaced; the cement biscuit gasket is patently useless. Under hard acceleration you should get a loud WHUMP-WHUMP beat from the exhaust note, becoming a pleasant howling roar as the revs increase. This may give you an idea what I'm blithering about although the sound is poor and the jelly-wobble is down to the cheap GoPro's 'rolling shutter'. A 'smoulder' is a slow burn up (eat lunch, read newspaper), the road is not as straight as the camera depicts and I can see more hazards than the camera can - kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHe9gaScaNZ8aa8
@nideeshpp98136 жыл бұрын
Sir carberry vibration reduce plate will reduce the vibration ? Buying it will worth? Plz give Ur suggestions
@rodrigooliverosona22495 жыл бұрын
Hi there! You got a bew subscriber! Im from spain and there just a couple of RE here... Glad to see another one! So your advice is to run the bike over the revs for 2 minutes, many times? Doesnt ir matter the speed right, just the revs got to be higher than nornal? (Im spanish so i dont know how to say that) Looking forward hearing from you!
@6thai5 жыл бұрын
buying a Enfield pegasus this week. Where are the links to the method you have referred in comments?
@psrv977 жыл бұрын
Excellent tips. but is it safe for the bike and does your bike engine last long?
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Raghu Vamshi The rev limiter is designed to protect the engine, I only did this in short bursts so throttle on hard then off again at high revs as Jeff said in some of the comments he only did it after 1000km. I did short blasts from 500km but had changed the oil to fully synthetic. After 1000km you can increase the burst lengths. Once I got to 1500km my bike would touch 140km if needed. I am not a fan of riding flat out on Motorways so my primary reason for a 'hard run in' was to reduce vibrations through out the rev range. which it has done. Again do other RE forum research and try at your own risk. Fully synthetic oil also calms the engine down vastly from mineral oil.
@psrv977 жыл бұрын
excellent. Thank you paul. You must be an experienced rider? you have any blogs or Instagram page?
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Raghu Vamshi. Cheers yes instagram (Paulinvite) and yes I have been riding 39 years
@psrv977 жыл бұрын
That's amazing. wow Glad for you comments and tips sir. will catch up on insta.
@SyedNizamudeen7 жыл бұрын
Is 'periodically' you refer is once in a week or twice in a week?? Or a different schedule?? (pushing it to the rev limiter on 2nd,3rd and 4th)
@prasathind7 жыл бұрын
Hey Paul. I'm about to buy a classic 500 stealth black. I will surely use your maneuver to eliminate the vibration. But I would like to know when should I be doing this maneuver. Because, when they give the motorcycle for delivery, they actually insist us to not exceed rev limit or to ride it at a higher RPM. Is there any running period for this 500 cc engine before using the maneuver to eliminate vibration?
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Prasath Venkatapathy Raja . Hi, it’s entirely up to you, I waited until after the 500km mark. Read the link I attached in the comments and then make your mind up. I am convinced it works but there are lots of people who don’t agree. I hard revved mine through the gears from 500 to 1000km in short bursts
@prasathind7 жыл бұрын
Paul Grocock thanks Paul. You have a good one.
@sandykahlon6 жыл бұрын
My head seal got leaked. I did that un knowingly. I always thought why bike feels so light and smooth after the hard casual fast run around town. Or to get max Top speed out of it. I use too stretch every gare to its limits learned to switch just(from voice) before miss till the last. At 110-120 Bike still sound like need one more gare.
@ballforlife3607 жыл бұрын
Method worked for me!! Did this on a 2016 standard 500
@johnrocker29867 жыл бұрын
I agree with your method, nearly all the guys I know run in slowly and cautiously and guess what, there bikes vibrate! Do you know if Enfield use synthetic oil or mineral oil. I ask as synthetic appears to glaze bores if used in a new engine, that is unless its a racing engine which never gets run in.
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
john rocker . They use mineral oil if you go by the book. I use semi synthetic, fully synthetic can cause problems with a unit construction engine and wet clutch.
@Dwainpipe216 жыл бұрын
Paul Grocock almost all bikes use a unit construction engine and wet clutch, they work just fine on fully synth oil and in many cases specify only fully synthetic oil.It only causes problems if you use non motorcycle specific car type oil which has to many additives in which can cause problems with the wet clutch on a motorcycle.
@pavanth7 жыл бұрын
Hey Paul, excellent video. Too bad I've found it a bit late, not too late I hope. My bike (Classic 500) has run 2500km so far, and I've been handling it like a flower so far (strictly following the run-in instructions as per the manual, no sudden revs whatsoever). Nasty vibrations, I get from the bike on low and high rpm ranges. Can I try this now to rectify the bar end vibrations? Or is it too late?
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Pavanth Sukumar .I would think you are good to try it, although your bike is effectively run in, it might help, regards Paul
@pavanth7 жыл бұрын
Paul Grocock, thank you. I will update after trying it out. Can you please give me the approx max speeds in kmph that you rode in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears?
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Pavanth Sukumar hi, yes around 60, 80 and 110 in second and third the Rev limiter will cut the engine for a split second if you rev to high, short bursts don’t do it for long periods
@pavanth7 жыл бұрын
Paul Grocock Thank you, this has been very helpful. Happy riding!
@rajethzachariah15047 жыл бұрын
Paul Grocock how many cycles of this should be repeated? I mean how many times and in what interval between cycles should I do
@sniper97867 жыл бұрын
Mr. Paul I have a 500 as well but it has run 16,700 Kilometers but the vibrations are still present and I'm very unhappy.... what should I do? any help will be greatly appreciated.
@sumitbhasin87157 жыл бұрын
AJ Othwal u can use custom handle bars they reduce vib upto 60-70. %
@sniper97866 жыл бұрын
this is not the answer I'm looking for
@hagarthehorrible13916 жыл бұрын
Paul, just finished my first service after 500kms today. Plan to take it out and try this this watching it now. After you revved the hike in each of the gears, what was the top speed you maintained? Rev it in 2,3,4 gears and then back off and ride steadily and repeat it intermittently? Much thanks.
@motechRevolution6 жыл бұрын
Pradhyumna Gupta . Hi yes short bursts, if you hit the rev limiter in 2nd and 3rd don't worry. In 4th you can rev it high. Then take it steady in 5th for a while. Then repeat.
@hagarthehorrible13916 жыл бұрын
Paul Grocock Paul just did my first attempt of the hard run in. What top speed did you maintain from 500-1000 Kms and when did you start opening up the throttle and go to 100+ speeds? Cheers, Pradhyumna
@motechRevolution6 жыл бұрын
Pradhyumna Gupta . Take it to 100kph in 4th hold it for a few seconds then into 5th. Once you are over 1000kms it will cruise easily at 120+
@hagarthehorrible13916 жыл бұрын
Paul Grocock thank you!
@hagarthehorrible13916 жыл бұрын
Paul Grocock Paul, tried this method and now I am at 900 kms on the odo. Vibrations have actually increased. Did you experience the same? I probably need to the oilc changed now.
@rvanoop6 жыл бұрын
Sweetest bullet sound I ever heard.That itself tells the story...
@rvanoop6 жыл бұрын
1.51 sounds pure bliss😍😍😍
@rvanoop6 жыл бұрын
Sir,any specific reason for choosing Classic model?I am also looking forward to own one.Lot of sites I am coming across negative reviews telling that it is overpriced and outdated and a good vibrator and also having maintenance issues.Your advice will be invaluable.Please guide....
@jeffslade18926 жыл бұрын
Although the exhaust on mine will frighten persons of a nervous disposition, the 3+yo engine itself ticks like a swiss watch and there is no uncomfortable vibration. It thuds like a big single should, like a live beast. It's a retro, is that outdated, it looks somewhat like the 1955 model Bullet-500 but with some very modern components. I maintain my own bikes, reliability has been good with only minor issues easily fixed, mostly loose electrical connectors. It handles well and sticks to the road well and is very easy to ride. One enjoys the ride and the scenery more than on other bikes. The current other bike is a Moto Guzzi, quicker but not as relaxing to ride. The Guzzi handles well, they always do, but the Enfield has better suspension and can turn on a sixpence. It's no crotch rocket but it is great fun to ride. And that's the main reason for buying one - they're great fun to ride.
@adityabhagat78847 жыл бұрын
I did this to my Continental GT. And the crankshaft bearing started to make knocking noises. Eventually had the while crank assembly con-rod replaced under warranty. Any idea what caused that? Typical usage is a 22km daily drive to work and again 22kms back home with moderate traffic on the way to work and empty streets back home. Have been told fully synth oil is not good for wet clutch. What do you think?
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Aditya Bhagat . Lots of people swear by fully synthetic. The trouble is it is very slippery and could potentially affect wet clutch plate assemblies. The problem as well is some are designed for diesel and petrol car engines not bikes. I am now using castrol power 1 15w 50 semi synthetic. It's specifically made for performance bikes. One of the reasons I waited until after 500km to start opening my bike up was oil contamination can wear bearing shells. Even with severe use bearing shells should hold up in clean oil. How many KM was on your bike when the main bearing failed ?
@adityabhagat78847 жыл бұрын
11000kms only when my baby's engine was opened up
@adjsdj857 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul. Thanks for the video. I'm planning on doing the hard break ins on my classic 500 in few days. My bike is on 100km now. To be clear, I want to go 60kmph on 2nd gear, 90kmph on 3rd, and 120kmph on 4th, correct?
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Adj Sdj. I would go 50, 80, 110 untill you get over 500km Do it in short bursts as soon as you hit 110 put it in 5th and slow down to under 80 repeat but give the bike a rest between bursts. I waited until I had 500km on my bike as per Royal Enfield run in instructions before opening her up. It's up to you but if you start hard run in now change your oil after a couple of hundred KMs.
@adjsdj857 жыл бұрын
Paul Grocock Im going on a trip around 300km tomorrow. Added to the existing 100 it would be about 400km on my speedometer by the end of the week. Think I will wait till 500 to do the hard in. Thanks for the reply Paul. Greetings from Jakarta.
@arjunjadin7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info.... But bit late... Can this method used for bullet after 5000 km and 10000 km... Or any other method to reduce the vibrations....
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
It’s worth a try, someone else reported it made a difference on a bike with more KMs than that.
@arjunjadin7 жыл бұрын
Paul Grocock i hav tried this method when bought the bullet but tried only one time at 1000kms...should i repeat the method after 10000kms...is it worth...?
@amrishpatel67446 жыл бұрын
Hi Mr. Paul, I am little bit confused. The method suggested by you is best between 0 to 500 kms or after first 500 kms running in as mentioned in manual ? Please advise.
@motechRevolution6 жыл бұрын
Amrish Patel . I used the method after the initial 500km, however the link from the American website suggests from new. I would keep it to 60kph for the first 500, but it's up to the individual
@amrishpatel67446 жыл бұрын
Paul Grocock Thanks for the advice.
@prembibli6 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, I couldn’t find the link to the article you had referred on the video and on your responses. Could you kindly share it with me. I became a proud owner of Classic 500 (Chennai, India) yesterday and stepped into KZbin for tips and recommendations on vibration problem.
Hey Paul! Sounds interesting this method.... how many km's do you have on your bike so far? I've got 25000 on mine, but it still buzzes at over 100 km/h.
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Matei Buta, Hi, thanks for commenting, my bike has close to 3000k on it now. It is a type of run in that needs to be done early on for best results. I have put a link down in the comments to an article from the US regarding running in in general. To be honest I was nervous of trying it myself, but it worked great on my bike, oil came out not too dirty at my second change around 1000km. My reason for trying was parts loosening and severe vibrations at the grips and foot pegs, practically nothing now, pulls like a train up to 140kph max. Although I generally hardly ever go over around 110kph.
@mateiKTM7 жыл бұрын
interesting... i must admit, mine has also softened after the run in. but i'd never dare push it to 140. cruising @ 100 ok, maybe 110 in overtake. but i still feel some vibration even after 25 000 km I'm curios to see if this kind of run in will have any effect in the long run. Planning a 10k km trip this summer, hope all will be well in the engine ;)
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
I would your bike would be fine on a 10k trip I would do a full oil change before preferably with synthetic oil. That way if you cannot do another midway the oil should hold up well
@Annutron5 жыл бұрын
Which silencer are you using
@motechRevolution5 жыл бұрын
Stock. Factory fitted
@roverchap6 жыл бұрын
I watched this with interest. I can see that your bike seems to have much less vibration than you'd expect - the mirrors are clear at speed. However I am struggling with the science behind the hard run-in and its effect on vibrations. It would be interesting to have a comment from a mechanical engineer. As far as I know vibration is the result of reciprocating forces - a mass accelerating in one direction, slowing and stopping, and then accelerating again in the opposite direction. A 500cc piston with a long stroke is creating a lot of reciprocating force which is only countered by the flywheel, and so vibration is to be expected. The tightness of the piston/bore clearances I would have thought to be only of minor significance? Not doubting your experience, just puzzling with the explanation! Thanks for the enjoyable videos
@motechRevolution6 жыл бұрын
Rory McLoughlin . Hi Rory, the explanation I have been given is that RE engines are not run in on the bench, could be totally wrong, most modern engines are pre run in. The article in the comments pretty much covers the logic behind the method.
Paul, My classic 350 has already run 11k kms. Can I follow your method of short bursts high revs now to smoothen out vibrations?
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Hi Robert, the idea is that it is done from new. still probably worth a try even if it just clears any carbon build up in the head. Most people short shift their REs when the engine note dictates however the 500 will do 60kph in second 90 in third and 120 in 4th this is the top end of its rev range before it hits the auto limiter. Obviously adjust this for the 350 model. Try it a few times and see if it helps.
@petersattler34543 жыл бұрын
I almost bought a classic 500 then rode my friends Enfield. Thank god I did. Bought a Benelli instead.
@dheerajkumar-jj5nz7 жыл бұрын
Sir I use Motul semi synthetic oil What is the service intervals of this oil.
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
dheeraj kumar. I would change every 6000km or for bikes not covering that per year every 12 months
@codybrookehanson23464 жыл бұрын
My KLR 650 mirrors shook more than this. Thats pretty smooth.
@solstar47787 жыл бұрын
what exactly did you do ? a breakend only? is that all?
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
sol star . Read the mototuneusa link below you will better understand then.
@akshaydalal7696 жыл бұрын
Paul interesting video, can you please make a review of Thunderbird 350x and 500x series?
@motechRevolution6 жыл бұрын
akshay D . I would love too. But in Europe we only have the 500 classic and standard 500 bullet, along with the GT and recently the Himalayan
@akshaydalal7696 жыл бұрын
Paul any idea about carberry vibration reduction plate ? does it work or it is just a spoof?
@motechRevolution6 жыл бұрын
akshay D. I haven’t rode a bike with one fitted, but it’s the technology used on most other singles to keep vibrations down. It’s surprising that RE don’t implement it as a stock item.
@akshaydalal7696 жыл бұрын
Paul Grocock here in India RE has popularity just because of it's legacy and brand name. RE manufacturers stubborn to do any changes albeit, there are many pitfalls as a manufacturing defects. As long as they have blind followers and sells are up they will not implement new technology in it.
@rkkumar47697 жыл бұрын
sir what have you done to reduce vibrations
@arildsolemdal69663 жыл бұрын
He tells it all in the video.
@vjndrashz7 жыл бұрын
@ Paul Grocock (asking u all this as u have an experience of 39yrs as u said in the comments). Hello Paul is RE 350 a good bike? I am thinking if buying one for me. I currently own a 200cc motor bike (TVS Apache RTR 200 4V). But i am quiet bored with the bike so thinking of upgrading to Classic 350(Redditch Edition). So pls guide me and tell me about the maintenance cost of 350 classic. And I hear this vibration vibration all the time...are those vibrations that much that u will not enjoy the bike? Does it cause fatigue? And does Classic 350 cause back pain to riders? Bcoz I am 6ft tall. Many people say its posture is upright so it is not comfortable in city traffic. Pls let me know sir.... Thanks!
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Vijayendra Shastri . The 500 is more powerful, it all depends on your needs. Both the 350 and 500 UCE bikes are reliable and long lasting with proper maintenance
@gk280235 жыл бұрын
Sir my classic 350 bike handlebar pulling to right side. How to rectified the problem
@fauzansadikin37775 жыл бұрын
Me too, it's been 1 year without solution why???
@allenmendez40987 жыл бұрын
Hi, Mr. Paul, can you suggest a way to reduce vibrations in classic 350. my bike has reached almost 19000 kms.
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Allen Mendez , HI Allen, I would try a fully synthetic oil as you have covered nearly 20k, the hard run in method probably won’t work.
@allenmendez40987 жыл бұрын
I'm already using a fully synthetic one and still, it has a nasty vibration. Will boring the engine and increasing the crank weight help?
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Allen Mendez . A rebore and run in as described I the mototuneusa link above should work.
@nks10244 жыл бұрын
@@allenmendez4098 bro did u followed the instruction of the re manual as accordingly during initial break in??
@tigermothe6 жыл бұрын
On what planet does a Royal Enfield not vibrate, it isn't this one! With out harmonic balancing to quell some of the energy of that big piston going up and down, means it will vibrate. Soft breakin or hard does not trump those forces.
@sivat9797 жыл бұрын
What you changed for controlling vibrations
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Siva Teja. A hard run in for the engine. it involves high revs in 2nd 3rd and 4th during early run in. Lots of people do not advocate it. But it quickly seats and beds in the piston and the pot from factory machining. It can lead to better power output and less vibration. There is a link lower in the comments to an article about hard engine run.
@staycurious59826 жыл бұрын
Nice video sir.....
@sirgalah5613 жыл бұрын
So many videos state a 500 classic wont do more than 100kph.. Well then.. You've proven them all wrong.. Ill be pickung up my first RE 500C in three days... Running in without a tacho is going to be interesting..
@motechRevolution3 жыл бұрын
I have the Himalayan now, and too be honest it’s smoother, but the 500 classic was quicker overall. Thanks for the comment enjoy your bike and stay safe.
@fifthwheelkeepsonturnin5wk3846 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul Great vlog, I am just about to take delivery of a royal enfiel d despatch 2016 with 2000 miles. If the bike vibrates is this method still doable to get results. Cheers Al
@motechRevolution6 жыл бұрын
Fifth Wheel keeps on turnin’ 5W KOT . Certainly worth trying, have fun with your bike. 😎
@pawanrai59537 жыл бұрын
my RE350 run about 700km now . what should I change on my bike to reduce the vibrations sir please help me out.
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Hi look at part 2 in my other videos and read the article linked below in the comments. Basically rev it hard in 2nd 3rd and 4th intermittently for the next 500km
@jayneel157 жыл бұрын
Paul Grocock so is this bursts of hard revving a one time thing or should be done every few hundred kilometres? Also, whats the average duration per burst before moving to higher gear? 5-10 seconds? Do you decelerate each time you burst or collectively do it after the final burst in 4th/5th gear?
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
jayneel15 . Do it every day until you have covered another 500km it only need 5 minutes a day
@jayneel157 жыл бұрын
Paul Grocock cool. thanks a lot. i did it for a few mins today and the engine softened a lil. its a classic 350 with bore widening and a 380cc cylinder, so its as good as new. 700km on odo post the change so far.
@sam1950277 жыл бұрын
Pawan Rai hai i have 350cc bs4 model i did this after 150 km on my bike almost there is no vibration till 140 and plz do it carefully i do this on open highways not on city
@myselfcrazy90315 жыл бұрын
Hello... Just yesterday I got my re signals 350cc..I don't really understand the video..can any one put it in a simple words...how can vibration be reduced ?
@PravinPatil-zj9tq7 жыл бұрын
sir can u plz help with the tappet sound issue it is very much irritating kindly help
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Pravin Patil. Might be worth checking the valve clearance and also the oil level
@NoorKhan-il4yt7 жыл бұрын
it's sound tough sir ,,,, but I will do it on my bike
@NoorKhan-il4yt7 жыл бұрын
what is 5000rpm how will I know it on bike sir ?
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Noor Khan in 2nd and 3rd you will hit the rev limiter around 5400 rpm and the engine for a split second will blip look at the Speedo when it cuts the revs in 2nd and 3rd and just stay under that. do it in short bursts in 2nd and 3rd it should do 120kph in 4th. don't be tempted to change at 100kph in to 5th hold it in 4th at 120 for 10 seconds or so then move to 5th and cruise at 120
@jonathpeters5 жыл бұрын
Nice
@EuFaloDeCarro7 жыл бұрын
Nice tip
@thewanderer32827 жыл бұрын
do RE classics come with ABS and Rear Disc there?
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Heramb Karmarkar. From 2017 yes. The BS4 model. The 2016 model is identical but has a rear drum brake and no ABS
@thewanderer32827 жыл бұрын
+Paul Grocock that's such a bonus 😂. I have a 2016 classic 500 efi. I just wish they rolled out the ABS and disk in India soon.
@malcolmmathers26907 жыл бұрын
it sounds dodgy to me engine vibration comes from crankshaft not piston doing what your doin you mite get less vibes but your probly halving your engine life
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Most engines are hard run in on the bench to high revs. Hence with some cars no run in is required. If you read the attached link from a US race motor tuner it's well explained. Again it's up to the individual if they want to try it.
@andersnilsson13177 жыл бұрын
At 5:15 you mean seconds, not minutes? Right?
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Yes possibly, a couple of minutes is a long time although you need more than a few seconds, in the lower gears on my bike I always hit the Rev limiter then changed up I would hold in 4th at just under 120kph for maybe 10 to 20 seconds instinct will guide you. Short sustained bursts through the gears plus plenty of oil changes with semi synthetic at 1000km. Thanks for the comment 😎✌🏻
@akshayraj17586 жыл бұрын
Can I do this method on a 350 classic
@motechRevolution6 жыл бұрын
akshay raj . I cannot see why not if it's a Aluminium UCE motor.
@akshayraj17586 жыл бұрын
Paul Grocock thank you very much sir 😍
@sectarypb29227 жыл бұрын
Pls can you make video on rpm pls
@sreejithkm1667 жыл бұрын
What about the classic 350
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
It should work with any bike. Although some bike manufacturers bench run in their engines.
@ianfluker53797 жыл бұрын
_Sans_ gloves *and* no jacket! I'll grant you're in Spain, but it's really no excuse.
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Ian Fluker I know you're right my jacket and gloves were on the back of the bike under a cargo net. I had worn them in the morning but it was just to hot especially on an air cooled bike. To be honest bike accidents in Spain are low. Nobody canes their bikes here. In fact I cannot see the point in owning a R1 etc if you ride round in shorts and flip flops. Southern Spain is like California, I agree gloves boots helmet and jeans are a must. ( they don't even wear helmets in the country side) California police a good example. Always in short sleeves in Summer. Although I have ridden for 39 years I do thing the majority of bikers in the UK are crazy riders.
@ianfluker53797 жыл бұрын
At about 4:05 you mention head winds-I'd forgotten about head winds, especially the cold variety! They can be quite wearing. Anyway, thanks for the video.
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Ian Fluker. Normally I don't notice a lot of wind in Spain but that day it was like night and day going either way. Into the wind it was not enjoyable, coming back it was flying up the inclines without any blast in the face
@emiliomed7 жыл бұрын
hi, is it possible to eliminate 100% vibrations?
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Emilio . Hi Emilio, not sure if it's possible to eliminate vibrations to.100% but I can say with all honesty that my RE is not much different to most 500cc singles after run in
@jeffslade18927 жыл бұрын
No :)
@WDF0057 жыл бұрын
Paul Grocock hey can you plz show what and all modification you did on the bike👍👍
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Emilio . The method is well documented on different forums and relates to the running in progress after the initial 500km after the first 500k repeatedly take the bike in 2nd 3rd and 4th up to 5000 rpm the bike will go through the rough growl and vibrations to what feels like a power band in the high rev range. With this method the piston will bed in reducing vibrations. As I said in the video it's up to the individual to take it upon themselves regarding any possible risk to try this method during running in.
@jeffslade18927 жыл бұрын
IMO only start revving it up after *1000km*, after the second stage of running in (per Owners Manual), and slowly gradually working up to 5500rpm rev limiter. There appears to be a tight spot around 4800rpm to eliminate. Max torque is 4000rpm and max power is 5250, the engine should operate very smoothly between these two. If the engine feels tight whilst you are stretching its legs, back off and don't force the issue - next time it will go a bit further. Doing it this way is by-the-book and won't void the warranty. After 1000km the book says, "avoid prolonged full throttle operation", which is sensible
@TheAxe5047 жыл бұрын
Its not working sir! ive tried everything .Royal enfield is outdated
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
An excellent article I read the other day. www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
@solstar47787 жыл бұрын
Not comming up justa like/dislike link
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
sol star . www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
@rajethzachariah15047 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the dumb question but how do you know you hit the Rev limiter. Is there an indicator? Or the engine will prevent further revving and we can feel That?
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Rajeth Zachariah . The engine will cut when it hits the limiter it’s only momentarily but you will feel it, just change up a gear.
@rajethzachariah15047 жыл бұрын
Paul Grocock I'm waiting fory Classic 350 Redditch edition.. I read somewhere that Classic 350 doesn't have a rev limiter so I guess it will be risky for me to do this method of break in without a rev limiter but I want to do this badly :(
@gunnyhartman27 жыл бұрын
Gloves? leather jacket?....
@motechRevolution7 жыл бұрын
Paul Hampton. Lol I had boots on in 30c most guys here are in shorts and flip flops.
@sdqsdq62747 жыл бұрын
lol same here, super hot .... lets not mention sitting on a hot engine
@AxelS6 жыл бұрын
Are you her mother ?
@solstar47787 жыл бұрын
Sorry dosent help!
@ShadowSanctuaryMusic3 жыл бұрын
4.40
@motechRevolution3 жыл бұрын
just re watched it, yep some wobble on the clutch lever however this is wind buffer. the levers are a little loose on the RE when not under tension. well spotted though
@ShadowSanctuaryMusic3 жыл бұрын
@@motechRevolution Oh thanks for the reply Paul. Was actually just highlighting the time when you spilled the beans on how to fix the vibes, if people wanted to jump to it. Interesting video, think my GT535 I just picked up might be a bit long in the tooth for this though. Nearly 9k miles on the clock. Going to try the loosening and re-torquing the engine bolts technique :)
@John-pe7ru4 жыл бұрын
Trump is that you hahahaha
@jojn54335 жыл бұрын
This is a bike too have in garage, Haha , looks bad, same as for 100 years ago when he first come. Is only that now is with ABS😁